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Peng
04-26-2017, 03:34 PM
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Peng
04-26-2017, 03:40 PM
This feels like the first film on drunk mode, for better and worse. As much as people deride the "formula" of the first, it at least builds to a stirring climatic moment that tie in the two arcs of Peter's past and his make-shift new family beautifully. This, on the other hand, throws so many mini-teamups and little arcs into the air, without a care in the world on how, with so little plot this time, they will fare in the end. They all have a nice thematic throughline about family, but personally I find about half of them get moved along and/or tied up in short melodramatic bursts and expositions that are far from satisfying, with none reaching the first one's high(s).

However, its more drunken enthusiasm has some merits. Without the more fixed formula of the first one, Vol. 2 contains even more of the delightful character moments and blissful hang-out vibe. Indeed, during the first half where there is no need to address the drama yet, I was thinking there is a good chance this might even surpass the first one, based on sheer joyful highs alone, with character combinations and chemistry paying off wonderfully non-stop. Maybe next time, if they have a chance for individual installments again, let's dispense with the big (melo)dramatic moments altogether if they are getting in the way of these characters hanging out.

Also, at least James Gunn seems more confident as a director this time out. More fluid, clearer direction, with even more popping colors and (big improvement over the first) beautiful compositions. This might be middle-of-the-road for the studio, but I have no trouble calling it the most gorgeous Marvel yet.

Peng
04-26-2017, 03:46 PM
Ranking (or even rating) this is tricky for me; it's all over the place, with its highs so good and its lows so meh that I can place it high below Thor or way down below the first Captain. For now, let's just say I like its exuberant highs better than the first Iron Man's consistency.

Captain America: Civil War (2016)
The Avengers (2012)
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
Thor (2011)
Iron Man 3 (2013)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
Iron Man (2008)
Doctor Strange (2016)
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
Iron Man 2 (2010)
Ant-Man (2015)
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Thor: The Dark World (2013)

Gizmo
04-30-2017, 09:10 PM
I agree. It really was all over the place. It was mostly fun, so I (currently) side on the 4 side of 3.5 (since there's no half star votes here), but that's based more on the fun of the film than the story of the film. Also, Baby Groot, while cute, was almost too cute, making me come to dread seeing him on the screen as the film wore on.

transmogrifier
05-02-2017, 02:30 PM
How is this 137 minutes long?

Dukefrukem
05-02-2017, 02:39 PM
I'm bracing for Avengers 3 and 4 to both be 180 minutes.

transmogrifier
05-03-2017, 08:18 AM
How is this 137 minutes long?

Yeah, having seen it, there is no way this needed to be 137 minutes long. Get rid of all of the mid- and end-credits scenes - they are literally all pointless, sub-DVD extra uselessness - and severely cut down on Kurt Russell's tour guide shtick on the planet and his interminable over-explanation of everything for a start. The rest is decent - the ride is definitely bordering on the formulaic, and the humor is a lot less successful this time around, but there are some nice shaggy hang-out scenes (Groot trying to get the fin) that earn their indulgent length and the opening credits are inspired. The biggest thing that knocks this into the lower-upper bracket of the Marvel movies is that it contains some of the most genuinely moving moments of this universe to date - plus it is just not afraid to be goofy and weird.

Melville
05-04-2017, 08:39 AM
I thought this was pretty weak. It does what most disappointing sequels do: seizes on what made the first one good and pushes those elements too hard. Where the humor and soundtrack of the first one felt natural to me, this one just feels insistent about its jokes and musical setups. The jokes are often overly repetitive or feel like shoehorned non sequiturs, and they only occasionally land. They're also a lot crasser than I remember them being in the first movie.

Dukefrukem
05-05-2017, 02:49 AM
Didn't love it. The team is starting to shape up and I really enjoy the banter. I wish there was more of it. In my head I was letting this shape up as a the GotG Empire Strikes Back. Team starts out together at the beginning, they split up, have a couple of separate story arcs, reunite in the end, bing bang boom, setup GotG3. But I find very little things I want to gush over. Kurt Russel was great- and I thought the depiction of Ego on the screen was perfect. It's not an easy thing to do to turn this (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/9/90/Ego_%28Earth-616%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20070512151136)into a character in Hollywood. Finale was fine I suppose. Name drop Thanos a couple of times, introduce Adam Warlock into the MCU, introduce Eternity into the MCU and this feels like the bridgiest-MCU movie yet. It also plays more as a straight comedy. A lot of effort for laughs this time around. The opening scene seemed a bit forced. Drax/Bautista is the MVP.

1.The Avengers 2012
2.Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2014
3.Captain America: Civil War 2016
4.Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015
5.Guardians of the Galaxy 2014
6.Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 2017
7.Ant-Man 2015
8.Doctor Strange 2016
9.Iron Man 2008
10.Iron Man 3 2013
11.Captain America: The First Avenger 2011
12.Thor 2011
13.Iron Man 2 2010
14.The Incredible Hulk 2008
15.Thor: The Dark World 2013

TGM
05-05-2017, 03:40 AM
I was interested in the double feature, but alas, I had to work tonight. Should be seeing this tomorrow...

Henry Gale
05-05-2017, 06:11 PM
Yeah, I saw it last night too. I love the first Guardians to death, it's easily the benchmark of the MCU for me and manages to be a source of the sort of effortless fun that's so often strived for but rarely achieved with blockbusters. So it's hugely puzzling and a shame as to to how generally ambivalent I now am to Vol. 2.

My biggest issue with it is it seems to model itself after what slow seasons of a big serialized TV (Lost, Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, etc.) often do a crutch: Split up the core dynamic and then just leave them sitting around in different places for long periods of time before the right plot mechanics allow them to come back together to solve central conflicts and work out their personal issues. The first film was so propulsive and exciting and it was always excitingly going from one planet to another with purpose and verve. Vol. 2 is so content with leaving the majority of the group on Ego's Planet while Rocket, Yondu and Groot are on the Ravagers' ship for waaaayyy too long. There must have been a better way to work out them joining the others sooner in the script. Even once Nebula gets there it feels like things aren't picking up like they should because Ego The Living Exposition is still holding Peter somewhere explaining more and more about who and what he is. There are so many scenes of the characters other than Peter just sitting around on Ego for way too long. Like, we get it, he's found the family he's been searching for and abandoning the one he already has. But c'mon, how much can we sit on those narrative beats before it feels like the audience's mood is as bored and stagnant as theirs?

It's even more aggravating because there is a lot to like in it, which just makes the assembly of all of its elements so frustrating on the whole. Rooker, Bautista, Russell are all great, with Klementieff as a lovely addition, and Saldana feeling like she's being given more interesting things to do. Which isn't to shirk Pratt and Cooper's efforts (I think the latter is even more assured and skillfully played this time around), but having them lead each of the two main storylines' directions makes them frustrating to follow. In the original, there was always the sense that Peter and Rocket could be one step ahead of everyone on screen and even us as the audience, and for all their shabby dispositions, they had that unique intelligence and charm that unexpected would be revealed to pull them through. I really think that's gone here, and it gives them significantly less agency.

In fact, I'm not sure which characters do feel like they have agency this time around. It all just feels like the story is waiting for Ego to unveil his true intentions and push the third act into something the Guardians need to come together to resolve, with way too much talking and fine but oddly static action in between (with a bit of a meaner streak this time around, particularly the stuff with Yondu & co.'s capture and escape). I'm usually somehow who never has a problem with long lengths of movies. If something is interesting and it letting me live in its world for more time, then I am open to it. But with this movie, you really get the sense that there's flab in the middle of it. Things like the "Groot needing to get the fin" scene are definitely funny, but do they really need to take as long as they do and not be intercut at all with anything moving along in the A-story? After a while it felt like Gunn was arbitrarily rotating every 8-10 minutes between Ego and the Ravager ship for no reason other than he didn't script it any more interestingly to change in production or post.

So look, I laughed and smiled a lot, I loved seeing the characters again even if I wasn't as invested in what they were doing, the visual design is often very stunning (though Ego's surface was a bit on the weakly garish side to me, as much as that might've been the point), the soundtrack is nice (even if the movie is expectedly a bit over-reliant on it this time around). If you're as big a fan of the original and this world as I was, then there's probably no talking you out of it, it's just a shame it wasn't as radiantly enjoyable, exciting or moving as the original. (Which is another small thing, I've heard people say this one is more emotional, but to me, the first's finale takes the cake over this one.)

It's on the level of Iron Man 2 for me (and coincidentally it's pretty thematically sympatico), but I'm the one weird person that also likes Iron Man 2 quite a bit.

TGM
05-05-2017, 10:45 PM
Overall I liked it, though I have a hard time seeing this having the lasting power of the first. A number of things stood out to me that felt weaker than the first, among them being the use of music, which doesn't feel as organically integrated, and often feels shoehorned in, particularly when we have multiple scenes of Rocket pretty much pointing out how they always listen to music while they're doing their thing. So that was disappointing, and I honestly don't even recall most of the soundtrack, even only an hour after the fact, which I honestly think comes down to the poor execution more so than the song choice.

As far as the film's length, despite being as long as it was, the movie honestly felt rather short. In fact, it almost felt too short, like there was a chunk missing somewhere. Just the way this thing is plotted, I guess after they go to Ego's planet, I kept expecting for them to move on from there, so when by the end of the movie, they were still there, it definitely just felt, I dunno, off to me. As others have pointed out, the first movie had them hopping from location to location, it was a real adventure movie exploring the galaxy. So the fact that this movie really only hops to the one location and more or less stays there the whole movie definitely left me feeling like we were missing out on something. So the pacing was a bit weird, but like I said, it never dragged or anything, and honestly went by rather quickly, so that much was nice.

Perhaps it's almost fitting that this one toned down on the adventure aspect and stuck to the one planet, though, seeing as how this felt like a more personal story centered around the characters and their personal issues. Because that was honestly the strong point of the movie, were the various character arcs that drove them apart and gradually brought them back together. I mean, it all felt rather typical, but it still worked. And the end was pretty stirring as well, though definitely doesn't reach the heights of emotion seen in the first movie.

Everyone seems to be praising either Drax or Baby Groot as the highlights of this movie. Personally, Groot honestly just sorta existed to me here, which is sort of a shame, seeing as how he was easily my favorite character in the first. As to Drax, he was still good, though perhaps a bit over-done at times. To me though, it was actually Nebula's arc that I found the most intriguing this time around, and I'd follow that with the relationship between Rocket and Yondu.

Glancing over the responses already, I agree that the movie is gorgeous, however. And also agreed that all 5 of the post-credits scenes were entirely pointless and unnecessary, and honestly not even all that interesting or entertaining. Meh to that. Oh, and Duke, I was also making the Empire Strikes Back comparisons while watching this.

So yeah, I thought this was pretty decent. Perfectly serviceable, though considering it's the successor to what is bar none the best in the MCU to date, that this one is merely "good" but nowhere near "great", can be seen as a disappointment. After all, the first one has stayed with me pretty vividly for years now, where as this movie is already fading from memory only a couple of hours after the fact. But eh, we'll see.

Watashi
05-05-2017, 11:30 PM
Needed more Elizabeth Debicki.

Watashi
05-05-2017, 11:35 PM
Also, the Mary Poppins joke is the hardest I've laughed in any of these Marvel movies.

TGM
05-06-2017, 08:42 PM
We're reaching the point where there's so many of these and it's been so long since I've seen most of them that I'm not even really all that confident with a lot of these rankings anymore. But...

Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: Civil War
Iron Man 3
The Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor: The Dark World
Iron Man
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Doctor Strange
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Ant-Man
Iron Man 2

The top 6 feels about right to me, at least...

number8
05-06-2017, 11:58 PM
Hey, they finally pulled it off! Young Kurt Russell was way less creepy than young RDJ or young Michael Douglas.

Dukefrukem
05-07-2017, 12:56 AM
Hey, they finally pulled it off! Young Kurt Russell was way less creepy than young RDJ or young Michael Douglas.

Need more thoughts than this.

Dukefrukem
05-07-2017, 12:36 PM
The more I think about this movie the more I like it. I really love how they are not leaning on the MCU as much. Barely any mention of the Infinity Stones. Couple of Thanos name drops but with respect to the story. And it's the first villain since Loki that actually was interesting with a premise that wasn't just; destroy this, take over that.

TGM
05-07-2017, 06:12 PM
The more I think about this movie the more I like it. I really love how they are not leaning on the MCU as much. Barely any mention of the Infinity Stones. Couple of Thanos name drops but with respect to the story. And it's the first villain since Loki that actually was interesting with a premise that wasn't just; destroy this, take over that.

Agreed, this is sitting incredibly well with me so far. And really, part of what I love about it so much is just how disconnected it is from the rest of the MCU. It's just such a breath of fresh air in that regard, so much so that I'm actually not even looking forward to them getting dragged into the mix with Infinity War. I would much prefer they just stay away and continue to do their own thing honestly.

Dukefrukem
05-07-2017, 07:31 PM
Agreed, this is sitting incredibly well with me so far. And really, part of what I love about it so much is just how disconnected it is from the rest of the MCU. It's just such a breath of fresh air in that regard, so much so that I'm actually not even looking forward to them getting dragged into the mix with Infinity War. I would much prefer they just stay away and continue to do their own thing honestly.

It makes me really happy that Gunn will be doing the third movie- and even after Infinity War he's basically taking over as Whedon's creative eye in the sky, watching over all future projects.

Wryan
05-08-2017, 04:44 PM
This was...fine. A couple big laughs that really hit, as well as smaller moments that maintained a good level (Groot bringing the wrong items, ugly Mantis). But then there was a lot that fell on its face. The gold people don't really work that well, the Taserface stuff doesn't work at all, and the doubling down (tripling) on deep emotional family moments started well but eventually stretched goodwill. Rooker's great with not a lot to work with, but I wish they had waited until the third to go this way, 'cause it's the familiar "give someone more to do and an emotional arc this time because you're gonna kill 'em and it'll produce feels" thing. I continue to appreciate Drax and his way of piercing thru the fog (like identifying Yondu as Peter's father; right in spirit if not letter). Russell really sold the whole trickiness of such a portrayal, so that was interesting to see.

It was about what I expected.

number8
05-08-2017, 04:48 PM
As a Gilmore stan I really appreciated Sean Gunn's expanded role.

Dukefrukem
05-08-2017, 07:35 PM
This is real.

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https://heatst.com/culture-wars/chris-pratt-forced-to-apologize-to-deaf-community-after-asking-people-to-turn-up-the-volume/

number8
05-08-2017, 07:40 PM
Pratt seems like a sincere guy.

Dukefrukem
05-08-2017, 07:58 PM
Being a sports fan and a Marvel fan, I especially enjoyed the friendly bet between him and Chris Evans after super bowl 49. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chris-evans-chris-pratt-bet-779962

Philip J. Fry
05-11-2017, 10:10 PM
WTF with those SFX?

Hey, they finally pulled it off! Young Kurt Russell was way less creepy than young RDJ or young Michael Douglas.I guess they blew up the entire budget there because the rest of the movie's effects (specially anything concerning Ego's planet) were Mortal Kombat Annihilation bad.

TGM
05-11-2017, 10:19 PM
WTF with those SFX?
I guess they blew up the entire budget there because the rest of the movie's effects (specially anything concerning Ego's planet) were Mortal Kombat Annihilation bad.

o.O

Mal
05-12-2017, 08:57 AM
mild yay? it worked more than it didn't but let someone else do the scripting, directing next time. this movie felt like it was too in love with itself to be a great film in any sense.

dreamdead
05-21-2017, 08:52 PM
This series remains competently directed (and look, actual black tones, rather than the bleached-out grays), but this film feels like characters advanced in maturity in only infinitesimal ways, especially Drax (the biggest drain of Gunn over-indulging what made him memorable). I like many of the choices that Gunn makes regarding Samora and Nebula by the end, but wanted that to be far more of a middle act, with expanded actual payoff and resolution.

Instead, there's interminable sequences with Starlord, who's more inert than he seemed in the past. At least Yondu gets some cool stuff by the end.

And, though I'm by no means a prude, this featured more prostitute sex and death-by-arrow violence than I expected from a PG-13 film. So insulting that things like this are PG-13 and things like Don't Think Twice are stuck with an R because of pot smoking.

transmogrifier
05-21-2017, 11:36 PM
Yondu's arrow was way overpowered. I hated that whole sequence. Too easy.

Grouchy
05-26-2017, 06:10 PM
I saw this the best possible way, with my nerd friend and some concealed booze which caused me to make no less than two separate bathroom runs.

It's a greats sequel! I don't think it surpasses the original because of its novelty and the first's tighter plotting but it sure tries its best. The presence of Stallone was surprising, I didn't know that was going to happen. There's a lot to take in about it, both visually and concept-wise. Loved the expanded role of Yondu and wish they hadn't killed him by the end.

Dukefrukem
06-09-2017, 05:12 PM
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TGM
08-10-2017, 06:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBxxjhnjH4Y

TGM
08-16-2017, 05:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_p3OEpeviM

Rico
08-17-2017, 02:21 PM
And, though I'm by no means a prude, this featured more prostitute sex and death-by-arrow violence than I expected from a PG-13 film.
...and yet I found it too kid friendly. Mostly I felt Disney dumbed-down the humor so that 8-year olds would get it. Basically two of the main characters (Groot and Drax) were just there for comic relief. Sometimes it still worked, but most of the time I found myself rolling my eyes when these two were on the screen.

Rico
08-20-2017, 12:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_p3OEpeviM

Just watched this. It pretty much covers all my grievances about the humor. But it also makes a good point about Yondu probably having the best send off of any MCU character. A character that I had never ever cared about before this movie. Like, I didn't even like him in the first movie and now I'm, "it's so sad to see him go."

It does make me wonder how they will handle when some of the bigger name actors start getting older. RDJ can probably play Tony Stark forever, but there is a shelf life for Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth in those roles. Makes me excited thinking about the story lines if done right. The death of Thor or Steve Rogers. That is probably well down the line, but now I also worry they won't ever get to my favorite Avenger storylines (Kree-Skrull war, Red Zone, and maybe a time travel story were they bring back Ultron).

It's crazy how I'm never fully fulfilled by these live action super hero movies (the animated tv shows are always better), but somehow they always get me excited for the next one.

TGM
09-03-2017, 04:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VulkN5OLEM

Irish
09-03-2017, 05:56 AM
I like Ellis and think her presentation is world's better than her FilmTuber peers ... but wow. She's approaching personal nemesis territory with this shit. It's like she doesn't know what she doesn't know. That wouldn't be a problem if I ever got the sense that she (or again, any of her peers) were intellectually curious and interested in doing hard research.

Dukefrukem
09-03-2017, 02:59 PM
First I've heard of her.

Irish
09-03-2017, 10:20 PM
She pops up every now and again on Metafilter (http://www.metafilter.com/search.mefi?q=%22lindsay+ellis %22&sa=Search&siteurl=www.metafilter.com) as sorta a safe bet. She isn't as aggressive or as fanboyish as her male peers (see this (https://youtu.be/qSDnxXYtmus?t=15s), where she jokingly describes herself as one of the "most known-of female reviewers on the internet").

TGM
09-04-2017, 05:04 AM
I've followed her off and on for about the past decade now, since her Nostalgia Chick years. In that time, I've found her to be incredibly hit or miss, where sometimes she puts together really thought provoking videos, while others are just unbearably obnoxious. I found this particular one to be of the former variety. *shrug*

Irish
09-05-2017, 05:56 AM
I've followed her off and on for about the past decade now, since her Nostalgia Chick years. In that time, I've found her to be incredibly hit or miss, where sometimes she puts together really thought provoking videos, while others are just unbearably obnoxious. I found this particular one to be of the former variety. *shrug*

Yeah, you're way ahead of me. I had no idea her video production had a long and complicated history with the Nostalgia Critic and "Channel Awesome." I fell down a rabbit hole and came across some really bizarre videos, forum posts, tweets, and memes involving her. Most of it is weird ass GamerGater shit and little to do with the content of her videos.

Part of me wants to nitpick the hell out of her dumb assumptions and lazy pseudo-scholarship. The other part is like "Dude, wtf, you're a grown man. Get a life."

Dead & Messed Up
09-15-2017, 03:51 PM
It all just feels like the story is waiting for Ego to unveil his true intentions and push the third act into something the Guardians need to come together to resolve, with way too much talking and fine but oddly static action in between (with a bit of a meaner streak this time around, particularly the stuff with Yondu & co.'s capture and escape).

This is a lot where I was with the film. There's even one of those insufferable scenes where someone says, "I must tell you something, something important, it's about Ego, it's--" and then Gamora stomps in and blocks the plot.

For some reason, the film also jumped abruptly, for me, from Ego-as-father-figure to Ego-as-despot. I wish the film could've presented a more convincing argument for why everybody else disappointed Ego so much. Maybe with a visible example? I get it, it's clear, his name is flippin' Ego, so it would always be an irrational leap into universal take-overy, but what if we'd actually seen fair reasons for his disappointment? You want to understand why he'd choose this course beyond simple, raw selfishness (or at least let that build as a plausible cover for his selfishness). The problem is that there's really nothing to think about regarding his greed. He's a shit. Full stop.

And once he realizes how evil Ego is, Peter has no internal hesitance about taking him down and no lingering emotion over all the revelations. It's like he slides into "time to be awesome" without the weight of everything bearing down on him. While Guardians gives itself license to be more "quippy" than the other Marvel movies, with its band of misfits, I don't think the climax needed quite so many goofs (like the rock hitting Mantis, or Quill turning into a giant Pac-Man), as I would've liked to see more emotion given to Peter coming to terms with his father being the ultimate in paternal abandonment / selfishness. Even when Peter cries out, "You killed my mom!" before launching his first attack, he also has to add "And broke my walkman!" (paraphrase). Movie, you don't need that. You think you do, because FUN, but you don't.

[Even so, it's funny how this lark generates so much more emotion out of "you killed my mom" than the inept Civil War.]

Otherwise, I'll just echo what most are saying, with special attention paid to the nice B-plot with Gamora and Nebula, where you actually buy the fact that these two women could be fighting with full intention to kill while also breaking down lifelong emotional barriers that lead to some amount of reconciliation. It's preposterous, and I put a lot of that success on Karen Gillan, who explains her grievances with Gamora like she's been reciting it to herself for years, which gives us enough of a baseline that we understand why she's willing to shear off her ship's wings in pursuit of (Michael Palin voice) rev-v-v-eeennnge!

Sidebar: It was sad when Yondu died, but they overdid it with the extended fireworks.

RATING: 7 sexy Goldfinger aliens out of a possible 11.

number8
09-15-2017, 04:38 PM
Sidebar: It was sad when Yondu died, but they overdid it with the extended fireworks.

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Dead & Messed Up
09-15-2017, 04:48 PM
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Kevin Smith convinced himself there was heart in Batman v. Superman because he saw parademons.

Ezee E
11-01-2017, 05:10 AM
Similar to the first, this is good when it's grounded and a little more simple. Escaping from a prison cell, sister conflict,

When it goes into "world ending / world exploding" territory, it's godawful.

Nebula and Yondu are the best thing about the movie.

Milky Joe
12-24-2017, 03:37 AM
This was all about the ride. Phantasmic colors and 80s music and good vibes - plot be damned. To that end I thought this achieved that goal a lot better than the first one. I like Peng's 'drunk' description.

Thumbs up.

Morris Schæffer
12-24-2017, 03:18 PM
They really make these things more convoluted than they need to be. It's a lot of mumbo-jumbo at some point, but damn if this isn't a sweet-looking Marvel movie. Enjoyable and funny, up to a point.

PURPLE
06-26-2018, 07:37 PM
Saw this and Thor: Ragnarok recently and found this to be far superior in all of the important ways and I don't really care about the other ways.

I don't watch many of these superhero films so I do not care at all about the ridiculous stories except to the degree that the ridiculousness is the point, so the comedies always work best. What impressed me most about this film, as opposed to Thor: Ragnarok, was how the epic action scenes were often built to be primarily comedic, with the jokes-as-part-of-the-action making the action itself either part of the joke or a joke itself. This is something that Kung Fu Hustle does... and little else. Most of these "comedy-action films" take an action sequence, act as if there is a true risk of danger (there never is), and then interrupt the gravitas of the action to insert a joke. The first scene is a good example, if not the pinnacle of the film, where it is essentially just a "workmanlike" day at the office battling some incredibly dangerous looking monster, with each of the members contributing to the comedy of it all including baby Groot's irrelevance and incompetence. The scene is "filmed" almost as if it is a video game, but unlike a video game you know that there is no chance that the characters will lose, so instead of attempting to replicate the intensity of a video game the film simply ignores it and plays with the absurdity.

There are some weakly plotted moments (the stupid arrow thing) and some cloying nonsense (people crying over something despite having little psychological issues after murdering a bunch of people - not really a shining moment of understanding human emotions) - but who cares? You can watch ten thousand films and never find comedy done as well as it is done in the best moments here, especially because the best minutes here are orchestrated in such a way that costs millions of dollars to achieve via camera movements and CGI and destruction and you simply aren't going to find it in a great Estonian comedy. You may find it in a great HK comedy, but only very, very rarely!

I have to admit that the best moments were so overwhelmingly great that I would have to go back and rewatch with an eye to detail to remember all of the intricacies, but I was amazed watching parts of this, and the rest is worth the wait for the amazing parts.