Attack-Free Unpopular Opinion Thread

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdbn1i3-N_I
The second opening of The Adventures of Tintin has three bloody perfect match cuts.

[Morris Schæffer]

Tanya Roberts is a babe.

She's a granny now, but still admittedly nice.

[MadMan]

I liked Tanya Roberts in A View To A Kill. Her and Moore had good chemistry together.

Also Grace Jones rules.

[MadMan]

Doctor Who time:

Rose is overrated, the 13th Doctor rocks, Martha is one of the best modern companions and I don't get the hate for Adric whatsoever. Matt Smith gets way too much love, also.

[megladon8]

She's a granny now, but still admittedly nice.

It’s weird how that happens when ~40 years go by.

[Skitch]

Tanya Roberts is a babe.

Oh yeah

[baby doll]

Tanya Roberts is a babe.This is the opposite of an unpopular opinion.

[Skitch]

Sophie Turner is the best thing about the new young X-Men.

[Skitch]

I haven't seen the new season of GoT, but I read spoilers because I don't gaf, but I feel like adverse reactions to whats happening is weird like people haven't been paying attention.

What, you thought this was going to end well? Theres NO good ending that will satisfy crowds. You've built a story on so many story lines as to create audience factions...mathematically you've divided the audience and a complete ending would be a one-in-a-million writing miracle that I just don't see coming from someone who started this mess.

[Peng]

I haven't seen the new season of GoT, but I read spoilers because I don't gaf, but I feel like adverse reactions to whats happening is weird like people haven't been paying attention.

What, you thought this was going to end well? Theres NO good ending that will satisfy crowds. You've built a story on so many story lines as to create audience factions...mathematically you've divided the audience and a complete ending would be a one-in-a-million writing miracle that I just don't see coming from someone who started this mess.

Bolding and amplifying the keyword, because the main thing is that the show's execution when actually watched is so shoddy and illogical in "how" that the "what" feels unearned, thus plot points that make sense in broad story strokes come off nonsensical visually. I see so many similar takes to this and it's kind of a bad-faith assumption when so many equally (if not more) horrific, non-audience-conforming incidents have happened in the show in the past seasons without this much pushback. Lame execution is lame.

[Skitch]

Totally fair. Not judging the execution. Just the plot...turns.

[Peng]

Yeah, I buy the turn just barely because it makes for a compelling story/endgame and the directing and acting are so good, but the writing of the situations surrounding that turn is laughable.

[Grouchy]

Yeah, for the most part, it's not the "what" happens that's alienating watchers - it's the "how". The internal logic of the show used to be awesome and now it's totally broken.

[MadMan]

Sophie Turner is the best thing about the new young X-Men.

I really like the entire young cast. Alexandra Shipp is great as Storm, too. It's a bummer that the whole bunch will get rebooted by Disney down the road-I highly doubt they keep this cast.

[MadMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdbn1i3-N_I
The second opening of The Adventures of Tintin has three bloody perfect match cuts.

That is pretty fantastic.

[Philip J. Fry]

The version of Paul McCartney's Junk that appears in the Beatles' Anthology 3 is much better than the one that ultimately makes it to his debut album McCartney even if they're not that different from each other. The lower-key singing and barebones production give the song a rawness and melancholy that cannot be matched by the later version.

For comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwNaTFlRKY0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qfQ5BEQ2s

[Dukefrukem]

Welcome to Friday. I just found the new person I hate most on this planet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPrkc44oDg

[megladon8]

Rich white kids are the fucking worst.

I bet he listens to The Chainsmokers.

[Skitch]

Isn't it Thursday?

Where does that kid get his money? All YouTube?

[megladon8]

We were stayin’ in Paris
To get away from your parents

[Dukefrukem]

Try to watch this video in full. Try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhyGktnH9rM

[MadMan]

Lost Edition:

All of the seasons are great or near great.
Jack is the best character
I like the entire main cast. Yes, even Shannon and Boone.
Kate is underrated
Locke is overrated
Desmond rules but I am glad he was limited on the show.
Sawyer had the best arc.
The show answered all major questions. And later on wonderfully trolled the whinners.

[Skitch]

Hmm, tv might be fun.

-Dexter: Season One is a perfect arc, and the high water mark for the entire show.
-I would say Rescue Me was the best show. It closes where it opens, every ep can make you cry laughter and cry from the deepest feels of sadness and/or horror. It may not hold up post #metoo but I haven't watched it in a while.
-I still haven't seen the last two seasons of the Sopranos. No reason, just haven't got to it.
-Dragonball Z's dvd set's "marathon mode" was the best feature for tv home video that never caught on. Shame. It cut all intros, outros, credits...anything extra. Episode would end and next title card began.

[MadMan]

I love Dexter S2. I have not finished the last half season of The Sopranos yet. And that DBZ marathon mode thing sounds cool, although I like watching the credits.

[Skitch]

And that DBZ marathon mode thing sounds cool, although I like watching the credits.

Most of the time its not bothersome, but in anime its half the show. Those episodes are literally cut in half when you remove the superfluous stuff.

Ooh I got another one: The season finale of Dexter was perfect. No cheap deaths, left our anti-hero in shambles he probably deserved, he finally felt an emotion, bleak bleak shit that just about all parties earned.

[Scar]

I think this is a popular opinion: Dexter should’ve ended after the John Lithgow season. Perfect ending to the series.

[Ezee E]

That guy has 12 million followers. Unreal.

[Irish]

That guy has 12 million followers. Unreal.

It's an eye-popper until someone in the comments (ahem) points out that the vast majority of those followers are 9 years old.

Cf: Logan Paul, Pew Die Pie, Ninja, Dr. Disrespect.

Basically, these dudes survive by doing a two-bit version of "MTV's Jackass" and demonstrating less talent than Johnny Knoxville.

[Ezee E]

It's an eye-popper until someone in the comments (ahem) points out that the vast majority of those followers are 9 years old.

Cf: Logan Paul, Pew Die Pie, Ninja, Dr. Disrespect.

Basically, these dudes survive by doing a two-bit version of "MTV's Jackass" and demonstrating less talent than Johnny Knoxville.

I get that it's the young demographic, but still, ten years from now, that guy may be a representation of the generation, lol.

[Irish]

I get that it's the young demographic, but still, ten years from now, that guy may be a representation of the generation, lol.

LOL, right?? That's so fucked up I don't even wanna think about it.

Pretty sure Pewds and Ninja are millionaires many times over but occasionally I wonder what the rest of these guys will do when they hit their 40s.

[megladon8]

Meanwhile the YouTube channel I put up detailing all the weird discharge I’ve been experiencing can’t even break into the double digits for followers.

America is truly broken.

[Irish]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOL

OMFG MEG

:D :D :D :D :D

[Skitch]

I would like a link to this youtube. This is my people.

[MadMan]

Most of the time its not bothersome, but in anime its half the show. Those episodes are literally cut in half when you remove the superfluous stuff.

Ooh I got another one: The season finale of Dexter was perfect. No cheap deaths, left our anti-hero in shambles he probably deserved, he finally felt an emotion, bleak bleak shit that just about all parties earned.

Too many shows have recaps, but with streaming and physical media that bit is pointless.

[Skitch]

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is by far the worst Terminator sequel.

[Grouchy]

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is by far the worst Terminator sequel.
I think Genesys fought pretty well for that title.

[Wryan]

I liked the ending of Terminator 3 tho.

(And not just because it was over hyuk-hyuk-hyuk.)

[transmogrifier]

I like Terminator 3.

[MadMan]

I like Terminator 3.

So do I, as I saw it in theaters. I haven't bothered with the rest of the franchise since then.

[MadMan]

LOTRs edition:

Gollum is the most interesting character in the series.

Orlando Bloom rocks and got way too much hate-he was perfectly cast, as was everyone else.

Aragorn is my favorite character now and has the best arc.

Gandalf the White is better than Gandalf the Gray in terms of well, everything. The White is more likable.

I am glad they cut out certain parts of the books. ROTK was long enough.

I almost like The Two Towers as much as Fellowship. I still go with ROTK being the best one.

The Hobbits rule and I am so glad Aragorn gave them credit in the end.

[MadMan]

Friday the 13th time:

3 is overrated. 8 is underrated.

Jason X is garbage-I have no idea why people like that one. It's not even funny.

4 and 6 are equally awesome. 2 however is the best pure entry in the series in terms of scares and baghead Jason is the best Jason.

7 and 5 get way too much hate. 5 is trashy fun and 7 has Tina, one of the best Final Girls.

FVJ is the best entry in the entire series. If it counts.

F13th 1980 is supposed to be a Halloween knockoff, but it has more in common with giallos and stuff like The Old Dark House. Same goes for Part 2.

Jason Goes To Hell would have been one of the most fun sequels if they had just dumped the stupid body hopping nonsense.

[Skitch]

I like Terminator 3.

Me too. It's got good action and a killer ending. Ive defended it for years. But its sooooo damn jokey it drags it to the bottom of the Terminator pile for me.

As a scifi guy who craves heap loads of the genre, even a not good Terminator sequel is generally leaps and bounds above other scifi dreck.

[Skitch]

I still go with ROTK being the best one.

It may just be me and you, sir, but I feel this was your only unpopular opinion in this post!

[Skitch]

Friday the 13th time:
Jason X is garbage-I have no idea why people like that one. It's not even funny.

I thought people hated that one?


FVJ is the best entry in the entire series. If it counts.
I dont know if it counts, but I'm with ya on the statement. It's a damn fun film.

[Scar]

I had a blast with Jason X in theaters, but these days you just need to YouTube the liquid nitrogen scene, and maybe the camp scene.

[Dukefrukem]

I had a blast with Jason X in theaters, but these days you just need to YouTube the liquid nitrogen scene, and maybe the camp scene.

Camp scene makes me LOL every time.

[Irish]

Lessee...

- The "Friday the 13th" movies are all hands down awful and --- their biggest sin --- boring as shit.

- But then only if you watch them alone. Put another person in the room and the switch is flipped; they become sorta morbidly fascinating. One of the best theatrical experiences I had was seeing "Friday the 13th: Part III" with a full audience at a local rep house. (Also, to contradict myself: Part VI works for solo viewing because it's subversively funny next to the other entries in this bullshit series.)

- In that vein, I really do not understand horror fans who have been anxiously awaiting Jason's return since 2009. To watch him do what, exactly?

- People like Wes Craven for the wrong reasons. "Nightmare" is a great movie but a consciously commercial one. Once Craven went down that road, he lost his mojo, although there are flutters of his old groove in "New Nightmare." Meanwhile, "The Hills Have Eyes" is like one of the best punks albums of the 70s and nobody talks about it.

- I really despised that trend (from maybe 2000-2010?) where major and minor studios remade old exploitation movies. Most of em were overproduced and, frankly, had no balls. I mean, ffs, if you wanna do this shit then own it. Don't make exploitation that's tamer than routine tumblr porn and package it for nationwide audiences, because when you do that you've missed the point entirely.

- The 2010s so-called horror movie renaissance is ... lame. I know there are die hard fans out there eating it up and loving every minute of it, but mostly I've been bored (IT: Chapter 2 can go fuck itself). The more money and the wider the audience, the duller this genre becomes.

- My monkey's paw wish is that Batman and James Bond disappear from the culture forever. (Fine, keep whatever is already out there but no new material, please, ffs. Whatever was said, explored, or done around these characters was fully said, explored, and done like 50+ years ago. We don't need, as a culture, to be lashed to this wheel for-fucking-ever.)

- This week I saw 2 new network tv shows that introduced their Strong Female Character by dressing her in a leather jacket and a Ramones tee shirt, which is characterization by way of Hot Topic. I dunno what depresses me more: The absolute laziness of this technique or that it's just another example of mainstream media companies co-opting counter cultures in the lamest way possible. (This isn't really an unpopular opinion. I just wanted to complain about it.)

- I was looking up old DaMU posts for some reason and just re-read most of this thread. Pound for conversational pound, I think it's one of the best, if not the best, on the forum.

[megladon8]

I find the Jason films thoroughly entertaining.

While no single movie in the Friday franchise reaches the heights of the original Elm Street, the series as a whole is significantly better.

From the grassroots old school American horror of the first two, to the campy 3, and the full embrace of silliness that was 4 and 6. And I can’t even say it’s nostalgia for me, because I didn’t see any of the Friday movies until I was well into my 20s, whereas I grew up with the Nightmare series.

Halloween has the best single film of all of them (Carpenter’s original, which is firmly in my top 10 movies of all time), but has by far the weakest sequels.

And if we want to throw Hellraiser into the mix, I used to consider the second a huge upgrade over the first, but a rewatch a couple of years ago was...not kind. For my money the best Hellraiser sequel is Scott Derrickson’s DTV Hellraiser: Inferno.

[Ezee E]

Almost agree with everything that Irish says here.

-Friday the 13th... never understood the series except that the Jason mask is awesome. The design alone is what I think holds onto the series. I just don't see anything interesting about what you can do with him. And with that...

-Similar deal for Halloween. Even the Carpenter movies and the established, "incoming dread" has always bored me. I don't think I saw past Halloween 2, except for the Zombie and rebirth, which aren't anything special.

-The ones that scared me are Texas Chain Saw Massacre and Hills Have Eyes. The remakes, at least Hills Have Eyes, tread that line, but you obviously know the beats by that point unless you never saw the original. I'll maintain that Texas Chain Saw Massacre is one of the best/scariest horror movies of all time.

Haven't seen Hellraiser, lol.

[megladon8]

I adore Texas Chainsaw, but as a general rule I get very little out of the “psycho hillbilly” sub genre, which is why I’ve never bothered wth The Hills Have Eyes (though I fully intend on seeing it someday...it’s just far, far from the top of my list).

I also find this sub genre tends more towards gore porn, rather than genuine tension or scares (original TCM being an exception).

[Dukefrukem]

Lessee...

- The "Friday the 13th" movies are all hands down awful and --- their biggest sin --- boring as shit.

- But then only if you watch them alone. Put another person in the room and the switch is flipped; they become sorta morbidly fascinating. One of the best theatrical experiences I had was seeing "Friday the 13th: Part III" with a full audience at a local rep house. (Also, to contradict myself: Part VI works for solo viewing because it's subversively funny next to the other entries in this bullshit series.)

- In that vein, I really do not understand horror fans who have been anxiously awaiting Jason's return since 2009. To watch him do what, exactly?

- People like Wes Craven for the wrong reasons. "Nightmare" is a great movie but a consciously commercial one. Once Craven went down that road, he lost his mojo, although there are flutters of his old groove in "New Nightmare." Meanwhile, "The Hills Have Eyes" is like one of the best punks albums of the 70s and nobody talks about it.

- I really despised that trend (from maybe 2000-2010?) where major and minor studios remade old exploitation movies. Most of em were overproduced and, frankly, had no balls. I mean, ffs, if you wanna do this shit then own it. Don't make exploitation that's tamer than routine tumblr porn and package it for nationwide audiences, because when you do that you've missed the point entirely.

- The 2010s so-called horror movie renaissance is ... lame. I know there are die hard fans out there eating it up and loving every minute of it, but mostly I've been bored (IT: Chapter 2 can go fuck itself). The more money and the wider the audience, the duller this genre becomes.

- My monkey's paw wish is that Batman and James Bond disappear from the culture forever. (Fine, keep whatever is already out there but no new material, please, ffs. Whatever was said, explored, or done around these characters was fully said, explored, and done like 50+ years ago. We don't need, as a culture, to be lashed to this wheel for-fucking-ever.)

- This week I saw 2 new network tv shows that introduced their Strong Female Character by dressing her in a leather jacket and a Ramones tee shirt, which is characterization by way of Hot Topic. I dunno what depresses me more: The absolute laziness of this technique or that it's just another example of mainstream media companies co-opting counter cultures in the lamest way possible. (This isn't really an unpopular opinion. I just wanted to complain about it.)

- I was looking up old DaMU posts for some reason and just re-read most of this thread. Pound for conversational pound, I think it's one of the best, if not the best, on the forum.

https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/friday-the-13th-franchise-ranked/detail/

[Ezee E]

Hills Have Eyes can def strive for the gore porn. Both versions.

Does Deliverance get to be labeled as the start of the hillbilly genre?

[Scar]

I’ve watch Zombie’s Halloween’s more than the original.

[Dukefrukem]

I’ve watch Zombie’s Halloween’s more than the original.

That's because it's better.

https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/halloween-franchise-ranked/detail/

[megladon8]

You two are certainly in the right thread :pf

[Scar]

I don’t think I saw the theatrical versions of either. I’ve only watched the director’s cuts.

[Grouchy]

The Hills Have Eyes is a pretty great psycho hillbilly movie, although it lacks the urgency and "real" feel of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I feel like it shouldn't be a controversial fact that none of the Friday the 13th movies are good. The only reasons to watch them now are nostalgia and camp value.

[megladon8]

I don’t think I saw the theatrical versions of either. I’ve only watched the director’s cuts.

I liked H2 a lot.

I liked its “fuck you, we’re doing something weird and different” attitude.

[baby doll]

The Hills Have Eyes is a pretty great psycho hillbilly movieNot to get all Pope Francis (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/24/pope-francis-criticises-overuse-of-adjectives) about it, but whenever somebody puts qualifier between "great" and "movie," it reads like they're hedging on how great that movie actually is. If a film is genuinely great, like say The Godfather, you don't need to relativize its greatness by describing it as "a great gangster movie," which would imply that its greatness is of a lesser order than that of films in other genres.

[Irish]

Pope Francis would also undoubtedly chide Grouchy for failing to write "Chain Saw" properly, in the way God and Tobe Hooper intended.

[Ezee E]

Pope Francis would also undoubtedly chide Grouchy for failing to write "Chain Saw" properly, in the way God and Tobe Hooper intended.

Oof... That annoys me to no end btw. Nowhere outside of that movie have I seen it spelled that way.

[Grouchy]

I really hope Pope Francis ghost reads Matchcut.

[MadMan]

F13th movies are supposed to be fun. The Hills Have Eyes is pretty good, but I think Last House On the Left and The People Under The Stairs are better.

People crying about horror remakes is as old as remakes are.

[Skitch]

It doesnt bother me if movies get remade. Remakes have no sway on originals. Occasionally they're good. I wish they would try to remake bad movies and try to fix them.

[Dukefrukem]

We've benefited from a lot of remakes. The Hills Have Eyes being one of them. The original is not good.

[Irish]

We've benefited from a lot of remakes. The Hills Have Eyes being one of them. The original is not good.

https://i.imgur.com/byoQd6P.jpg?1

[megladon8]

I, too, find remakes (and unnecessary sequels, and prequels, etc) harmless.

If they’re bad, they do not diminish the original at all.

[megladon8]

Fright Night remake > original

Yeah. I went there.

Approach me, brethren.

[Irish]

Fright Night remake > original

Yeah. I went there.

Approach me, brethren.

Outside Roddy McDowell, I wasn't a big fan of the original. The movie's fine, the cast is good, the writing is pretty strong. But somehow I never got very much invested in anything that was happening on screen.

One thing about 80s horror --- some of them look and feel extremely dated (like "Fright Night" or "My Bloody Valentine") while other just don't, and probably never will ("Night of the Comet," "Near Dark").

[Skitch]

Fright Night remake > original

Yeah. I went there.

Approach me, brethren.

I like both, but the remake is badass. Also I have the original on laserdisc signed by Roddy.

[Irish]

Also I have the original on laserdisc signed by Roddy.

Fucking no way, for real?

Did you meet him or acquire it already signed?

[Dukefrukem]

That's it. Another Duke list incoming...

Remake/Adaptations/Reboots Better than the Original
https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/remake-adaptations-reboots-better-than-the/



Remake/Adaptations/Reboots (much) Worse than the Original
https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/remake-adaptations-reboots-much-worse-than/

[Skitch]

Fucking no way, for real?

Did you meet him or acquire it already signed?

https://i.imgur.com/gqf3R5s.jpg

Acquired already signed. $38 bucks. I just couldn't pass it up. I'm not big on memorabilia but for fucks sake...

[Irish]

Remake/Adaptations/Reboots Better than the Original
https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/remake-adaptations-reboots-better-than-the/

Please post this outside the thread so I can attack you for it


https://i.imgur.com/gqf3R5s.jpg

Acquired already signed. $38 bucks. I just couldn't pass it up. I'm not big on memorabilia but for fucks sake...

Oh man that is way fucking cool. And yeah, $38 is a steal, especially considering plain ole LaserDisc prices at the time

[MadMan]

It doesnt bother me if movies get remade. Remakes have no sway on originals. Occasionally they're good. I wish they would try to remake bad movies and try to fix them.
I think remaking bad movies sounds awesome. Imagine if someone decided to update Plan 9 From Outer Space.

[MadMan]

Fright Night remake > original

Yeah. I went there.

Approach me, brethren.

I slightly prefer it over the original. Both rock.

[megladon8]

I find the idea of remaking bad movies much more appealing than remaking universally loved ones.

But either way, it’s most interesting when they’re tackling it from a completely different angle. The Van Sant Psycho’s of the world are pretty boring.

[Grouchy]

I refuse to watch almost any remake of a classic movie these days. If the original is lackluster, I'd still rather watch that. I'm not saying it's rational but it's how I roll.

[Skitch]

Remaking bad movies makes total sense. Especially movies that had a grain of a great idea and then fucked it up. You can SEE what didn't work! Do it better! You see what doesnt work, do it the way it does! Its not that hard!

[Skitch]

Oh man that is way fucking cool. And yeah, $38 is a steal, especially considering plain ole LaserDisc prices at the time
tbh this wasn't "at the time" :p. I picked this up like a year ago. True story...my local reseller chain, The Exchange, suddenly several of local outlets became LOADED with crazy horror film pieces. Sealed vhs copies of Cannibal Holocaust, this piece, etc etc. Turns out a local horror fan died and his stuff was traded in. I wish I couldve picked up more, but (these assholes) these stores put collector prices on everything. I am in that extra that goes even laserdisc so I was able to nab this, and to be honest, I think they missed that it was signed. Fuck them anyways. They still have a bunch of that guys VHS behind glass, and as much as I've become a VHS hunter, I'm just not going to pay collector prices. I enjoy the hunting down a VHS for 50 cents, paying 50$ for it is a waste of my time and money when I could buy the blu-ray for 10$. I guess my hipness has a boundary lol.

[transmogrifier]

Black Panther is the worst film in the MCU (that I have seen, haven't seen Thor 2, Spider-Man 2, Captain Marvel)
Nicholas Cage is not a good actor. He is game, and charismatic, but not all that great. I can always see the acting.
Christopher Nolan movies are generally poorly directed and cut. He is capable of a good sequence here and there, but for me, nothing seems to fit right the way he sets up his camera or where he chooses to cut.

[Skitch]

Without commenting on the quality of Black Panther, theres a healthy chunk of MCU I'd put beneath it.

[Dukefrukem]

Black Panther is the worst film in the MCU (that I have seen, haven't seen Thor 2, Spider-Man 2, Captain Marvel)

Worse than the humorless and generic Incredible Hulk??

[megladon8]

BP has the worst CGI in the entire MCU.

[TGM]

BP has the worst CGI in the entire MCU.

Is this an unpopular opinion?

[transmogrifier]

Worse than the humorless and generic Incredible Hulk??

Yes.

[MadMan]

I think Thor 2 is the worst MCU movie.

[Grouchy]

It's either The Incredible Hulk or Thor 2 for me. Captain Marvel could also be it but it has an interesting idea here or there.

Love Nic Cage, agreed on Nolan.

[Philip J. Fry]

BP has the worst CGI in the entire MCU.
I thought GOTG 2 was worse.

[Skitch]

Thor 2 would get my vote. The entire third act looks like nonsense.

[megladon8]

The ending fight of Black Panther is not only the worst CGI in the MCU, it’s some of the worst CGI I’ve seen this side of a Stephen Sommers movie.

“How could they possibly release this?” levels of awful.

[Dukefrukem]

I read about that finale. It was a time issue.

[StuSmallz]

I thought GOTG 2 was worse.On an overall level, yes, I would rank it below BP (though I still liked it), but effects-wise, I thought it was probably the best-looking film in the MCU to date:


https://youtu.be/hrHpXyQX_u0

[Philip J. Fry]

On an overall level, yes, I would rank it below BP (though I still liked it), but effects-wise, I thought it was probably the best-looking film in the MCU to date:


https://youtu.be/hrHpXyQX_u0Oh God, no. I thought the effects were horrid, especially on the climax. So distracting and noticeable.

[baby doll]

Regarding Nicolas Cage, I think some actors handle the gradual slide into self-parody better than others, Christopher Walken probably being the gold standard in this regard. That is to say, even when he's working with material that's beneath him, you don't get the sense that Walken is playing beneath his abilities. (Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Alan Rickman also strike me as virtuosos of maintaining their dignity in lousy movies.) With Cage, however, and Color Out of Space in particular, his only recourse is to start acting "Nic Cagey" to compensate for the deficiencies of the script, which is getting seriously old.

That said, the contemporary actors I'm personally most sick of are Casey Affleck and Joaquin Phoenix.

[Irish]

Not disagreeing but:

Walken, Caine, and Rickman always seemed to have a sense of humor about themselves. I think that helps. Freeman motives seem different; he will do just about anything for money (I don't know why he thinks he needs the work).

Cage, meanwhile, didn't slide into self parody, he actively sought it out. I've never seen anyone work so hard to betray their own talent and trash their own legacy.

After I saw "Mandy," I thought, surely this fucking guy has paid off his debts by now? It's like every movie he makes is an elaborate GoFundMe where the fans chip in 10 bucks apiece toward the Nicolas Cage IRS Relief Fund.

[Grouchy]

You kidding me? You can teel Cage is having a blast with his career path. None does movies like Mandy or Bad Lieutenant for hard cash. Come on, Irish, that's just daft.

Where did you see Color out of Space, bd? I can't believe that's finally out.

[baby doll]

Where did you see Color out of Space, bd? I can't believe that's finally out.I saw it at TIFF last month and wasn't impressed. Basically a rock from outer space crashes into Cage's front lawn, providing a vague justification for lots of uncanny and/or gory effects, most of them derived from better films (Close Encounters, early- to mid-period Cronenberg). As Scorsese would say, it's more of a theme park ride than a movie.

[Irish]

You kidding me? You can teel Cage is having a blast with his career path. None does movies like Mandy or Bad Lieutenant for hard cash. Come on, Irish, that's just daft.

First, kindly fuck off as this is the Attack Free thread.

Second, really? A blast? He's appeared in 4-5 movies a year for the last 20 years. That's not a career, it's a sickness. He's not an actor, he's a trained monkey. Toss him a coin and he'll do his little dance for you.

This is a dude with an Oscar, a BAFTA, a SAG Award, and a Golden Globe under his belt and yet he has consciously made his name synonymous with DTV junk.

You can mount a defense of "Mandy" or "Port of Call" (or really any movie where he worked with a director who has some kinda intent) but for every one of those there's a least a half dozen or more that are pure, unadulterated shit. His filmography is peppered with "Movies that Exist."

I get the overwhelming sense his audience is laughing at him, at least part of the time, and that he plays to it, and that he doesn't give a shit. The guy has no artistic integrity. How else to explain "Mom and Dad," "The Wickerman," "Next," "Season of the Witch," "Drive Angry," or "Left Behind"?

[Skitch]

Whoa, Grouchy, relax. Not the thread for that.

I havent heard of The Color Out of Space, but the way baby doll describes it sounds like a Nic Cage rollercoaster I damn well want to ride.

Finally, Irish, as much as I love Cage, saying his filmography is peppered with movies that exist is very....very kind! I love the guy because hes always swinging for the fences, unlike Travolta who's made a 100 movies and like 5 are decent and you have to argue about 3 of those.

[transmogrifier]

Cusack, Willis, Travolta, Cage.... 80s/90s heroes done fallen far...

[Morris Schæffer]

Was Grouchy really that out of line? Yes, it is the attack free thread (a thread title the meaning of which eluded me once also when I eviscerated one of Duke's posts. :D), but I'd argue Irish's response was disproportionately vicious.

[Irish]

Telling someone to fuck off is vicious, Morris? Really?

I hesitated to write that but otoh I figured Grouch is pretty chill, we've always been friendly, and he seems like the type to be unruffled by a brusque reply.

But, I've also been wrong about those sorts of estimations before (*cough*Spinal*cough*). No offense was intended.

Now let's all hold hands, sing a couple of kumbayas, and return to praising Our Lord Tony Stark and basking in the Glory of All Things Marvel. ;)

[MadMan]

Mandy is bloody fantastic and I will eagerly defend it. Also I liked Drive Angry. But yeah a lot of Cage's movies are films I have no desire to see.

As for Willis he got old and thus the roles have dried up. It happens.

[Dukefrukem]

Yup attack free zone here. That';s why I posted my lists outside this thread. :)

[Grouchy]

I meant no offense either although I might have forgotten to re-read the title of the thread before posting.

I know he does a lot of DTV garbage and "movies that exist". I also think his insistence on playing the most over-the-top characters available to him (whether in the aforementioned garbage or more artistic stuff) sets him apart from Travolta who seemingly does whatever he can or Willis who just doesn't give a fuck.

[Grouchy]

I havent heard of The Color Out of Space, but the way baby doll describes it sounds like a Nic Cage rollercoaster I damn well want to ride.
It's a H.P. Lovecraft adaptation and the first feature film by Richard Stanley since he got burned by Hollywood doing The Island of Dr. Moreau in 1996.

[megladon8]

Mandy is bloody fantastic and I will eagerly defend it. Also I liked Drive Angry. But yeah a lot of Cage's movies are films I have no desire to see.

As for Willis he got old and thus the roles have dried up. It happens.


Willis has burnt many many bridges by being a curmudgeonly asshole.

I think his career could / would still be pretty strong if he hadn’t developed such a nasty reputation (or rather, reputation for being nasty).

[MadMan]

Willis has burnt many many bridges by being a curmudgeonly asshole.

I think his career could / would still be pretty strong if he hadn’t developed such a nasty reputation (or rather, reputation for being nasty).

That is also true. Kevin Smith said Willis was an asshole on the set of Cop Out.

[Milky Joe]

Color Out of Space is Richard Stanley adapting HP Lovecraft with Cage in lead role and I have not seen it yet but you cannot tell me that it is anything less than fuckin rad.

[StuSmallz]

https://youtu.be/eExfV_xKaiM

[transmogrifier]

The best movies that I have seen of 2010-2019

Mistress America - 82
The We and the I - 81
The Wolf of Wall Street - 80
Confessions - 78
The World of Us - 77
Boyhood - 76
What We Do in the Shadows - 76
Sicario - 75
A Touch of Sin - 75
The Wind Rises - 75

My unpopular opinion - this decade has been terrible for movies.

[Morris Schæffer]

Telling someone to fuck off is vicious, Morris? Really?



It's in my nature to go to bat for, well, for those who've been wronged. :D

But no, nothing too outrageous. :)

[Irish]

for those who've been wronged

https://media.giphy.com/media/h36vh423PiV9K/giphy.gif

[Skitch]

Scrubs was a really good show, and thats coming from someone who loathes sit-coms.

[Dukefrukem]

Scrubs was a really good show, and thats coming from someone who loathes sit-coms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc

I actually like Scrubs I just wanted an excuse to post that scene.

[Skitch]

Its too bad they didn't stop a couple seasons early when they had to perfect moment. They were well wrapped up then got renewed to keep going and it was never as good.

https://i.imgur.com/qrP8VOl.png

[transmogrifier]

Scrubs was a really good show, and thats coming from someone who loathes sit-coms.

Oh, that reminds me - Parks and Recreation is the most overrated sitcom ever. I love Scrubs though.

[baby doll]

My unpopular opinion - this decade has been terrible for movies.Although I don't buy into what Mark Fischer has called "the relativistic illusion [propagated by PR and populism] that intensity and innovation are equally distributed throughout all cultural periods," it's obviously foolish to make any sweeping declarations about the state of world cinema over any duration of time (decade, month, week) when (a) it's impossible for anyone to see everything (something like four thousand movies premiere globally each year, and many of the best may not be widely recognized as such for several decades, if at all, especially those made in non-Western countries--Edward Yang's A Brighter Summer Day being just one relatively recent example of this), and (b) there's no agreed upon basis for evaluating the quality of films (although the recent canonization of Yang's masterpiece is yet another example of the tendency of difficult art films to outlast many more accessible films that are hailed as masterpieces on first release, gradually increasing in prestige over time). The most one could say is that, for instance, contemporary Hollywood cinema since 2010 is a barren wasteland and that even the most impressive American films of the past decade (American Hustle, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Get Out, Hereafter, Nebraska, The Wolf of Wall Street to cite only my own favourites) are still vastly less inventive formally and stylistically, and less compelling as narratives, than the best Hollywood films of the 1920s, '30s, '40s, and '50s.

[transmogrifier]

Although I don't buy into what Mark Fischer has called "the relativistic illusion [propagated by PR and populism] that intensity and innovation are equally distributed throughout all cultural periods," it's obviously foolish to make any sweeping declarations about the state of world cinema over any duration of time (decade, month, week) when (a) it's impossible for anyone to see everything (something like four thousand movies premiere globally each year, and many of the best may not be widely recognized as such for several decades, especially those made in non-Western countries--Edward Yang's A Brighter Summer Day being just one relatively recent example of this), and (b) there's no agreed upon basis for evaluating the quality of films (although the recent canonization of Yang's masterpiece is yet another example of the tendency of difficult art films to outlast many accessible films that are hailed as masterpieces on first release, gradually increasing in prestige over time). The most one could say is that, for instance, contemporary Hollywood cinema since 2010 is a barren wasteland and that even the most impressive American films of the past decade (American Hustle, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Get Out, Hereafter, Nebraska, The Wolf of Wall Street to cite only my own favourites) are still vastly less inventive formally and stylistically, and less compelling as narratives, than the best Hollywood films of the 1920s, '30s, '40s, and '50s.

TLDR; transmogrifier is right.

[PURPLE]

Hollywood films from the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s were, for the most part, absolute garbage, just like these days. It's also difficult to compare - the Hollywood of those days churned out a lot more people-focused films which have not proven profitable these days, and the Hollywood of today churns out a lot of action-focused films. Still, the awful deluge of genre fare in those days is the same awful deluge that we find these days.

If you were to not watch a single film from 2000-2020 and only watch the best Hollywood films made (not the most popular), you might think it was a golden age. None of them are.

At least these days there are more writer/directors finding their way into the system in various genres. The for-hire director output of classic Hollywood is hugely disappointing. It's almost impossible to take recommendations from the period seriously since the blinders people have for bland aesthetics is truly staggering.

[PURPLE]

The best movies that I have seen of 2010-2019

Mistress America - 82
The We and the I - 81
The Wolf of Wall Street - 80
Confessions - 78
The World of Us - 77
Boyhood - 76
What We Do in the Shadows - 76
Sicario - 75
A Touch of Sin - 75
The Wind Rises - 75

My unpopular opinion - this decade has been terrible for movies.I have not watched nearly as many films this decade as last, but I'm still a fan. Even these ten are fantastic, to me.

The Tree of Life (2011)
Goodbye First Love (2011)
Long Day's Journey Into Night (2019)
Our Little Sister (2015)
Aquarius (2016)
Le quattro volte (2010)
The Square (2017)
Margaret (2011)
Enter the Void (2010)

I agree with you that I don't like your list much, though :p

[transmogrifier]

The Tree of Life is a boring perfume commercial

[PURPLE]

The Tree of Life is a boring perfume commercialPerfume commercials are honestly better than most Hollywood films!

[megladon8]

The classic screwball comedies of the 30s and 40s are still gold.

Cary Grant was a god.

All this trashing old Hollywood can just shove it.

[transmogrifier]

I agree with you that I don't like your list much, though :p

My list is great. Just nowhere near as great as pretty much any other decade.

[baby doll]

Hollywood films from the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s were, for the most part, absolute garbage, just like these days. It's also difficult to compare - the Hollywood of those days churned out a lot more people-focused films which have not proven profitable these days, and the Hollywood of today churns out a lot of action-focused films. Still, the awful deluge of genre fare in those days is the same awful deluge that we find these days.

If you were to not watch a single film from 2000-2020 and only watch the best Hollywood films made (not the most popular), you might think it was a golden age. None of them are.

At least these days there are more writer/directors finding their way into the system in various genres. The for-hire director output of classic Hollywood is hugely disappointing. It's almost impossible to take recommendations from the period seriously since the blinders people have for bland aesthetics is truly staggering.The key phrase in your first sentence is "for the most part" (for the most part, anything is garbage), although I would argue that the average film of the classical period is, for a variety of reasons, superior to the average Hollywood film of any subsequent decade. I remember seeing an interview with Billy Wilder from the early 1980s where he talks about how, when he started at Paramount, they were making something like forty or fifty films a year compared with the post-studio era, where it's become uncommon for a studio to release even half that number of films, meaning there's a lot more riding on each film, and consequently, studios are willing to take fewer risks. It doesn't help matters that, since the 1960s, the studios have been run by faceless multinational conglomerates rather than the old-time studio moguls, who had a certain professional pride in doing quality work. (Recall David O. Selznick's passion for costly reshoots.) Another reason for the sliding quality of American films has to do with the rise of film schools in the 1960s, which effectively replaced the apprentice system that existed in the studio-era, as a result of which the level of basic craftsmanship in Hollywood filmmaking has steeply declined to the point where even the most ambitious contemporary Hollywood directors know less about staging than a Michael Curtiz or a John Sturges. (Incidentally, if cinema has a "greatest generation," it's undoubtedly those directors whose careers spanned both the silent and sound eras: Charles Chaplin, Carl Dreyer, John Ford, Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock, Fritz Lang, Ernst Lubitsch, Mizoguchi Kenji, Naruse Mikio, Ozu Yasujiro, Jean Renoir, and Josef von Sternberg being only the first dozen names that come to mind.)

[MadMan]

Every decade has good and bad films, cinema is good, some decades are better than others, honestly cinema peaked in 1975, yada yada.

[Ivan Drago]

Perfume commercials are honestly better than most Hollywood films!

Ain't that the truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoY-aAKijeU

[Grouchy]

The Tree of Life is a boring perfume commercial
This might be the most correct statement on this thread so far. It's even more true of the films Malick made after that.

[transmogrifier]

This might be the most correct statement on this thread so far. It's even more true of the films Malick made after that.

I still haven't seen any of the films he made after that. It really did a number on me. It's not what I want in a film.

[Skitch]

It was a one-and-done for me. What a seemingly pointless venture.

[MadMan]

I loved The Tree of Life, but Badlands is one of my favorite movies (and I own it on Criterion).

[PURPLE]

Song to Song is a radically unique film. It's quite amazing what he did in that film. I don't love it as much as The Tree of Life only because that one is more to my tastes, but it's still amazing.

I love Malick's newly found style. Badlands is boring, typical. A perfume commercial would NEVER stoop to such lows!

[baby doll]

Song to Song is a radically unique film. It's quite amazing what he did in that film. I don't love it as much as The Tree of Life only because that one is more to my tastes, but it's still amazing.

I love Malick's newly found style. Badlands is boring, typical. A perfume commercial would NEVER stoop to such lows!Typical of what?

[transmogrifier]

Typical of what?

It has criminals in it, I guess, therefore it's just more of the same?

[PURPLE]

It has criminals in it, I guess, therefore it's just more of the same?I should have clarified, being that this conversation is so weighty. It's clearly atypical of a perfume commercial.

[MadMan]

Hey now if you can't enjoy a well crafted perfume commercial then how can you possibly appreciate cinema?

[PURPLE]

Hey now if you can't enjoy a well crafted perfume commercial then how can you possibly appreciate cinema?It doesn't hurt!

[Skitch]

I hate Grease with fury of a thousand suns.

[transmogrifier]

I hate Grease with fury of a thousand suns.

I love Grease with the fury of a million suns. Let’s work out a good deal! You don’t want to be responsible for slaughtering your own self-respect, and I don’t want to be responsible for destroying your understanding of what constitutes cinema—and I will. I’ve already given you a little sample with respect to my tiff with MadMan.

History will look upon you favorably if you get this the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don’t happen. Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!

I will call you later.

[Skitch]

When my younger sister was in grade school, she would watch Grease 3-4 times a day. She was obsessed with learning all the songs and dance moves. The moment the tape was over, she would rewind it and start again. Every time the volume was way too loud. I was yelled at for even suggesting a reasonable volume. This went on for years. I'm not remotely exaggerating. I despise that movie, and to hell with credibility if it hinges on Grease or the MCU, up or down.

But do call me later, we'll party! :p (must spread rep juices around and all that)

[transmogrifier]

Your sister sounds smart and cool.

[Skitch]

Your sister sounds smart and cool.

She thinks National Treasure 1 and 2 are the best movies ever made.

[Dukefrukem]

Grease was on TV the other day. I watched the whole thing.

I also watched Age of Ultron on TNT today.

[transmogrifier]

She thinks National Treasure 1 and 2 are the best movies ever made.

That's.... disheartening.

[Skitch]

I will never understand the respect Grease gets. The story is awful and offensive, the songs suck, and it's a fat sack of rapeyness. The best way to view it is as a full movie like a Jacob's Latter-esque dream-state as what's her name actually drowns in the beginning of the film.

[baby doll]

I like some of the songs ("Summer Lovin'" and "You're the One That I Want") and Stockard Channing's character, who seems to be visiting from a more interesting movie, but overall it's pretty mediocre.

[baby doll]

While we're bashing widely liked movies, I might as well add that the only person who's genuinely funny in Caddyshack is Rodney Dangerfield, who seems to have written most of his lines himself. Chevy Chase is so subdued he seems to be falling asleep and Bill Murray mumbling to himself is just weird and creepy.

[MadMan]

I think Grease is a bad film, but I don't hate it.

[Dukefrukem]

That's.... disheartening.

I know. There should be a third movie made.

[Scar]

I know. There should be a third movie made.


Well, you know how selective Nic Cage is these days.

[MadMan]

I liked the first National Treasure but I did not see the second one.

[MadMan]

While we're bashing widely liked movies, I might as well add that the only person who's genuinely funny in Caddyshack is Rodney Dangerfield, who seems to have written most of his lines himself. Chevy Chase is so subdued he seems to be falling asleep and Bill Murray mumbling to himself is just weird and creepy.

Bill Murray had all the best one liners but yeah that movie wouldn't be half as funny without Dangerfield.

[Milky Joe]

While we're bashing widely liked movies, I might as well add that the only person who's genuinely funny in Caddyshack is Rodney Dangerfield, who seems to have written most of his lines himself. Chevy Chase is so subdued he seems to be falling asleep and Bill Murray mumbling to himself is just weird and creepy.

Same but for Ghostbusters, and Murray's the only funny one in there.

[Skitch]

I guess if we're going after comedies...I Heart Huckabees is garbage and Observe and Report is amazing.

[Ezee E]

I think being on a boat is one of the most boring things around. Basically required to be drunk.

[Scar]

I think being on a boat is one of the most boring things around. Basically required to be drunk.

What if you're fishing?

[baby doll]

Same but for Ghostbusters, and Murray's the only funny one in there.The only really funny line in the film for me is when Ramis says, "I collect spores, molds, and fungus." Murray is too smarmy for me to root for him to succeed in his relationship with Weaver (who looks great); Hudson is only there to be the black guy; and Ackroyd is virtually nonexistent, which is odd given he co-wrote the screenplay.

[baby doll]

What if you're fishing?Or disposing of Natalie Wood's body?

[Ezee E]

What if you're fishing?

Fishing works.

[megladon8]

Same but for Ghostbusters, and Murray's the only funny one in there.

No.

[MadMan]

I guess if we're going after comedies...I Heart Huckabees is garbage and Observe and Report is amazing.

I love Huckabees but I really liked Observe and Report.

Both versions of Ghostbusters are funny but suffer from their finales going on way too damn long. Ghostbusters 2 is decent for being an obvious cash grab.

[Philip J. Fry]

Weezer - Island in the Sun

Mexican Wedding video > Animals video.

[megladon8]

Michael B. Jordan is not a good actor.

[TGM]

Have you seen Creed II?

[Dukefrukem]

or Black Panther

[Philip J. Fry]

Or The Wire.

[Ivan Drago]

Me and Earl and the Dying Girl is one of the worst movies of the decade.

I know MC hates it too, but a lot of people I know IRL adore it for some weird reason.

[Philip J. Fry]

If you have Frozen in your top 10 animated films of the decade, you need to watch more movies.http://thebronzeforums.org/images/smilies/evilgrin0032.gifhttp://thebronzeforums.org/images/smilies/evilgrin0032.gifhttp://thebronzeforums.org/images/smilies/evilgrin0032.gif

[MadMan]

I don't care for Law & Order at all but the show's theme music is the most iconic.

[TGM]

If you have Frozen in your top 10 animated films of the decade, you need to watch more movies.http://thebronzeforums.org/images/smilies/evilgrin0032.gifhttp://thebronzeforums.org/images/smilies/evilgrin0032.gifhttp://thebronzeforums.org/images/smilies/evilgrin0032.gif

I watch more than enough movies, thank you very much.

Also, I thought this was the “attack free” thread? :p ;)

[Dukefrukem]

I don't see an attack. Just a suggestion.

[TGM]

I don't see an attack. Just a suggestion.

It was a joke. Hence the “ :p ;) “. :rolleyes:

[Philip J. Fry]

It was a joke. Hence the “ :p ;) “. :rolleyes:
:p:p:p

[Philip J. Fry]

To not make my previous claim, you know, feel as empty, here's my top 10 animated films of the decade so far in alphabetical order (there are still several films worth a shot, so off-course it isn't definitive).

Anomalisa (C. Kaufman/D. Johnson, 2015)
Inside Out (P. Docter/R. Del Carmen, 2015)
Primal: Tales of Savagery (G. Tartakovsky, 2019)
Song of the Sea (T. Moore, 2014)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (B. Persichetti/P. Ramsey/R. Rothman, 2018)
The Red Turtle (M. Dudok de Wit, 2016)
The Tale of Princess Kaguya (I. Takahata, 2013)
Toy Story 3 (L. Unkrich, 2010)
Wolf Children (M. Hosoda, 2012)
your name. (M. Shinkai, 2016)

[Peng]

Mine would be..

1. Toy Story 3 (2010)
2. It's Such a Beautiful Day (2012)
3. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (2013)
4. Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (2013)
5. Inside Out (2015)
6. Tower (2016)
7. The Lego Movie (2014)
8. The Wind Rises (2013)
9. Toy Story 4 (2019)
10. Song of the Sea (2014)

2013-2014 were quite a grand couple of years for animation.

[Philip J. Fry]

Good list! Now I gotta watch It's Such a Beautiful Day and Tower.

[Ivan Drago]

1. It’s Such A Beautiful Day
2. Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse
3. Inside Out
4. The Lego Movie
5. Shaun The Sheep Movie
6. Your Name.
7. Anomalisa
8. Tangled
9. The Peanuts Movie
10. Klaus

[TGM]

I’m glad to see at least Inside Out is getting some love here. I seem to recall that one also taking quite a bit of shit from the MC crowd when it first came out.

[Philip J. Fry]

I’m glad to see at least Inside Out is getting some love here. I seem to recall that one also taking quite a bit of shit from the MC crowd when it first came out.
It might be the best thing Pixar's ever done.

[TGM]

It might be the best thing Pixar's ever done.

I whole heartedly agree.

[Dukefrukem]

It was a joke. Hence the “ :p ;) “. :rolleyes:

Those emojis didn't show up on my phone.

[Skitch]

The Netflix Lost in Space show (now into season 2) is awesome.

[transmogrifier]

I guess this fits here now: Inside Out is one of Pixar’s weakest films.

[Skitch]

I recall people loving Inside Out with the consistent thread of "you will bawl your eyes out!" as a positive, which isn't a max positive for me, so I haven't seen it.

[baby doll]

From what I've seen (which is admittedly not a whole lot), Arrietty the Borrower is the only animated movie from the last decade I'd call "spicy," although Anomalisa is pretty warm.

For the record, I haven't seen any Pixar films since Up.

[Dukefrukem]

Pixar films have definitely lost a lot of the charm since Up. I feel less inspired to watch the new ones.

[Philip J. Fry]

Arrietty is pretty good, yeah. And although Pixar is a little more hit and miss than on the oughts, they're still capable of delivering. Inside Out, TS3 and Coco are on the level of their very best output and the rest this decade outside Monster's University and the Cars' sequels has been fine.

[Dukefrukem]

I didn't realize there was an 18-0 ratio (http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?7008-Coco-(Lee-Unkrich)&highlight=Coco) in Coco. I'll move that up my queue.

Haven't seen that much of a consensus on MC since...

[megladon8]

Princess Kaguya is a magnificent movie for sure, but hot damn it hurts.

[Grouchy]

My top ten animated of the decade:

1. Anomalisa
2. The Tale of Princess Kaguya
3. The Wind Rises
4. Spiderman: Into the Spider-Verse
5. Coco
6. Toy Story 3
7. Justice League: Gods and Monsters
8. The Red Turtle
9. Batman: Assault on Arkham
10. Inside Out

HM: Missing Link, All-Star Superman, The Breadwinner

[Irish]

If we're talking animation of the decade, I'd like to heartily recommend the work of Sang-ho Yeon (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3613566/).

"King of Pigs," "The Fake," "Seoul Station."

(He also directed the live action "Train to Busan.")

[Irish]

The Netflix Lost in Space show (now into season 2) is awesome.

Haven't watched the second season yet, but I was surprised how much I enjoyed the first. It's one of the rare shows that gets better and more interesting with each episode, and probably the only "survival sci-fi" type of thing I've liked.

[Skitch]

Very curious your thoughts on season two, because it's much wider in scope and travel than season one. I loved both, but two even more because its multiple planets.

[Morris Schæffer]

Hey Irish and Skitch, into LiS S1 now. Definitely enjoying the family dynamic, sweet production values and sense of mystery and exploration. I did sort of feel that episode 1 went overboard with peril and especially immediately throwing in the robot. A few too many 'close call' escapes too.

[Skitch]

Oh theres lots more close calls in your future. :)

[Irish]

Very curious your thoughts on season two, because it's much wider in scope and travel than season one. I loved both, but two even more because its multiple planets.

Watched the first episode of the second season last night and I got really into it, to the point where I was bouncing in my seat and pounding the arm of my chair with my fist. I still haven't figured out how the show gets me that engaged.

Maybe it's the warmth of the cast, or those ace production values. I dunno. Somehow this show manages to routinely instill a sense of wonder in me.

Turning a spaceship into a sail boat and sailing over rough alien seas! There's something I've never seen at the movies or read about in books.

I promised myself this morning I'll only watch 1 episode a day and not binge it this time.


Hey Irish and Skitch, into LiS S1 now. Definitely enjoying the family dynamic, sweet production values and sense of mystery and exploration. I did sort of feel that episode 1 went overboard with peril and especially immediately throwing in the robot. A few too many 'close call' escapes too.

Keep watching for a bit. I rolled my eyes pretty heavily at the first episode too but by the end of the season I was all, goddamn, that was a surprisingly solid bit of television.

[Skitch]

Goosebumps and cheering...yep that was me during season 2.

[Dukefrukem]

Ok ok I'll give it a watch.

[Morris Schæffer]

Oh theres lots more close calls in your future. :)

Got another one just now. :D

I wish it was a bit more plausible.

[Morris Schæffer]

And it does that annoying thing of folks witholding vital intel like I dunno extinction level events and such for the sake of creating some tension.

[origami_mustache]

IDK if this is unpopular, but I thought Marriage Story was pretty bad. It felt like a series of scenes performed by the struggling actors on Barry. The addition of the genius grant and successfulness of their careers as a director and actress feels completely unrelatable when tackling such a common universal subject like divorce and I think it was all covered pretty well with The Squid and the Whale.

[TGM]

Stemming from recent conversations in the Rise of Skywalker thread, I fucking love Attack of the Clones. ;)

[megladon8]

Not sure this is exactly the type of thing for this thread, but it always bothered me that Jonathan Rhys Davies played three voice of the Ent as well as playing Gimli in LOTR.

[TGM]

Stemming from the film awards thread, I think that the following are all genuinely great:

Bohemian Rhapsody
Green Book
Joker
Queen
Vice

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[Peng]

Bohemian Rhapsody - 4/10
Green Book - 5/10
Joker - 6.5/10
Queen - no opinion either way
Vice - 4.5/10

[Dukefrukem]

Bohemian Rhapsody - 5/10
Green Book - 5/10
Joker - 5/10
Queen - 5/10
Vice - 5/10

[megladon8]

Seems appropriate for this thread...

BBC's Dracula was freaking brilliant.

[baby doll]

It should be illegal for two women to sit next to each other in a movie theatre, especially white women over forty, because they don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut.

[Ezee E]

It should be illegal for two women to sit next to each other in a movie theatre, especially white women over forty, because they don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut.

Skitch?

[Ezee E]

Bohemian Rhapsody - 5/10
Green Book - 5/10
Joker - 5/10
Queen - 5/10
Vice - 5/10

Love random ratings.

Bohemian - Movie - * Song - ****
Green Book - ** 1/2
Joker - *** 1/2
Queen - exceptional. Will listen to Bohemian Rhapsody song any time.
Vice - *** 1/2 maybe even ****

[TGM]

It should be illegal for two women to sit next to each other in a movie theatre, especially white women over forty, because they don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut.

So you met those two sacks of shit who initially ruined La La Land for me, too?

[Skitch]

Skitch?

I've had this reaction to pretty much all people over 45, regardless of gender.

[Ezee E]

I've had this reaction to pretty much all people over 45, regardless of gender.

Over 60... even worse

[Skitch]

Over 60... even worse

20 years ago it was the over 40 crowd, but now I'm 40, so yeah, they haven't improved.

[Dukefrukem]

WTF Theaters are you guys going to? millennials are by far the worst! Get off your fuckin phones!

[TGM]

WTF Theaters are you guys going to? millennials are by far the worst! Get off your fuckin phones!

My favorite thing about the AMC remodel is the walls they installed between each row of seats, which instantly blocks out anyone playing on their phones in the rows ahead of you. Theater texting hasn’t been nearly as problematic as a result.

Does nothing to block off assholes who won’t shut the fuck up, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Skitch]

WTF Theaters are you guys going to? millennials are by far the worst! Get off your fuckin phones!

Youre absolutely right. And ALLLLLLLLL of these are the people I'm surrounded by in the cinema.

Hence why I've seen like 2 movies in theater this year.

Millenials to the left of me, boomers to the right, here I am, at home illegally streaming Korean subtitled american movies.

[baby doll]

WTF Theaters are you guys going to? millennials are by far the worst! Get off your fuckin phones!On a weekday afternoon, Toronto's Carlton Theatre is basically a retirement home.

[Ezee E]

WTF Theaters are you guys going to? millennials are by far the worst! Get off your fuckin phones!

I feel thankful that with how Alamo sets up their theaters with stadium seating, you don't really see too many people in front of you, and certainly not to your side. And I'll usually be kind of strategic with the seat I pick if it's not full.

The Landmark arthouse theaters consist of mostly people that are also very into movies.

It's when I step away from this and go to any other theater where I get people that drift from movie to movie, teens that had no interest in the first place, or whatever else.

[Skitch]

When I go to a theater and pick a seat, it's just a seat to see where all the assholes will sit. My real seating will be revealed 15-20 minutes into the film when the losers finally stumble in.

[MadMan]

When I go to a theater and pick a seat, it's just a seat to see where all the assholes will sit. My real seating will be revealed 15-20 minutes into the film when the losers finally stumble in.

That is harder to do these days with assigned seating.

[Skitch]

That is harder to do these days with assigned seating.

Ain't no laws. Dog will hunt.

[Ezee E]

Ain't no laws. Dog will hunt.

You'll become the hunted in an Alamo.

[Skitch]

You'll become the hunted in an Alamo.

We don't have such fancy sophisticated places here in oh ach I oh. We still outlaw.

Because if we instituted such rules, we would lose too many ticket sales. Our number of idiots far outweighs our number cinephiles.

[Ivan Drago]

When I go to a theater and pick a seat, it's just a seat to see where all the assholes will sit. My real seating will be revealed 15-20 minutes into the film when the losers finally stumble in.

I always pick dead center but last weekend, the guy next to me in the Dolby theater had fallen asleep sometime during the TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES OF TRAILERS and was snoring by the beginning of 1917. Nothing me or his wife were doing was helping, so I put up with it for 20 minutes before luckily finding a seat in the row behind me that wasn't empty. I'm with ya on that front.



Millenials to the left of me, boomers to the right, here I am, at home illegally streaming Korean subtitled american movies.

I literally read this in the tune of 'Stuck In The Middle With You'. :D

[Irish]

Said it before, but: Stadium and reserved seating are the death of the movie-going experience.

(And it won't be long before one chain or another decides to charge more for the popular seats, middle-center, and less for those in the back or at the edges.)

[transmogrifier]

Reserved seating is roughly 1 million times better than the free-for-all system.

[Peng]

Many Asian countries (mine included) always have reserved seating and our movie-going experience chugs along fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In fact, from having lived in both USA and UK for a year each, I will say I prefer watching films here (not exclusively because of reserved seating, but it sure helps).

[[ETM]]

I can't imagine non-reserved seating. Seems barbaric.

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[megladon8]

Said it before, but: Stadium and reserved seating are the death of the movie-going experience.

(And it won't be long before one chain or another decides to charge more for the popular seats, middle-center, and less for those in the back or at the edges.)

I'm intrigued. Why do you dislike reserved seating so much?

[baby doll]

I'm all in for reserved seating, especially because I try to time my entrance to avoid seeing as many of the trailers as possible without missing the start of the film.

If I made my decisions about which films to see based solely on the trailers, I'd never watch another film again.

[Dukefrukem]

Reserved seating is roughly 1 million times better than the free-for-all system.

1.1 million times better.

[Skitch]

I literally read this in the tune of 'Stuck In The Middle With You'. :D

Mission accomplished lol

[Skitch]

(And it won't be long before one chain or another decides to charge more for the popular seats, middle-center, and less for those in the back or at the edges.)

DONT GIVE THESE FUCKERS IDEAS!!!

[Irish]

I'm intrigued. Why do you dislike reserved seating so much?

Because a single price, open to everyone, sorta matches my idealism. I think that model is very democratic, very "American." If the Queen of England and I show up in the ticket buyers line, we're treated the same way and have the same chance at a good seat. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates can have all the money in the world, but they cannot see a better version of "Casablanca" or "Star Wars."

It's sorta like what Andy Warhol said about Coca-Cola:

"What's great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it."

But the moviegoing experience is moving away from those cheap, open roots and becoming more of a premium. The same thing happened to other popular entertainment over the last century or two, from theater, music, sports, opera, and ballet. What was once a low form and a pass time is now a serious investment, and you can buy your way to a better experience.

My heart sank when I heard theaters in the States initiated reserved seating, because extra costs and booking fees are sure to follow, and it means the days of slapping down $5 or $10 bucks to see a movie on impulse are all but dead.

[Ezee E]

and it means the days of slapping down $5 or $10 bucks to see a movie on impulse are all but dead.

No serious movie fan just shows up to a theater and buys a ticket on a whim.

[Peng]

America's reserved seating system really requires extra fee? Here you pay upfront first, either online or at ticket booth, just for the price of that ticket. And one time when I went to It Follows while in England with reserved seating I didn't have to pay extra fee either.

[MadMan]

I don't mind reserved seating. Also theater movie prices were steadily going up before it became a thing.

[Skitch]

No serious movie fan just shows up to a theater and buys a ticket on a whim.

You're right. Also, I'd say that's 50% of theater goers.

"What's starting now? Two please. Honey let's go sit beside that guy who looks angry."

[megladon8]

Because a single price, open to everyone, sorta matches my idealism. I think that model is very democratic, very "American." If the Queen of England and I show up in the ticket buyers line, we're treated the same way and have the same chance at a good seat. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates can have all the money in the world, but they cannot see a better version of "Casablanca" or "Star Wars."

It's sorta like what Andy Warhol said about Coca-Cola:

"What's great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it."

But the moviegoing experience is moving away from those cheap, open roots and becoming more of a premium. The same thing happened to other popular entertainment over the last century or two, from theater, music, sports, opera, and ballet. What was once a low form and a pass time is now a serious investment, and you can buy your way to a better experience.

My heart sank when I heard theaters in the States initiated reserved seating, because extra costs and booking fees are sure to follow, and it means the days of slapping down $5 or $10 bucks to see a movie on impulse are all but dead.


I think my favorite part of your reasoning is the idea that you think the Queen of England would show up at the same showing of Backdoor Sluts 9 that you go to every Christmas Eve.

[TGM]

You're right. Also, I'd say that's 50% of theater goers.

"What's starting now? Two please. Honey let's go sit beside that guy who looks angry."

That’s the thing that blows my mind the most about the reserved seating process. You literally see a map that shows which seats are taken, and which are still available, and yet still people will choose a seat directly beside you in an otherwise empty theater. Needless to say, in these moments I just sit somewhere else, but still, some people are seriously unbelievable...

[Dukefrukem]

That’s the thing that blows my mind the most about the reserved seating process. You literally see a map that shows which seats are taken, and which are still available, and yet still people will choose a seat directly beside you in an otherwise empty theater. Needless to say, in these moments I just sit somewhere else, but still, some people are seriously unbelievable...

Fuck them. I want front center. I dont care if there is only two people in the theater. I'm not watching a movie from an angel just because I'm too scared to sit next to a stranger.

[TGM]

Fuck them. I want front center. I dont care if there is only two people in the theater. I'm not watching a movie from an angel just because I'm too scared to sit next to a stranger.

I in all honesty don’t actually care where I’m seated, just so long as I’m not in the front 2-3 rows. My seating decisions are based almost entirely around avoiding as many people as possible.

[Skitch]

I in all honesty don’t actually care where I’m seated, just so long as I’m not in the front 2-3 rows. My seating decisions are based almost entirely around avoiding as many people as possible.

Yep this is me too.

btw I don't really have an opinion on assigned seating, either way. I'll sit wherever I damn well please. If someone comes up and says I'm in their seat, I'll move.

[megladon8]

I'm with Skitch and TGM.

I don't want to be near any people that I didn't come to the movie with, if I can help it.

Seeing a movie at a slight angle is no problem at all. I just dont want to be front row.

I'd rather sit in the very back.

[Ezee E]

Front row sucks, but I'll usually go for the lower set of seats in an auditorium before they start to incline up. Less people there, less chance of people sitting in front of you... works out.

[Grouchy]

No serious movie fan just shows up to a theater and buys a ticket on a whim.
Well, the level of information that I receive about cinema on a day-to-day basis means I rarely don't know anything about the plot or the makers of a movie anymore, but I do love going on a whim. I saw Knives Out the other day because I walked in front the theater and it started soon.

Also, I have no problem with sitting on the angles.

[Dukefrukem]

When I say front and center, i mean the first row after the walkway split behind the handicap spaces.

In this graphic it would be the first gray row. Not the yellow seats.

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