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Qrazy
03-23-2008, 06:32 AM
... Is getting old. I demand we now review all films through the lens of Rousseau and Romanticism or Cartesian skepticism. That is all.

Melville
03-23-2008, 01:17 PM
I demand we now review all films through the lens of Rousseau and Romanticism or Cartesian skepticism.
Hmm... Nah.

monolith94
03-23-2008, 04:53 PM
I guess the fact that I've been viewing films through the skein of Kantian philosophy has whizzed over your head.

Melville
03-23-2008, 05:17 PM
I guess the fact that I've been viewing films through the skein of Kantian philosophy has whizzed over your head.
I think Kant's Transcendental Idealism lays the foundation for phenomenological and hence existential analysis, so he's got you covered.

monolith94
03-23-2008, 05:52 PM
I refuse to be categorically imperaticized!!!

Melville
03-23-2008, 06:10 PM
I refuse to be categorically imperaticized!!!
Now there's a nonsense pun I can get behind.

Qrazy
03-23-2008, 09:27 PM
Hmm... Nah.

Ok, I'll make an exception for you. You can Thomas Aquinasize a film of your choice, but that's the best I can do.

Melville
03-23-2008, 10:02 PM
Ok, I'll make an exception for you. You can Thomas Aquinasize a film of your choice, but that's the best I can do.
Jeez, these options are getting worse and worse. At least I've read the Romantics and Descartes. Maybe I'll write a review based on Anselm's ontological argument, just for you.

Qrazy
03-23-2008, 10:55 PM
Jeez, these options are getting worse and worse. At least I've read the Romantics and Descartes. Maybe I'll write a review based on Anselm's ontological argument, just for you.

Don't make me open up a can of Leibniz on your ass. Aquinasize!

Boner M
03-23-2008, 11:04 PM
I agree that this obsession is getting way out of hand. Here are a few things that we should discuss more instead:

Inappropriate tonal shifts
Art vs. Entertainment
Paul Verhoeven
Funny Games
Whether ________ nihilistic or not

And so on.

origami_mustache
03-23-2008, 11:18 PM
I agree that this obsession is getting way out of hand. Here are a few things that we should discuss more instead:

Inappropriate tonal shifts
Art vs. Entertainment
Paul Verhoeven
Funny Games
Whether ________ nihilistic or not

And so on.


hahaha rep

Qrazy
03-23-2008, 11:31 PM
I agree that this obsession is getting way out of hand. Here are a few things that we should discuss more instead:

Inappropriate tonal shifts
Art vs. Entertainment
Paul Verhoeven
Funny Games
Whether ________ nihilistic or not

And so on.

Don't forget Armond White.

Benny Profane
03-24-2008, 12:02 AM
If I see the word "meta" one more time...

Melville
03-24-2008, 01:06 AM
Let's throw in genre subversion while we're at it. Everybody likes discussing genre subversion, right?

Qrazy
03-24-2008, 01:10 AM
And ranking strategies.

Spinal
03-24-2008, 01:35 AM
I can deal with all of these as long as we cut back on discussing 'internet videos and/or pictures involving poop'.

Melville
03-24-2008, 01:39 AM
I can deal with all of these as long as we cut back on discussing 'internet videos and/or pictures involving poop'.
I was going to make a joke about that being the lifeblood of the forum, but then I realized that I agreed with you.

Kurosawa Fan
03-24-2008, 01:41 AM
I can deal with all of these as long as we cut back on discussing 'internet videos and/or pictures involving poop'.

This is popular? Am I viewing the wrong threads? Or are you joking. You're probably joking. Disregard this post.

Spinal
03-24-2008, 01:43 AM
Or are you joking. You're probably joking.

I wish I was.

Kurosawa Fan
03-24-2008, 02:23 AM
I wish I was.

Really? Care to clue me in? What am I missing around here?

Derek
03-24-2008, 02:28 AM
Really? Care to clue me in? What am I missing around here?

http://a463.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/48/l_3d4cbe434cda92524ca5f3ed605b 9336.jpg

Please don't ban me.

MadMan
03-24-2008, 09:52 AM
I guess the fact that I've been viewing films through the skein of Kantian philosophy has whizzed over your head.Ugh, Kant. Apparently philosphy allows you to completely disregard any sense of proper grammar and sentence structure :P As for his beliefs, from what I remember (I read some of his stuff last year in college) I found them to be way too rigid. But hey maybe I'll revisit him sometime.

Kurosawa Fan
03-24-2008, 12:32 PM
http://a463.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/48/l_3d4cbe434cda92524ca5f3ed605b 9336.jpg

Please don't ban me.

See, I avoided that video from its first mention. I was under the impression it was vomit in the cup. I'm not sure which is better.

Qrazy
03-24-2008, 12:59 PM
See, I avoided that video from its first mention. I was under the impression it was vomit in the cup. I'm not sure which is better.

It's both!

Melville
03-24-2008, 01:51 PM
It's both!
When I first heard the title, I assumed it was urine in the cup... which now seems positively arousing compared to the truth.

Melville
03-24-2008, 01:58 PM
Ugh, Kant. Apparently philosphy allows you to completely disregard any sense of proper grammar and sentence structure :P As for his beliefs, from what I remember (I read some of his stuff last year in college) I found them to be way too rigid. But hey maybe I'll revisit him sometime.
The translations I've read seem to conform pretty well to 18th century grammar, which seems appropriate. Did you read his ethics or his critical philosophy? A lot of people think his ethical system is too rigid (although I think it's brilliant), but his Critique of Pure Reason is solid gold by anybody's standard.

lovejuice
03-24-2008, 03:48 PM
to me all movies are superflat.

MadMan
03-24-2008, 05:37 PM
The translations I've read seem to conform pretty well to 18th century grammar, which seems appropriate. Did you read his ethics or his critical philosophy? A lot of people think his ethical system is too rigid (although I think it's brilliant), but his Critique of Pure Reason is solid gold by anybody's standard.Well in that case 18th century grammar just isn't my bag I suppose. Heh.

I believe I read his ethics only, although I feel like I have heard of his Critique of Pure Reason. If I haven't read that I may check it out sometime.

SirNewt
03-26-2008, 04:52 AM
If I see the word "meta" one more time...

What about the words, "postmodern masterpiece"?

SirNewt
03-26-2008, 05:41 AM
The translations I've read seem to conform pretty well to 18th century grammar, which seems appropriate. Did you read his ethics or his critical philosophy? A lot of people think his ethical system is too rigid (although I think it's brilliant), but his Critique of Pure Reason is solid gold by anybody's standard.

Sorry if this is off topic but what didn't you like about The Man Who Fell to Earth? I haven't seen it, but the idea of contemporary gnostic adventure excited me so it's in my Netflix queue.

Qrazy
03-26-2008, 03:57 PM
Sorry if this is off topic but what didn't you like about The Man Who Fell to Earth? I haven't seen it, but the idea of contemporary gnostic adventure excited me so it's in my Netflix queue.

I know this isn't directed at me but it's one of the most moronic, meandering and purposeless films ever made... so that might have something to do with it.

Melville
03-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Sorry if this is off topic but what didn't you like about The Man Who Fell to Earth? I haven't seen it, but the idea of contemporary gnostic adventure excited me so it's in my Netflix queue.
Roeg's direction was just too aggressively silly for me. I guess it would be pretty easy to interpret the alien's fall to earth as the Gnostic's fall into the debased material world, but I don't think the film really has much to say about Gnosticism. Mind you, I don't know much about Gnosticism.

Qrazy
03-26-2008, 04:09 PM
Roeg's direction was just too aggressively silly for me. I guess it would be pretty easy to interpret the alien's fall to earth as the Gnostic's fall into the debased material world, but I don't think the film really has much to say about Gnosticism. Mind you, I don't know much about Gnosticism.

I've always assumed it had something to do with the gnashing of one's food, or lack of food rather.

SirNewt
03-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Roeg's direction was just too aggressively silly for me. I guess it would be pretty easy to interpret the alien's fall to earth as the Gnostic's fall into the debased material world, but I don't think the film really has much to say about Gnosticism. Mind you, I don't know much about Gnosticism.

Well, there is also the idea that there is purpose in the fall, that the fallen individual has something to achieve and that the individual before his fall not only knew his/her purpose but also knew everything. Ultimately, the fall has caused each individual to forget everything and the process of remembrance that would normally occur has been subdued by the many distractions of the material world.

That's a pretty basic explanation. Perhaps, you already knew all that.

Melville
03-27-2008, 12:32 AM
Well, there is also the idea that there is purpose in the fall, that the fallen individual has something to achieve and that the individual before his fall not only knew his/her purpose but also knew everything. Ultimately, the fall has caused each individual to forget everything and the process of remembrance that would normally occur has been subdued by the many distractions of the material world.

That's a pretty basic explanation. Perhaps, you already knew all that.
I was not aware that there is typically supposed to be a purpose to the fall; wasn't it all that damn demiurge's fault?

SirNewt
03-27-2008, 01:12 AM
I was not aware that there is typically supposed to be a purpose to the fall; wasn't it all that damn demiurge's fault?

Nope, sorry, don't know what I was snorting earlier. I should've said that the fall, provides a purpose. That purpose being the return to knowing. Therefore, the fallen should seek out the incarnation or manifestations of the perfect being, who is in opposition to the demiurges.

I haven't seen TMWFtE yet but I was told many of the gnostic themes are present. I guess I'll have to wait and see it.

Qrazy
03-27-2008, 01:27 AM
Nope, sorry, don't know what I was snorting earlier. I should've said that the fall, provides a purpose. That purpose being the return to knowing. Therefore, the fallen should seek out the incarnation or manifestations of the perfect being, who is in opposition to the demiurges.

I haven't seen TMWFtE yet but I was told many of the gnostic themes are present. I guess I'll have to wait and see it.

Still, can't really appreciate what you've got until you lost it right? God don't know what he be missin'.