Match Cut Director Consensus - Abel Ferrara

[Ezee E]

Alrighty, so we're on to week six of the consensus. PLEASE review the rules and information contained in the main thread:

Results & Rules (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=426)

Week Seven: Abel Ferrara

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*NOTE: I will probably be posting results late Saturday night due to travel arrangements. You can continue to post scores in the main thread.

[Boner M]

King of New York - 7.0
Bad Lieutenant - 6.5
The Addiction - 6.0
Body Snatchers - 7.5
The Funeral - 6.5

I like him more than my ratings suggest. Might watch Mary this week.

[Ezee E]

King of New York - 5.5
Bad Lieutenant - 9
Body Snatchers - 5

[Grouchy]

King of New York - 8
Bad Lieutenant - 8
The Addiction - 6

[Russ]

The Driller Killer - 5.0
Ms. 45 - 8.0
Fear City - 4.5
King of New York - 7.5
Bad Lieutenant - 8.0
Body Snatchers - 5.5

[Sven]

Bad Lieutenant - 6
Body Snatchers - 6
The Funeral - 4
The Blackout - 7

I'm contemplating not counting The Blackout or Body Snatchers, as I barely recollect them, but I remember the impressions they left with me. I suppose I'll let them stay.

[MacGuffin]

Ms. 45 2
King of New York 10
'R Xmas 3

I've seen Bad Lieutenant once, but it was only the edited Hollywood Video version, now that I have Netflix, eventually I'll probably give it another go.

[Spinal]

Bad Lieutenant - 5.5
Dangerous Game - 3.5

[Mysterious Dude]

King of New York - 6.5
Bad Lieutenant - 8.5

[dreamdead]

I'll get to Ms. 45 in a few. I've wanted to see Bad Lieutenant for ages, but not sure if I can handle one more movie of Kietel's wang. And though I've seen none of the man's work yet, I'm surprised by Spinal's ambivalence... from what I've read, I'd figure the sensibilities would link together well...

[Spinal]

And though I've seen none of the man's work yet, I'm surprised by Spinal's ambivelance... from what I've read, I'd figure the sensibilities would link together well...

I'm not typically a fan of dreary naturalism. I do like Mike Leigh though.

[Raiders]

Driller Killer (1979) - 5.5
Ms. 45 (1981) - 9.5
King of New York (1990) - 8.0
Bad Lieutenant (1992) - 9.0
Body Snatchers (1993) - 7.0
The Addiction (1995) - 9.0
The Funeral (1996) - 8.5
'R Xmas (2001) - 8.0

[Rowland]

King of New York - 6.0
Body Snatchers - 6.0

[soitgoes...]

Just so we at Match-Cut don't get mocked by others, it should be "Ferrara" not "Ferrera." Abel and his parents would appreciate it.

[Rowland]

Just so we at Match-Cut don't get mocked by others, it should be "Ferrara" not "Ferrera." Abel and his parents would appreciate it.Yeah, speaking for myself, getting mocked by Abel's decrepit Pappy wouldn't be cool.

[soitgoes...]

Yeah, speaking for myself, getting mocked by Abel's decrepit Pappy wouldn't be cool.
Way to play it safe. Smart man, my friend. Smart man.

[Rowland]

Way to play it safe. Smart man, my friend. Smart man.You never know. Some people have strange fetishes.

[Yxklyx]

Ms. 45 - 8
Bad Lieutenant - 6

[Yxklyx]

Ms. 45 2


Does not compute.

[Qrazy]

King of New York (1990) - 7.0
Bad Lieutenant (1992) - 7.5

I thought both of these were quite competent. I should probably bump BL up to an 8.0 but I'll err on the side of caution. So Ms. 45 next then?

[Qrazy]

Driller Killer (1979) - 5.5
Ms. 45 (1981) - 9.5
King of New York (1990) - 8.0
Bad Lieutenant (1992) - 9.0
Body Snatchers (1993) - 7.0
The Addiction (1995) - 9.0
The Funeral (1996) - 8.5
'R Xmas (2001) - 8.0

Some day I'd like to see your top 100 hated films list.

[D_Davis]

I've seen Driller Killer and Ms 45, but not recently enough to rate them fairly. I remember not liking them at all though.

I got about 1/2 through The Bad Lieutenant, but I turned it off because it was absolutely dreadful. One of my least favorite films I've ever watched part of. I can't rate this one fairly either.

King of New York - 5
Body Snatchers - 6
The Addiction - 6

[Qrazy]

I've seen Driller Killer and Ms 45, but not recently enough to rate them fairly. I remember not liking them at all though.

I got about 1/2 through The Bad Lieutenant, but I turned it off because it was absolutely dreadful. One of my least favorite films I've ever watched part of. I can't rate this one fairly either.

King of New York - 5
Body Snatchers - 6
The Addiction - 6

What did you dislike so much about it? The seeming lack of purpose behind the whole affair?

[D_Davis]

What did you dislike so much about it? The seeming lack of purpose behind the whole affair?

Pretty much everything about it. It just didn't resonate with me on any level.

[Melville]

Bad Lieutenant - 8

[Bosco B Thug]

I've only seen Body Snatchers crappily presented on television, so I'm not sure if I should rate it... I'm pretty sure it's a "ehhhh mehhh" but I'm not sure its precise place on the 10pt scale.

Body Snatchers - 5.5/10
Ms. 45 - 7.5/10

[transmogrifier]

Some day I'd like to see your top 100 hated films list.

And I yours. I'm pretty sure you're not spoilt for choice.

[transmogrifier]

I think I've seen one, two or possibly all three of The Funeral, The Addiction and The Blackout, but I'm honestly not sure.

[Qrazy]

And I yours. I'm pretty sure you're not spoilt for choice.

Didn't mean anything by it ( maybe you didn't either), he has a very good top 100, the man just likes his cinema, so I'd like to see what he doesn't like. I'm sure there's lots (I've just heard about it less) but I find it provides a more well rounded sense of what a person is into and where they're coming from, knowing both what they like and what they dislike. I like it sometimes when people don't like films I like or like films I dislike. I believe fairly strongly their artistic benchmarks for quality and integrity in art but if there weren't a purely subjective element, things would get fairly boring.

But yeah I have about 200 more films on 1001 films to see before you die. I'm a completionist, so I'd kind of like to finish that before I finally make a top 100 and I'd like to make a top 100 before I make a bottom 100. Master of Disguise would be up there though.

[Raiders]

Some day I'd like to see your top 100 hated films list.

I'll get on that. But, as I said before, those ratings should have been expected. I believe I'm easily his biggest fan on this site.

[Mysterious Dude]

Didn't mean anything by it ( maybe you didn't either), he has a very good top 100, the man just likes his cinema, so I'd like to see what he doesn't like. I'm sure there's lots (I've just heard about it less) but I find it provides a more well rounded sense of what a person is into and where they're coming from, knowing both what they like and what they dislike. I like it sometimes when people don't like films I like or like films I dislike. I believe fairly strongly their artistic benchmarks for quality and integrity in art but if there weren't a purely subjective element, things would get fairly boring.

You could always check his blog (http://voyeuristicmalady.blogspot.com/) (for everything in purple).

[Raiders]

You could always check his blog (http://voyeuristicmalady.blogspot.com/) (for everything in purple).

Heh, indeed. Really, black and purple are films I don't really like (I'm just more ambivalent about those in black).

Though I have been wanting to get together a group or list of films I was majorly disappointed by (not necessarily a worst list, just a "biggest downer" list). But, there's probably enough lists on the first page right now.

[DavidSeven]

Sure, why not...

Ms. 45 - 7.5
Bad Lieutenant - 8.0

[Qrazy]

Heh, indeed. Really, black and purple are films I don't really like (I'm just more ambivalent about those in black).

Though I have been wanting to get together a group or list of films I was majorly disappointed by (not necessarily a worst list, just a "biggest downer" list). But, there's probably enough lists on the first page right now.

There are never enough lists. How did you feel about the second Pirates film? I share your dislike for the last one.

[trotchky]

Bad Lieutenant - 10.

[soitgoes...]

King of New York - 7.0

[Izzy Black]

King of New York 6
Bad Lieutenant 8
The Addiction 10
Body Snatchers 7
The Funeral 6
New Rose Hotel 8 (the final scene is arguably the best sequence of his career)
Mary 8

[dreamdead]

Ms. 45 - 8.5

Overall, incredible sound design for the film and the first hour is remarkably harrowing in its psychological study. Things seem to shift tone, albeit almost imperceptibly, once Anne gets to the Halloween party. Even the little snapshots of the other conversations distort an otherwise largely subjective experience. Oh, and I'm not a fan of the dog's return, even if it makes sense narratively.

[Ezee E]

Added King of New York... 5.5

[MacGuffin]

Added King of New York... 5.5

:sad:

Nice av though. What is it?

[Ezee E]

:sad:

Nice av though. What is it?
It's from a Casino movie poster.

[Watashi]

Bad Lieutenant - 9

[Derek]

King of New York - 6.0

[Ezee E]

Bad Lieutenant - 8
For some reason, I thought you'd hate it.

[Watashi]

For some reason, I thought you'd hate it.
Why? Because Keitel's a despicable character?

[Ezee E]

Why? Because Keitel's a despicable character?
You usually just don't like those type of movies

[origami_mustache]

I want to see Go Go Tales (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/NYFF-Go-Go-Tales-6566.html).

[Boner M]

Any reason for the upgrade on your BL rating, Wats?

[Watashi]

Any reason for the upgrade on your BL rating, Wats?
It's pretty much dominated my thoughts the past day. The final twenty minutes is absolutely compelling, and the Lieutenant's outburst at the church showcases Keitel's naked performance. Sure, there are some uncomfortable moments to sit through, but it's payoff is huge, and I love the constant back and forth clashes from the baseball game to the BL's own personal demons. It's a nice touch.

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

Bad Lieutenant - 7

[Ezee E]

RESULTS:
1. Bad Lieutenant - 7.78 (16)
2. The Addiction - 7.4 (5)
3. Ms. 45 - 7.29 (7)
4. King of New York - 6.89 (14)
5. The Funeral - 6.25 (4)
6. Body Snatchers - 5.55 (9)

DID NOT QUALIFY:
The Driller Killer (5.25/1)
Fear City (4.5/1)
Dangerous Game (3.5/1)
The Blackout (7/1)
New Rose Hotel (8/1)
'R Xmas (5.5/2)
Mary (7.5/2)

Sorry, no graph this week.

BIGGEST AND MOST DEDICATED FAN: Raiders
BIGGEST HATER Spinal

[Spinal]

BIGGEST HATER Spinal

Well, I've only seen two films. One of which, no one else has apparently seen.

[Qrazy]

'R Xmas (2001) - 8.0

Care to extrapolate? In typical Ferrara style he keeps the drama above par but the film just felt so empty and ultimately pointless to me.