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Milky Joe
07-12-2018, 05:38 AM
Early buzz on this is massively positive. Can't wait.
http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/mission-impossible-fallout-poster-tom-cruise-407x600.jpg
MadMan
07-12-2018, 05:55 AM
Yey another Mission Impossible flick. I have seen them all.
Stay Puft
07-12-2018, 07:23 AM
lowkey best action movie franchise
edit - don't forget to add a poll. thread tools -> add a poll. in the menu there above the thread.
Skitch
07-12-2018, 08:01 AM
I suspect they were foolin' in the trailer that Cruise and Cavill are fighting each other. Other than the scene on the cliff, it looks like tricksy editing to make it seem that way, when in fact they are not. Just a guess. .
Either way, looks fantastic.
Watashi
07-12-2018, 08:17 AM
Legit thought that said "McG" for a second and had a panic attack.
Dukefrukem
07-12-2018, 10:35 AM
Can't add a poll.
Can't add a poll.
I'll create another thread with a poll, so you can merge them.
To be merged with the other thread, now with poll intact.
Milky Joe
07-12-2018, 05:21 PM
Thanks for fixing. I was trying to figure out how to add it myself or delete and repost and couldn't do any of it.
Only the thread creator can edit and add a poll. I forgot with Ant-Man 2 and almost posted for a mod to fix it before I remember a past thread about this before. It's "Thread Tools" in the tab directly above the first post (along with "Search this Thread", "Rate this Thread" etc).
Dead & Messed Up
07-12-2018, 11:52 PM
Yeah, I'm with the internet boy bandwagon on this; this series is shockingly reliable and entertaining, especially the last two.
Ezee E
07-13-2018, 03:26 AM
Legit thought that said "McG" for a second and had a panic attack.
Ditto.
Milky Joe
07-13-2018, 04:01 AM
I am trying to avoid spoilers on this regarding any crazy stunts that happen. I have already seen the trailer, but thankfully it didn't seem to spoil anything like the last movie did with the plane ride.
Still partial to the joyful spirit and Brad Bird's animated mindset to crafting action set-pieces of Ghost Protocol, but this might be the most ambitious entry yet in its attempt to be an encapsulation of the whole franchise, resulting in some surprising emotional heft. The way it addresses recurring characters, still-loose plotlines, previous action visuals, and especially many past thematic threads of what it means to be a spy in this world, and to be Ethan Hunt in particular, makes the film feel so much like a culmination of what this franchise is about that it’s hard to picture what the next installment will look like.
Right from the first situation that foregrounds a moral crisis of sacrificing an innocent life to save many thousands more, the film will return to this question again and again in ways ranging from intensely personal to thrillingly global, paralleling it to the villain’s plans and Hunt’s storied history (with people questioning how Hunt can remain loyal to the institution that has him give up so much and shuns him often). That last aspect really makes this has both the franchise’s most cohesive (best?) story and most emotionally effective adventure, giving the intense action scenes even more gripping weight and exhilaration. There’s a reveal of simple inevitable pragmatism in the third act that nonetheless feels so unexpectedly adult for a summer blockbuster that it breaks my heart bit by bit throughout, until I almost gets teary by the end.
Lest it sounds like I make the film out towards heavy drama, it must be mentioned how that bit of pragmatism is contained within the third act’s climax of three spectacularly intense parallel action threads, including a thrilling use of IMAX to rival the Burj Khalifa climb. Generally I may still prefer Ghost Protocol’s action scenes, but the sheer tactile intensity of this one’s set-pieces, and of how relentlessly they pile up, really make them pretty equal. The first two big set-pieces alone, a breathtaking one-shot illusion of HALO jump and a deliciously wince-inducing bathroom brawl, could be the highlights/climaxes of other action films, and that's just the film getting started.
And being a culmination of sort also means some light self-awareness of its own legacy creeps in among the dark high stakes, from one character sneering at IMF’s use of face masks (“People really fall for this shit?”), to the way both good guys and villains alike get incredulous at how the impossible situations just keep piling on and at how Ethan Hunt just won’t stop accepting the challenge of overcoming them, to the film’s seemingly deliberate withholding of signature Hunt/Cruise run. That run is released on almost hilariously full blast later on, in a way that feels both thrilling within context (with a mournful sense at its end) and somehow knowingly affectionate. 8.5/10
Henry Gale
07-24-2018, 12:16 PM
Yup! Totally with you, Peng.
It's fuckin' good.
Just pure, seasoned thrill machine at its best with a reinvigorated exhilaration of in owning everything that's made it what it is to this point.
Just the simple fact that this movie is the first in the franchise to have a returning director / screenwriter (also McQuarrie is the first to be credited for both on his own here), villain, and even a prominent female character, all really makes it feel like such a true sequel and culmination that raises stakes and builds tension instead of doing the usual semi-clean slate of everyone who isn't Cruise, Rhames and Pegg.
They just need to do a 7th one as soon as possible, even if it sends Cruise to Mars for real, he films those scenes last, they're beamed back to Earth, and we never see him ever again. By the time the next one is released, he will have been playing this character for nearly a quarter century, so it's no wonder at this point he knows exactly how to steer these movies in the perfect direction.
Ezee E
07-27-2018, 04:43 AM
Yeah, this is very good. Wide use of action from tightly spaced fight scenes (where you can actually see what's happening), motorcycle chases, car chases, helicopter chases even... And all cleverly done.
The cat and mouse story is kind of eye-roll worthy but it's earnest enough in the performances that I enjoy it a lot.
I've become incredibly annoyed by the Fast and Furious saga, but I can get down with this.
transmogrifier
07-27-2018, 08:19 AM
Rewatched Ghost Protocol (66), Rogue Nation (63), and then this (65), and this has become one consistent series, both in terms of quality and tone. While I don't love any of the films, they are sturdy, well-made entertainment machines. You could take these last three films and lift out big chunks of them and piece them together into the best action film ever made, but Ghost Protocol just shades it on the strength of the first two acts and the final scene, which finally gives Hunt some personality, it's just a shame about the third act, which is kind of a snooze. Rogue Nation is a little more shaggy and has no great big standout set piece, but it does well to introduce Ilsa, which wisely takes some of the narrative emphasis off Hunt at least for a little while.
Fallout has the best third act of the three, but it has the most needlessly convoluted plot, and the ultimate bad guy is kind of wasted in the end. Biggest problem of all is Robert Elswit is missing - I would argue that he was close to the MVP of GP and RN - his lensing is awesome. Fallout is a lot muddier and less impressive in that regard. Still, it is a perpetual motion machine with great action scenes and just pure classical filmmaking from top to bottom.
Dukefrukem
07-27-2018, 12:24 PM
Cool poster
https://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2018/dannie/mission_impossible_fallout_pos ter_large.jpg
Skitch
07-28-2018, 12:21 AM
I am furious no one told me Wes Bentley was in this. H O W does this guy keeping getting work?
Ezee E
07-28-2018, 06:51 AM
I am furious no one told me Wes Bentley was in this. H O W does this guy keeping getting work?
Dude is terrible in this in a comical way. Alec Baldwin is also equally terrible in that it almost seems he's doing a SNL version of Mission: impossible. But everyone else works, especially Cavill
Mild nay. This is much too derivative of other spy films in and outside of this series. I can't care too much about Hunt anymore because his purpose is less about examining the character (like one scene would ask us to) and merely boils down to "well he's nuts and he runs." The threats never feel like threats, and Henry Cavill was just straight up fucking terrible. I did like the helicopter sequence but its spliced against other scenes that don't feel like there are any stakes. Its too bad Ving Rhames as Luther never just looked at the camera and declared "i'm too old for this shit" because frankly I am.
DavidSeven
07-30-2018, 10:35 PM
This could've been an action masterpiece if the character work and performances weren't such clear afterthoughts. The stunt work and practical effects are unbelievable, arguably the best that's ever been done for a big American film. The story is just engaging enough to get by, but the emotional beats don't land as strongly as they should. I haven't seen Henry Cavill in much, except for what I always assumed was an intentionally wooden portrayal of Superman, but I think it's finally dawned on me that the guy can't act (great presence, can't sell a line at all). The disconnect between Cruise and the audience is also growing larger. He used to be so good at drawing empathy. In the stuff I've seen him in more recently, there just seems to be something soullessly robotic about his performances.
Still, the action sequences deserve all superlatives. Stronger story elements and performances could've made this an all-timer.
Dead & Messed Up
08-05-2018, 02:18 AM
This continues to be an exceedingly well done and tense series of movies, especially the last three, which have hit a real groove. I don't think this film has the colorful iconic moments to match the Burj Khalifa and underwater heist sequences, although the climax comes close with its preposterous game of helicopter tag. I also dug the INDIANA JONES seat of their pants attitude and what looked like an allusion to THE THIRD MAN with Ethan and Ilsa evaluating each other between two rows of trees. (They're just touches, but they're knowing touches.) A little long, and I found the score Zimmering of the dullest kind (though never enough to truly distract), but that's about all I got for a film that had me giggling at its self-topping confidence.
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Skitch
08-08-2018, 10:46 PM
Lets do this!
6: M:I-2
5: M:I-Ghost Prote
4: M:I-3
3: M:I
2: M:I-Rogue Naysh
1: M:I-FALLOUT
Dead & Messed Up
08-08-2018, 11:47 PM
Lets do this!
6: M:I-2
5: M:I-Ghost Prote
4: M:I-3
3: M:I
2: M:I-Rogue Naysh
1: M:I-FALLOUT
1. GHOST PROTES
2. TEH ORIGINAL
3. ROUGE NATION
4. FALLEN
5. DOS
Unseen: THE ABRAMS ONE
transmogrifier
08-08-2018, 11:49 PM
Lets do this!
6: M:I-2
5: M:I-Ghost Prote
4: M:I-3
3: M:I
2: M:I-Rogue Naysh
1: M:I-FALLOUT
Hmm...after a recent rewatch
1. MI3
2. MI4
3. MI6
4. MI5
5. MI1
6. MI2
First three are very very close.
Dukefrukem
08-09-2018, 12:10 AM
Mission Impossible Franchise ranked (https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/mission-impossible-franchise-ranked/) is always available for folks to comment on.
As a bonus, I did All Espionage Films Ranked (https://letterboxd.com/dukefrukem/list/all-espionage-films-ranked-incomplete/)- What am I missing? What do you agree with? What don't you agree with?
Skitch
08-09-2018, 02:18 AM
First three are very very close.
Actual score wise I would say all but part 2 are very close.
Rogue Nation
Fallout
III
Ghost Protocol
II
I
Dukefrukem
08-09-2018, 11:07 AM
Not understanding the MI:I hate here.
Lazlo
08-09-2018, 11:48 AM
6
5
1
3
4
2
transmogrifier
08-09-2018, 12:28 PM
Not understanding the MI:I hate here.
I like MI:1. It and M3-6 all fall within the 60-67 range. Super consistent, without ever being brilliant.
transmogrifier
08-09-2018, 12:34 PM
In fact, they are so consistent, you could Frankenstein a single SuperMissionImpossible film from the components of the individual films:
Best Opening: MI4 prison break
Best Villain/Plot: MI3
Best Fight: MI6 bathroom
Best Mini-Heist: MI4 Kremlin or MI1 Langley or MI3 Kidnapping
Best Centerpiece Heist: Burj Khalifa
Best Chase: MI5 Casablanca
Best Third Act: MI6
Best Final Scene: MI4
Dukefrukem
08-09-2018, 12:38 PM
Though I agree that MI3 had the best "villain" (haven't seen 6 yet), I hate the ambiguous use of the mcguffin to drive the threat. I need a real threat. It's just JJ elbowing the audience over the duration of the run-time which is far more irritating than anything else in the franchise. At least John Woo knew what he was doing making a 90s action movie.
Plus the mask mistraction is just as bad as Disney's fake out deaths.
Morris Schæffer
08-09-2018, 12:53 PM
1. MI 1
2. MI 6
3. MI 4
4. MI 5
5. MI 3
6. MI 2
1. Ghost Protocol
2. Fallout
3. MI3
4. Rogue Nation
5. MI2
6. MI1
Skitch
08-09-2018, 04:39 PM
I can't believe any of you guys put part 2 anywhere but last place.
Part 2 is fun as hell, lol. It's the "awesomely bad" pick of the lot. :p
Dukefrukem
08-09-2018, 04:51 PM
The only thing that's fun about it is the last 10 minute, which hardly makes watching the whole thing worth it.
Skitch
08-09-2018, 05:59 PM
I'm curious if Woo's 3 hour cut would've been better. It has some fun scenes, but its just not on the level of the rest of the series.
Morris Schæffer
08-09-2018, 08:27 PM
I can't believe any of you guys put part 2 anywhere but last place.
I did. Still, there are worse movies than MI-2.
Morris Schæffer
08-09-2018, 08:29 PM
I don't recall PSH being so amazing. He wasn't in the picture for long stretches of the movie, I remember that scene where he threatens Ethan and I remember him being rescued on that bridge.
I may put Jon Voight ahead of him and possibly even Dougray Scott, but I'm probably pushing it with that last one.
Skitch
08-09-2018, 08:51 PM
I did. Still, there are worse movies than MI-2.
I agree, they just aren't other Mission Impossible movies :)
I mean, before rewatch I would actually think that my goofy opinion of 2 > 1 would be rectified, but it remains the same.
Anyway, my ranking reasoning, and long review dumps as a result of rewatching alert:
Mission: Impossible (1996) - 7/10
"Would you like to watch a movie?"
Up until yesterday I had watched all the Mission Impossible films, including Fallout, only once, and my dopey opinion is that they have progressively gotten better until Rogue Nation takes a slight step back, before Fallout takes a step forward to be almost equal to Ghost Protocol, my favorite. I figure I might finally do a full rewatch of the series before seeing Fallout again with my parents to clarify this years-spread opinion.
Funny that my first impression is renewed admiration of Fallout's ability to tie back to all the films without being depended on them, with the first scene here, which I'd all but forgotten, being employed again in one of Fallout's most satisfying reveals. Pretty much still the same thought otherwise: being both narratively thin and convolutedly plotted renders the story largely uninteresting at some stretches, which is a serious drawback for me because this happens to be the one entry where plot still matters more than set-pieces and is not besides the point. Marginal improvement (previously three stars) because I have an increased appreciation for its sturdy craftsmanship (the Langley break-in still astounds), and enjoy its auteuristic interests and touches now that I know who De Palma is on this watch.
Wish Vanessa Redgrave get an even more expanded role because her performance is pitched just right for this film's classical/playful tone. It's amazing though how exactly Vanessa Kirby (even their names alone are a serendipitous casting touch!) steals scenes in the same vein 22 years later without missing a beat.
Mission: Impossible II (2000) - 7/10
"He'll undoubtedly engage in some aerobatic insanity before he'll risk harming a hair on a security guard's head."
That, and also a momentary dilemma of killing one innocent in order to prevent the contamination of many more, make me think McQuarrie may draw on this for his attempt at a definitive MI more than just the rock-climbing. I was waiting for my opinion of this to drop on rewatch but it never came. Unapologetically silly and swoony, it injects a slight shot of intense 80s Asian actioner romanticism into the franchise, which suits the dopey stretch far better than last one's serious treatment. Leans a bit into too plain silly during the last 30 minutes, but those doves and motorcycle moves make me not much care.
(I had a memory before this rewatch that there was a shot of Cruise riding a motorcycle through a flock of flying doves, which disappointed me a bit that it turned out to be wrong)
Mission: Impossible III (2006) - 7.5/10
"But a normal relationship isn't viable for people like us... when you got the baggage we do and the lifestyle we got. In our job, there's always going to be something between you and a woman. Always."
"This isn't about you, Ethan. And whoever this girl is, you're going to end up messing up her life too. Don't do it."
The series' Rosetta Stone? If not, at the very least it's the one that benefits most/is greatly enriched from the following entries, since so much of current M:I ethos is built from this film. Even Hunt's extended full-speed run starts here. This might be the least distinctively directed of the franchise (and of Abrams' oeuvre), thus the set-pieces suffer at times even though they're generally so well thought-out and propulsive, but it's so much compensated in other ways. Of course there's Hoffman's villain, always magnetic whether frighteningly unafraid or intoning Cruise's "wassup" as Hunt-in-disguise. But most of all, I love the way Abrams deftly does away with potentially clunky exposition/familiar beats to hone in on wonderful character-oriented details (maybe the best of "appointment tv" instinct he carries over): perversely skipping most of Hunt's central "impossible" mission to show his teammates' rapport, hoping for his success; or quickly dispatching with villains in order to focus the climax on Ethan/Julia instead.
About that: considering the running time devoted to it, the romance on its own is already more richly and sensitively portrayed than most blockbusters, but the following entries, all of which McQuarrie has a hand in, will clinch Hunt's life going forward from this romance, to become the lone man with a team he is now. The foreknowledge only makes the easy chemistry between Cruise and Monaghan more heartrending, especially in that wedding scene which McQuarrie will echo down the line. I also forgot how much Hunt is warned against having a life partner, by both friends (above) and enemies ("She can go on to have a life") alike. That makes the last scene, in which those who warn him celebrate and see the couple off, both joyful and now ominously poignant.
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol (2011) - 8.5/10
"That would take special skills, and you cannot do it alone."
I don't know how much of a disappointment MI3 was considered at the time, whether for the franchise or for Cruise's star image, but this has the feeling of being rehabilitation for both, outsides and insides the film. Set-pieces finally and successfully become the main draw, and Cruise himself dials his cockiness in character way down, which fits this version of Hunt. This time all the agents sans Benji have their own haunting tragedy/failure to deal with, which threatens to drive them apart to do their own thing. But each impossibility of the set-pieces all but demands a group effort, folding them back together again each time. That sense of rehabilitation as a group in the coda, in which Renner receives one too, is what makes the ending so moving, apart from the unexpected clarification of MI3's one lingering question.
Said it often that this one's Pixar-like ingenuity and flexibility are what makes the set-pieces so good, but this rewatch makes me think that, like many Pixar films, the general joyfulness also makes its few stabs at drama (mid-film team fight that reveals Hunt's past, and that ending) hit so effortlessly, and hard. In fact, this is the only entry where it feels effortless and spectacular in equally high order, where the easy-going joy feeds into action and drama and back again, infecting each set-piece with nervous comedy that helps drive up the suspense wonderfully.
Continuity notes:
- Pegg's Benji finally assumes his final form here, after surprising me when he showed up first in III, still unformed and untrained. In general he exemplifies the joy of this entry pretty well. ("Everybody gets to wear a mask but Benji!" If you only knew. Wonder if it's McQuarrie planting that in there to pay off later?)
- Making me think of Batman Begins's The Joker card, The Syndicate is mentioned first at the very end of this one.
Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation (2015) - 7.5/10
"Uniquely trained and highly motivated, he is a specialist without equal, immune to any countermeasures. There is no secret he cannot extract, no security he cannot breach, no person he cannot become."
The Ethan Hunt mythmaking starts here. Remains sturdy, exciting, and impressive without fully taking off like Ghost Protocol, and I now see why in light of Fallout. It works as a complete film but contain elements of being like a part 1, where the villain's ideology feels tip-of-iceberg in its writing, and Hunt's character arc is in stasis for the first time since II as McQuarrie lays down his myth so it can be challenged later in the next one (and before Fallout's franchise summation, Rogue Nation begins the process of referring to past adventures here). The twisty narrative full of solid set-pieces are still propulsive and engaging enough though.
And as for character writing, the film more than compensates for Hunt spectacularly with newcomer Ilsa Faust, whose Rebecca Ferguson never makes her less than Hunt's equal in her steeliness and efficiency, but still locates vulnerability in her arc so well. Even the hint of romance works despite the age difference, since it feels so unconventionally like a connection of situational necessity, equal survival skills, and shared professional pains; her "option three" to Hunt barely wavers in emotions or tones from the former two at all, but her eyes tell us all we need to know about the want for a life beyond this one.
MadMan
08-10-2018, 06:21 AM
Best one in the series. Also:
Fallout
Ghost Protocol
Rogue Nation
Mission: Impossible
M:I 3
MI: 2
I have seen 2, 3, 5 and 6 in theaters. I like all of them, although 2 is beyond cheesy and 3 tries way too hard.
Neclord
08-18-2018, 10:54 PM
This movie really kicks you in the butt.
Dukefrukem
08-19-2018, 10:58 PM
First MI I've liked in a while- which is interesting because I thought Rogue Nation was the weakest story in the franchise (and this movie is a direct sequel to that movie, which I didn't know going in), and I've complained about how tired the rouge / mole agent story has been in previous installments. Even though the intro scene was super predictable, as was the mask scene later in the movie, trying to decode the stances of the terrorists, MI6, IMF, and the CIA was a somehow an interesting dynamic.
This movie now has the best fight scene in the franchise (bathroom), the best car chase in the franchise (motorcycle to car) and the best humanitarian piece (ex-wife reintroduced). It's the first time the stakes felt real, even though the threat was just another nuclear device. The scene on the street with the French female cop was excellent.
dreamdead
12-19-2018, 02:12 PM
Ended up watching this on a plane from Dublin to Chicago (along with Jurassic World: Sequel and The Predator), and this was transparently the best of the batch. The double cross was stupidly revealed during trailers, but the film held decent tension despite this, and the cast delivers their material gamely. Some of the ol' "how are we gonna escape from this scenario?" actually worked, which was a warm welcome for me (who's on contemporary action film fatigue).
I was left with only two complaints.
1) The fact that the one helicopter has a cargo shipment seems --unless my memory failed me -- to only exist to allow Cruise to grab onto it and start his ascent.
2) Must every woman in the film kiss Cruise to establish his masculinity?
Otherwise, a welcome and quality film.
Dead & Messed Up
12-19-2018, 03:30 PM
1. GHOST PROTES
2. TEH ORIGINAL
3. ROUGE NATION
4. FALLEN
5. DOS
Unseen: THE ABRAMS ONE
This movie is better the more I think about it and clearly shouldn't be stuck in fourth place. This flick just about matches Ghost Protocol. This movie is fucking delightful.
Dukefrukem
12-19-2018, 05:59 PM
The original is clearly the best. This franchise is more overrated than the Bourne series. Ghost Protocol does not hold up with multiple viewings, there I said it.
Grouchy
01-30-2019, 11:59 AM
I spent the entire movie cringing every time they said IMF because it's the same acronym as the International Monetary Fund which, quite frankly, is doing such sizable damage to my country it was hard to swallow them as the heroes of an action flick.
Anyway, I'm not as impressed as most with this. It has a couple of really excellent scenes spread across an unreasonably long running time. It still brings a better 007 game than the actual contemporary 007 franchise, but... I could have done with a shorter movie all the same. Oh and Henry Cavill can't act worth a damn.
Pop Trash
01-30-2019, 05:29 PM
I spent the entire movie cringing every time they said IMF because it's the same acronym as the International Monetary Fund which, quite frankly, is doing such sizable damage to my country it was hard to swallow them as the heroes of an action flick.
Are you in Venezuela?
Dukefrukem
01-30-2019, 05:33 PM
Argentina if I recall.
Irish
01-30-2019, 08:55 PM
Anyway, I'm not as impressed as most with this. It has a couple of really excellent scenes spread across an unreasonably long running time. It still brings a better 007 game than the actual contemporary 007 franchise, but... I could have done with a shorter movie all the same. Oh and Henry Cavill can't act worth a damn.
Yep. The set pieces were terrific but the movie was exhausting.
StuSmallz
01-31-2019, 06:20 AM
Anyway, I'm not as impressed as most with this. It has a couple of really excellent scenes spread across an unreasonably long running time. It still brings a better 007 game than the actual contemporary 007 franchise, but... I could have done with a shorter movie all the same. Oh and Henry Cavill can't act worth a damn.I felt similarly (https://letterboxd.com/stusmallz/film/mission-impossible-fallout/); I mean, I did think that Fallout was pretty exciting stuff, and it certainly had some of the best action scenes/setpieces I've seen from any Hollywood blockbuster in recent memory, but my eyes couldn't help but start to glaze over just a little bit during the plot-ier bits, which were driven by the same kind of shady spy intrigue, gadget gimmickery, and inevitable double-crosses we've all seen in these movies a million times already, only made far messier and convoluted than they needed to be, of course, since McQuarrie's the one who's writing it, and the character-centric stuff, while a little better, still didn't make me care much because it felt like the movie itself didn't care much, so there's not much point to it. At its core, this series has always been about making excuses for Tom Cruise to find new, entertaining ways to almost kill himself for 2 hours, an aspect that Fallout does have in spades, but it also dilutes the joy of that by piling too many unnecessary elements on top, so, again, while I did enjoy it pretty well on the whole, it still could've lived up to more of its potential in the end, IMO.
Milky Joe
02-02-2019, 10:07 PM
Oh and Henry Cavill can't act worth a damn.
I love this movie but agree with this.
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