genre aversion therapy

[lovejuice]

the idea is you post a genre (or a sub-genre) that is fairly low in your favorably list, and someone recommend you movies which should be able to cure you of the aversion.

for me, it's noir. perhaps because i'm a big fan of its sister genre, golden age mystery, aka whodunit, aka cozy. do people who're into noir really care about...well...whodunit? seem like in noir, the solution eventually present itself, and audiences/readers only have to wait for that moment while enjoying themselves with the decadence of our society and the act of manliness by the main character. oh, and femme fatale's presence. can't forget that.

[rocus]

See Dark City.

[lovejuice]

See Dark City.

that's my favorite movie, and i think of it as sci-fi more than noir.

any genre that you don't like?

[rocus]

I wouldn't really consider it a genre, but I'm not a fan of wire-fu movies. It just really takes me out of the movie when people are flying around on rooftops and fighting at the tops of trees.

But, as far as Dark City goes, it's a hybrid of noir and sci-fi, which is why I recommended it. If you don't like straight noir films, it might be something that's more modern but still has a lot of the same things we think of when we say "noir".

[Kurosawa Fan]

For noir, watch Rififi.

My genre would be fantasy.

[rocus]

My genre would be fantasy.Princess Bride. It has fencing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes, true love, miracles...

But I'm sure you've seen it already.

[SirNewt]

Well, noir films are usually a kind of modern tragedy. Trying to take fate out of the picture (he he), doesn't work.

Maybe try 'M'?

I tend to dislike contemporary comedies. They just lack any creativity as far as I'm concerned. Romantic ones today are just too doting and the rest are absurdity without any of the clever chicanery of Screwball.

BTW, 'Rififi' is amazng but it certainly plays to all the conventions of noir.

[D_Davis]

I wouldn't really consider it a genre, but I'm not a fan of wire-fu movies. It just really takes me out of the movie when people are flying around on rooftops and fighting at the tops of trees.


These are fantasy films - Chinese "folk super hero" movies if you will.

The genre would be wuxia pian (while not all wuxia pians are flying swordsmen movies, most flying swordsmen movies are wuxia pians).

Check out Ching Siu Tung's Duel to the Death, King Hu's A Touch of Zen, and Tsui Hark's The Swordsman (although with Zen, Hu used more trampolines than wires, but his work is what inspired many of the HK new wave directors to use more wires and montage).

[D_Davis]

My genre would be fantasy.

What kind of fantasy? Are we just talking Tolkenesque stuff here?

[lovejuice]

For noir, watch Rififi.

My genre would be fantasy.

stupidest question ever, how do you find lord of the ring? not a fan myself, but if that doesn't work, hardly anything will.

i too love princess bride and willow. i prefer my fantasy not to have any grandiosity.

will check out rififi

[SirNewt]

Princess Bride. It has fencing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes, true love, miracles...

But I'm sure you've seen it already.

'Princess Bride' is farse. It continual reminds you of the ridiculousness of Fantasy it doesn't count.


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We have to get straight how we're going to classify Fantasy and Sci-fi.

Space doesn't make something Scifi.

In fantasy I'd recommend Cocteau's 'Beauty and the Beast', 'Star Wars' (whcin of course you've seen), and 'Sergeant York'.

ooh and the 'The Thief of Bahgdad'.

[Kurosawa Fan]

What kind of fantasy? Are we just talking Tolkenesque stuff here?

Yeah, that type of fantasy. I guess.

[lovejuice]

Well, noir films are usually a kind of modern tragedy.

interesting way to look at noir. i actually like tragedy, and that reminds me only noir i have dig thus far is se7en which overplays the tragedy aspect and underplays the detective-ness.

[lovejuice]

i just have this idea. if many people are interested, we can make this a film swap kinda deal.

[Raiders]

My favorite fantasy film besides Pan's Labyrinth may be Babe: Pig in the City, so you could try that one. Though I think an underrated fantasy, and one likely not to usually be considered such (it has a very surrel, is-this-shit-happening? vibe), is Chris Colombus' only good film: Adventures in Babysitting.

[Spinal]

My genre would be fantasy.

I was going to suggest The NeverEnding Story. Looking at Netflix, it looks like you've already seen it and liked it OK.

[SirNewt]

Yeah, that type of fantasy. I guess.

Okay, well then there pretty much isn't a genre.

[Grouchy]

the idea is you post a genre (or a sub-genre) that is fairly low in your favorably list, and someone recommend you movies which should be able to cure you of the aversion.

for me, it's noir. perhaps because i'm a big fan of its sister genre, golden age mystery, aka whodunit, aka cozy. do people who're into noir really care about...well...whodunit? seem like in noir, the solution eventually present itself, and audiences/readers only have to wait for that moment while enjoying themselves with the decadence of our society and the act of manliness by the main character. oh, and femme fatale's presence. can't forget that.
Well, if you go to the literary roots of the genre, that's what separates noir crime from whodunit crime - the lack of interest of the authors for puzzle logic. In noir, the crime is an excuse to make an artistic portrait of a world of decadence and corruption and a cynical philosophy. That's why the solution "presents itself", and the detectives stumble into it instead of deducing it. I'm a huge fan of noir, and not that much of whodunit (Agatha Christie, Ellery Queen and the like) because I find noir writers more modern and deep. I like the Sherlock Holmes canon and the three Poe stories with Dupin, though. So, what you don't like about the genre is one of its defining factors.

What can I recommend? I dunno. Chinatown, maybe, because it embodies the noir spirit to the fullest while being a revisionistic take.

I don't like: courtroom drama and Jane Austen.

[SirNewt]

interesting way to look at noir. i actually like tragedy, and that reminds me only noir i have dig thus far is se7en which overplays the tragedy aspect and underplays the detective-ness.

Try 'The Big Sleep'.

[Russ]

Fantasy reco's would include Gaiman and McKean's MirrorMask (tho I'm not a huge fan of Henson-related films) and Gilliam's fantasy stuff. Not just Time Bandits, be sure and check out The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, which just came out in a spiffy new 2-disc DVD special edition.

The rather dark Return to Oz is worth a look. And for old-school Harryhausen classics, you can't go wrong with Jason and the Argonauts.

[Wryan]

I don't like: courtroom drama and Jane Austen.

12 Angry Men? Jane Austen said it was her favorite movie ever.

[Wryan]

Fantasy reco's would include Gaiman and McKean's MirrorMask (tho I'm not a huge fan of Henson-related films) and Gilliam's fantasy stuff. Not just Time Bandits, be sure and check out The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, which just came out in a spiffy new 2-disc DVD special edition.

The rather dark Return to Oz is worth a look. And for old-school Harryhausen classics, you can't go wrong with Jason and the Argonauts.

Hate TB, love TABM.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Yeah, thinking back on it I guess my answer wasn't all that accurate. I like The Princess Bride, The Neverending Story, Pan's Labyrinth, Willow (sorta), etc.

Eh, I guess there isn't really a genre that doesn't work for me. I guess I just don't really like LOTR.

[Grouchy]

12 Angry Men? Jane Austen said it was her favorite movie ever.
Hah, seriously?

Well, I like that one. I like Anatomy of a Murder too. I was bored by Amistad, Rainmaker and Inherit the Wind.

[SirNewt]

Hah, seriously?

Well, I like that one. I like Anatomy of a Murder too. I was bored by Amistad, Rainmaker and Inherit the Wind.

It's slow, but Judgement at Nurmberg Inherits the Wind and then blows chunks all over that inferior film.

Also for Claustrophobes, try 'Breaker Morant'.

[Raiders]

Judgement at Nurmberg Inherits the Wind

They're both equally bad.

[SirNewt]

They're both equally bad.

Gene Kelly drags 'Inherit' way lower.

[Grouchy]

It's slow, but Judgement at Nurmberg Inherits the Wind and then blows chunks all over that inferior film.

Also for Claustrophobes, try 'Breaker Morant'.
Suggestions taken. Breaker Morant is referenced by Garth Ennis on Preacher, I've been wanting to see it for some time now.

[Spinal]

Yeah, thinking back on it I guess my answer wasn't all that accurate. I like The Princess Bride, The Neverending Story, Pan's Labyrinth, Willow (sorta), etc.

Eh, I guess there isn't really a genre that doesn't work for me. I guess I just don't really like LOTR.

I thought you hated musicals.

[Wryan]

Hah, seriously?

Jane Austen died in like 1817. :lol:

I like Witness for the Prosecution a lot, if that's the one with Charles Laughton. The Preminger one with Jimmy Stewart didn't do much for me, surprisingly.

[Wryan]

They're both equally bad.

At least Wind has a Bible-thumping Fredrich March in it. The sweaty diatribes hurled between Tracy and March are the only good things in the entire film.

[Wryan]

Gene Kelly drags 'Inherit' way lower.

Nobody can play any iteration of Mencken and survive.

[DavidSeven]

I don't like: courtroom drama and Jane Austen.

Have you already seen Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice?

[Watashi]

I don't like animated films.

[monolith94]

Nobody can play any iteration of Mencken and survive.
Um, I played that part in my high school's production of Inherit the Wind. And I rocked it.

[dreamdead]

I don't like animated films.

Try Grave of the Fireflies. It's an emotional film, but it never becomes cloying.

[Watashi]

But seriously, I don't really care for stoic Asian films (3-Iron, Nobody Knows, Tropical Maladay, etc) or screwball comedy.

[Grouchy]

Jane Austen died in like 1817. :lol:
Dumb ol' me. Heh.


Have you already seen Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice?
No, never felt like it. I think I'll watch Atonement first, though. They look a bit like the same movie.

[lovejuice]

Try 'The Big Sleep'.

the novel doesn't work for me. is there a reason to expect the movie will?


I'm a huge fan of noir, and not that much of whodunit (Agatha Christie, Ellery Queen and the like) because I find noir writers more modern and deep...So, what you don't like about the genre is one of its defining factors.

ouch! that's hurt. we are anti-thesis of each other. i believe i could appreciate noir if only it were not too close to comfort with golden age mystery.

[lovejuice]

No, never felt like it. I think I'll watch Atonement first, though. They look a bit like the same movie.

ah. good choice. mcewan is austen's kissing cousin, so that perhaps is the closest you can get to austen's without actually watching austen's.

[lovejuice]

But seriously, I don't really care for stoic Asian films (3-Iron, Nobody Knows, Tropical Maladay, etc) or screwball comedy.

how's about last life in the universe? i am not a fan, but it's the most accessible of the bunch. there is this little known korean film called wanee and junah. my favorite korean ever. how's about il mare? (although that's more like asian romance than stoic.)

[Qrazy]

They're both equally bad.

Wrong.

Some that haven't been mentioned:

Fantasy: Miyazaki's canon.

Courtroom Drama: To Kill a Mockingbird

Noir: Touch of Evil, The Killers, Pickup on South Street

[Qrazy]

Dumb ol' me. Heh.


No, never felt like it. I think I'll watch Atonement first, though. They look a bit like the same movie.

Ang Lee's Sense and Sensibility is really actually quite good.

[Spinal]

Fantasy: Miyazaki's canon.

Heh, did you just suggest that to Kurosawa Fan? :lol:

[Qrazy]

Heh, did you just suggest that to Kurosawa Fan? :lol:

Why is he not a fan?

[Spinal]

Why is he not a fan?

To put it mildly.

[Qrazy]

To put it mildly.

OK then he should watch Zardoz and then rewatch Miyazaki's canon.

[Spinal]

Hello there. My name is Hayao Miyazaki. Many of you likely don’t recognize my face, but perhaps you’ve seen some of the films I’ve directed: Porco Rosso, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, My Neighbor Totoro, Howl’s Moving Castle?

Well, I’m here today to apologize to all of my fans. A while back I announced my retirement from films, and I didn’t live up to it. The fact is, I just couldn’t rest with all of these unique ideas in my head! I thought of a young girl who goes on vacation with her parents, only to discover the little sea town she visits has a window to a wonderful magic world filled with quirky spirits! Eh? Pretty great! Or how about a world where magical spirits help a young boy deal with the divorce of his parents? I mean, c’mon! These are gold! And there’s another one about a young child without any friends who deals with her loneliness by escaping to a fantasy land with dragons and a talking princess animal!

Look, with ideas as original and brilliant as those, you would have had a hard time walking away too, right? So stay tuned for my latest film, Ponyo on the Cliff, where a 5-year-old boy has a relationship with his goldfish princess, who wants to become human. Where do I come up with this stuff?!?

...

[Winston*]

I thin what this all comes down to is that Kurosawa Fan hates magic. Also black people, but that's a different matter. The different matter being his racism

[Qrazy]

...

Clearly KF hates imagination. I recommend a career in accounting or perhaps thumb tack counting.

[Thirdmango]

Horror

[lovejuice]

Horror

exorcist? susperia? the shining?

[Eleven]

Horror

Night of the Living Dead, Cat People, Curse of the Demon, Deep Red, The Changeling...I guess it would help to narrow down what you don't enjoy about the genre and we could compensate.

[Thirdmango]

Honestly of all the genres it's the one in which I've watched the least amount, all those movies listed I haven't seen so that's a good start, if I could get those maybe boiled down to two or three, the best of the best then I could start there.

For clarification I've never enjoyed being instantly scared. For instance I don't like horror houses because it's shock, where as I loved being scared during the "chase" scene in No Country. More drawn out scared instead of "Bang" scared.

[DavidSeven]

No, never felt like it. I think I'll watch Atonement first, though. They look a bit like the same movie.

They're pretty different in tone and execution. I personally think that Pride and Prejudice is a better entry point, but Atonement might be easier for you to swallow if you have an aversion to Austen.

[megladon8]

I don't like animated films.


Look up stuff by Ralph Bakshi.

[Qrazy]

Another good court room drama: Boomerang

[Qrazy]

Honestly of all the genres it's the one in which I've watched the least amount, all those movies listed I haven't seen so that's a good start, if I could get those maybe boiled down to two or three, the best of the best then I could start there.

For clarification I've never enjoyed being instantly scared. For instance I don't like horror houses because it's shock, where as I loved being scared during the "chase" scene in No Country. More drawn out scared instead of "Bang" scared.

Give The Changeling a look... Les Diaboliques, The Vanishing, Onibaba, Kwaidan, The Tenant, Repulsion, Rosemary's Baby, Peeping Tom.

[SirNewt]

Jane Austen died in like 1817. :lol:

I like Witness for the Prosecution a lot, if that's the one with Charles Laughton. The Preminger one with Jimmy Stewart didn't do much for me, surprisingly.

I didn't even know they remade this. I can see Jimmy/Preminger not doing the material justice.

[Ezee E]

Honestly of all the genres it's the one in which I've watched the least amount, all those movies listed I haven't seen so that's a good start, if I could get those maybe boiled down to two or three, the best of the best then I could start there.

For clarification I've never enjoyed being instantly scared. For instance I don't like horror houses because it's shock, where as I loved being scared during the "chase" scene in No Country. More drawn out scared instead of "Bang" scared.
The Shining and Alien are some obvious ones that if you haven't seen, why the freak not? They build and build on their horror, and don't have too many "jump" scares.

For me, it's musicals as well.

[Eleven]

I didn't even know they remade this. I can see Jimmy/Preminger not doing the material justice.

Stewart/Preminger is Anatomy of a Murder, Laughton/Wilder is Witness for the Prosecution. Except for setting, they're not that similar.

[SirNewt]

exorcist?

I was raised in a fundamentalist household and believed in demon posession. I couldn't watch this film growing up. I think it would've scared me so badly I'd have spent the rest of my develpping years in the fetal positon in the corner.

[Qrazy]

I was raised in a fundamentalist household and believed in demon posession.

And now?

[SirNewt]

Stewart/Preminger is Anatomy of a Murder, Laughton/Wilder is Witness for the Prosecution. Except for setting, they're not that similar.

OK, I've seen that. He had me scratching my head.

[SirNewt]

And now?

Let's just say my family and I don't see eye to eye anymore.

;)

Education, it's good for what ails ya.

[lovejuice]

For me, it's musicals as well.

pretty much anything by fosse. especially cabaret. what do you think of once? it's a very low-key musical, quite non-traditional, but a good start.

[Ezee E]

Once was alright.

All That Jazz was alright too.

Cabaret is probably the end of musicals for me when I get to it. It's in the teens on my queue.

[Philosophe_rouge]

Someone said screwball comedy, I recommend:
The Awful Truth
To Be or Not to Be
It Happened One Night
Nothing Sacred
The More the Merrier

I would say for me, it would be action films. It's probably because I've seen so few.

[Raiders]

Jane Austen died in like 1817. :lol:

I like Witness for the Prosecution a lot, if that's the one with Charles Laughton. The Preminger one with Jimmy Stewart didn't do much for me, surprisingly.

The opposite for me. The ending to the Wilder film is ridiculous and almost seems to be playing for absurdity.

[balmakboor]

I'd tried and tried to think of genre I dislike so I can play along and I've come up empty. I've never met a genre I didn't like. I've disliked lots of genre films, but no genre in total.

[Watashi]

Someone said screwball comedy, I recommend:
The Awful Truth
To Be or Not to Be
It Happened One Night
Nothing Sacred
The More the Merrier

I would say for me, it would be action films. It's probably because I've seen so few.
I didn't like The Awful Truth.

For action, I would suggest Assault on Precinct 13. It's my favorite action film and probably Carpenter's best.

[Philosophe_rouge]

I didn't like The Awful Truth.

For action, I would suggest Assault on Precinct 13. It's my favorite action film and probably Carpenter's best.
I know many people who don't, I named a few and I think they're all quite a different brand of screwball. Something for everyone :D

I'll do my best to see this, I can't wait to go on a movie binge when schools out! Thanks for the recommendation :D

[Grouchy]

For action, I would suggest Assault on Precinct 13. It's my favorite action film and probably Carpenter's best.
Excellent. That movie is a masterpiece.

I'd also suggest Die Hard and Mad Max sagas.

[Philosophe_rouge]

Excellent. That movie is a masterpiece.

I'd also suggest Die Hard and Mad Max sagas.
Thanks, I actually watched Mad Max 2 years ago, but I hardly remember it. I've been meaning to revisit it for sometime. I haven't seen Die Hard either :crazy: I'll see what I can do

[Melville]

ouch! that's hurt. we are anti-thesis of each other. i believe i could appreciate noir if only it were not too close to comfort with golden age mystery.
I don't see a lot of similarity between "whodunnit" mysteries and noir. A lot of later film noir does away with the detectives and mysteries entirely. The Third Man, Touch of Evil, and Chinatown are probably the best examples of noir films that stress the tragedy in the genre, but there are countless others (e.g. The Set-Up, any of Nicholas Ray's noir films, Side Street, Force of Evil, Asphalt Jungle, Gun Crazy)

For fantasy, I'd recommend The Dark Crystal. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I remember it rocking pretty hard.

For screwball comedy, I'd go with His Girl Friday, but I think Watashi has already seen it.

For action: RoboCop.

For horror: Rosemary's Baby. But I don't really care for horror myself.

[Grouchy]

Thanks, I actually watched Mad Max 2 years ago, but I hardly remember it. I've been meaning to revisit it for sometime. I haven't seen Die Hard either :crazy: I'll see what I can do
NAKATOMI PLAZA.

Now there's a name you'll always remember.

[trotchky]

For me, it's musicals as well.

It might be an obvious suggestion, but have you seen Singin' in the Rain? I never liked musicals until I saw that film.

[Melville]

Oh yeah, for musicals I'd love to recommend Top Hat, which was delightful, but I don't think E would like it. Cabaret is probably a safer bet.

[Philosophe_rouge]

For musicals, I recommend Les Damesoilles de Rochefort. MM..

[Watashi]

Musicals are easy: Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory and The Brave Little Toaster

[lovejuice]

I don't see a lot of similarity between "whodunnit" mysteries and noir.

are you overlooking the fact that in any bookstore they are on the same shelf? ;) can i really help it reading about sam spade and thinking to myself how much i miss that little belgium sleuth with grey cell?

[Spinal]

For fantasy, I'd recommend The Dark Crystal. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I remember it rocking pretty hard.

Own it. It still rocks.

[lovejuice]

for screwball comedy, won't stephen chow's movies be safer bets? unless you don't like wire fu either.

[MadMan]

Breaker Morant is pretty damn good. I really liked it, and I think it has many interesting things to say about duty, following orders, and even ideas of country. I don't believe I ever wrote a proper review of it.

I would have originally said musicals, but I just realized that I do like a decent number of them. That said, they're still one of my least favorite genres although I must confess I haven't said anything from Fred Astair or Gene Kelly yet. So I'd say my least favorite genre is the rom-com.

[Melville]

are you overlooking the fact that in any bookstore they are on the same shelf?
Yes. (I'm much more familiar with noir in film form.)

[Melville]

So I'd say my least favorite genre is the rom-com.
Punch-Drunk Love all the way. Also, a lot of 1930s-40s romantic comedies are surprisingly good. I recently watched and quite liked Holiday. The Shop round the Corner is magnificent. Going even earlier, Girl Shy is hilarious.

[Qrazy]

For fantasy, I'd recommend The Dark Crystal. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I remember it rocking pretty hard.


It doesn't hold up that well unfortunately. I loved it as a kid and rewatched it about a year ago and yeah... Labyrinth actually aged better I found. I mean it's still worth seeing (The Dark Crystal) for anyone who hasn't seen it, but the pacing feels off and the film just sort of plods along... but great creature design.

[Philosophe_rouge]

The Dark Crystal terrified me as a kid, I haven't seen it since.

[lovejuice]

Labyrinth actually aged better I found.
indeed. i don't even know how to catagerize the movie. on a surface, it's a fantasy, but what makes it great, in my opinion, is all the erotic undertone.

[SirNewt]

Someone said screwball comedy, I recommend:
The Awful Truth
To Be or Not to Be
It Happened One Night
Nothing Sacred
The More the Merrier

I would say for me, it would be action films. It's probably because I've seen so few.

'The Lady Eve' for sure. Any one of Sturges's main films would be a pretty good bet if you don't like the usual Screwball comedy.

Who suggested 'The Thrid Man' for noir, great choice.




I tend to dislike contemporary comedies. They just lack any creativity as far as I'm concerned. Romantic ones today are just too doting and the rest are absurdity without any of the clever chicanery of Screwball.


Can someone help me out here?

[Melville]

Can someone help me out here?
The Big Lebowski.

[lovejuice]

for contemporary comedy, i'll say spinal tap and any mockumentary by guest.

[Qrazy]

for contemporary comedy, i'll say spinal tap and any mockumentary by guest.

I will endorse Spinal Tap and caution you against anything else Guest has ever done.

[Grouchy]

Can someone help me out here?
Watch Smiley Face.

[SirNewt]

I will endorse Spinal Tap and caution you against anything else Guest has ever done.

'Spinal Tap', is hilarity beginning to end. I've seen part of 'The Big Lebowski', haveing been wrenched away from it by friends or relations to do some vastly inferior activity no doubt.

[MadMan]

Punch-Drunk Love all the way. Also, a lot of 1930s-40s romantic comedies are surprisingly good. I recently watched and quite liked Holiday. The Shop round the Corner is magnificent. Going even earlier, Girl Shy is hilarious.Thank you good sir. I've never heard of Girl Shy although I'm greatly familiar with the others. If I recall The Shop Around the Corner was remade as You've Got Mail, which I actually like a little bit.

[Lasse]

I don't like westerns. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot, but the best one so far has been City Slickers. :P

[Kurosawa Fan]

I thought you hated musicals.

Thank you for knowing me better than I do. :lol:

Hate is probably too strong a word, but for the most part I haven't cared for what I've seen. There are some exceptions though.

[Boner M]

Seeing the trailer for Smart People today made me realise that 'they're-smart-about-everything-except-how-to-manage-their-own-lives' is a burgeoning genre, whose subsequent entries I will do my best to avoid (this goes for Dan in Real Life too).

[Mara]

Look up stuff by Ralph Bakshi.

I know Wats is being sarcastic, but I'm not sure if you are. Either way, Bakshi makes my eyes bleed.

I've never been much of a fan of horror or westerns, although I've seen one or two examples of each that I enjoyed anyway. (High Noon was excellent.)

[Mara]

Seeing the trailer for Smart People today made me realise that 'they're-smart-about-everything-except-how-to-manage-their-own-lives' is a burgeoning genre, whose subsequent entries I will do my best to avoid (this goes for Dan in Real Life too).

How about Wonder Boys? It's not subsequent, and it's excellent.

[Kurosawa Fan]

I know Wats is being sarcastic, but I'm not sure if you are. Either way, Bakshi makes my eyes bleed.

I've never been much of a fan of horror or westerns, although I've seen one or two examples of each that I enjoyed anyway. (High Noon was excellent.)

Watch Destry Rides Again. I think you'd like that.

[Boner M]

How about Wonder Boys? It's not subsequent, and it's excellent.
Haven't seen since it's release but wasn't a huge fan.

I think I should specify that I'm not so much against films about dysfunctional intellectuals/academics (Metropolitan is a good example), but rather films that uphold that sort of character irony as if it's the most brilliant trope in the world, such as the first two offending examples I mentioned. Neither of which I have seen.

[bac0n]

I don't like westerns. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot, but the best one so far has been City Slickers. :P

I'd say you can't go wrong with:

The Magnificent Seven
The Good The Bad & The Ugly
Once Upon A Time in The West

The genres for me that I can't get into are slashers and "torture porn". I think I hate torture porn more on principal than anything else, so you might have a tough time getting me into seeing that one.

[Mara]

Watch Destry Rides Again. I think you'd like that.

I will watch anything with Jimmy Stewart. You're on.

[Qrazy]

The genres for me that I can't get into are slashers and "torture porn". I think I hate torture porn more on principal than anything else, so you might have a tough time getting me into seeing that one.

Yeah I'd have to agree, I think slashers are my least favorite too. While I had some marginal respect for Perfect Blue's structural ingenuity I just couldn't stand the tone of the film throughout. It made me feel nervous/nautious and not suspense film type nervous, just like I had no interest in being there and watching the story play out... even Santa Sangre which I again respect parts of (quite like Jodorowsky) just feel so tonally disgusting to me. I have no interest in feeling that way.

[Russ]

torture porn
Although Hostel has its defenders, of whom I am not one, there seems to be no purpose apart from a very unhealthy titillation.That's not to say "torture porn" can't be used effectively in a greater context. Have you ever seen the opening sequence of Marathon Man?

[Kurosawa Fan]

I will watch anything with Jimmy Stewart. You're on.

That's two of us. My man-crush knows no bounds.

[Wryan]

That's two of us. My man-crush knows no bounds.

The Naked Spur might be his best performance.

Yeah, seriously.

[Kurosawa Fan]

The Naked Spur might be his best performance.

Yeah, seriously.

It has been moved to the top of my queue. Thanks.

[Wryan]

It has been moved to the top of my queue. Thanks.

I didn't know you hadn't seen it. Hope I haven't built it up too much, now. :)

EDIT: Ok, how bout best performance in his westerns. Even then, it's got great company, but doesn't cast so wide a net (and leaves out the Hitch stuff).

[MadMan]

I don't understand the people who don't like Jimmy Stewart. He's simply an awesome actor, and there is more to him than the sterotypical "Awww shucks" persona. Those who think that haven't seen him in any of his westerns, or his Hitchcock films. Even his great role in Its A Wonderful Life has a good deal of darkness that's hinted at, hidden under the surface-at least in the first half of the film anyways.

As for slasher films, I hear that Black Christmas(1974) is great. Halloween (the original) is great, the remake I found to be fairly solid, and I actually enjoyed Friday the 13th. A Nightmare on Elm Street is very good but overrated, and I can't say I've seen anything beyond that although I've heard that many of the Italian slasher films are really entertaining, with directors such as Argento and Bava. Those are the ones I really want to see when it comes to foreign horrors.

When it comes to torture porn I have no interest in that subgenre at all either. So I'm with bac0n when it comes to not wanting anything to do with that particular subgenre of horror. To me they are equal with the faux snuff films that came out back in the 70s and 80s and those "Cannibal" films from the same decades as well.

[Raiders]

The Naked Spur might be his best performance.

Yeah, seriously.

I prefer Vertigo and It's a Wonderful Life, but yeah, he's great in all those Mann westerns. Actually, he's pretty much just great in general. I'll third the man-crush sentiment.

[Spinal]

Jimmy Stewart is milquetoast to me. Generally adequate, but not someone who ever gets my pulse racing.

[Kurosawa Fan]

I've never neg raped anyone, but you're coming close.

[Spinal]

I've never neg raped anyone, but you're coming close.

Tease.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Tease.

Oh you.

[Raiders]

Jimmy Stewart is milquetoast to me. Generally adequate, but not someone who ever gets my pulse racing.

How about now?

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1931/jimmydn8.jpg

[DavidSeven]

Jimmy Stewart doesn't really do it for me either. He's got kind of a whiny vibe, no? Whiny actors don't do it for me.

[lovejuice]

upon making this thread, little did i know what it would become. :lol:

[Mara]

Jimmy Stewart is milquetoast to me. Generally adequate, but not someone who ever gets my pulse racing.

You have no soul. I would marry that man.

Oh, and my favorite Jimmy Stewart performance was in The Philadelphia Story.

[Raiders]

Jimmy Stewart doesn't really do it for me either. He's got kind of a whiny vibe, no? Whiny actors don't do it for me.

No, actually. He doesn't.

[DavidSeven]

No, actually. He doesn't.

Must just be the screeching voice and the amount of times he's played "down on his luck and frustrated about it" types then...

[Mara]

Must just be the screeching voice and the amount of times he's played "down on his luck and frustrated about it" types then...

He's not screechy. He's mumbly. It's an entirely different vibe.

[Spinal]

How about now?


Blasphemer.

[Mara]

Must just be the screeching voice and the amount of times he's played "down on his luck and frustrated about it" types then...

Are you sure you don't mean Jim Carey?

[DavidSeven]

Are you sure you don't mean Jim Carey?

Uh, hm... what?

[Duncan]

I also think Stewart has a whiny vibe. I guess I like him in It's a Wonderful Life. Other films I like despite his performances.

[Kurosawa Fan]

You guys are out of warnings. The rapings will commence unless this insane nonsense stops now!

*takes pants off*

[DavidSeven]

Speaking of which, it's not a genre, but I don't enjoy movies that exhibit a flippant attitude toward sexual abuse.

[Qrazy]

Speaking of which, it's not a genre, but I don't enjoy movies that exhibit a flippant attitude toward sexual abuse.

What about a flippant attitude toward death?

[DavidSeven]

What about a flippant attitude toward death?

To be perfectly honest, I find the former to be worse.

[Qrazy]

To be perfectly honest, I find the former to be worse.

Why's that? Ventures: Because social perception towards one is fairly well ingrained (don't kill) but the other is less of an issue in some circles (groups of men still objectifying women although not taking it as far as rape usually)?

If that's your reason I think it's a reasonable one.

[Spinal]

I think that all of us are on equal footing with death. It is something that no one can escape, no matter who they are.

Sexual abuse often involves an abuse of power and it is not something that all people face in their lives. Even those who experience it, experience it to varying degrees. It is much more difficult to be able to say that you can understand someone's pain and therefore you are justified in finding the humor in the situation.

[Qrazy]

I think that all of us are on equal footing with death. It is something that no one can escape, no matter who they are.

I was referring to murder.

[DavidSeven]

Why's that? Ventures: Because social perception towards one is fairly well ingrained (don't kill) but the other is less of an issue in some circles (groups of men still objectifying women although not taking it as far as rape usually)?

If that's your reason I think it's a reasonable one.

That's basically it along with what Spinal just said. The social perception of death and murder has become more or less standardized. I think unless we're talking about the most impressionable viewer, the way the audience views it in art isn't necessarily going to affect how they perceive it in society.

Also, to touch on what Spinal said, the former is a much more personal experience than what death and even murder are. Filmmakers are putting the audience in a very uncomfortable situation if they try to portray an experience that personal and especially if they do it in a nonchalant manner.

[MadMan]

All of the Jimmy Stewart hate gets a big fat :| from me.

[Bosco B Thug]

I'm a fan of Jimmy Stewart because of how scary he gets at the end of Vertigo.

My greatest genre aversion would be fantasy. Not a genre, per se, but I'm off of TARTAN ASIAN EXTREEEME horror films because Shutter, Phone, and Acacia are all bleh (though The Booth was above par). I've been stalling but am interested in getting into good 80s/90s romance/teen/chickflick comedies and, rather specific but, those Japanese cyberpunk/techno-smut films - those techno-sexual surrealist mindtrips a la Tetsuo. There's a subgenre's worth of those, right?

[Grouchy]

Speaking of which, it's not a genre, but I don't enjoy movies that exhibit a flippant attitude toward sexual abuse.
Watch Go, Go Second Time Virgin.

[Watashi]

All of the Jimmy Stewart hate gets a big fat :| from me.
I don't see anyone hating Stewart in this thread.

[MadMan]

I don't see anyone hating Stewart in this thread.Okay, more like disliking him/not giving him the credit he deserves. But still...

[balmakboor]

I did think of one way I can relate to this topic. When I was a teenager, I hated both westerns and John Wayne. Then I saw The Searchers in a college film class and was transformed into a big fan of both.

So, I guess, if you are a teenager who hates westerns or John Wayne or both, give The Searchers a try.

[Wryan]

Another great Wayne performance lies in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. Middle of the "trilogy" I think, but far from middling.

[Wryan]

KF did you ever get to see Naked Spur?

[Kurosawa Fan]

KF did you ever get to see Naked Spur?

Nope. It's still on the top of my queue.

[lovejuice]

as a part of my noir aversion therapy, i watched rififi and touch of evil. i like both although the former is more a heist movie than a noir. toe (:lol:!!!) is terrific. what i really love -- not to mention wells's creativity -- is how the story evolves from something to something else. this is what a good detective story should be. not just a guy macho-ing around and waiting for the answer!

[Qrazy]

as a part of my noir aversion therapy, i watched rififi and touch of evil. i like both although the former is more a heist movie than a noir.

My position is that noir is more of a stylistic genre than a narrative genre... one film is heist, another detective, still another could be a wrong man scenario... they can all be noirs if they possess enough of the visual, verbal, audio, etc traits of noir.

I mean yeah noir has narrative similarities as well but I think I could make a detective-less, femme fatale-less, etc say... coming of age film... and still make it noir.

[Grouchy]

I mean yeah noir has narrative similarities as well but I think I could make a detective-less, femme fatale-less, etc say... coming of age film... and still make it noir.
Agreed until this last sentence. You could make it in a noir style of lighting, for example, but it wouldn't be film noir.

[Philosophe_rouge]

I can't comment on Rififi, but I will agree nearly everything can fit under noir, it just depends how the film is presented. Not necessarily visually, but tonally and thematically. Noir for me is centered on the on perversion or loss of hope in the "American dream". The loss of family, and the pursuit of wealth and fortune by any means. Ordinary people caught up in extraordinary circomstances. It's dominated by dissillusioned veterans who fought for the idea of a country, only to be hit by the hypocracy and reality of their "home". This factors into issues with identity, which also explain the importance and actual presence of femme fatale as a subversive attack on masculinity, as well as more blatantly, a symbol of betrayal. Even films not about veterans, or men for that matter like Mildred Pierce see a dissillusionment in perceived expectations and family structures and dreams. It's very broad I guess. I can't really describe it, I feel a noir or something.

[Qrazy]

Agreed until this last sentence. You could make it in a noir style of lighting, for example, but it wouldn't be film noir.

Probably true but if I preserved many of the archetypes and just general attitude towards life I think it could be... genre groupings... either narrative or stylistic tend to be malleable in my experience... you know like neo-noirs... it would be easier to group such a film with noir or a subset of noir than to create a new genre entirely.

[MadMan]

Nope. It's still on the top of my queue.It was shown on TCM last Friday. I wasn't in the mood to watch it however (I don't know why, but I just wasn't). I've gotten to the point where I have to be in a certain mood to actually watch a film. Besides TCM will either show it again or I'll be able to find it on DVD. Only if the film is insanely hard to find will I watch it on TV, and usually TCM is the channel that has those films.

[Grouchy]

Probably true but if I preserved many of the archetypes and just general attitude towards life I think it could be... genre groupings... either narrative or stylistic tend to be malleable in my experience... you know like neo-noirs... it would be easier to group such a film with noir or a subset of noir than to create a new genre entirely.
Yeah, but you just said you'd get rid of the archetypes, that's why I pointed it out. For me, the most broad way I can define a noir is: a crime story set in a world where institutions and society are corrupt and decadent, with an anti-hero (a cop, a criminal, a reporter, anything) in the center of the narrative.

If you took a coming-of-age drama, say, 400 Blows, and you shot it with wide lenses, shadows on the roof and other noir traits, you'd be borrowing from the genre, but, unless you changed it completely and added a murder and a woman with long sexy legs, I wouldn't say you were making a movie in the genre.

[lovejuice]

unless you changed it completely and added a murder and a woman with long sexy legs...

i think you just pinpoint my problem with noir. i'm not a leg guy. :sad:;)

[Qrazy]

Yeah, but you just said you'd get rid of the archetypes, that's why I pointed it out. For me, the most broad way I can define a noir is: a crime story set in a world where institutions and society are corrupt and decadent, with an anti-hero (a cop, a criminal, a reporter, anything) in the center of the narrative.

If you took a coming-of-age drama, say, 400 Blows, and you shot it with wide lenses, shadows on the roof and other noir traits, you'd be borrowing from the genre, but, unless you changed it completely and added a murder and a woman with long sexy legs, I wouldn't say you were making a movie in the genre.

Reasonable, I agree.