There are no words for how profoundly stupid this is.
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That's cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
It's gonna be way cooler when they pick a woman or minority to direct a picture that isn't specifically about women or minotities.
Also this shit:
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Originally Posted by Ezee E
No kidding. Mystique has been one of the main characters for the entire prequel trilogy, and Apocalypse is the most powerful mutant in the X-Men franchise. It made sense from a promotional standpoint. As much as I'm for gender equality in cinema, this is one of those times where social justice warriors are quick to judge and get outraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
I don't know who Mystique is and I think the ad looks pretty tacky and problematic in ｔhe way McGowan describes it. It's hard to imagine Hugh Jackman in her place, and even if he were, it'd read pretty differently, especially to people who don't X-Men.
Is it wrong my biggest takeaway with this is finding it kinda heartwarming that those up in arms are willing to look at a scale-y blue shape-shifter with lizard eyes and an millenniums-old omniscient Frankenstein's monster and simply see them as "people", especially enough for them to be alarmed at the potential parallels to real-world violence.
I mean, she mostly says her issues with it are rooted in how it could've been perceived if the character being choked was a racial or sexual minority, when it's pretty much common knowledge that mutants are used as an allegory for exactly that in X-Men world. Also it's pretty fucking obvious it's meant to make him look like the biggest possible villain of the situation.
It's a horrible billboard and Fox is right for apologizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy
I think there are much better images that could have been used to show Apocalypse's evil-ocity.
Wouldn't have mattered if it was Hugh Jackman or Justin Bieber getting choked out. It's a crappy billboard.
Whether or not Fox needed to apologize for it is beyond me, I just know that that poster was put up above my subway entrance so I have to walk towards it every morning and it didn't exactly feel good to see. The conveyed emotion for me as a dude is only mildly unsettling, but just thinking from a marketing standpoint I gotta wonder who thought that was the correct emotion to evoke when selling a superhero blockbuster.
My guess is they didn't think that much into how the image reads, and thought it was just a normal superhero fight scene image, which is exactly the problem. They didn't twig what Syco said, which is that they would have had second thoughts if they were putting a Hugh Jackman in that position, because that would be unusual and weird, since we don't have a history of male superheroes being used that way. But when it's using a woman to signify submission or threat, it's a dynamic we've all seen before and gotten used to and think isn't unusual and doesn't resist against. In fact, resistance reads as an overreaction. So of course it's self-perpetuating.
Heh. You can tell Anthony Mackie has no idea about the source material and the whole reason Captain Marvel is being made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqITVufdXYk
I just think only a mental midget could take issue with that. I mean, what's the percentage of countries where abortion is still illegal? 25%? Are you sure the arrangement of fucking X-Men fights on a movie poster is the issue you should be focusing on?
I guess the obvious answer to that is that it's a cultural problem and it's all related, yadda, yadda, yadda... I just don't see it. What number8 says about subdued male superheroes not being used in movie posters or comic covers to represent the power of a villain is simply not true. And besides, what are you gonna do, stop Mystique from fighting the bad guys to avoid upsetting morons? Shooting only scenes where she has the upper hand all the time? Isn't that sexism on itself?
Once in a while someone should grow a spine when these types of situations come out and outright refuse to apologize or remove anything from anywhere.
Nah it's true.
Also, there is no weaker argument against any oppression than saying there are worse oppression in the world. That's just deflecting.
Another pretty weak argument would be "It only looks offensive because you don't have enough insider knowledge to get it." If you just knew the X-men characters, you wouldn't have a problem with it!
Not going to say an image like that should never be in a movie. Of course not (that'd depend a lot on context). But it's a piss-poor choice as the image used in a billboard advertisement because it exploits dominant, egregious cultural patterns of gendered violence.
A muscly, armored, masculine-as-shit dude choking a woman with an apparently conventionally sexy female body (however blue of skin) with no exceptional visible strength and who appears to have no clothes on, accompanied by text about domination.
That's what I see. That's what more than a few people saw. And yeah, it makes me uncomfortable, and I'm a straight white dude.
The "sexist or not" argument aside, its a really strange choice of shot for a big promotional piece. Who is that marketing to? Apocalypse fans?
It's dumb. How does it demonstrate Apocalypse's superhuman strength that he is able to choke a woman whose only power is shapeshifting? The basic image might make sense if it was Thanos choking The Hulk or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skitch
Also, why are all the X-Men blue?
That was the most pressing question I had after my viewing last night. Think of a different color already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston*
Here is how it went down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skitch
Exec: Make sure Jennifer Lawrence is in it.
Marketing: OK
And that is pretty much all the thought that went into it.
Alan silvestri returns to score infinity war 1 and 2.
That's not my argument. My argument is that whoever considers this oppression of any rank must be a first world imbecile who knows nothing about the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by number8
There are plenty of examples, even famous ones, of promotional images with villains subduing or defeating male superheroes in comic books. The only reason there are barely any examples of it in superhero films is because of the general monotony of big budget advertising. I don't consider this X-Men: Apocalypse poster a magnificent work of art. But if you create this spurious outrage for strange reasons and force it to be taken out of the streets... What are we gonna get for every other superhero film? More photoshopped heads.
The new Wolverine movie could be titled "Weapon X".
Kinda cute when you consider (including Deadpool) that Weapon X would be the 10th X-Men movie.
Better than "X-Men X" anyway.... which kinda just looks like an old, decorated deviantART / MSN screen-name simple saying "men" in the middle of it.
Does that mean that it'll be following Logan from X-Men: Apocalypse who's still lacking his memories, and not the post-DOFP Logan who retains all continuity knowledge? 'Cause I'll feel just a bit cheated if we're suddenly no longer following the latter.
I think it'll be pretty standalone either way, with a well into the future, old man Logan. So as your question states them, at that point those Apocalypse and DoFP-ending Wolverines would be one in the same.
But in grander terms I think this is most closely a continuation The Wolverine's iteration of the character (with Mangold back, etc.), though disregard its post-credits scene that flimsily teases DoFP in a world/timing that otherwise doesn't really support it.
They say the story is going to follow the Old Man Logan story. Which takes place way in the future. So hopefully the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TGM
edit: oops. Henry responded.
omg Donald Glover cast in Spider-man: Homecoming.