Yeah, if I had Jewish blood in me I would be sort of proud of the phrase Jewed as well. Oh wait, I do and I'm not. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
Anyway, I know you're a good guy Grouchy but your bolded line of thinking is a slippery slope.
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Yeah, if I had Jewish blood in me I would be sort of proud of the phrase Jewed as well. Oh wait, I do and I'm not. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
Anyway, I know you're a good guy Grouchy but your bolded line of thinking is a slippery slope.
Yeah, what? It's a slur that paints an entire people as born thieves. Why would anyone be proud of that? They're not saying you're clever. Or good at it. They're saying you're a scumbag. A petty criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
I think in practice (at least when I was a kid) it was used as a slur. It was a way to imply that someone is less than generous. If you're making a trade, you make a trade, but if you're giving a gift, it is dishonorable to expect something back in return. That's RECESS LAW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
So, despite the history, the way it played out was "You're greedy like an Indian!"
Right. I think of it similarly to use of the word "retarded". By strict definitions, "mentally retarded" is not an inaccurate way to describe someone with a low IQ or learning disability. But it slowly morphed into common vernacular to use "retarded" to mean "stupid" or "dumb". It's now a way to insult someone by equating them with the mentally handicapped. Hence, why people take offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara
The other thing about that is that, contrary to popular depictions, only a portion of mentally retarded people are actually unintelligent. They're just all famously perceived that way. So when someone is being dumb and you call them retarded, it is akin to someone trying to haggle money and you saying, "You're such a Jew."Quote:
Originally Posted by amberlita
On a related note, my biggest pet peeve about political correctness is the way people misunderstand what it's for. The whole idea of being PC is that you don't want to offend people. If you don't care for that, then you're absolutely free to not use PC terms, everyone has their own priorities. But it's really stupid to then whine about people being offended by you. "People should not be offended by offensive words" is a total oxymoron. I'm constantly baffled by folks (mostly bloggers/internet writers) who proudly declare themselves not PC, then when they receive backlash, go on the defensive and write these explanations on why they have the right to say what they want. WTF? You always had the right to say whatever the fuck you want. What you don't have is the right to be protected from people calling you a douchebag based on things you say, which probably do make you a douchebag. I mean, honestly.
The last one really set it off for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GeZXH263RM#t=34
Dating advice:
For all you carnivores out there, could you be in a relationship with a vegan? Like a really strict one. It hasn't really bothered me yet. Has anyone dated (or dating) a vegan? It is just a lifestyle you can look past and have they tried to convert you at all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBP0Mbc7VFw
As always, Watashi, the answers to all of life's questions can be found at the movies:
"Well, if you like burgers give 'em a try sometime. Me, I can't usually get 'em myself because my girlfriend's a vegetarian which pretty much makes me a vegetarian. But I do love the taste of a good burger."
Good luck! :P
That kind of thing obviously depends on the person, so I don't think there's a consensus. I think it's more than possible to have different meals than who you're dating, especially in a city like LA where you have vegan options fucking everywhere. Obviously if you live together and she's the cook of the house, then you'd be influenced, but that's the same with any dietary restrictions/allergies, or any other household restrictions, really.
As for converting... Personally, I've yet to meet a preachy vegan who isn't an annoying YouTube personality. I have, however, met many zealous meat-eaters who love making fun of vegetarians and go on and on about the magical properties of bacon.
Yeah, in a lot of ways it would depend on everyone's attitude. I have met vegans who will freak out if someone cooks/eats meat where they can smell it, don't want meat touching their plates, etc. That would be very hard to deal with.
On the other side, as 8 pointed out, if someone's being a jerk to the person who is vegan, that won't work either.
As long as both parties are mature and respectful of each other's choices, I would imagine it would be fine.
I am an admitted food snob and am pretty condescending to those who limit themselves one way or the other when it comes to food. I am an ass about it. I should be better, but I'm not. So, the answer for me is obvious. My wife is actually not a big foodie, so we do clash sometimes as well.
We got talking at work about the Crownsville hospital here in Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crownsv...ospital_Center or http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/f...41f741770.html) which was established with good intentions in the early part of the century to treat African Americans with mental illness but quickly deteriorated into an overcrowded, unhygienic torture chamber where patients were denied medications and forced into labor, as well as being the unwilling subject of medical experiments. An absurd number of patients died (up to 30% of the population.)
The hospital got turned around in the mid-sixties and did some good work before being shuttered in 2004.
Anyway, one lady at my work got a little snotty when she heard that a local committee is asking for a formal apology from the State of Maryland for the atrocities that went on at the hospital. She said, "There isn't any point when it all happened so long ago."
*sigh*
It never really turned around too well. It was always known for being pretty poor in terms of quality and care. There are numerous stories from friends of mine living in the Arden area who would see patients running about having escaped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara
A vegan would hate me and probably not date me. I love steak, chicken, burgers, brats, hot dogs....
Tell that woman that "Oh I guess the Pope should have never apologized for the Catholic Church having not helped the Jewish people during the Holocaust plus for having been responsible for the Spanish Inquisition" and just roll your eyes. I can't remember if the American government has ever said sorry for any of the horrible things they've done so I can't cite them as an example. That might be what she's basing her sorry ass argument on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara
Yes and she turned my lifestyle into hers (although at the time I was willing). Never again will I, be judged for what I choose to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watashi
I couldn't. That kind of vegan (the one who's HORRIFIED that you could eat a goddamn living creature) annoys me to no end. They're about the only people I delete on Facebook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watashi
And yes, I really know at least three examples IRL.
I was roommates with a strict moral vegan once. He had plenty of other problems ... narcissism, infidelity, a comical level of arrogance. I remember once asking him if he would eat meat if there were no animals involved, say, meat cloned/grown in a lab, and he was offended by the question. He liked to get offended a lot about the stupidest and most minute things. He once yelled at me for not washing his dishes. He lied to friends about my opinions of them.
We're not friends any more and I can't help but view moral vegans with some level of caution or contempt.
This guy is begging to be the antagonist on a show I would probably really like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spun Lepton
He was also a bit Machiavellian, so, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara
To be fair, she is not like that. She has no problem with me eating meat. I don't question her lifestyle and she doesn't question mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
Crowdsourced question:
What is the biggest lie you've ever closely experienced? (Either you told, someone told you, or happened between people you know personally? Not rumored or news articles.) I'm talking those huge, over-the-top lies that you cannot believe someone said, or someone believed, or someone lived with?