Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

[Dukefrukem]

Is this free to stream for everyone else on Amazon?

[Skitch]

Any word on when its hitting D+?

[Lazlo]

Is this free to stream for everyone else on Amazon?

$19.99 to buy is all I'm seeing.

[Dukefrukem]

$19.99 to buy is all I'm seeing.

Crap i think I just used part of my $25 credit to buy this by accident

[Irish]

Crap i think I just used part of my $25 credit to buy this by accident

Almost positive Amazon has an automated process to refund one-click shit you bought by accident. (Hazy memories here but I'm pretty sure I've used it before.)

[Dukefrukem]

Almost positive Amazon has an automated process to refund one-click shit you bought by accident. (Hazy memories here but I'm pretty sure I've used it before.)

I just looked again and it says "Promotion" and didn't come out of my credit. So I'm not sure why I got it for "free".

[Dukefrukem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dq_wo5eto&feature=emb_title

[Scar]

I had been half tempted to stream it until I watched that earlier today.

[Skitch]

I made it through 35 seconds.

[Scar]

I made it through 35 seconds.

I’ve watched just about every one of those. They become addicting.

[Dukefrukem]

They are well made. They certainly nitpick the crap out of movies but in a way it puts things in perspective just how silly some scripts are.

[Skitch]

I usually watch until they say something completely false. Not "opinion I dont agree with", I mean false.

[Dukefrukem]

I usually watch until they say something completely false. Not "opinion I dont agree with", I mean false.

So what was false here?

[Skitch]

"The Last Jedi asked you forget everything you knew about Star Wars."

False. TLJ is on track with everything I ever knew about Star Wars.

[Dukefrukem]

"The Last Jedi asked you forget everything you knew about Star Wars."

False. TLJ is on track with everything I ever knew about Star Wars.

During that line, they showed Leia flying through the vacuum of space, Luke drinking green milk and Rey and Kylo pulling a lightsaber together.

Pretty sure all three were highly contested subject of the TLJ which makes that statement not false.

[Skitch]

Leia wasn't flying through space, she was using the force to pull herself to the ship, the same way Jedi used it to jump super high plenty of times in previous films.

Luke drinking colored milk...Ep4: A New Hope.

Using the force to move a lightsaber...ffs

I'm getting hooked into another TLJ debate. I will not...I will not...

Edit: if the Leia thing you mean "because vacuum of space", are we really waiting till episode EIGHT to criticize Star Wars not being scientifically accurate?

[Grouchy]

I like The Last Jedi, I think it's a good Star Wars movie and I totally get where that comment's coming from. In fact, I always find Honest Trailers makes pretty excellent points even if they're jokes. Cinema Sins is the one that deliberately distorts things to make cheap shots.

[Scar]

I like The Last Jedi, I think it's a good Star Wars movie and I totally get where that comment's coming from. In fact, I always find Honest Trailers makes pretty excellent points even if they're jokes. Cinema Sins is the one that deliberately distorts things to make cheap shots.

I'll still watch Cinema Sins occasionally. When they're nitpicking an honest to God good movie, they will note that in their comments. Like John Wick 3, they mention repeatedly how great the movie was, but how it probably overstayed its welcome by 20 minutes, which I'm in total agreeance with.

[Dukefrukem]

Leia wasn't flying through space, she was using the force to pull herself to the ship, the same way Jedi used it to jump super high plenty of times in previous films.

Luke drinking colored milk...Ep4: A New Hope.

Using the force to move a lightsaber...ffs

I'm getting hooked into another TLJ debate. I will not...I will not...

Edit: if the Leia thing you mean "because vacuum of space", are we really waiting till episode EIGHT to criticize Star Wars not being scientifically accurate?

Your using semantics against me. I saw the movies too. I know that Luke drank blue milk in the original trilogy. That's not even the point.

[Skitch]

Your using semantics against me. I saw the movies too. I know that Luke drank blue milk in the original trilogy. That's not even the point.

I thought we were talking about other peoples criticisms, not yours.

[Scar]

"The Last Jedi asked you forget everything you knew about Star Wars."

False. TLJ is on track with everything I ever knew about Star Wars.

Oh come on, Skitch. It was the biggest ‘criticism’ to TLJ. I quite enjoy the movie myself, but the ridiculous amount of backlash for the movie resulted in Rise of Skywalker retconning just about everything from TLJ.

[Dukefrukem]

I thought we were talking about other peoples criticisms, not yours.

I was. People had a problem with Leia using the force in a vacuum. I believe it was called the Marry Poppins scene? I rather liked that scene a lot.

People had a problem with Luke's character arch (including Mark Hammel) Not that he drank green milk and there it was a reference to blue milk.

And the fucking light-saber that was destroyed in TLJ magically returns in RoS. So this scene they absolutely wanted you to forget everything about.

[Skitch]

Oh come on, Skitch. It was the biggest ‘criticism’ to TLJ.

I know. Doesn't mean they're right.

[Skitch]

And the fucking light-saber that was destroyed in TLJ magically returns in RoS. So this scene they absolutely wanted you to forget everything about.
I know. But thats a problem with RoS. Lord I forgot about that. How lazy. I bet JJ did deal with it, but it was cut. Do we agree JJ didn't get final cut of RoS?

[Dukefrukem]

I know. But thats a problem with RoS. Lord I forgot about that. How lazy. I bet JJ did deal with it, but it was cut. Do we agree JJ didn't get final cut of RoS?

Yeh I agree.

I can't believe "The Dead Speak" was a reference to a Fortnite tie in. That's crazy marketing. Not good marketing. I had no idea.

[Ezee E]

Not to extend it, but the Mary Poppins piece is still the worst thing in all of star wars.

[Skitch]

Not to extend it, but the Mary Poppins piece is still the worst thing in all of star wars.

It doesn't bother me in the least if people hate every aspect of ep8. It drives me up the wall when people (no one in this conversation!) say theres no precedent for things that occur in the movie.

[Philip J. Fry]

I thought the "Mary Poppins" bit was super creative.

[StuSmallz]

I like The Last Jedi, I think it's a good Star Wars movie and I totally get where that comment's coming from. In fact, I always find Honest Trailers makes pretty excellent points even if they're jokes. Cinema Sins is the one that deliberately distorts things to make cheap shots.Amen; I actually just watched this excellent vid essay dissecting just exactly why CS is so terrible, and why they're bad for film discourse online (of course, a third of the people who voted on it disliked it, showing how rabid Sins' fanbase is against any legitimate criticism):
https://youtu.be/ELEAsGoP-5I

[Philip J. Fry]

https://youtu.be/Hx1rKetHi54
Heh. This shit is awesome.

[Wryan]

That was great. Those short vids from that channel are amazing.

[Philip J. Fry]

That was great. Those short vids from that channel are amazing.Indeed!

[Scar]

Ugh, I've got this voice in the back of my head trying to convince me to buy the 4K disc that's released tomorrow.

[Irish]

Damn son that fever done fucked you up.

Go to the doctor. When they ask about your symptoms, mention this urge.

You'll be in the ICU before you can get the word "Skywalker" out of your mouth.

[Ezee E]

Damn son that fever done fucked you up.

Go to the doctor. When they ask about your symptoms, mention this urge.

You'll be in the ICU before you can get the word "Skywalker" out of your mouth.

Nothing some blue milk won't heal.

[Grouchy]

Yeah, that's clearly just the fever talking.

[Skitch]

Ugh, I've got this voice in the back of my head trying to convince me to buy the 4K disc that's released tomorrow.

I enjoyed it much more round 2. But I'm a whore.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[megladon8]

I cannot believe how awful this was.

40 years of build up...for this.

Kathleen Kennedy should be demoted to playing a porg in Disney's theme parks.

[Dukefrukem]

I cannot believe how awful this was.

40 years of build up...for this.

Kathleen Kennedy should be demoted to playing a porg in Disney's theme parks.

Rumors are Disney isn't extending her contract next year. She's done.

[megladon8]

Good.

I have never seen such a poorly handled series in my life.

It is so clear that there was NO PLAN for this thing. They just made the first one then winged it.

Even the prequels, as horrid as they are, clearly had a storyline planned from 1-3.

[Dukefrukem]

I'm with ya. This is why Kevin Feige got a movie. If that thing makes $2 billion, they will realize it was a mistake from Day 1 to stick with Kennedy. Remember, she was a LucasFilm exec anyway. It wasn't Disney's first choice to own this franchise.

This is also probably why no major news has come out about the upcoming movies.

[[ETM]]

Even the prequels, as horrid as they are, clearly had a storyline planned from 1-3.

Well, not much of a positive, with THAT storyline...

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[megladon8]

The emperor is back!

Oh wow, how?

...he's back!

Okay, but how? We saw him die. Is he a clone?

No he's not a clone.

Was he rescued by someone?

Nope!

Is he incapable of dying?

Of course he can die! He even has a line of dialogue saying he died!

Okay...so how is he back?

...he's back!!!!

[Dukefrukem]

The emperor is back!

Oh wow, how?

...he's back!

Okay, but how? We saw him die. Is he a clone?

No he's not a clone.

Was he rescued by someone?

Nope!

Is he incapable of dying?

Of course he can die! He even has a line of dialogue saying he died!

Okay...so how is he back?

...he's back!!!!

I came up with a theory for this here. I wish it was cannon.

http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?7695-Star-Wars-The-Rise-of-Skywalker/page6&p=613221&viewfull=1#post613221

[megladon8]

I came up with a theory for this here. I wish it was cannon.

http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?7695-Star-Wars-The-Rise-of-Skywalker/page6&p=613221&viewfull=1#post613221

Yep, what you wrote is smarter and more creative than anything they were even capable of.

Have you seen or heard some of the interviews with the Stars, since this last movie came out?

Even they hated Kennedy.

Ridley is super bitter about how much they messed everything up, and she has said that it became a pretty regular occurrence for Kennedy to demand rewrites on scenes they are shooting that day. Apparently the ending was rewritten like 9 times.

I would really like to see Abrams' 4-1/2 hour cut and see if it improves anything.

[Skitch]

Good read, Duke.

There was a story line in one of the (now de-canonized) novels...I can't remember which one...where the Emperor would punish a pupil by killing him and transferring the pupil's "essence" or "spirit" to another body so he could keep him alive to kill again.

[megladon8]

I still would have loved some of the ideas from the comics to make their way into the movies.

The team of bounty hunters that the Emperor enlists to take out Vader was so cool. All non-force sensitive, but he gives them all technology and weapons to mimic force powers (jet packs, electrodes on their fingers, etc). And they each get a light saber.

[Skitch]

I still would have loved some of the ideas from the comics to make their way into the movies.

The team of bounty hunters that the Emperor enlists to take out Vader was so cool. All non-force sensitive, but he gives them all technology and weapons to mimic force powers (jet packs, electrodes on their fingers, etc). And they each get a light saber.

There are an absolute WEALTH of better stories from those novels and comic books that are million times better than that third trilogy. I always thought it was complete foolishness they disavowed all that stuff when they could've drawn from it.

[megladon8]

Agreed 100% Skitch.

I cannot remember the last time such a huge property was so badly mishandled.

I mean, I still think the idea of recounting these last 3 movies is silly. You messed up, own it. Move forward.

But hot damn...what a mess.

How is it that they landed IN THE EXACT SPOT they needed to be standing in, to match up that stupid knife compass thing to the crashed Death Star?

[Skitch]

How is it that they landed IN THE EXACT SPOT they needed to be standing in, to match up that stupid knife compass thing to the crashed Death Star?
I said the exact same thing, but after a couple of viewings, I have to admit at one point someone says something to the effect of "you have to be standing at the southern most point of..." some peninsula or something. Its still ridiculous because its a deteriorating piece of rubble that with those waves would change probably monthly but why am I putting this much thought into it, the writers sure didn't.

[Dukefrukem]

Don't get me started on that dagger McGuffin.

[Ezee E]

Is it agreed upon by both Last Jedi fans and haters that Rise of SKywalker is god awful? It seems to be equally disliked by all by now.

[Skitch]

Is it agreed upon by both Last Jedi fans and haters that Rise of SKywalker is god awful? It seems to be equally disliked by all by now.

I don't find it as irritating as Episode 2, but I think its pretty easily the least of the third trilogy. But I'm a whore for all this shit so I'm wrong person to ask. (at least I admit it lol)

[Ezee E]

I like that this is my favorite thing about the movie:



-Liked the little alien with Zorii Bliss. Effectively funny the entire time.

[Dukefrukem]

Is it agreed upon by both Last Jedi fans and haters that Rise of SKywalker is god awful? It seems to be equally disliked by all by now.

Not sure about that.

https://i.ibb.co/yBB4G1g/SWRoS.png
https://i.ibb.co/qkKyn2D/SWTLJ.png

[Skitch]

Episode 9 has some really cool moments but I seriously felt like I was watching a movie as broken and cobbled together as Whedon's Justice League. BvS obviously has issues but at least its a film with choices and commitment to its choices (like Episode 8). People may not like those choices, but at least it feels like a film.

[Ezee E]

The dust has settled for Rise of Skywalker, so the RT scores don't vie anymore. I don't know a single person that likes it unless they're six or below.

[Ezee E]

Episode 9 has some really cool moments but I seriously felt like I was watching a movie as broken and cobbled together as Whedon's Justice League. BvS obviously has issues but at least its a film with choices and commitment to its choices (like Episode 8). People may not like those choices, but at least it feels like a film.

I can agree to that, even though I don't like the film, it at least has a thought-out story, and they don't make things up on the spot.

...except Leia Poppins... runs... (not an invite to debate this again, we already know who stands where :) )

[megladon8]

Episode 9 has some really cool moments but I seriously felt like I was watching a movie as broken and cobbled together as Whedon's Justice League. BvS obviously has issues but at least its a film with choices and commitment to its choices (like Episode 8). People may not like those choices, but at least it feels like a film.

Agree 100%.

That they so spinelessly retconned nearly every development from TLJ because fans didn't like it was shameful.

I wasn't hot on TLJ either, but that's the wrong move to take.

[Skitch]

Agree 100%.

That they so spinelessly retconned nearly every development from TLJ because fans didn't like it was shameful.

I wasn't hot on TLJ either, but that's the wrong move to take.

And we both know what exec's think when they see those RT scores...."audiences want fan service. They dont want anything new, they want what they know."

Booooooooriiiiiiiing

[[ETM]]

Those are not "fans". Audience scores on aggregator sites are pointless because they're hopelessly skewed towards extremes. I liked TLJ but wouldn't be caught dead near the "discussion" around it and I certainly didn't organize with my fellow cult members to storm RT and Metascore.

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[DFA1979]

The people who bash RT have no idea how their scoring system works. Anyways I still haven't seen the last flick and I'm not sure I want to.

[Skitch]

;623929']Those are not "fans". Audience scores on aggregator sites are pointless because they're hopelessly skewed towards extremes. I liked TLJ but wouldn't be caught dead near the "discussion" around it and I certainly didn't organize with my fellow cult members to storm RT and Metascore.

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I agree, I just don't give execs tons of credit lol

[Dead & Messed Up]

Feeling a perverse, dire, self-destructive urge to rewatch this.

[Skitch]

Feeling a perverse, dire, self-destructive urge to rewatch this.

I've seen it 4-5 times. Even this prequel defending star wars dork doesn't know how to feel about it.

[Dead & Messed Up]

I've seen it 4-5 times. Even this prequel defending star wars dork doesn't know how to feel about it.

Not great when a film hasn't opened itself up to you after four viewings.

[Wryan]

I liked the climax more than anything that preceded it. That's not a high bar, I grant you, but it actually felt like Star Wars for a brief period of time. The spirit was there, ever so fleeting, and I had...dare I say it...fun.

[Skitch]

Not great when a film hasn't opened itself up to you after four viewings.

There are very good....moments ...but so much of it feels hacked up. Feels very un-JJ edited. Still so many questions left unanswered. I feel theres a 45 min longer directors cut that's much smoother and explanatory.

[Ezee E]

There are very good....moments ...but so much of it feels hacked up. Feels very un-JJ edited. Still so many questions left unanswered. I feel theres a 45 min longer directors cut that's much smoother and explanatory.

Absolutely in a director's cut. Feels like there's also a whole movie between Last Jedi and this that has Kylo Ren finding the path... and it's probably better than how this turned out.

[megladon8]

Allegedly there is a 4 hour director's cut.

I'd be curious to see that.

But this was perhaps the worst Star Wars movie. Maybe Clones is worse, I don't know. I'd currently rather run a cheese grater across my underballs than rewatch either of them.

The Skywalker Saga has 4 good movies. Less than 50% batting average...but damn those 4 are good.

[Dukefrukem]

Now we know where those Obi-Wan connections came from

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[Dead & Messed Up]

I swear, Rey Nobody would've been just fine and coherent and consistent with the prior two movies. Honest to Jom.

[Skitch]

I swear, Rey Nobody would've been just fine and coherent and consistent with the prior two movies. Honest to Jom.

Agreed.

[megladon8]

Yep.

Disney not having confidence in their own creative teams with the Star Wars stuff has been the most frustrating part of all of this.

[[ETM]]

They should pull a DC and release an alternative cut of Rise of Skywalker, only it's a completely different movie shot from scratch.

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[megladon8]

;626514']They should pull a DC and release an alternative cut of Rise of Skywalker, only it's a completely different movie shot from scratch.

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I'm curious to see Abrams' original cut which was over 4 hours.

[Skitch]

I'm curious to see Abrams' original cut which was over 4 hours.

That time could sure smooth some stuff out and clear up some questions.

[[ETM]]

I'm curious to see Abrams' original cut which was over 4 hours.But that would just be more of the thing that should be done from scratch. :D

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[transmogrifier]

I would trash the entire trilogy and start all over again. Focus on an aging Luke right from the start and follow as he recruits a group of new characters for a specific reason that is "resolved" in movie 1, then have someone from that group evolve into the antagonist for the remaining two films as the new characters face split loyalties, betrayal, finding their inner strength etc, and then let one of those characters slowly emerge as the new hero by the end of the third movie.

Or you could just have another go at a Death Star, I guess.

[megladon8]

How about Lucas' original pitch of episode 9 ending with Han and Leia discovering an empty planet and colonizing it, calling it "Earth"?

Brilliant.

[Skitch]

I would trash the entire trilogy and start all over again. Focus on an aging Luke right from the start and follow as he recruits a group of new characters for a specific reason that is "resolved" in movie 1, then have someone from that group evolve into the antagonist for the remaining two films as the new characters face split loyalties, betrayal, finding their inner strength etc, and then let one of those characters slowly emerge as the new hero by the end of the third movie.

Or you could just have another go at a Death Star, I guess.

That would be the Jedi Academy trilogy books. It wouldve been great (as I recall). Hell, most the books they wrote post ROTJ wouldve been fantastic. But no, as usual, instead of using any of the blueprints, Hollywood had to reinvent the wheel and just wing it. *roll eyes*

[Skitch]

How about Lucas' original pitch of episode 9 ending with Han and Leia discovering an empty planet and colonizing it, calling it "Earth"?

Brilliant.

Was that his idea for real??? Blech

[Dukefrukem]

How about Lucas' original pitch of episode 9 ending with Han and Leia discovering an empty planet and colonizing it, calling it "Earth"?

Brilliant.

Except we dont have starships today so what would be the point of that?

[Dukefrukem]

I want a Star Wars trilogy from a Sith perspective.

[megladon8]

Except we dont have starships today so what would be the point of that?

Exactly.

So stupid it's brilliant.

[Ezee E]

I want a Star Wars trilogy from a Sith perspective.

This.

[[ETM]]

The Sith are just as dumb as the Jedi. The only truly interesting way forward would have been blurring the lines with some take on the Gray concept.

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[Dukefrukem]

;626555']The Sith are just as dumb as the Jedi. The only truly interesting way forward would have been blurring the lines with some take on the Gray concept.

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The original break off of the Sith would be an interesting story to tell too.

It's so funny that if you ONLY have watched the movies, you have no idea about that Darth Maul line in the Phantom Menace.

[Ezee E]

I feel like things are at a standstill for SW going forward outside of the Mandalorian.

[Skitch]

I feel like things are at a standstill for SW going forward outside of the Mandalorian.

And Obi-Wan.

[Wryan]

Or you could just have another go at a Death Star, I guess.

Have red beams come out both sides of it. The Darth Maul of Death Stars. The crossover everyone has been asking for!

[DFA1979]

I would trash the entire trilogy and start all over again. Focus on an aging Luke right from the start and follow as he recruits a group of new characters for a specific reason that is "resolved" in movie 1, then have someone from that group evolve into the antagonist for the remaining two films as the new characters face split loyalties, betrayal, finding their inner strength etc, and then let one of those characters slowly emerge as the new hero by the end of the third movie.

Or you could just have another go at a Death Star, I guess.All of that would have worked so much better and you could still have Han show up for only one movie, too.

[Dukefrukem]

Hahha. Something I just realized through browsing Stars Wars stuff.

Palpatine wanted Rey to kill him at the end of this movie. Why?

[Skitch]

Hahha. Something I just realized through browsing Stars Wars stuff.

Palpatine wanted Rey to kill him at the end of this movie. Why?

To become a Sith and inhabit her body.

[Dukefrukem]

To become a Sith and inhabit her body.

So when she killed him, why didn't he do that? Did he forget?

lol

[Skitch]

So when she killed him, why didn't he do that? :lol: Did he forget?

I guess because she didn't kill him in anger, but love lol