You can't blame him though. Having a flood of people call you sexist a week after a flood of people call you oversensitive must be a weird feeling.
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You can't blame him though. Having a flood of people call you sexist a week after a flood of people call you oversensitive must be a weird feeling.
Also weird rumors he's been fired by Marvel -- but from what I understood, Ultron was his last project with them anyway?
I have no idea what's going on. I guess some people felt Whedon calling out other films was hypocritical given some content in Ultron. The whole situation is bizarre.
It also seems like all the principals involved in this movie are totally fried. I can't remember a bigger movie with such glaring publicity problems.
It's a social media catch-22, I think. He's someone who aligns himself with the progressive crowd, so he gets a lot of progressive followers, and whatever he says is covered extensively by progressive blogs, but in turn he gets a lot more visibility with them and is easier to scrutinize than celebrities you expect to be gross and therefore avoid. And, you know, he's a highly educated white dude from an upper-middle class family who grew up in a British boarding school. He's gonna say tonedeaf things about race, gender, and class once in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
He made a dumb joke on twitter a while back that how you write a good strong female character is to not write them having a penis. Well, a lot of his fans happen to be trans women who thought he was an ally, and did not appreciate that joke very much. It's that kind of stuff. He has a lot of feminist fans, who in turn are shocked by the rape joke in Ultron.
It's not easy to set high standards as a public figure because people will hold you to it and you'll most likely fall short.
IN other news, Civil War is filming, and I for one are more excited about this movie than Ultron.
Promo art- not sure why they bothered since this shot is basically ripped right from the comics.
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Understood. Yeh that rape joke combined with the slut comments by Renner probably didn't sit too well with a lot of people. Irish is right- in a movie franchise where you can almost not fail when it comes to MCU, this movie has a ton of bad press...Quote:
Originally Posted by number8
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by number8
I feel like I'm constantly being trolled by articles like: Tom Hardy want's to play Punisher.
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That's an out of the box choice for Spider-Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by number8
I haven't seen Ultron yet to know about the rape joke, but I've always felt the people who were upset at the adopted line in the first film were being a little silly.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
6 Directors on the short list to direct Spidey-
Jonathan Levine (Warm Bodies); Ted Melfi (St. Vincent); Jason Moore (Pitch Perfect); John Francis Daley and Jonathan M. Goldstein (Vacation); and Jared Hess (Napoleon Dynamite).
So they're going for quirky comedy tone?
We already have Wes Anderson's Spider-Man on YouTube.
Some of the reaction was overblown for sure, but the gag depends on adopted siblings being more easily disassociated than blood siblings, so I totally get why people reacted negatively. It's a trifling example of a sorta fucked up social perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8
I found it pretty benign compared to the tone-deaf scene with the Holocaust survivor. What the fuck was that even about?
The internet's dark side is that it just entitles any dumb fuck to talk shit about anyone for whatever reason. And, with Twitter, directly to that person.
Whedon just happens to be an excellent writer. I'm guessing none of the people trolling his account can say that about themselves. What right do they have to "scrutinize" any artist? If you don't like it or even feel *gasp* offended by his work, it's not like you're lacking other entertainment options.
I haven't seen Age of Ultron yet, by the way, but I doubt I'm going to be in the "offended" side.
I was thinking they were going more for a sentimental tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8
Honestly I took the line as more of a "don't worry, I'm not going to betray you" than a disassociative "he's not really part of my family" line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead & Messed Up
Either way I still think people showed far too much outrage over a throwaway, off colour line.
A rape joke sounds like a totally different animal. A little surprised at Whedon for that one (though again, still haven't seen it so not sure what it is exactly).
As a white cis male, I've gotta mansplain that it's pretty benign.Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8
I don't even remember the rape joke...
Regardless of the level of offensiveness of the rape joke, people threatening to curb stomp Whedon over it are psycho.
Stripped to its core, the joke is, "He's my brother" / "He's a killer" / "Well, I mean, he's just sort of my brother." The joke is at the expense of Thor's half-assed backpedal, but it assumes we as viewers recognize that adoptive ties are weaker than blood ties. I'd call it excusable depending on how far you're willing to dive in, since Thor's world would be down with old-school notions of bloodlines and demonstrable heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8
Again, don't think it's that big a deal, and I wasn't privy to the outrage - my general reaction to internet outrage is to ignore it.
Stark says that, if he can lift Mjolnir, he will establish Prima Nocta, the old Medieval tradition of rulers taking the virginity of peasant women before their wedding night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watashi
The joke is that he would suggest such a horrible thing, not that rape is funny, but it inevitably makes light of the practice through the context. Kinda how Renner's slut-shaming joke was meant to mock himself for being so callous but still kinda cops to the power of chastising sexually liberated women.
Here's Whedon on his departure from Twitter:
There's more to it than that, though. See the link for some additional thoughts and explanations.Quote:
When filmmaker Joss Whedon decided to delete his Twitter account on Monday, the day after his film Avengers: Age of Ultron scored the second-highest domestic opening weekend ever, it prompted a flurry of speculation about what, or who, might have driven him away. Whedon found one theory — that he left Twitter due to militant feminists angered over his depiction of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) in the film — particularly galling, so much so that he decided to break his silence.
“That is horseshit,” he told BuzzFeed News by phone on Tuesday. “Believe me, I have been attacked by militant feminists since I got on Twitter. That’s something I’m used to. Every breed of feminism is attacking every other breed, and every sub-section of liberalism is always busy attacking another sub-section of liberalism, because god forbid they should all band together and actually fight for the cause.
“I saw a lot of people say, ‘Well, the social justice warriors destroyed one of their own!’ It’s like, Nope. That didn’t happen,” he continued. “I saw someone tweet it’s because Feminist Frequency pissed on Avengers 2, which for all I know they may have. But literally the second person to write me to ask if I was OK when I dropped out was [Feminist Frequency founder] Anita [Sarkeesian].”
What did happen, Whedon said, is that he chose to embrace his longstanding desire post–Age of Ultron to reclaim his personal life and creative spark — and that meant saying goodbye to Twitter. “I just thought, Wait a minute, if I’m going to start writing again, I have to go to the quiet place,” he said. “And this is the least quiet place I’ve ever been in my life. … It’s like taking the bar exam at Coachella. It’s like, Um, I really need to concentrate on this! Guys! Can you all just… I have to… It’s super important for my law!”
"He's my brother" / "He's a killer" / "He's adopted"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead & Messed Up
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