The Boondock Saints 2: All Saints Day

[Dukefrukem]

:eek::crazy::rolleyes::rolleye s::rolleyes:

http://www.movieweb.com/news/06/27406.php

[Lasse]

The first one entertained me, but a sequel... uhm... no. Just no.

[MadMan]

The first one entertained me, but a sequel... uhm... no. Just no.My thoughts exactly.

[SirNewt]

Oh my god, why?

[bac0n]

Oh my god, why?

Perhaps there are one or two people in Hollywood he hasn't yet pissed off?

[SirNewt]

Perhaps there are one or two people in Hollywood he hasn't yet pissed off?

Okay, I just watched the video and am even more annoyed.

[Dukefrukem]

trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/boondocksaintsiiallsaintsday/)

[Spun Lepton]

I haven't watched the trailer, but I have little doubt this will be a pile of shit.

[megladon8]

I still think the first one was fun.

This looks like trash, though.

[Adam]

Of course, the biggest problem with this is that the first one was passably entertaining only because you get to see Willem Dafoe flail around for his half hour or so of screentime. Take Willem Dafoe out of Boondock Saints 1 and, holy shit, that's a really bad movie

[Boner M]

This movie will in fact be less enjoyable than watching 2 hours of footage of kittens being stomped to death.

[Skitch]

I've never understood the hate for Boondock Saints. I must have missed the interweb-wide email about picking a random average actiony movie and hating it. Why BD over, say...Broken Arrow?

[Boner M]

Boondock Saints is the cinematic equivalent of being gang-raped by fratboys. Also, its initials are BS.

[Ivan Drago]

Boondock Saints is the cinematic equivalent of being gang-raped by fratboys.

I'd go ahead and put I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell in that category.

[Spun Lepton]

I've never understood the hate for Boondock Saints. I must have missed the interweb-wide email about picking a random average actiony movie and hating it. Why BD over, say...Broken Arrow?

Broken Arrow doesn't have leagues of frat-boy fans heraliding it as some kind of major achievement in indie filmmaking. Plus, I don't recall the director of Broken Arrow being such a gaping asshole that the film crew decided made a documentary about him.

[lovejuice]

Broken Arrow doesn't have leagues of frat-boy fans heraliding it as some kind of major achievement in indie filmmaking. Plus, I don't recall the director of Broken Arrow being such a gaping asshole that the film crew decided made a documentary about him.
plus broken arrow is better than anything woo made post face/off, which unfortunately doesn't say much.:sad:

[megladon8]

Broken Arrow doesn't have leagues of frat-boy fans heraliding it as some kind of major achievement in indie filmmaking. Plus, I don't recall the director of Broken Arrow being such a gaping asshole that the film crew decided made a documentary about him.


Neither of these reasons actually have anything to do with the movie, though, so I've always found this pretty ridiculous.

If people are going to hate the movie and talk about it like some bane of humanity, that's all fine and good, but try to give some legitimate reasons, not just "I find frat boys annoying".

For instance, people often say that it rips off Pulp Fiction, but this I do not get at all. Is it the fractured timeline? If so, I have some news - Tarantino didn't invent that. Is it the occasional pop-culture references in the dialogue? Same deal.

I hate annoyingly douchey, beer-bong-patrolling frat boys as much as the next guy, but I don't feel so adamant about it that I must hate everything they like without question. I also hate assholes, and Troy Duffy is definitely an asshole of the ump-teenth degree...but I'm not going to hate the movie because he's an asshole.

If we went by that logic, Stanley Kubrick should be the most hated director of all time. Documentaries were made about Kubrick's prick-ish behaviour as well, and I've seen just as many annoying frat boys with A Clockwork Orange posters on their walls as Boondock Saints posters.

And wow...I just compared Troy Duffy to Stanley Kubrick. I think I need to take a bath.

[Spun Lepton]

And wow...I just compared Troy Duffy to Stanley Kubrick. I think I need to take a bath.

I think you need to be flogged. :) Kubrick earned his place as a tempermental filmmaker. Troy Duffy is near-talentless (I'm being generous), douchehose who crapped out a Tarantino-wannabe flick that was mediocre at best (again, I'm being generous). I'd bet the reason there is a sequel at all is because some desperate producer recognised a moderate, "non-discriminatory" fanbase for the first movie.

[megladon8]

I think you need to be flogged...


Wanna be first in line? ;)

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[Adam]

I hate annoyingly douchey, beer-bong-patrolling frat boys as much as the next guy, but I don't feel so adamant about it that I must hate everything they like without question. I also hate assholes, and Troy Duffy is definitely an asshole of the ump-teenth degree...but I'm not going to hate the movie because he's an asshole.

Eh, I personally think it's okay to hate on a movie solely because you don't like the kinds of people who like that movie or especially because the director is a douche. In a perfect world, of course you'd be able to separate the art from the artist but, you know, fuck it. Essentially it's like what I have with the band Sublime. Sublime, though, at least, has some artistic merit. Boondock Saints, outside of Willem Dafoe's performance from Mars, has very little merit. It's a stupid movie that takes itself waaaay too seriously. And I mean there's Face/Off stupid and then there's Boondock Saints stupid and Boondock Saints stupid is the wrong kind of stupid. The whole thing is fueled by these silly, misguided ideals and then a last ditch effort at some kinda depth with the final scene just completely crashes and burns. Really, it plays like it was conceived and written by a particularly obnoxious 14 year old and even that might be giving it too much credit. It's almost inconceivable why this is the movie that catches on with the drunken frat crowd when there are legitimately dozens of post-Tarantino odes to violence that are more entertaining

[megladon8]

Eh, I personally think it's okay to hate on a movie solely because you don't like the kinds of people who like that movie or especially because the director is a douche.

That's pretty stupid, if you ask me.



In a perfect world, of course you'd be able to separate the art from the artist, but you know, fuck it. Essentially it's like what I have with the band Sublime. Sublime, though, at least, has some artistic merit. Boondock Saints, outside of Willem Dafoe's performance from Mars, has very little merit. It's a stupid movie that takes itself waaaay too seriously. And I mean there's Face/Off stupid and then there's Boondock Saints stupid and Boondock Saints stupid is the wrong kind of stupid. The whole thing is fueled by these silly, misguided ideals and then a last ditch effort at some kinda depth with the final scene just completely crashes and burns. Really, it plays like it was conceived and written by a particularly obnoxious 14 year old and even that might be giving it too much credit. It's almost inconceivable why this is the movie that catches on with the drunken frat crowd when there are legitimately dozens of post-Tarantino odes to violence that are more entertaining

See, you actually gave some respectable reasoning here. About the actual movie.

But if there was ever a movie with which you had absolutely no issue aside from "its fans annoy me", I'd say you're quite the poseur.

[Adam]

Well, I don't do it on purpose, but there are plenty things in pop culture that I have negative associations with solely because of the fanbase of whatever it is. Probably not fair to the actual art, but sometimes it's hard to not qualify certain aspects of my taste like that. I think that's just rational/natural

[Spun Lepton]

See, you actually gave some respectable reasoning here. About the actual movie.

It's a little frustrating that you immediately accuse people of disliking the film for its fanbase/creator when you know damn well many of us (well, me), have already made our cases for the movie itself in other threads. Just because I now choose to focus on what a douche Duffy is, doesn't mean I'm disliking the movie only for him. Had I never seen Overnight, I would still think the movie is crap. Duffy's involvement just means its a contemptable piece of crap.

[megladon8]

It's a little frustrating that you immediately accuse people of disliking the film for its fanbase/creator

No I don't. I read what you and Adam wrote, and responded to that. You were dissing the movie because of its fanbase/creator without any actual reasoning or fair criticisms, which I find a tad ridiculous regardless of who it is from or what movie it is related to.

EDIT: To provide some balance, I find it just as annoying when people talk about how terrible the "Twilight" books or movies are because they find the pre-teen girl audience to be annoying and ignorant.

My point - the work (whether it be literature, film, music or other) is separate from the audience that loves it, and should be judged accordingly.



...when you know damn well many of us (well, me), have already made our cases for the movie itself in other threads.

Again, no I don't. If you've discussed this ad-nauseum somewhere else, I apologize, but I don't keep tabs on posters. I don't remember everything everyone's discussed on every forum.

[Rowland]

I dislike Boondock Saints because of its complete lack of self-awareness in its sanctimonious fascism, its artless brand of smart-alecky cool that plays like your usual '90s Tarantino fanboy's shrill attempt at mimicking how they perceive his work, its casual embrace of homophobia/misogyny/vigilantism (the latter implicitly justified by religious intervention and the recitation of scripture in what reads like a particularly egregious misinterpretation of Pulp Fiction's Jules), and the ineptitude of its filmmaking. Dafoe is charismatic, I'll give you that, but his performance isn't enough to save a film whose sensibilities embolden many of its collective viewership's worst impulses.

[Spun Lepton]

I dislike Boondock Saints because of its complete lack of self-awareness in its sanctimonious fascism, its artless brand of smart-alecky cool that plays like your usual '90s Tarantino fanboy's shrill attempt at mimicking how they perceive his work, its casual embrace of homophobia/misogyny/vigilantism (the latter implicitly justified by religious intervention and the recitation of scripture in what reads like a particularly egregious misinterpretation of Pulp Fiction's Jules), and the ineptitude of its filmmaking. Dafoe is charismatic though, I'll give you that, but his performance isn't enough to save a film whose sensibilities embolden many of its collective viewership's worst impulses.

+100

[Dukefrukem]

Well, I don't do it on purpose, but there are plenty things in pop culture that I have negative associations with solely because of the fanbase of whatever it is. Probably not fair to the actual art, but sometimes it's hard to not qualify certain aspects of my taste like that. I think that's just rational/natural

People do it all the time. Esp on this forum. Look at hipsters and emmo music. Fuck em all.

[megladon8]

Yeah, that was a good post Rowland.

[Dukefrukem]

Dafoe is charismatic though, I'll give you that, but his performance isn't enough to save a film whose sensibilities embolden many of its collective viewership's worst impulses.

How come he couldn't save Speed 2? :lol:

[Sycophant]

Yeah, that was a bad post, Duke.

[Dukefrukem]

Okay. Back to my hole.

[Sycophant]

I made that post in reference to the one about hipsters and "emmo" music, not Speed 2.

[number8]

Boondock Saints, to me, is the textbook example of a filmmaker who wants to make a Tarantino film but doesn't really understand what makes a Tarantino film. There's no better example of it than this movie.

And this kind of movie is probably at the top of my "people who need to replace their camera with a steel dick to the teeth" list.

[Morris Schæffer]

How come he couldn't save Speed 2? :lol:

Because the fantastic action set pieces did. ;)

[Ezee E]

Boondock Saints, to me, is the textbook example of a filmmaker who wants to make a Tarantino film but doesn't really understand what makes a Tarantino film. There's no better example of it than this movie.

And this kind of movie is probably at the top of my "people who need to replace their camera with a steel dick to the teeth" list.
Now this is a good post.

[lovejuice]

Because the fantastic action set pieces did. ;)
someone out there likes speed 2? :eek:
i remember really really like the old theatre in which i saw this movie. it has that classic feel. not too big. the stereo not too hifi or too loud. not too many people came to see the movie. no wonder, it closed in less than a year. :P

[Dukefrukem]

someone out there likes speed 2? :eek:
i remember really really like the old theatre in which i saw this movie. it has that classic feel. not too big. the stereo not too hifi or too loud. not too many people came to see the movie. no wonder, it closed in less than a year. :P

The movie wouldn't be half bad if they didn't give Dafoe a weird leech obsession to make him 'the crazy bad guy' and if the ship didn't take 5 minutes to crash into the shore.

The final boat chase was the best part of the movie.

[Skitch]

Meg said everything I meant...only better. Indeed, sir, indeed.

[Spun Lepton]

I've wanted to know if Overnight struck a chord with Duffy. If maybe the pain and humiliation he suffered taught him a valuable life lesson or some such B.S.

It hasn't.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/26/boondock-saints-director-troy-duffy-responds-to-overnight-calls-the-documentary-an-unfair-smear-job/

[number8]

There's a funnier one from the premiere Q&A, which was full of Boondock fans. He asked the audience if anyone has seen Overnight and maybe 3 people raised their hands. Duffy was like, "There you go. The fans don't care."

[Dukefrukem]

This was a lot worse than I was expecting. There's absolutely nothing clever or funny in this movie, which is why the first gained such a large cult following. It's kinda sad.

[MadMan]

I had the misfortunate to see this movie, and yes it did indeed suck. It was simply a rehash of most of the first movie, and the action sequences were utterly terrible. Luckily I didn't pay for the rental.

[Dukefrukem]

I had the misfortunate to see this movie, and yes it did indeed suck. It was simply a rehash of most of the first movie, and the action sequences were utterly terrible. Luckily I didn't pay for the rental.

Does watching it on Netflix count as paying for it?

[MadMan]

Does watching it on Netflix count as paying for it?Heh, I guess it does.

[Spun Lepton]

This was a lot worse than I was expecting. There's absolutely nothing clever or funny in this movie, which is why the first gained such a large cult following. It's kinda sad.

I have a problem with the bolded statement.

[Dukefrukem]

I have a problem with the bolded statement.

Care to share?

[Qrazy]

Care to share?

It's the film's stalwart humanism that won Spun over.