Attack-Free Unpopular Opinion Thread

[Skitch]

Love Jackie Brown. Caught half of it on pluto last week.

[Philip J. Fry]

Same.

[transmogrifier]

Jackie Brown is my least favorite Tarantino. So flabby.

[megladon8]

Steak dinner

Pulp Fiction
Inglourious Basterds

A good juicy burger

Jackie Brown

A lukewarm hot dog

Kill Bill Vol. 1
Reservoir Dogs
Django Unchained

Pepperoni stuck to the top of the pizza box

Kill Bill Vol. 2
Death Proof

[Idioteque Stalker]

This thread is safe space so I’ll just come out with it: pepperoni stuck to the top of a pizza box > a lukewarm hot dog.

[megladon8]

Theory:

Idioteque Stalker is a raccoon.

[baby doll]

Reservoir Dogs (1992) warm
True Romance (1993) warm
Natural Born Killers (1994) cold
Pulp Fiction (1994) spicy
Jackie Brown (1997) spicy
Kill Bill (2003-04) mild
Sin City (2005) cold
Death Proof (2007) cold
Inglourious Basterds (2009) warm
Django Unchained (2012) mild
Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood (2019) mild

[Skitch]

Natural Born Killers is crap

[megladon8]

Natural Born Killers is crap

Used to think so, but rewatched last year and was blown away. Kinds loved it.

But I was just counting the stuff QT directed, BTW.

[Mr. McGibblets]

Rum Punch is good. I remember the one scene (shown thrice) in Jackie Brown and that's about it.

[Mal]

Natural Born Killers is crap

Its insane but I love it.

[Philip J. Fry]

Natural Born Killers is crap
I've not seen that one, so I'll change it to True Romance.

[Skitch]

True Romance is fucking amazing.

[Scar]

I've not seen that one, so I'll change it to True Romance.

*throws down gauntlet*

[Idioteque Stalker]

True Romance and Natural Born Killers both suck, but Natural Born Killers sucks more.

[DFA1979]

Reservoir Dogs (1992)-8.5 or 9 depending on my mood
True Romance (1993)-8.5
Natural Born Killers (1994)-10
Pulp Fiction (1994)-10
Jackie Brown (1997)-9
Kill Bill (2003-04)-8.5 and a 9.5
Sin City (2005)-8
Death Proof (2007)-8 or 8.5 but probably an 8
Inglourious Basterds (2009)-9.5
Django Unchained (2012)-10
The Hateful Eight (2015)-9.5
Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood (2019)-9.5

[Skitch]

Which thread am I in? Oh the attack free one.

Boondock Saints is better than Natural Born Killers haha (bear in mind I didn't say a score for either)

[DFA1979]

Boondock Saints-7.5
The sequel-4 and that's being generous

[Skitch]

I need to rewatch that. I remember feeling like it was similar to the anna Paquin Darkness or jurassic world 2, where the movie mostly sucked but the ending really setup something awesome

[Dukefrukem]

I think these are my current rankings. I think I love Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood because it feels so different than the rest.

1.Pulp Fiction
2.Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
3.The Hateful Eight
4.Inglourious Basterds
5.Death Proof
6.Reservoir Dogs
7.Kill Bill: Vol. 1
Kill Bill: Vol. 2
8.Kill Bill: Vol. 2
9.Django Unchained
10.Jackie Brown

Also a coincidence I just had my Pulp Fiction Laurent Durieux framed for my office. Number 750 of ~2800.
Trying to decide which to frame next in my collection.

https://i.ibb.co/JRcY2j4/pulpfiction.png

[Yxklyx]

I think these are my current rankings. I think I love Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood because it feels so different than the rest.

1.Pulp Fiction
2.Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood

Same here. I think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood feels different because there's no violence at all until the final moments. I kept waiting and waiting and waiting... :)

[Scar]

Once Upon a Time felt very slow on the first viewing, but the second viewing it felt like a more natural flow, if that makes any sense.

[DFA1979]

See I loved OUATIH. The final act is just fantastic but the rest of the movie is something you either vibe with or you think is boring.

Also Brad Pitt high talking to the Manson family members is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in a movie.

[Spun Lepton]

I haven't watched a single Tarantino movie since Death Proof pissed me right the hell off in the theater. Yes, it pissed me off that much. So, I haven't seen Django, IB, Hateful 8, or OUTIH.

[megladon8]

I haven't watched a single Tarantino movie since Death Proof pissed me right the hell off in the theater. Yes, it pissed me off that much. So, I haven't seen Django, IB, Hateful 8, or OUTIH.

You mean you didn't enjoy endless, boring discussions of car chase movies where the characters are clearly only there for QT to flex his film knowledge to an audience who DGAF?

[Spun Lepton]

You mean you didn't enjoy endless, boring discussions of car chase movies where the characters are clearly only there for QT to flex his film knowledge to an audience who DGAF?

THANK YOU. Looks like I can't give you any more rep, so pseudo-rep for that comment.

[Idioteque Stalker]

I haven't seen Death Proof since the Grindhouse double feature in theaters, after the brownies had REALLY kicked in. But meg's description checks out in my hazy memory.

[megladon8]

I'm not saying Planet Terror was great, but it was at least quick paced and goofily self aware.

Death Proof brought the momentum to a grinding halt and made the whole double feature thing feel eternal..

It was the opposite of what it should have been.

[Spun Lepton]

Since we're in this thread, I haven't enjoyed a single David Lynch movie I've seen. I've seen Eraserhead, (most of) The Elephant Man, Dune, Wild at Heart, and a handful of episodes of Twin Peaks. Dude just doesn't do it for me. People keep telling me to see Blue Velvet, but Lynch has 0 track record with me. I strongly doubt it'll be the one.

[Dukefrukem]

The dialog in Death Proof is sex.

[megladon8]

Since we're in this thread, I haven't enjoyed a single David Lynch movie I've seen. I've seen Eraserhead, (most of) The Elephant Man, Dune, Wild at Heart, and a handful of episodes of Twin Peaks. Dude just doesn't do it for me. People keep telling me to see Blue Velvet, but Lynch has 0 track record with me. I strongly doubt it'll be the one.

I would actually be more inclined to recommend you Mulholland Dr.

I think you'd really like it.

Avoid Inland Empire like the plague.

[Skitch]

Avoid Inland Empire like the plague.

Like a plague that has a plague.

Quite enjoy Death Proof as an experiment. Planet Terror was a caricature of grindhouse movies, Death Proof IS a grindhouse movie. Most grindhouse movies are shitty and talky. I think the combo of the two films is a fascinating conversation about how one director views grindhouse, and the other knows it (far too) well enough to make a film with the genres exact tones.

[megladon8]

Just to clarify, I actually really like Inland Empire.

I just think that judging by Spun's experience with Lynch so far, it would be the epitome of everything he hasn't liked so far.

[Skitch]

Uh, to clarify, I think Inland Empire is a terrific 30 minute film trapped in a five hour dumpster juice fire shitshow.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Since we're in this thread, I haven't enjoyed a single David Lynch movie I've seen. I've seen Eraserhead, (most of) The Elephant Man, Dune, Wild at Heart, and a handful of episodes of Twin Peaks. Dude just doesn't do it for me. People keep telling me to see Blue Velvet, but Lynch has 0 track record with me. I strongly doubt it'll be the one.

In that case, I'd say your best bet is The Straight Story because it's so non-Lynchian.

[DFA1979]

Aww I liked Death Proof. Sure it's QT's worst movie but Kurt Russell is great as a slasher villain and I liked all of the female characters. Plus the soundtrack rules.

I love all the Lynch I've seen but I have not seen Dune or The Straight Story.

[transmogrifier]

Death Proof is easily Tarantino’s third best film. Planet Terror is Rodriguez’s best

[StuSmallz]

The dialog in Death Proof is sex....with a cactus.

[transmogrifier]

I haven't watched a single Tarantino movie since Death Proof pissed me right the hell off in the theater. Yes, it pissed me off that much. So, I haven't seen Django, IB, Hateful 8, or OUTIH.

Death Proof is better than all of those.

[Skitch]

Death Proof is better than all of those.

I like...half of those better than Death Proof, but its really splitting hairs for me. Stopping at Death Proof is a bad decision, Spun, those movies are dope.

[StuSmallz]

Reservoir Dogs: 7.5
Pulp Fiction: (https://letterboxd.com/stusmallz/film/pulp-fiction/)9
Jackie Brown: (https://letterboxd.com/stusmallz/film/jackie-brown/)9
Kill Bill, Vol. 1: 7.5
Kill Bill, Vol. 2: 9
Death Proof: 6.5
Inglourious Basterds: (https://letterboxd.com/stusmallz/film/inglourious-basterds/)6.5
Django Unchained: 6.5
The Hateful Eight: 6.75
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood: (https://letterboxd.com/stusmallz/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/) 8

[Philip J. Fry]

Frank Sobotka is a top 10 character of The Wire.

[Ezee E]

Frank Sobotka is a top 10 character of The Wire.

Is there anyone that doesn't like Sobotka? Usually not in the favorites, but always well-liked

[Philip J. Fry]

Is there anyone that doesn't like Sobotka? Usually not in the favorites, but always well-likedThey do like him, but rarely have him on the upper echelon. Perhaps because people associate him with probably the most divisive of The Wire's seasons?

[Philip J. Fry]

The Great Mouse Detective is great and all, but it would've been better if both Basil and Rattigan..

Had fallen to their deaths

[Idioteque Stalker]

The Great Mouse Detective is great and all, but it would've been better if both Basil and Rattigan..

Had fallen to their deaths

I haven't seen the movie, but that was unexpected haha.

[Ezee E]

They do like him, but rarely have him on the upper echelon. Perhaps because people associate him with probably the most divisive of The Wire's seasons?

Apart from Ziggy, this season hits much better on a rewatch after seeing the full series. To the point that I think it's even better than Season 1.

[transmogrifier]

Apart from Ziggy, this season hits much better on a rewatch after seeing the full series. To the point that I think it's even better than Season 1.

3 > 1 > 2 = 4 >> 5

[Philip J. Fry]

Apart from Ziggy, this season hits much better on a rewatch after seeing the full series. To the point that I think it's even better than Season 1.Agreed for the most part except for one thing:

Ziggy is a great character /hotTake


3 > 1 > 2 = 4 >> 54>3>1=2>5

[Ezee E]

Why is Ziggy a great character to you?

[Skitch]

I want the original cast of JAG to cameo in the new Top Gun movie.

[DFA1979]

The Great Mouse Detective is great and all, but it would've been better if both Basil and Rattigan..

Had fallen to their deaths

Dark but fair.

[quido8_5]

Frank Sobotka is a top 10 character of The Wire.

Frank is a good character, who'd be in your top five? Ziggy is one of the most annoying characters in modern TV.

Seasons:

3 > 1 > 4 > 2 >>> 5

Characters:
1) Stringer
2) Bubbles
3) Omar
4) Sonja
5) Bunk

[Philip J. Fry]

Why is Ziggy a great character to you?Partly for his realism/plausibility (I've known a lot of buffoons and tough-guy wannabes in my lifetime) and his heartbreaking downfall. He is annoying and stupid (partly why a lot of people don't like his character, but I always thought that was the point. While you can argue that his brashness is why everyone takes him as complete joke, I think the show implies that this is an act initially brought as a way to get his father's attention gone horribly, horribly wrong, and what makes this even more tragic is that there are several instances in which he shows he actually has some potential as a person: he seems more savvy with modern technology than his cousin Nick, has some instances of wit and can even concoct some decent schemes (like when he stole those cars), but thanks to a combination of factors within and beyond his power, he becomes a ticking bomb and brings up his own downfall. In many ways, he's an updated version of Franky from Springsteen's Highway Patrolman.

[Philip J. Fry]

Frank is a good character, who'd be in your top five? Ziggy is one of the most annoying characters in modern TV.

Seasons:

3 > 1 > 4 > 2 >>> 5

Characters:
1) Stringer
2) Bubbles
3) Omar
4) Sonja
5) BunkOmar, Bubbles, Lester, Stringer Bell and probably Bunk.

[Skitch]

I have never watched The Wire.

[Philip J. Fry]

I have never watched The Wire.In my opinion, you would enjoy it.

[baby doll]

I have never watched The Wire.Neither have I.

[Idioteque Stalker]

In my typical fashion, I tried one episode (because of its reputation, see also: Mad Men, the Sopranos) and immediately dropped it when that 1% of the full package didn't blow me away. I'm not good at tv.

[DFA1979]

I've seen most of S1 of The Wire. What I saw was really great.

[Philip J. Fry]

In my typical fashion, I tried one episode (because of its reputation, see also: Mad Men, the Sopranos) and immediately dropped it when that 1% of the full package didn't blow me away. I'm not good at tv.It's impossible to make a fair assessment of that particular show with a single episode. You need to watch at least the first season.

[Philip J. Fry]

Neither have I.

In my opinion, you would enjoy it.



I've seen most of S1 of The Wire. What I saw was really great.I hope you continue with it. Would love to see your assessment.

[Idioteque Stalker]

It's impossible to make a fair assessment of that particular show with a single episode. You need to watch at least the first season.

I believe you. This is why I'm bad at tv.

[Philip J. Fry]

I believe you. This is why I'm bad at tv.I'mma strap you to a chair and put the whole first season until you learn yer TV.
Don't worry, I'll make popcorn.

[transmogrifier]

I believe you. This is why I'm bad at tv.

I just don't have the time for TV. I envy everyone on here who can plunk themselves down and watch the 764th Marvel show of the year.

[Scar]

I'mma strap you to a chair and put the whole first season until you learn yer TV.
Don't worry, I'll make popcorn.

I’ll bring the eye drops.

[DFA1979]

I hope you continue with it. Would love to see your assessment.

I should go just buy the box set of it although my local library probably has all the seasons anyways.

[DFA1979]

My new one btw is that WW84 is almost as good as the first Wonder Woman. Better? No but I really enjoyed it a lot.

[Philip J. Fry]

I should go just buy the box set of it although my local library probably has all the seasons anyways.Do you have HBO Max? 'Cause it's very likely to be there.

[Idioteque Stalker]

I just don't have the time for TV. I envy everyone on here who can plunk themselves down and watch the 764th Marvel show of the year.

It's more an opportunity cost thing for me. Sacrificing 5-10 movies worth of screen time for a show I may or may not like isn't my jam.



I'mma strap you to a chair and put the whole first season until you learn yer TV.

My Paranoia Agent bluray set arrived. I promise I'll give this one an honest try.

[DFA1979]

Do you have HBO Max? 'Cause it's very likely to be there.

No I'm too broke for another streaming service.

[Philip J. Fry]

It's more an opportunity cost thing for me. Sacrificing 5-10 movies worth of screen time for a show I may or may not like isn't my jam.If there's a show that's worth the shot, it's The Wire.

My Paranoia Agent bluray set arrived. I promise I'll give this one an honest try.Gotta watch that myself.

No I'm too broke for another streaming service.I feel you.

[Dukefrukem]

I just don't have the time for TV. I envy everyone on here who can plunk themselves down and watch the 764th Marvel show of the year.

It's funny you would call out Marvel because most of their TV episodes are barely 30 minutes. WandaVision the first couple are 22-24 min. Do you have time for dinner?

The Wire is 60 full on 60+ minutes each episode.

[Irish]

It's more an opportunity cost thing for me. Sacrificing 5-10 movies worth of screen time for a show I may or may not like isn't my jam.

This doesn't make sense to me. (... bc how many hours have you sunk into Returnal?)

Taken to its illogical conclusion, it means you wouldn't have time for anything, bc everything in adult life is a trade off. Eating and sleeping cut into your movie watching time. So does going out with friends or reading a book. So do other movies --- 5 bad movies waste the opportunity to watch 5 good movies.

[Idioteque Stalker]

This doesn't make sense to me. (... bc how many hours have you sunk into Returnal?)

Taken to its illogical conclusion, it means you wouldn't have time for anything, bc everything in adult life is a trade off. Eating and sleeping cut into your movie watching time. So does going out with friends or reading a book. So do other movies --- 5 bad movies waste the opportunity to watch 5 good movies.

These would be fair points except I already know I like Returnal, eating, sleeping, etc. Those things have the benefit of revealing their pleasures early on. TV requires what I consider an inordinate amount of time invested before I can make a fair judgment (I have to watch all of the first season of the Wire, get to season four of Mad Men, etc.). All of my favorite TV shows are comedies (it made me laugh so I'll watch another episode a la Curb Your Enthusiasm/Futurama/Nathan For You), series in which the episodes stand on their own (Star Trek/Twilight Zone/Jeopardy), or are only one season long (Freaks and Geeks/Horace and Pete). The huge prestige dramas of the past 25 years may never be a part of my world unless a partner drags me along for the ride.

EDIT: Re-reading this, haha Returnal, eating, sleeping, etc. You know, the essentials.

[megladon8]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion because I can't remember anyone really talking about it, but the T2 special edition cut is a big step down.

Theatrical all the way.

[StanleyK]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion because I can't remember anyone really talking about it, but the T2 special edition cut is a big step down.

Theatrical all the way.

Yeah the ending where John Connor becomes a senator and the Kyle Reese dream are pretty ridiculous. However the Aliens extended edition is better than the theatrical. I always wonder if I feel that way because I saw the extended version of Aliens first but the theatrical of T2 first.

[Skitch]

There is one T2 cut that is too long with weird old makeup on Sarah. There was a different extended cut that I do like, only added a couple things. I don't remember the Kyle senator bit though.

I'll never watch theatrical cuts of Aliens or The Abyss again.

[Dukefrukem]

Yeah the ending where John Connor becomes a senator

Wait what? When you wrote this first part I thought you were joking.

Anyway, everyone knows the Director's Cut and/or Ultimate Cut are the best cuts.

You NEED that extended garage scene and the malfunctioning T-1000.

[Skitch]

Yeah that extended garage scene has some serious moviemaking tricks that are sooooo cool.

[megladon8]

Most of the added stuff in the ultimate edition is pretty cringe.

The Kyle Reese dream sequence is awful.

Attempts to flesh out Dyson are phony and grind the movie to a halt.

Theatrical all the way.

[Dukefrukem]

It's not cringe at all.

This dream sequence is just 50 additional seconds / an extension of the LA disaster scene so it leads right into Sarah's concern for the future. Shows that she never gave up on what Reese taught her. There isn't one other mention about Reese in the theatrical version so giving him 50 seconds is fine.

https://i.ibb.co/t4JGLXk/T2dream.png

The added Dyson scene is great because it shows just how extravagant his life is in 1992, yet he's completely dedicated to cracking the CPU unit they found (Working on Sunday, by the beach). Without this scene he just looks like a regular guy.

https://i.ibb.co/yq6mhy1/T2dyson.png

[Skitch]

I don't mind those scenes but I'd lose both of those before the garage bit.

[megladon8]

Giving him 50 seconds is fine. But the dialogue and exchange is awful.

I physically winced with his "on your feet soldier!"

Ugh.

[Dukefrukem]

Giving him 50 seconds is fine. But the dialogue and exchange is awful.

I physically winced with his "on your feet soldier!"

Ugh.

True. That was a bit much. They probably should have done a second take with that scene. But you know that's a callback to the first movie right?

[Lazlo]

These would be fair points except I already know I like Returnal, eating, sleeping, etc. Those things have the benefit of revealing their pleasures early on. TV requires what I consider an inordinate amount of time invested before I can make a fair judgment (I have to watch all of the first season of the Wire, get to season four of Mad Men, etc.). All of my favorite TV shows are comedies (it made me laugh so I'll watch another episode a la Curb Your Enthusiasm/Futurama/Nathan For You), series in which the episodes stand on their own (Star Trek/Twilight Zone/Jeopardy), or are only one season long (Freaks and Geeks/Horace and Pete). The huge prestige dramas of the past 25 years may never be a part of my world unless a partner drags me along for the ride.

EDIT: Re-reading this, haha Returnal, eating, sleeping, etc. You know, the essentials.

I could be wrong, but my guess is you won't need to watch the whole first season of The Wire to know if you like The Wire. You'll like it and wanna watch more pretty quickly... or you won't. It's good from the word go if it's your thing.

[megladon8]

True. That was a bit much. They probably should have done a second take with that scene. But you know that's a callback to the first movie right?

Yes.

[transmogrifier]

It's funny you would call out Marvel because most of their TV episodes are barely 30 minutes. WandaVision the first couple are 22-24 min. Do you have time for dinner?

The Wire is 60 full on 60+ minutes each episode.

I call out Marvel because they have 764 new shows a year. I have no opinion on the quality or length of episodes, because I haven't watched a single second of any of them.

For me, a TV show is a commitment that I can't be bothered with at the moment. Here is a list of current TV shows that I actively follow (i.e.. watch episodes/seasons as soon as possible after they come out):

- Rick and Morty, mostly. (Still only watched the first 2 episodes of S5 though)
- Better Call Saul, kind of. (Still haven't watched the last season)

And that's it. I'm interested in some current shows (e.g., Mare of Easttown, The White Lotus, I May Destroy You, Fleabag, Barry) but haven't gotten round to them yet. My wife and I are not big on watching TV shows during dinner - we prefer the news or current affairs stuff.

[Dukefrukem]

Sorry I didn't mean to imply watching TV during dinner. Just that a 24 minute episode is probably shorter than how it takes most people to make and eat dinner. If you have time for dinner, you have time for Marvel TV.

[transmogrifier]

Sorry I didn't mean to imply watching TV during dinner. Just that a 24 minute episode is probably shorter than how it takes most people to make and eat dinner. If you have time for dinner, you have time for Marvel TV.

Gotcha.

[DFA1979]

Yeah the ending where John Connor becomes a senator and the Kyle Reese dream are pretty ridiculous. However the Aliens extended edition is better than the theatrical. I always wonder if I feel that way because I saw the extended version of Aliens first but the theatrical of T2 first.

Hah I forgot all about that stuff. Especially the Senator Connor part.

[megladon8]

The Cell > Inception

[baby doll]

The Cell > InceptionThat shouldn't be an unpopular opinion.

[megladon8]

That shouldn't be an unpopular opinion.

Do you like The Cell?

Or would just take it over Inception?

[baby doll]

Do you like The Cell?

Or would just take it over Inception?I haven't seen it in close to twenty years, but I liked it quite a bit at the time, and Singh's subsequent film, The Fall (which I haven't seen since it was in theatres), may be even better.

[megladon8]

I've been dying to rewatch The Fall.

What did you think of Immortals?

[baby doll]

What did you think of Immortals?I haven't seen it.

[Skitch]

The Fall is masterpiece and I will die on that mountain.

[DFA1979]

The Fall and Immortals are both cool and really good. I haven't seen The Cell yet.

[transmogrifier]

Celebrity Skin-era Courtney Love was smoking hot.

And Celebrity Skin is one of the best albums of the late 90s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0CYB5V9e64

[Skitch]

I'm with that

[Dukefrukem]

If that's not the equivalent of female flannel I dont know what is. It's perfect grunge.

[Skitch]

I LIKE the prequel trilogy. I have extremely strong memories tied to them. Even if ep2 is the worst Star War made, it was my first fully digital theater trip and I left theater mind blown at the audio/visual experience.

Do they have faults, cinematically? Child please, of course. But there is something to be said about memories so visceral you can recall the smell of the room.

[Dukefrukem]

I LIKE the prequel trilogy. I have extremely strong memories tied to them. Even if ep2 is the worst Star War made, it was my first fully digital theater trip and I left theater mind blown at the audio/visual experience.

Do they have faults, cinematically? Child please, of course. But there is something to be said about memories so visceral you can recall the smell of the room.

Dude. Phantom Menace is better than most of the new movies even WITH Jar Jar and the diplomatic crap. Better cast, better journey, better finale.

[Skitch]

YUP

I read an interesting take the other day. Considering how Disney was handling the sequel trilogy (go go go just make it up as you go), what the hell was Rian supposed to do? It's JJs fault for the ep8 Luke haters (of which I am not). JJ put Luke in exile. It fell to Rian for the reasons and path back (and he did amazing).

[Dukefrukem]

YUP

I read an interesting take the other day. Considering how Disney was handling the sequel trilogy (go go go just make it up as you go), what the hell was Rian supposed to do? It's JJs fault for the ep8 Luke haters (of which I am not). JJ put Luke in exile. It fell to Rian for the reasons and path back (and he did amazing).

In context you can give a lot of credit to Johnson, but the movie is joyless and a slog. It's the one I'd want to rewatch the LEAST out of the new movies. Rise of Skywalker is a watch party travesty of a good time.

[Mal]

Jennifer's Body is going to be added to the Criterion streaming service for October- and am I here to say the movie sucks big time. A friend of mine begged on twitter for a Criterion release. BullSHIT.

[megladon8]

Jennifer's Body is going to be added to the Criterion streaming service for October- and am I here to say the movie sucks big time. A friend of mine begged on twitter for a Criterion release. BullSHIT.

Isn't this supposed to be unpopular opinions?

[Mal]

Isn't this supposed to be unpopular opinions?

LOL. You don't use twitter much, do you? The movie has had essays and t-shirts made touting how "great" it is. Major re-evaluation fandom.

[Skitch]

Isn't this supposed to be unpopular opinions?

I've noticed a LOT of love for that movie online lately. I completely agree with mal, its a piece of shit.

[Idioteque Stalker]

I pushed back on the hate (which was rampant) when it came out. I enjoyed it in a somewhat ironic way. Haven't seen it since. A part of me feels vindicated that it has been reevaluated, but the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

To stay on topic, however: Jennifer's Body > Juno

[megladon8]

No, I do not have any social media.

Stuff like this is partly why LOL

[Mal]

No, I do not have any social media.

Stuff like this is partly why LOL

LOL, understood.

[Dukefrukem]

I dont know how Jennifer's Body ever came to this. I don't get it.

[Ezee E]

The love of the movie now is what the hype for the movie was before it came out.

Those who have actually seen the movie know the truth.

Let the truth free.

[Ezee E]

The love of the movie now is what the hype for the movie was before it came out.

Those who have actually seen the movie know the truth.

Let the truth free.

[Ivan Drago]

I don't know if I'll ever see Jennifer's Body, but the fact this scene in it exists with this actor will never not be hilarious to me:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EzG7J4xodk

[megladon8]

Through the magic of plastic surgery, Megan Fox went from looking like Angelina Jolie's baby sister, to a long lost Kardashian sister.

[transmogrifier]

The Phantom Menace > The Last Jedi

[transmogrifier]

Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that mainstream movie criticism is absolutely totally shit and almost all reviewers have been absorbed into the studio hivemind and are willing to uncritically give crappy mainstream product a pass. This prevailing idea that it is mean to criticize a film that just wants to be fun and that people should be able to like what they like without feeling bad about it (the logical fallacy here being the idea that not liking what someone else likes and saying so is offensive to them - utter bullshit) has totally destroyed criticism as a genre of writing.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that mainstream movie criticism is absolutely totally shit and almost all reviewers have been absorbed into the studio hivemind and are willing to uncritically give crappy mainstream product a pass. This prevailing idea that it is mean to criticize a film that just wants to be fun and that people should be able to like what they like without feeling bad about it (the logical fallacy here being the idea that not liking what someone else likes and saying so is offensive to them - utter bullshit) has totally destroyed criticism as a genre of writing.

Martin Scorsese over here like, "Preach brother!"

[Skitch]

Everyone wants their 3 word phrase on the trailer/poster/marketing, and it's revolting. If Bloody Disgusting endorses something, I know it's shit.

[baby doll]

Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that mainstream movie criticism is absolutely totally shit and almost all reviewers have been absorbed into the studio hivemind and are willing to uncritically give crappy mainstream product a pass. This prevailing idea that it is mean to criticize a film that just wants to be fun and that people should be able to like what they like without feeling bad about it (the logical fallacy here being the idea that not liking what someone else likes and saying so is offensive to them - utter bullshit) has totally destroyed criticism as a genre of writing.I suspect there's a direct correlation between the increasing number of reviewers who work as freelancers and reviewers' unwillingness to take unpopular positions, which only reinforces the desire of mainstream audiences to be coddled by both the films they watch and the reviews they read of those films.

It's depressing to talk to young people about movies because they have such a limited conception of what movies can be. When I was a teenager, you could watch films by Ingmar Bergman, Bernardo Bertolucci, Luis Buñuel, Federico Fellini, Pier Paolo Pasolini, François Truffaut, and Jean Vigo on regular television; those directors were still part of the conversation. But the kids today only know Marvel and Netflix movies, so if you show them a Bergman film, they can't engage with it.

[Skitch]

Is there any blame/correlation to be made with the MPAA in this? Considering they are made up of studio heads and they dictate what can be more widely released?

[Ezee E]

I suspect there's a direct correlation between the increasing number of reviewers who work as freelancers and reviewers' unwillingness to take unpopular positions, which only reinforces the desire of mainstream audiences to be coddled by both the films they watch and the reviews they read of those films.

It's depressing to talk to young people about movies because they have such a limited conception of what movies can be. When I was a teenager, you could watch films by Ingmar Bergman, Bernardo Bertolucci, Luis Buñuel, Federico Fellini, Pier Paolo Pasolini, François Truffaut, and Jean Vigo on regular television; those directors were still part of the conversation. But the kids today only know Marvel and Netflix movies, so if you show them a Bergman film, they can't engage with it.

Besides IFC, what channel showed off any of those directors? Couldn't disagree more with this idea. Streaming brings Criterion Collection, $3 rentals on Amazon to just about everything, film festivals, film festivals that stream... The availability to these directors is easier than ever...

Having said that, I do agree with the weak film criticism these days. If it's not giving movies a pass out of kindness, it's a rush to get read first, a scream of Oscar as a way to positively discuss a movie, or even worse... the social commentary to fit one's beliefs. There's some decent banter on twitter, but there's certainly no reviews that I anticipate to read.

[transmogrifier]

If it's not giving movies a pass out of kindness....

A trend I have noticed is that criticizing mainstream product seems to get a much more vitriolic pushback these days, as if not liking the latest Marvel is simply a symptom of being a buzzkill or a needless contrarian. There is nothing I despise more in discussing films than someone getting angry that someone doesn't like something they do and reply with something along the lines of "it's supposed to be fun! Why are you so picky?".

Like, there are plenty of fun, unpretentious mainstream movies I love - Speed, Hot Rod, Austin Powers 2, Waterworld etc. But also plenty that I don't - because they are not created equal (e.g., these days, there seems to be a drift towards interminable bloat in action films, such as F9, where the weightless, over-the-top action is spaced out with somber, overly serious melodrama, creating severe pacing problems - an action film has to have rhythm, for God's sake! But complain about it and you are just being a pretentious nerd who can't let anyone else have any fun. I mean....no matter what I say, you are still allowed to like the movie, so why so defensive?)

[Idioteque Stalker]

Sorry trans but you don't get to come in here and hide a statement like "I love Waterworld" inside a larger post with several good points. I refuse to let that one slip by.

[transmogrifier]

Sorry trans but you don't get to come in here and hide a statement like "I love Waterworld" inside a larger post with several good points. I refuse to let that one slip by.

Check the thread title and then check your privilege, yo!

[Idioteque Stalker]

I'm just bitter because, although I've never seen it, I've wondered for a few years if Waterworld was ripe for re-evaluation -- and you beat me to it. Now I will put it on the watchlist to determine whether or not you're full of crap.

[transmogrifier]

I'm just bitter because, although I've never seen it, I've wondered for a few years if Waterworld was ripe for re-evaluation -- and you beat me to it. Now I will put it on the watchlist to determine whether or not you're full of crap.

Oh, I'm definitely full of crap, but that has no bearing on the quality or otherwise of Waterworld.

[Scar]

Sorry trans but you don't get to come in here and hide a statement like "I love Waterworld" inside a larger post with several good points. I refuse to let that one slip by.

I may have seen Waterwold a few times in theaters….

[baby doll]

Besides IFC, what channel showed off any of those directors? Couldn't disagree more with this idea. Streaming brings Criterion Collection, $3 rentals on Amazon to just about everything, film festivals, film festivals that stream... The availability to these directors is easier than ever...The TV channels were CBC, Bravo! Canada, and Showcase. Also, in 2001, you could walk into a Blockbuster Video in Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia and rent La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc, Belle de jour, and The Scent of Green Papaya on VHS. Obviously there's a lot more available now, and in better quality transfers, but only on niche streaming services like the Criterion Channel and MUBI. There's also a lot of good stuff on Amazon Prime, but it's effectively hidden by the site's interface, which is designed to nudge you to watch the movies and TV shows it wants you to watch. Availability doesn't equal visibility. Back in the day, there was less available but the little that was available was more visible. As a result, the median spectator in 2001 was more knowledgeable about film and more adventurous in their selections than the median spectator in 2021.

[Skitch]

Sorry trans but you don't get to come in here and hide a statement like "I love Waterworld" inside a larger post with several good points. I refuse to let that one slip by.

Oh it did not slip by. I was just gonna hi5 a fellow fan and move on.

[StuSmallz]

Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that mainstream movie criticism is absolutely totally shit and almost all reviewers have been absorbed into the studio hivemind and are willing to uncritically give crappy mainstream product a pass. This prevailing idea that it is mean to criticize a film that just wants to be fun and that people should be able to like what they like without feeling bad about it (the logical fallacy here being the idea that not liking what someone else likes and saying so is offensive to them - utter bullshit) has totally destroyed criticism as a genre of writing.Pretty much, and Stellan Skarsgård actually said some things about the commercialization of the film industry recently that I think cuts to the heart of the matter pretty well (and keep in mind, this is a guy who's been in a number of Marvel movies himelf):

https://i.ibb.co/wpGK1GY/FB-IMG-1633154704827.jpg (https://ibb.co/dkCQyC7)

https://i.ibb.co/gzfxPpL/FB-IMG-1633154713624.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Skitch]

It's completely impossible not to read that in his amazing voice and cadence.: D

[Morris Schæffer]

I'm just bitter because, although I've never seen it, I've wondered for a few years if Waterworld was ripe for re-evaluation -- and you beat me to it. Now I will put it on the watchlist to determine whether or not you're full of crap.

Arrow released a wonderful new version about a year or two ago on bluray and 4k which even included the 3 hour long Ulysses cut. I've yet to watch it myself but it got strong reviews for the restoration done on the movie itself. I never found the movie bad really, I suspect that seeing it again wouldn't change my opinion.

[megladon8]

I think I was 8 or 9 when Waterworld came out. I saw it on VHS but I don't remember a thing.

Was it considered straight up bad when it came out, or was it just a huge disappointment with expectations and the insane budget?

[Skitch]

As I recall, it was considered the Battlefield Earth of its time, both in monumental expectations and then in extreme bad reviews. I could be wrong but I think it was the most expensive movie made up to that point.

I remember seeing it when it came out and thinking it was a decent cool 90s action flick. I've seen it several times since and still think so. I caught the extended version one time on broadcast TV and thought I lost my mind because there were so many scenes I had never seen. I can't say if extended better than theatrical as I saw it once on edited TV, but I'd love to check it out again. I will take this stand though, it sure as shit ain't as bad as Battlefield Earth.

[Mysterious Dude]

Waterworld is basically The Road Warrior with boats. It's fun.

[Skitch]

Brian Cox doesn't know how this thread works. (https://bigissue.com/culture/tv/eight-hollywood-a-listers-brian-cox-rinses-logan-roy-style-in-his-new-book/)

[megladon8]

Brian Cox doesn't know how this thread works. (https://bigissue.com/culture/tv/eight-hollywood-a-listers-brian-cox-rinses-logan-roy-style-in-his-new-book/)

Wow. He comes across as quite unpleasant.

[Philip J. Fry]

We should invite him to film Twitter.

[baby doll]

Is anybody really surprised to learn that Edward Norton's a giant douche?

[Skitch]

Is anybody really surprised to learn that Edward Norton's a giant douche?

Stories of him being a douche aren't new, but at that same time from what I've heard its him being persistent/insistent about altering script stuff to make stories/movies better. Maybe he is. Maybe he's trying to make the art better. Maybe hes trying to make the movie better and going about it the wrong way. At any rate, has there been any stories about him doing anything...wrong? Like inappropriate? If so, sure, asshole.

[megladon8]

I think it's pretty disrespectful to try to usurp control from the director / writer / whomever. Which he has done several times. You were hired to act, do that please.

[baby doll]

Stories of him being a douche aren't new, but at that same time from what I've heard its him being persistent/insistent about altering script stuff to make stories/movies better. Maybe he is. Maybe he's trying to make the art better. Maybe hes trying to make the movie better and going about it the wrong way. At any rate, has there been any stories about him doing anything...wrong? Like inappropriate? If so, sure, asshole.The main douche story that I'm aware of is him recutting American History X to give himself more screen time after the studio took the film away from the director.

[Idioteque Stalker]

I don't know about behind-the-scenes stuff, but Norton has a swagger to his style that lends an excitement to his performances -- and suggests he could potentially be a real-life a-hole.

[Skitch]

The main douche story that I'm aware of is him recutting American History X to give himself more screen time after the studio took the film away from the director.

Oh wow...I hadn't heard that. I'm not trying to defend him, I know nothing Jon Snow...but I'm slightly curious about his case because from stories I've heard have been more collaborative conflict than...abusive? Which is a subjective I'm more willing to hear than if abusive. AGAIN...I know nothing

[megladon8]

He also tried to take over The Incredible Hulk, which was a big reason why Marvel didn't want to work with him going forward.

[megladon8]

Some of the songs in Nightmare Before Christmas really suck.

[Dukefrukem]

Fat chicks with black hair get tattoos of me!


https://youtu.be/VINgmYGgG6M?t=28

[DFA1979]

Encouraging people to watch the movies you like and enjoy while also making sure to tell them where to watch them is a better use of your energy. And if they don't watch em, all well at least you tried. In regards to younger people hey as long as they find something they like cinema wise that's fine with me. We are at a period where it is really easy to watch most movies, well at least ones that people younger than me would consider older. That's really nice. Just a thought.

[DFA1979]

Psych is one of the best takes on Sherlock Holmes and is a pretty good show in it's own right.

S4 of the BBC Sherlock may be the worst series in the shows run but the second episode with Toby Jones is one of my favorites from the whole show.

The RDJ/Jude Law Sherlock movies were awesome and I wish they'd make another one.

[Philip J. Fry]

Speed limits are absolute garbage.

[Skitch]

Speed limits are absolute garbage.

*throws flag*

Is this an unpopular opinion?

[Idioteque Stalker]

Speed limits are absolute garbage.

Headboards too.

[StuSmallz]

*throws flag*

Is this an unpopular opinion?Nope; I mean, one of Sammy Hagar's biggest hits was literally about hating having to drive 55!

[DFA1979]

Look speed limits are fine in town but on the highway, eh. I get the whole safety argument but honestly it's just a way for the state to make money off of people.

[Skitch]

Look speed limits are fine in town but on the highway, eh. I get the whole safety argument but honestly it's just a way for the state to make money off of people.

Hate to be a grammar jerk but you misspelled "STEAL".

[Skitch]

Headboards too.

At 6'3", I have more of an issue with footboards.

[Philip J. Fry]

Look speed limits are fine in town but on the highway, eh. I get the whole safety argument but honestly it's just a way for the state to make money off of people.And usually they're so low most people ignore them (I count myself among them) and the ones who do try to stick to them clutter traffic (specially the ones who do so at the fast lane... hate them so much) or are the ones provoking collisions.

[Skitch]

Underrated: Virus with Jamie Lee Curtis. Cool sci-fi and its gory as all hell. If you didn't like it the first time, give it a second try.

[Wryan]

Underrated: Virus with Jamie Lee Curtis. Cool sci-fi and its gory as all hell. If you didn't like it the first time, give it a second try.

Totally agree. Its beats are a little rote, but it's got a great cast and visual imagination.

[Skitch]

Totally agree. Its beats are a little rote, but it's got a great cast and visual imagination.

I'm not calling it a masterpiece or anything, but I get that same scary feeling I did with Terminator, like, "nothing can stop this. we are totally fucked."

[megladon8]

It's the only movie Jamie Lee Curtis regrets making.

[Skitch]

It's the only movie Jamie Lee Curtis regrets making.

Everyone is allowed their opinion (especially in this thread), but she should reconsider a dozen others. Maybe it was a bad work environment sitch.

[StanleyK]

Spider-Man slightly edges out Spider-Man 2 because Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin is a more entertaining and memorable villain than Molina as Doc Ock.

[DFA1979]

Spider-Man 2 is the only Raimi Spider-Man movie I liked.

[StuSmallz]

Spider-Man 2 is the only Raimi Spider-Man movie I liked.Yeah, same; the first one was too campy for its own good (especially in '02), and the third one was, well, the third one, but Spidey 2 was the Goldilocks "just right" for me.

[Skitch]

I like all three, but that's the best way to describe it .

[DFA1979]

Spider-Man 3 might be the most disappointing movie I've ever seen in theaters. Or at least up there.

[Skitch]

Spider-Man 3 might be the most disappointing movie I've ever seen in theaters. Or at least up there.

I saw Godzilla in theaters.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Spider-Man 3 might be the most disappointing movie I've ever seen in theaters. Or at least up there.

It was so nice, I saw it twice.

[Scar]

I saw Godzilla in theaters.

As did I. The friend I saw it with saw it the night before and said it was AWESOME.

We are talking about GINO ‘98, right?

[Skitch]

Yes. We walked out at before the credits.

[baby doll]

We walked out at before the credits.How do you know there were credits if you walked out?

[Scar]

Yes. We walked out at before the credits.

I may have yelled ‘Get Fucked’ or something similar when they killed Godzilla with a handful of missiles fired from jet planes. And I HATE people talking during movies.

[DFA1979]

I've never walked out on a movie cause it was bad. Ever. I stay until the end credits.