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Morris Schæffer
03-24-2017, 06:57 AM
Big Ed!! Anyhow, I need to finish off season 2 which isn't going down especially smooth.
This feels like the invert ratio of the original series' Lynchian horror/Black Lodge to small town stuff. Awesome in a frequent 'what was that???' sense. But I hope there are still sequences like that Chromatics song in The Bang Bang Bar to ground every other episode or so.
The first four episodes have all ended with a different indie act performing at The Bang Bang Bar over the cast credits.
Oh, and Michael Cera: you so silly.
Ezee E
05-22-2017, 10:39 PM
Not sure I'll stick through another episode. Just felt like a Lynch short from his Criterions. Cool and all, but don't think six more episodes will be worth the time.
Milky Joe
05-23-2017, 12:49 AM
Not sure I'll stick through another episode. Just felt like a Lynch short from his Criterions. Cool and all, but don't think six more episodes will be worth the time.
I think you mean 12
Ezee E
05-23-2017, 04:03 AM
I think you mean 12
Oof.
Milky Joe
05-23-2017, 07:50 AM
I think I meant 14!
HELLOOOOO
Spinal
05-23-2017, 05:23 PM
Three episodes in and loving it. It's so great to have new material from Lynch and it's deeply affecting to see these characters again. The Catherine Coulson scenes were brutally sad. I enjoy the fact that much of the focus has been on drawing out the supernatural elements. Garmonbozia sighting!
Melville
05-24-2017, 01:31 PM
So little discussion of Lynch's return to filmmaking?
Overall, I'm digging it. I'm more psyched about the next 14 episodes than I have been about anything else in recent memory. It promises to be unique and interesting if nothing else.
The major negative so far has been the absence of an emotional core. In Lynch's other work, most everything is ultimately tied to primal experiences and emotions: parenthood, sexuality, abuse, infidelity, love, jealousy, and the conflict between the real and the yearned-for ideal. And it typically has a strong dose of sentimentality. Here there's nothing like the grieving over Laura or the trauma of her abuse to give the events significance.
I thought the 2-part opener suffered from this the most. It felt a lot like the conspiracy/hitman/detective B story from Mulholland Drive, but extended to two hours and devoid of context. It's a lot of seemingly disconnected scenes pointing at some dark, incomprehensible workings hidden from our everyday view. But in Mulholland Drive, those scenes were meaningful because of how they fit into the psychological architecture of the story. Here, while the individual scenes are compellingly off-kilter, especially the New York stuff, they feel like they're really missing some emotional context or a somewhat ordinary world to contrast with.
I enjoy the fact that much of the focus has been on drawing out the supernatural elements.
This is actually another negative for me. I'm not so keen on how concrete it's making the mystical aspects. Lynch's surreal or fantastical elements typically work on an amorphous, highly nonliteral yet not strictly metaphorical level. They're a means of powerfully expressing elements of reality and personal experience in novel ways. In much of the original Twin Peaks, and especially in Fire Walk with Me, all the black lodge stuff, the darkness in the woods, felt like a way to get at things about Laura's abuse, "personal demons", and the ineffable things that haunt everyday, pleasant society. The more it becomes literalized demons and dopplegangers, the less compelling I find it. So far this season has felt too much like that, maybe because, again, it's not being tied to anything else.
But on the other hand, most of the individual scenes work wonderfully in a typically Lynchian way, careening between off-kilter humor and grotesque terror. Things like Cera, Dougie, and Mr Jackpot were all great. And I'm optimistic that the rest of the season will provide the context and emotional resonance to give the early episodes more meaning. The concluding moments of the opener, back in the roadhouse, and the musical endings of the next two episodes, make me think the season is going to have one large, fairly intricate structure, and the earlier episodes will be best judged as part of the whole.
Now that I've seen all available ones: first two are disorientingly great and moody, the third up there among with the best of the series (and I thought season 2 finale was 'heartstopping'... in first 15 or so minutes I was resisting urge to watch this episode through my fingers), the fourth suffers a little in trying to transition into a more normal 'Twin Peaks' episodes after previous three's supreme discordance, but Kyle Maclachlan is so great I could have watched him forever. Think his 'Good Cooper' performance is modeled after E.T. a bit?
Spinal
05-24-2017, 07:57 PM
I hear what you are saying, Melville. I think your criticisms are valid.
Part of the issue is that the center of the story has shifted to Agent Cooper, who, even in full possession of his faculties, is more aloof and less emotionally driven.
However, I think the show's emotional center right now is happening around the topic of aging and time. This may be more of a meta experience, akin to watching the Up Documentaries, but there is something truly extraordinary to me about the fact that Lynch called his shot 25 years ago (subconsciously or however you want to frame it) and has now created a continuation of a haunting story left in limbo. Agent Cooper has been left in an armchair all that time. In my mind, he has been trapped pondering the mysteries of Laura's death and the associated supernatural evils associated with it -- just as Twin Peaks viewers have been stuck in a kind of limbo, pondering the riddles and clues from the first series. It's a kind of meta experience (apologies for using that tired phrase).
It's an emotional experience for me just to see the various transformations to the actor's faces and bodies. Michael Horse's white hair, Al Strobel's gamey eye, the deterioration of Catherine Coulson, the drooping jowls of Kyle Maclachlan, etc. For me, it was emotional to see a 50-year old Sheryl Lee recreate her Black Lodge conference with Agent Cooper, the same eyes staring out of a different face, an unusual contradiction knowing that the real-life actress is showing us the aged face that the deceased fictional character would never grow to possess. That's cool stuff!
Over the course of the season, the show will have to do more than rely on such moments. But I see plenty of potential for that. We haven't even really gotten into Grace Zabriskie, Madchen Amick, Sherilyn Fenn etc.
Again, apologies. I realize this show makes me a little gushy.
Melville
05-24-2017, 08:44 PM
Very interesting take on it. Given the ending of Inland Empire, I wouldn't be surprised if Lynch brought that kind of meta reading into the show more explicitly.
About Sherilyn Fenn, is Audrey going to be the woman Cole was referring to at the end of episode 4?That's what I guessed based on the cut to the roadhouse, but someone elsewhere mentioned Diane, who might be a more likely candidate.
Grouchy
05-26-2017, 06:33 PM
How are you watching beyond episode 2? That's all I got in my Netflix.
Spinal
05-26-2017, 06:56 PM
How are you watching beyond episode 2? That's all I got in my Netflix.
Hulu
Grouchy
05-26-2017, 07:16 PM
Awesome. As soon as I get home I'll start looking for a torrent.
Grouchy
05-30-2017, 03:19 AM
About Sherilyn Fenn, is Audrey going to be the woman Cole was referring to at the end of episode 4?That's what I guessed based on the cut to the roadhouse, but someone elsewhere mentioned Diane, who might be a more likely candidate.
Oooooh you're so right.
Spinal
05-30-2017, 11:57 PM
Oh, man. Interviews with David Lynch are the best.
There’s a very strange new character in the Black Lodge, a talking tree, an evolution of The Man From Another Place, also known as the Arm (Michael J. Anderson, who did not return for the new series).
Yes. Necessity is the mother of invention.
The head on top — is it a talking brain, pituitary gland, or neuron?
It’s just a head.
It looks like a brain to me.
It’s just a head.
Well, you got a great performance out of the tree.
Thank you.
Link (http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/26/twin-peaks-david-lynch/)
Milky Joe
05-31-2017, 04:26 AM
About Sherilyn Fenn, is Audrey going to be the woman Cole was referring to at the end of episode 4?That's what I guessed based on the cut to the roadhouse, but someone elsewhere mentioned Diane, who might be a more likely candidate.
I'm thinking Audrey Horne will be the mysterious billionaire funding the 'Glass Box', still searching for her long lost love Special Agent Dale Cooper
Grouchy
06-01-2017, 05:21 PM
I always knew she couldn't have just been blown to pieces.
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Spinal
06-05-2017, 04:51 PM
Great episode last night.
That shot of Amanda Seyfried. Oh my!
Really excellent way to bring back Bob's presence without being able to use Frank Silva in new footage. Super creepy.
Man, Caleb Landry Jones has that creepy douche character down, doesn't he?
Diner scene! Poor Norma and Shelly, still working the same job. In general, this episode had more of old-guard Twin Peaks involved, for those concerned with such a thing.
Don't know what to make of the Major Briggs reveal, although I imagine I'm not supposed to yet.
The car jackers getting a surprise was rather satisfying.
It's really exciting to see Maclachlan get to explore the dark side. He is superbly menacing and strange.
Milky Joe
06-09-2017, 11:08 PM
It's really exciting to see Maclachlan get to explore the dark side. He is superbly menacing and strange.
Indeed... what a challenge this role must have been for him. He's being forced to do just about everything except be Agent Cooper, and he's nailing it. He was great as the villainous psycho surgeon in Agents of SHIELD, though, so I knew he had that gear in him.
So that was Caleb Landry Jones? Holy crap he is fugly.
Spinal
06-12-2017, 03:10 AM
This week was a little light on forward progression, and therefore a little bit frustrating.
But holy moly to the Laura Dern reveal!
Spinal
06-12-2017, 03:13 AM
Also ...
It wasn't about the bunny.
Spinal
06-12-2017, 05:28 PM
As always, sleeping on an episode allows things to settle in my mind. I start to appreciate the impressions that linger, as opposed to wondering about the payoffs that I want to see.
The show seems to be about two main things right now. Firstly, continuing the exploration from the original series, is the surreal nature of violence. Where does it originate? Lynch and Frost do not concern themselves with the political or religious motivations that occupy our social media feeds. Working heavily with metaphor and symbolism, they attribute the hate and rage to forces outside of everyday human experience. These forces are supernatural in nature, as opposed to being a part of human psychology. The two violent deaths that occur in episode 6 are different kinds of bad dreams. The car accident shows us bystanders frozen in reflection, powerless to act, mystified by the senselessness of what they have just witnessed. The assassination shows us a ruthlessness that is animalistic and bizarre. Sadly, both of these sensations are all too resonant to our times.
The second theme, special to this series, is the theme of aging and time. Agent Cooper's existential crisis is frustrating for viewers who want to see him back to his old self, waxing poetically about Douglas Firs, etc. However, this is a highly evocative way to express the feelings of getting older, looking back on your old self, and struggling to capture the energy of the person you once were. Why don't words come easier? Why is it a struggle to move the way I once did? What are the core elements that still make me ME?
In a way it's like Lynch's version of Duck Amuck, the old Looney Tune where the animators wondered how much they could mess with an iconic character and still have you recognize who he is. What are the necessary elements to create an Agent Cooper ... coffee, intuition, badge? And of course, this leaves Lynch and Frost on the sidelines, proclaiming, like Bugs Bunny did, "Ain't I a stinker?"
Grouchy
06-13-2017, 05:46 AM
"Fuck Gene Kelly, you MOTHERFUCKER!"
Spinal
06-19-2017, 02:19 AM
Holy crap. Absolutely riveting episode. Love that feeling of things ramping up.
Yeah, this week seems downright straightforward and crowdpleasing, coming after the last three. Old places and faces galore, plots moving forward, chilling moments (the figure moving in the background of a phone call scene is pure horror), storylines connecting. What a gripping episode. Love that even in the midst of a violent assassination attempt Naomi Watt's Janey-E didn't slow down one bit.
Spinal
06-19-2017, 07:16 AM
Yeah, this week seems downright straightforward and crowdpleasing, coming after the last three. Old places and faces galore, plots moving forward, chilling moments (the figure moving in the background of a phone call scene is pure horror), storylines connecting. What a gripping episode. Love that even in the midst of a violent assassination attempt Naomi Watt's Janey-E didn't slow down one bit.
In one episode, we got ...
Laura Dern reuniting with Kyle Maclachlan for a Diane/Cooper scene.
Laura Dern playing a scene with David Lynch.
Lost pages from Laura Palmer's diary resurfacing.
More info about Audrey post-bank explosion.
Pay-off on the brief Annie Blackburn moment from Fire Walk With Me.
A touching check-in with Doc Hayward.
Lots of new Major Briggs info.
A thrilling and unexpected flash of Good Cooper's heroism working its way to the surface of Dougie's consciousness.
Keep it coming, David.
Grouchy
06-20-2017, 02:58 PM
One thing that I found curious about this revival is that, despite Lynch's reputation for ambiguous, hard to understand plot... he actually delivers all the pay-offs you'd expect from a sequel. He just doesn't do with them what you'd expect him to do and so adds another question at the same time that he's giving you an answer, which might be Lynch on a nutshell.
- Reveal what happened to Cooper during the last 25 years in the Black Lodge? Check, but at the same time there are two guys with Cooper's face out there in the real world.
- Bring back Cooper? Check, but he's brain damaged.
- Show us a face to face with Diane? Check, but she's an alcoholic bitch who's rude to everybody instead of the nice lady you'd expect from Cooper's audio messages.
It's like anti fan service.
I also love how he takes his time to explain Harry S. Truman's uncomfortable absence from the show. That shows he's aware that people used to care deeply about even the minor characters.
Spinal
06-20-2017, 05:12 PM
I've been super impressed by how Lynch and Frost have worked around the absence of certain actors while still keeping their characters 'alive' in the world of the show, notably BOB, The Arm, Garland Briggs and Harry. Only Donna Hayward's absence seems kind of odd right now, although I imagine we'll get info on her eventually.
Spinal, excellent episode, but you forgot to mention the dude sweeping the floor of The Bang Bang Bar while Booker T & the MGs' Green Onions played in the background.
For 5 minutes.
And it was my favorite scene. I love David Lynch.
Spinal
06-20-2017, 06:05 PM
Spinal, excellent episode, but you forgot to mention the dude sweeping the floor of The Bang Bang Bar while Booker T & the MGs' Green Onions played in the background.
For 5 minutes.
And it was my favorite scene. I love David Lynch.
Yes, it was strangely effective in making the subsequent phone call seem even more disturbing, contrasted with the banal routine of tidying up the debris from an evening of locals out having a good time. Here is this place where most of the community seems to gather to drink, socialize and listen to suspiciously hip musical acts. And yet, a generation after Laura Palmer, the same man who serves them their beers is running an underage prostitution ring right under their noses.
Showtime President and CEO David Nevins says, “The version of ‘Twin Peaks’ you’re going to see is the pure heroin version of David Lynch.”
So that's what he meant.
I think the twitternet machine is going to blow up over "Part 8" of Lynch's..uh..whatever that was.
Unbelievable.
Spinal
06-26-2017, 02:13 AM
Ha! Recap THAT internet.
Next level. Lynch just went 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Spinal
06-26-2017, 02:16 AM
Seriously though, I think the middle nuclear test section through the giant sequence is pretty easy to interpret if you know the show. I cannot say the same about the last sequence.
I think the last sequence had to do with how the manifestation of evil spread. I also think that winged creature was the first incarnation of BOB.
"This is the water, and this is the well. Drink full, and descend.
The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within."
There is a story behind this quote that I just read about, concerning a website that is no longer online. This shit just keeps on getting weirder and weirder.
Next level. Lynch just went 2001: A Space Odyssey.
The whole time I was thinking "what if 2001 but with the utter horror of Mulholland Dr's diner scene???!!!"
Have to think if this or Season 2's finale is my favorite of the show. Both so out-of-this-world mind-bending.
The frog and the girl have to lead to the Palmers somehow. I looked up on Twin Peaks wiki and Sarah was born on 1945(!!), the same year as the bomb. I wondered if she was the golden ball that then was born and will lead to Laura (as shown inside the ball) someday, and the frog... ok I haven't thought this through, but it's intriguing nonetheless. The mentions a horse, and its whinnying sound too... wonder if it's the same one that Sarah saw.
This show, man.
Spinal
06-26-2017, 05:14 PM
So many depictions of mushroom clouds are taken from a distance and knowingly or not communicate a kind of wonder and awe. They make it seem almost beautiful.
I greatly appreciated how different this was. Appropriately horrifying.
So many depictions of mushroom clouds are taken from a distance and knowingly or not communicate a kind of wonder and awe. They make it seem almost beautiful.
I greatly appreciated how different this was. Appropriately horrifying.
Well-said. I watched almost the entire episode open-mouthed and jaw-dropped.
God bless Showtime for having the courage to air this insanity.
Stay Puft
06-26-2017, 08:47 PM
HELLOOOOOOOO.
I just started watching so I'm not caught up yet (I've now seen the first four episodes) and so I also haven't read more than the first twenty or so posts of the thread. Just wanted to drop by with some quick impressions though (I'll try to get caught up this week). Basically, I love it. I'm completely obsessed. The show has quickly wormed its way into my mind and I can't stop thinking about it. I don't think anything else I've seen this year, TV or cinema or whatever, has engaged me like this, had me on the edge of my seat and just totally enraptured. What a trip!
The third episode is so fascinating and strange. I can't decide what I enjoyed more, the abstract editing of the otherworldly purple room, or Coop's casino adventures. The first part is creepy and unsettling, the other laugh out loud funny. As a single hour of television, the contrast between these strange adventures is incredible and makes them both richer.
The fourth episode I've watched maybe three times in a row and is my favorite episode so far. Basically, I'm not caught up yet because I got stuck with this one on repeat. Talking about contrasts, how about Coop as Dougie and the interrogation with Mr. C? Kyle MacLachlan is winning all the awards, right? His performance here is my favorite thing ever. I love how so much of this feels like Lynch and Frost giving a middle finger to fan expectations, and I can't get over how they have taken Cooper and turned him into an automaton that mimics famous character traits. When he gives his first thumbs up of the season, and then turns and stares out the window, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. (And, of course, always with the powerful contrasts, Cole later realizes something is wrong when Mr. C delivers something of an uncanny valley thumbs up). Coop in the kitchen trying to navigate his way through Dougie's morning routine, and getting triggered by a mug of coffee (complete with one of the first Badalamenti cues of the season?) is already one of my favorite Twin Peaks scenes ever. And the interrogation of Mr. C is probably up there, too. Oh, and the last scene between Cole and Albert (hell, every scene... "There they are, Albert. Faces of stone.")... fuck, this episode was incredible.
Lynch and Frost are so good at building all the small details into an episode, too, that rewatching them before moving on has been extremely rewarding. From small elements of set design (I didn't see the owl cookie jar in the kitchen on my first watch, those sneaky bastards) to more blatant clues (Mr. C actually starts talking backwards in the interrogation scene, which... how the hell did I miss something like that on my first viewing???), this season has been rich in narrative and mystery and intrigue and has delivered so much incredible material in only four episodes.
I'm surprised how many Phillip Jeffries references we've gotten, too. Making me really sad that Bowie never got to film anything.
Spinal
06-26-2017, 11:56 PM
I'm excited for Stay Puft to get caught up and add his thoughts on the last few episodes.
I've been thinking a lot about Lynch's use of pacing (in collaboration with his editor). I greatly admire how willing he is to allow us to live in a moment without rushing it or providing extra filler. Everything is super-concentrated, distilled down to the essential. Often we are left in a state of unknowing, and sadly, I think this is where some viewers get impatient and declare that 'nothing is happening'. Banging on a metal door. Scribbles on case files. Methodical sweeping of the floor.
At the very beginning of The Secret History of Twin Peaks, Mark Frost talks about how mystery stimulates wonder. And how wonder gets our brains activated, trying to sort out a why. It's very clear that Lynch has the same M.O. I suspect it's why these episodes linger so strongly in the brain (at least in mine). Lynch gets a reputation as an impenetrable director, but I find him to be highly respectful of his audience.
If you wanted someone to be able to piece together a puzzle, you wouldn't rush through the list of clues. You would describe each piece vividly, you would take your time with each moment and you would allow the information to sink into that person's mind.
One of the fascinating things I've discovered is that when I rewatch episodes, the pacing actually feels a bit quicker. I have more information. I'm less impatient. I am able to make connections and understand more of the subtle touches.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think Lynch has made me realize that a lot of entertainment has trained its viewers to expect a constant stream of easily accessible information. I think of Aaron Sorkin, for example. And so often that information is of little consequence or doesn't stimulate much inner change because we haven't been asked to go on any sort of journey to attain it.
Grouchy
06-26-2017, 11:57 PM
What in the flying fuck...
Milky Joe
06-27-2017, 12:57 AM
One of the fascinating things I've discovered is that when I rewatch episodes, the pacing actually feels a bit quicker. I have more information. I'm less impatient. I am able to make connections and understand more of the subtle touches.
Definitely. It's unquestionable that this show is designed to be watched more than once. Scenes that felt aimless or completely inscrutable on a first viewing become much more clear on a second viewing. And like you said, even when it feels like nothing is happening, there's usually something going on under the surface. Lynch is a far more intentional director than most give him credit for being.
Spinal
06-27-2017, 04:08 AM
Just rewatched Episode 8, this time with headphones on. Highly recommended.
If anything, watching it with some sense of orientation just drives home for me how astonishing this episode is. I wonder how impactful it will be on television in general, considering it relies on show-specific iconography and context. But what strikes me is that if you have followed the show and paid attention, the communication of information is somehow simultaneously unfamiliar and yet utterly clear. A story unfolds in images that could not be expressed fully with words. Masterful.
I was so flabbergasted the first time that I completely missed the relevance of the 'convenience store' and it's connection back to Fire Walk with Me.
Other thing that I didn't completely register the first time around: the sounds made by the woman in the car after the woodsman first asks for a light. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I encourage you to go back and watch that with headphones on. That sound design ... man, oh man.
Spinal
06-27-2017, 06:25 AM
I can't stop thinking about the woodsman in the context of authoritarianism: forced traffic stop, intimidation, media manipulation, violence behind closed doors. His seductive phrase, repeated over and over again, almost religious in nature. It puts the populace into a state of hibernation while elsewhere innocence is corrupted (the girl and the egg creature).
slqrick
06-27-2017, 12:20 PM
Holy fucking shit, this show. I feel like that episode was a culmination of everything Lynch has been trying to convey for the 30+ years. Bravura shit bruh.
I think Naomi Watts has been the MVP so far, such a great twist on the "shrill wife" stereotype.
Grouchy
06-27-2017, 02:16 PM
MVP for me is McLachlan, but special points awarded to the Ferrer/Lynch duo. Every scene with them together makes me crack up.
Spinal
06-27-2017, 04:28 PM
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/diane/
Go on, try it.
Spinal
06-27-2017, 05:09 PM
Kyle MacLachlan is winning all the awards, right? His performance here is my favorite thing ever.
My understanding is that the show won't be eligible for awards until next year's ceremony, so don't be surprised in a couple weeks if nothing from Twin Peaks is mentioned in the nominations.
Spinal
06-28-2017, 04:15 PM
Robert Broski's IMDb credits:
1. Trip to the Moon: Retrograde (2018) (filming) .... Abraham Lincoln
2. Trip to the Moon (2017) (filming) .... Abraham Lincoln
3. Rumspringa (2017) (post-production) .... Grandpa Amos
4. "Twin Peaks" (completed) .... Woodsman (1 episode, 2017)
- Part 8 (2017) TV episode .... Woodsman
5. U.S. Grant: American Warrior (2017) (TV) .... President Lincoln
6. Pee-wee's Big Holiday (2016) .... Abraham Lincoln
7. "Wigs" (2014) TV series .... Abe (unknown episodes)
8. "The Haunted Hathaways" .... Abraham Lincoln (1 episode, 2014)
- Mostly Ghostly Girl: Part 1 (2014) TV episode .... Abraham Lincoln
9. Linclone (2014) .... Abraham Linclone
10. Therapy (2013/I) .... Abe
11. Grace Bedell (2010) .... Abraham Lincoln
Robert Broski's IMDb credits:
Abraham Lincoln
...and when viewed in light of the innocent little girl finding the heads-up penny and declaring it to be good luck, Broski's subsequent appearance (and the fact that she turned out to be the final/ultimate victim), is even creepier than originally thought.
Lynch is a genius.
Yup. Sounds about right
To score the haunting Woodsmen theme, Daivd Lynch severely slowed down Beethoven's “Moonlight Sonata” (http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/music/woodsmen-beethoven-moonlight-sonata/)
Stay Puft
06-30-2017, 04:22 AM
I didn't say anything specific about the first two episodes, but whew, that glass box subplot. You know the scene. I haven't been that scared in a long time. I think I literally stopped breathing for a minute. And then when the plot threads dovetail at the end in the most unexpected way... that's what I love about Lynch right there. I'm hanging off every frame of this thing.
(We all assume the creature that appeared is the "Mother" from the weird purple room, right?)
Anyways, I watched the fifth episode the other day. Ernie Hudson in my Twin Peaks, oh my god yes. And Coop's "FBI intuition" kicking back in for that one scene was great. It's great watching the character slowly reboot, like an old computer recovering after a system crash.
I loved the fake out here with the Bang Bang Bar ending. I thought that was it, but then nope, there's actually a scene in the bar again. And then it keeps going. That "Mr. Strawberry" scene was incredible. And then the closing credits, wow. That was the best closer so far. Returning to Coop still standing at the statue, the music cue, the credit roll... it was immediately funny but then slowly very sad. This is the first episode where the humor of the Dougie scenes really started to crack, and the tragedy of the subplot began seeping in more and more. Leave it to Lynch to wring out so many varied and conflicting emotions in a single plot thread, even in a single (credit!) scene.
I'll try to watch more tomorrow. Holiday weekend, though, so I might not get caught up until next week.
I've been thinking a lot about Lynch's use of pacing (in collaboration with his editor). I greatly admire how willing he is to allow us to live in a moment without rushing it or providing extra filler. Everything is super-concentrated, distilled down to the essential. Often we are left in a state of unknowing, and sadly, I think this is where some viewers get impatient and declare that 'nothing is happening'. Banging on a metal door. Scribbles on case files. Methodical sweeping of the floor. [...] Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think Lynch has made me realize that a lot of entertainment has trained its viewers to expect a constant stream of easily accessible information. I think of Aaron Sorkin, for example. And so often that information is of little consequence or doesn't stimulate much inner change because we haven't been asked to go on any sort of journey to attain it.
I can see that, especially the bolded. I actually had a weird moment recently where I was reading some reactions to the new season on a discussion forum, and a lot of people were complaining that it was slow and nothing was happening (and a lot of people were upset that Coop was weird and just wanted the old character back, no surprise there I guess) and it blew my mind a little because it never occurred to me that the pacing in this new season was slow. I suppose I'm more accustomed to art cinema than "peak TV" or maybe I just drink the kool-aid a little too much with Lynch (that's probably true). Somebody was talking about doing fan edits and cutting down a bunch of the Dougie material and I almost went into convulsions at the thought. I hope the whole season is Coop as Dougie, just to piss that person off.
Spinal
06-30-2017, 04:49 AM
I think it's utterly bizarre to think that Cooper would sit 25 years in the Black Lodge and then immediately be back to his old self. I mean, how dull would that be?
Spinal
06-30-2017, 06:56 PM
Robert Broski is a seemingly awesome guy (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/twin-peaks-meet-man-behind-david-lynchs-new-nightmare-1018088).
How does it feel to have played such a central part in this nuclear hellfire exploration of light and darkness?
Oh, it's a crack-up. I mean, this is memorable. It's obviously going to be with me for the rest of my life. For the rest of my life, I think people are going to come up to me and ask: "Got a light?" That's going to be the new "where's the beef," from thirty years ago.
Hey Spinal, did you know that Carlton Lee Russell ("Jumping Man" from FWWM) is listed in the credits for this season?
This dude freaks me out!
Spinal
06-30-2017, 11:12 PM
Hey Spinal, did you know that Carlton Lee Russell ("Jumping Man" from FWWM) is listed in the credits for this season?
Excellent! Hope he's kept those knees in shape.
Stay Puft
07-06-2017, 04:58 AM
I've seen episodes 6 & 7 now. Something else I forgot to mention about the premiere was the random pan across the jail cells to the mysterious figure (the charcoal hobo, as some are calling him) just sitting there and staring, then vanishing. It felt like one of the more random wtf moments of the series so far and had no context or follow up... until episode 7. That scene in the hallway nearly gave me a panic attack. That was some Mulholland Dr. don't look behind the dumpster shit right there. Threads really feel like they're starting to converge now in episode 7 and there's some weird fucking shit still happening in the margins. This whole Briggs subplot is intense.
Also, SQUEEZE HIS HAND OFF. I was genuinely concerned about Cooper in these episodes (Wake up! Don't die!).
This week was a little light on forward progression, and therefore a little bit frustrating.
But holy moly to the Laura Dern reveal!
Indeed. A character reveal 25 years in the making! I screamed when Laura Dern appeared. I wouldn't have had it any other way.
The second theme, special to this series, is the theme of aging and time.
Good thoughts re: Cooper.
But the part that hit me the hardest here, surprisingly, was Carl. I never expected to see him again, but his scenes in episode 6 are among my favorites now so far this season, and a big part of that is because it directly confronts the fact that Harry Dean Stanton is 91(!). Carl's weariness with the trailer park, and Mickey telling him he still has some tread left, put a lump in my throat. I was fighting back tears when Carl was just sitting on a bench, staring up at the trees.
Also, I'm not sure what to make of the ensuing car accident - Lynch's directing on that was really weird - but it at least confirms a popular theory from FWWM ("I've been places.").
All around, I'm really happy we got to see Carl again.
Spinal, excellent episode, but you forgot to mention the dude sweeping the floor of The Bang Bang Bar while Booker T & the MGs' Green Onions played in the background.
For 5 minutes.
And it was my favorite scene. I love David Lynch.
I kept thinking the credits were going to start rolling. It would have been a funny variation on the usual Roadhouse endings. Great scene, either way.
(The phone call was also amusing. I guess you can't teach an old Renault new tricks.)
Anyways, one more episode and then I'm caught up!
Yxklyx
07-09-2017, 03:10 AM
Lynch is my favorite director but have not been watching this - no TV! Can't wait for this to come out on DVDs!
http://thesearchforthezone.com/
Spinal
07-10-2017, 05:08 AM
Gordon trying to bum a smoke off of Diane was freaking hilarious. Also loved Jerry's continued freak-out. Good episode. No real mind blowers, but nice forward progression. Great to see a couple new famous faces join the cast. Boy, Matthew Lillard is not a great actor.
In a show full of gruesome murders, vomiting strange fluids, and bugs entering bodies, somehow the armpit rash and that scratching noise just bother me almost as much. Ugh.
Grouchy
07-12-2017, 11:52 PM
Boy, Matthew Lillard is not a great actor.
Huh? I think he did great. Lynch scripts are usually challenging for actors who are forced to act in a very unnatural way at times.
And yeah, agreed, the armpit rash was fucking gross.
Spinal
07-13-2017, 12:58 AM
Huh? I think he did great. Lynch scripts are usually challenging for actors who are forced to act in a very unnatural way at times.
And yeah, agreed, the armpit rash was fucking gross.
It's not that it's unnatural. It's that he plays the same beat throughout his entire scene. No depth.
Stay Puft
07-15-2017, 05:25 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6wrGVfrChvPeMVfW/giphy.gif
Seriously though, I think the middle nuclear test section through the giant sequence is pretty easy to interpret if you know the show.
If you've watched The Missing Pieces, it makes a shocking amount of sense. This episode feels like a visualization of what The Man From Another Place describes in the meeting Philip Jefferies witnesses above the convenience store:
"From pure air.
We have descended... from pure air.
Going up and down.
Intercourse between two worlds."
Also, electricity (or energy, in general) continues to be the key. Lynch dropping (atomic) bombs.
The only thing that confused me was Laura Palmer being a dragon ball. I have no idea where Lynch is going with that or how I should interpret it (associating the supernatural with Laura like that seems unnecessary, and also makes the origins of Bob as articulated in the original show a little baffling, since the Black Lodge has possibly existed since the beginning of time, and Leland had known about Bob as a kid; but of course we're barely half way through the show so we'll have to see where all of this goes).
Also, if the 1940's segment is Lynch doing 2001: A Space Odyssey, the 1950's segment is Lynch doing [REC]2. The best thing I can say right now is that I never have any fucking idea where this is going. Lynch and Frost continue to surprise and amaze and entertain.
One other thing I stumbled upon tonight while reading Episode 8 reactions is this fun little bit from 4chan:
http://i.imgur.com/J7zD7mS.png
http://i.imgur.com/lnsHR87.png
I'm having so much fucking fun with this season.
Kyle MacLachlan continues to impress.
I also thought Rebekah Del Rio's song was great, and the episode outstanding. I'm starting to think Lynch embraces bad acting.
And how can you not love the Candie triplets?
Spinal
07-17-2017, 06:03 PM
Absolutely loved Del Rio's song, even as I was hoping Lynch would squeeze one more scene in before the end.
I'm really perplexed and bothered by whatever is going on with Diane. I realize I'm supposed to be, but I just can't sort out what's happened with her in the past couple episodes.
We're getting tantalizingly closer and closer to Audrey.
Between the violence done to Sylvia Horne, Becky and Miriam, this was not a particularly fun episode to watch.
Looks like someone hacked Herman Cain's website (https://www.hermancain.com/) with screen grabs from Twin Peaks. It's hilarious. See it quick before it's taken down.
Grouchy
07-18-2017, 10:26 PM
Eh, this episode has a lot of content in comparison to others, but it's not one of my favorites. A lot of it felt like filler or red herrings. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood.
Final song was great, though. Pure Lynch.
Naomi Watts posted one of her conversations with David Lynch on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BWwc9w4hfJJ
(Put in spoiler for size)
https://instagram.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/20180499_660042747539751_15966 75064613306368_n.jpg
Milky Joe
07-20-2017, 05:21 PM
Lynch, to himself: *shakes head* fucking method actors...
Spinal
07-20-2017, 05:59 PM
It's kind of like a Lynch script.
1) Dorky humor
2) Moment of calm serenity
3) FUCK YOU, BITCH!
Stay Puft
07-23-2017, 03:23 AM
I'm all caught up.
I'm with Grouchy a bit as these last couple episodes didn't grab me as much. 10 in particular felt weird at first, as it hit so many of the different plots, sometimes only sticking around for like a minute at a time (i.e. Jerry freaking out in the woods). There's a lot of plot flying around here. I think part of it is that I'm feeling restless now after Part 8. That episode was my jam. I actually jumped straight into 9 afterwards because I was hungry for more, but it was just... plot (the episode mostly just confirmed a lot of things we could already infer) and I honestly remembered nothing afterwards because I couldn't stop thinking about mushroom clouds and frog moths. Watched it again, though, finally, and followed it up with 10. One thing I liked about 10 was how it kinda felt like an episode of Mulholland Drive from a timeline where that show existed, with the casino thugs plot and Candy and the bunnies and even the Club Silencio singer at the end.
These seem to suffer from being middle episodes, and I imagine would play a lot better in a larger context, but as individual episodes I did find them a little unsatisfying. Plenty of amazing moments throughout, however, especially with Dougie, who continues to be the highlight of this entire season. I couldn't stop laughing when he was staring at the American flag in Part 9. The last scene with the Log Lady in 10 was a surprise, as well, and deliciously foreboding.
I think Agent Cooper is going to return in Part 12.
Showtime has been dishing out these cryptic "synopses" in advance of all the episodes:
Part 8 - Gotta light.
Part 9 - This is the chair.
Part 10 - Laura is the one
Tonights episode is There's fire where you are going.
I think that's the narrative with Hawk, Bobby and the others following Major Brigg's map to the lodge.
Part 12 is simply titled Let's rock.
Oh yeah.
Spinal
07-24-2017, 02:12 AM
Great episode! Were they actually referencing Se7en?
Spinal
07-24-2017, 03:04 AM
Also, check out the credits to find out the identity of the woman Steven was with. (!)
Stay Puft
07-24-2017, 04:18 AM
Part 12 is simply titled Let's rock.
This needs to be another abstract Lynch power hour chronicling the adventures of Agent Chester Desmond in the Black Lodge.
And cap it with a five minute flashback shot of his car being towed out of the trailer park.
Not my favorite episode(s) of the season, but might be the one that has everything: mythology, various type of terrors, comedy, old Peaks, new weird Peaks, melodrama mode, everything-a-bit-off slow mode, heart. Very good.
Grouchy
07-24-2017, 10:35 PM
Also, check out the credits to find out the identity of the woman Steven was with. (!)
Oooooh I totally missed it. Well, I'd have to be a Twin Peaks psychopath NOT to miss it, but still.
Stay Puft
07-25-2017, 05:15 AM
That was maybe the most harrowing, unsettling, and ominous episode yet... but also one of the most ridiculously laugh out loud funny and absurd. I thought we were going to lose Gordon there for a second and screamed (and Lynch somehow put one of the biggest laughs of the episode smack dab in the middle of that, it was amazing). The kid in the car... what even the fuck was that? "There's fire where you are going." Now I'm scared for Hawk, too. I spent the whole episode worrying about everyone. And then the scene in the desert happened and I could barely breathe I was laughing so hard. Damn good! Seeing the lady from Episode 3 again was really sweet, too.
Also, check out the credits to find out the identity of the woman Steven was with. (!)
Damn, I missed that, too! It's the same actress and everything.
Now that's interesting. (Is the show actually going to address Donna at any point?)
Spinal
07-26-2017, 06:13 PM
Nifty article that takes a look at Lynch's contribution as an actor. (http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-david-lynch-gordon-cole-actor-1201859860/)
New episode titles:
Part 13 - What Story is That, Charlie?
Part 14 - We Are Like the Dreamer
Part 15 - There's Some Fear in Letting Go
Part 16 - No Knock No Doorbell
Spinal
07-27-2017, 11:42 PM
It might take a lot to top the stunner that was Episode 8. But I rewatched Episode 11 last night and I think it might be the next best thing so far.
The suspenseful opening moments watching a game of catch, as the camera pans back and forth as we wait for the inevitable other shoe to drop.
Becky's adrenaline-filled rampage including the masterful sequence that completely convinces you that Mädchen Amick is actually riding around on the hood of a car.
Gordon's Cole's thrilling experience of peeking into another dimension, punctuated by a gruesome surprise that leads to perfectly timed comedic understatement.
A virtuoso sequence at the diner in which Dana Ashbrook of all people gives a nuanced, rich performance as he tries to come to grips with the way that his little hometown is falling apart around him.
A highly satisfying and hilarious resolution[?] to the Vegas gangster storyline that offers both a bit of nostalgia and a promise of imminent forward momentum for Cooper.
Front to back, just a joy to watch.
Spinal
07-31-2017, 02:00 AM
Yikes, what happened? For an episode titled "Let's Rock", this was a real test of patience, even for a die-hard enthusiast. Apart from the Sarah Palmer scenes, there wasn't much here. Even the appearance of Audrey didn't do much to stir me this week.
Spinal
07-31-2017, 02:55 PM
Diane's use of the phrase "Let's Rock" basically confirms that she is a doppelganger or a Black Lodge spirit or something. The question is when did this happen? Did something happen after she met with Evil Cooper in prison? Was it before the timeline of this current series? Has Diane always been playing for the dark side?
This and Episode 10 (two weeks ago) are my least favorite of the season. That one is rather unpleasant, while this feels so... static (for lack of a better word on my part).
Grouchy
08-02-2017, 02:24 AM
Yeah, filler episode. I think the series as a whole is far from being perfect but it has so many outlandish and affecting scenes.
Milky Joe
08-02-2017, 04:40 AM
I really liked that episode. *shrug* There were lots of laughs for me.
Thought the Sarah Palmer scenes were some of the best scenes in the show so far.
Was weirdly thrilled by the 'initiation' of Tammy Preston.
Audrey's scene was an anti-climactic debut but that scene veered so far off into the absurdly obtuse I just had to laugh. Same thing with the French Woman.
Quality.
Still sick of the Chromatics though.
Spinal
08-02-2017, 04:12 PM
My only issue with the Tammy initiation is that we haven't really seen evidence of this excellence that she supposedly has. She's come across more like a personal assistant to Gordon than she has a prodigy.
Spinal
08-02-2017, 09:35 PM
This article (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/30/16067146/twin-peaks-episode-12-the-return-audrey-horne) offers up a pretty good defense of Episode 12, specifically the blatant audience-baiting in the scenes with the French Woman and Audrey.
Twin Peaks knows you want answers. Twin Peaks is worried about you. Why not relax a little?
Spinal
08-07-2017, 02:39 AM
Aaaand we're back to form with a damn good episode. The return of Dark Cooper is most welcome and this was MacLachlan at his most impressive. I'm still not sure what to make of Audrey's situation, but there was a lot in tonight's scene to suggest that it's more complicated that it initially appeared and that last episode's audience alienation had purpose. Masterful closing credits shot of Ed just sitting and watching life pass him by. Poignant and sad. And I don't care what anyone says, I enjoyed the revival of James' song.
Oh, and Sonny Jim's playset. Hilarious.
Milky Joe
08-07-2017, 09:04 PM
Masterful closing credits shot of Ed just sitting and watching life pass him by. Poignant and sad.
Did you see what happened with his reflection? More going on there than just Ed sitting.
Spinal
08-08-2017, 01:01 AM
Did you see what happened with his reflection? More going on there than just Ed sitting.
Well, I'll be damned. I had to watch it a few times before I knew what you were talking about. Not sure what to make of that.
Milky Joe
08-08-2017, 01:10 AM
Pretty sure it has something to do with the 'time-loop' Sarah Palmer was locked in—her TV repeating the same 12 seconds of a boxing match over and over. Of course, the insurance boss is an ex-boxer, has that huge boxing poster behind his desk...
My prediction: a massive dimensional overlap is about to occur in Twin Peaks, and Cooper has to be there when it does...
Stay Puft
08-08-2017, 02:11 AM
I've been out of town for a while so I'm just getting caught up with the last two episodes now.
I liked both, but agree that 13 is much stronger. That arm wrestling scene with Mr. C, damn!
Reactions to 12:
I loved the initiation scene. I got my Chet Desmond namedrop so I'm happy. Lots of FWWM references this episode, actually.
I don't know if I'm going with Diane being a doppelganger or anything. That was a strange appearance of "Let's rock," though.
"She didn't get it either" is maybe the hardest I've laughed so far. Gordon and Albert are a treasure.
The Audrey scene is great, and the audience baiting comment is spot on. I knew where it was going when Charlie called Tina and I couldn't stop laughing.
The bit about Billy and Chuck, too... is that what Andy was investigating a few episodes go? Because the time to meet was 4:30.
"I loved that bike." Amazing scene. And I still miss Harry but Frank has been a wonderful addition.
Reactions to 13:
Tom Sizemore crawling under the desk was great.
I thought Cooper was going to dodge the assassination attempt by recognizing his motives (ala the "he's lying" scene from earlier), but I loved how everything came back around to Cooper just being such a positive force in the world (the guy helping him with the door was so sweet) and people projecting themselves onto him ("Con...fess" / "Yes, Dougie, I will." LOL.)
The arm wrestling scene, as mentioned, is one of the highlights of the season. It still hurts that there's no Bowie, though, as you can tell how much they had written for him and had to work around.
So good to see Big Ed again. So sad, too. It broke my heart to see him in the diner while Norma was talking to Walter.
AND I LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN WITH THAT ROADHOUSE ENDING
http://i.imgur.com/9ASBS9Q.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/12XMGIWtrHBl5e/giphy.gif
Did you see what happened with his reflection? More going on there than just Ed sitting.
Well, I'll be damned. I had to watch it a few times before I knew what you were talking about. Not sure what to make of that.
Interesting article on all the time anomalies so far (http://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/twin-peaks-theories-part-13-time-loops-soup-showtime-1201864423/)
Big Ed's reflection sure does have that Phillip Jeffries' surveillance video glitch effect from Fire Walk With Me.
Spinal
08-08-2017, 07:52 PM
I don't understand the huge negativity towards the song, "Just You". James isn't the greatest character on the show, but that moment is one of the highlights of the second season. I love the looks James gets from Maddy and Donna as they compete for his attention and the way the song fits into Lynch's 1950s-inspired version of the early 1990s.
I'm hearing that Part 14 (which accidentally aired briefly in Germany last Sunday) is pretty much an all-around mindfuck episode.
Grouchy
08-08-2017, 08:35 PM
I don't understand the huge negativity towards the song, "Just You". James isn't the greatest character on the show, but that moment is one of the highlights of the second season. I love the looks James gets from Maddy and Donna as they compete for his attention and the way the song fits into Lynch's 1950s-inspired version of the early 1990s.
Yeah. If you don't like moments like that you don't really like Twin Peaks.
I'm hearing that Part 14 (which accidentally aired briefly in Germany last Sunday) is pretty much an all-around mindfuck episode.
I really hope so because this last one was sloooooooooooow. It would make sense given this personal meta-message I received from Lynch:
http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/twinpeaks_ep13_bearwithme.png? w=780
Spinal
08-08-2017, 09:49 PM
I'm hearing that Part 14 (which accidentally aired briefly in Germany last Sunday) is pretty much an all-around mindfuck episode.
I've been trying to avoid advance news, but we are due for the return of The Giant, I expect.
Spinal
08-14-2017, 04:52 AM
So many wonderful scenes, I don't know where to start. Hard to imagine anything upstaging a scene with the Giant. But then Sarah Palmer happened... oh, man.
And Monica Bellucci. And Jack Rabbit's Palace. And that last conversation starting to piece things together. Great stuff.
Stay Puft
08-14-2017, 05:22 AM
"In Memory of David Bowie" :(
The Monica Bellucci dream was the greatest thing ever.
Spinal
08-14-2017, 08:12 PM
Is it possible that Diane has been texting her sister this whole time?
Stay Puft
08-14-2017, 08:51 PM
We've seen Mr. C sending her at least one of those texts, though. And Albert confirms that she replies to that one.
I still can't figure out what's up with Diane. She seems genuinely unsettled and surprised by many events. I want to say she has never met Dougie. But that's weird, right? Given the family connection that is now revealed, Diane had to have been involved in Mr. C's plan from the beginning, right? Is she being manipulated, deceived? Does she or does she not know about the doppelgangers?
I still think Dougie's family is innocent, and will figure into Cooper's awakening.
edit - Now I can't remember. They found the ring in the Major's body, right? In the stomach contents? And that's all we know? How did the ring end up there?
Spinal
08-14-2017, 09:14 PM
Yeah, I feel like Janey knows that Dougie Jones (the person that was 'created for a purpose') is/was not a real person and has agreed to participate in some kind of domestic living arrangement for show. Perhaps Dark Cooper coerced Diane (and her sister) into providing a cover for his decoy under threat of death.
Basically, the Diane-Janey connection allows me to think, 'oh that make sense' without really knowing why.
Grouchy
08-15-2017, 07:24 PM
Basically, the Diane-Janey connection allows me to think, 'oh that make sense' without really knowing why.
Same here. The scene felt like a breakthrough for the investigation as it was playing but on second thought it does nothing but raise more problems.
Anyway, this episode was a ton of fun. The Gloved Englishman bit was great.
Stay Puft
08-21-2017, 05:20 AM
I don't want to say too much now in case some people here haven't watched it yet, but I'm still wiping tears from my eyes. I can't remember the last time an episode of television hit me that hard.
Also, seriously, damn, David Bowie not getting to film anything for this hurts so much. I think they've done a great job considering (the guy they got to do the voice for Jeffries seems pretty good), but having MacLachlan and Bowie face to face again would have been that much more incredible.
What an emotional rollercoaster. This show has some dramatic high points before (in the first two seasons mostly) but I never cried at one. This, though, has me teared up within 10 minutes flat out of joy, and then again near the end, this time out of sadness. In between there are some plot momentum that seem to be all ominous darkness and violent trangressions, but those two humane moments really ground them. Great episode.
Spinal
08-21-2017, 04:39 PM
It's all the more touching knowing how far back Lynch and Coulson go. Their friendship pre-dates Lynch's fame. Taking the time to have a straightforward moment to reflect on her contribution was such a beautiful loving gesture.
I never expected that we would ever get more information on Judy, but it was a delight to see Jeffries finally ready to talk about her.
Loved the explicit reference to Sunset Blvd. and MacLachan's reaction. People keep complaining that they aren't seeing the old character and meanwhile, between Dark Cooper and Dim Cooper, MacLachlan's probably giving the performance of his career.
So, by my count, here's the things that will hopefully be resolved/answered in the next few episodes ....
Who is Naido?
What happened to Billy and why does it matter?
Is Audrey stuck inside some kind of existential limbo or what?
Was Sarah Palmer that girl who had the creepy bug walk into her mouth?
What was making all that noise in Sarah Palmer's house when Hawk showed up?
How did that ring get in Major Briggs' stomach?
What the hell is going on with Diane?
What's up with that mysterious sound at the Great Northern?
What does it mean that Laura Palmer is "The One"?
What is the Experiment?
Does Janey-E know more than she lets on?
Why does Cooper need to remember Richard and Linda?
What is the one-gloved man's destiny?
EDIT: Also, who was it that called Dark Cooper on the phone claiming to be Phillip Jeffries?
Am I missing anything? It's gonna be a hell of a finish.
Stay Puft
08-21-2017, 10:07 PM
I never would have guessed Sunset Blvd. would be the trigger, but yeah that was absolutely brilliant.
I mean, I'm assuming Cooper is "awake" now. They leave us hanging, but from electricity to electricity seems a clear indicator/tease.
I've still got that convenience store scene stuck in my mind. Knowing that's where the painting brought Laura is a game changer. It seems to function as an access point between worlds? That slow tracking shot as Mr. C moves across the lot to the room Jeffries is hiding in... wow. I was holding my breath throughout that whole sequence. This was a pretty dark episode but it looked incredible overall. Amazing cinematography. And ominous. The lights going out at the Log Lady's cabin, the final Roadhouse scene into the credits, and that final closing shot... this was some of the most emotional and unsettling stuff Lynch has ever filmed.
Also, I hope we get more Jumping Man. We didn't even see him jump! Or is changing his face his new gimmick?
Nice sync!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH7yDBQaS8&feature=youtu.be
Grouchy
08-23-2017, 08:00 PM
Great episode. I hope those prison cells just continue to be gradually filled with oddballs until the season finale.
Spinal
08-23-2017, 09:45 PM
I don't think Chad's getting out of there alive.
Looks like Ray Wise is going to be in the final 3 episodes.
I can't explain it, but I half-expect "Judy" to turn out to be Diane. And I don't know why.
Stay Puft
08-27-2017, 08:45 PM
It's Sunday and ya'll know what that means... one last trip into Twin Peaks before the finale.
Summon the van.
https://abload.de/img/ezgif-1-fd77081bd9dvjz7.gif
Next stop, Wendy's.
Are we going to get real Dale Cooper tonight?
Spinal
08-27-2017, 10:04 PM
Are we going to get real Dale Cooper tonight?
Maybe. But you can never tell with Frost and Lynch. I feel like it's just as likely that Cooper wakes up in that weird Audrey Horne limbo plotline or in the back kitchen of the Double R Diner.
Stay Puft
08-27-2017, 11:53 PM
Whatever happens, I'm gonna miss Dougie when this is all over.
About as awesome as it can get.
Pure, unfiltered greatness.
Spinal
08-28-2017, 01:59 AM
I have no words. Frost and Lynch crushing it. This show is going down in history.
Spinal
08-28-2017, 02:05 AM
That final scene. Just chills. I was getting around to thinking ... oh, Audrey exists in the real world after all ... and then, that happened.
Don't mean to go off-topic, but this episode of TP, combined with that amazing finale of Game of Thrones, has provided me with possibly the most enjoyable 2 ½ hour block of television that I've ever seen. Words almost can't do it justice.
Spinal
08-28-2017, 02:36 AM
Good to hear about GoT. Saving it for bedtime.
Spinal
08-28-2017, 02:38 AM
Oh, man. I was laughing so hard at that confrontation outside Dougie's house. That may as well have been a commercial for TM.
That confrontation outside Dougie's house. That may as well have been a commercial for TM.
That was TV on crack, that's what that was.
Spinal
08-28-2017, 04:57 AM
That was TV on crack, that's what that was.
And what a brilliant commentary on gun culture in America. You have hitmen, mobsters and the FBI in a suburban neighborhood and the scariest guy turns out to be a slighty inconvenieced accountant.
Stay Puft
08-28-2017, 04:59 AM
Wow, this episode confirmed all the most unsavory theories about Mr. C's reign of terror. This dude is pure evil.
How's Annie?
Diane's use of the phrase "Let's Rock" basically confirms that she is a doppelganger or a Black Lodge spirit or something
Give this man a medal.
(Obvious in retrospect, but I really thought that was a subversion/misdirect. Good call, Spinal!)
Stay Puft
08-28-2017, 05:08 AM
Also, pour one out for Dougie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkbDN5u4r8o
Spinal
08-28-2017, 07:29 PM
Cooper's revival just drove home how remarkable MacLachlan has been as 'Dougie'. You didn't need him to say a word. As soon as you saw his change in physicality and the difference in his eyes, you knew he was back. Sure, Dark Cooper may have a different hairdo, but MacLachlan is doing most of this work of differentiating characters purely on his own.
Stay Puft
08-28-2017, 09:14 PM
All. The. Awards.
The best part of the scene is Cooper acknowledging the kindness of those around him, and thanking them for guiding him back. It all keeps coming back around to Cooper's basic human decency. The one part that surprised me is how primed he was for action, i.e. he knew all about the doppelgangers and even how they were made. It would seem he has been talking a lot with Mike. Leave it to Cooper to make friends even in the Black Lodge, haha.
This episode covers so much ground that by the end I had nearly forgotten one of the best moments... the very beginning, when Jerry stumbles into the last place I ever expected to see him. Incredible scene. When he first appears coming over the hill I actually held my breath for a second, because I thought a Woodsman was appearing to confront Mr. C and Richard... and then I just started screaming with laughter.
BAD BAD BAD BINOCULARS
Every single scene this episode was 100%. I can't believe it's already over next week.
Spinal
08-28-2017, 09:51 PM
Every single scene this episode was 100%.
Yep. Also loved Candie's line reading, agreeing with Cooper about the Mitchum brothers having hearts of gold.
Yup. Also loved the house band's backwards "lodge-style" playing of Audrey's theme during the closing credits. Too many great bits to count.
Grouchy
08-29-2017, 12:55 PM
"I am the FBI".
I almost cried.
Spinal
08-31-2017, 05:52 PM
Of course I love the original series and the characters. But what I’ve enjoyed most is not when The Return made me say, “Aw, it’s so nice to see that/him/her again.” It’s when the show made me say — as it has, over and over — “Wow, I’ve never seen that before.” The sooty Woodsman intoning poetry while crushing a man’s skull, the woman with eyes sewn shut, the void behind Sarah Palmer’s face: It’s good to see Mr. Lynch’s coffee has not been switched to decaf.
A loving assessment from two NYT reviewers. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/arts/television/twin-peaks-return-finale-critics-conversation.html?mcubz=1)
Spinal
08-31-2017, 06:37 PM
So far ...
So, by my count, here's the things that will hopefully be resolved/answered in the next few episodes ....
Who is Naido? Don't know
What happened to Billy and why does it matter? Don't know
Is Audrey stuck inside some kind of existential limbo or what? Answer seems to be on the way
Was Sarah Palmer that girl who had the creepy bug walk into her mouth? Don't know
What was making all that noise in Sarah Palmer's house when Hawk showed up? Don't know
How did that ring get in Major Briggs' stomach? Don't know
What the hell is going on with Diane? ANSWERED!
What's up with that mysterious sound at the Great Northern? Don't know
What does it mean that Laura Palmer is "The One"? Don't know
What is the Experiment? Don't know
Does Janey-E know more than she lets on? Possibly answered, she seems to be just who she claims to be
Why does Cooper need to remember Richard and Linda? Don't know
What is the one-gloved man's destiny? Don't know
EDIT: Also, who was it that called Dark Cooper on the phone claiming to be Phillip Jeffries? Don't know
Milky Joe
08-31-2017, 10:18 PM
DIANE = NAIDO
I think #4 is a resounding YES.
Hard to imagine all of those will be answered in the last two eps, but that's OK. If they do I'd be amazed, but I don't need every dot crossed and every I t'd.
Spinal
08-31-2017, 10:45 PM
Hard to imagine all of those will be answered in the last two eps, but that's OK. If they do I'd be amazed, but I don't need every dot crossed and every I t'd.
Nor do I. I initially made that list because I was reading things about how the show had hopelessly opened up too many loose ends to come to a satisfying conclusion. I didn't think it was true then and I think it's even less true now.
Your Naido theory seems sound, although I'm very curious as to how that will play out.
I also think Judy is Major Briggs. One last Wizard of Oz reference before Lynch calls it a career. Judy + Garland.
I also think Judy is Major Briggs. One last Wizard of Oz reference before Lynch calls it a career. Judy + Garland.
LOVE this theory.
Spinal
08-31-2017, 11:36 PM
LOVE this theory.
I wish I could take credit. But once I read it, it made instant sense.
Stay Puft
09-01-2017, 01:03 AM
That Judy theory makes a lot of sense.
I'd safely say Janey-E is who she appears to be. Also, One Punch Man's destiny is almost certainly to protect Naido. But I guess we'll find out soon.
What's up with that mysterious sound at the Great Northern? Don't know
It's Mike!
I guess this is still an unanswered question (like, what IS up with it?) but I definitely think it's Mike. In the international pilot, this sound appears when Bob is in the basement, after he says he would like to sing with Mike again. He hears the sound and says "Mike? Mike, can you hear me?" This is also the sound that The Arm makes when he rubs his hands together in the Red Room (I can't remember which episode this ends up being, but I think it also happens in the international pilot). And finally, the sound appears again in last week's episode, to lead Bushnell out of the room, so Mike can talk to Cooper when he wakes up.
Here's a sound mystery that's bugging me, though: Have we ever heard the sounds that the Fireman tells Cooper to listen to again? I went back and watched that scene but I can't recall if that sound has ever appeared again at any point. There's a lot to keep track of here, so I imagine a full rewatch when this is all over is going to be very interesting/rewarding.
Spinal
09-01-2017, 02:12 AM
By golly, you're right!
Spinal
09-01-2017, 04:57 PM
Here's IndieWire's list of questions (http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/twin-peaks-finale-the-return-answer-questions-theories-1201871976/) going into the finale. Compare and contrast.
Why is Laura “the one”?
Where’s Audrey?
Who is Linda?
Who is Judy?
What’s up with Naido?
What the F is up with Sarah Palmer?!
Is anyone else a tulpa?
What happened to the little girl in New Mexico?
Are Red and Chad doomed?
What’s up with that humming sound?
Who — or what — will Freddie punch?
Where is the real Diane?
Does Mr. C still stink?
Will Agent Cooper bring back his iconic catchphrases in Twin Peaks?
Who will be the closing band at The Roadhouse?
Is this the end of “Twin Peaks”?
Milky Joe
09-02-2017, 05:09 AM
Your Naido theory seems sound, although I'm very curious as to how that will play out.[/SPOILER]
Diane said "I'm in the Sheriff's station" right before being whooshed back into the lodge, which I took to mean that Naido is either her real form or a sort of decoy containing her consciousness.
Stay Puft
09-03-2017, 11:03 PM
This is it folks, I can't believe we're already at the end...
...are we finally gonna talk about Judy?
Will we see the monkey again?
https://vimeo.com/151489812
Animal life!
I probably won't be able to catch this until tomorrow so I'm dodging the internet until then.
See you on the other side, Match Cut.
Spinal
09-04-2017, 03:36 AM
HOLY CRAP ... did they go back to 1945?
Spinal
09-04-2017, 03:42 AM
I love this ending. An appropriate balance between resolution and continuing mystery.
Melville
09-04-2017, 02:15 PM
The final two episodes were overwhelming and disorienting. They went a long way toward correcting the main thing I disliked about this season: the literalization of the mythology. In the original, Bob and Mike and the black lodge felt both real and unreal, symbols and spirits and also somehow real people living over a convenience store committing horrible acts and flicking matches at Leland when he was a boy. A lot of this season made it all too definite for me, too concrete and less attached to real trauma and abuse. And that seemed to reach its most off-putting heights in the evil stone ball Bob vs garden-glove man videogame/superhero fight, in which the formerly terrifying figure of Bob was reduced to...an evil stone ball. But then immediately afterwards we get a giant superimposed image of Coop telling us that this goofy story of good triumphing over evil is a dream. And then we get an hour and more of the impossibility of overwriting the original story of abuse with this new story. Coop can seemingly never complete his mission, never rescue the girl.
Obviously this ties into some of the dominant themes of Mulholland Dr and Lost Highway, in which Lynch showed stories of ideals and dreams contrasting and ultimately failing to replace horrible realities of infidelity and murder. But in Inland Empire, he in a sense reversed that. The repeated stories of infidelity and murder were just that: repeated stories, like the idealized stories that countered them. Both stories are powerful. The fiction has a reality either way, and vice versa.
In Twin Peaks, rather than the story of infidelity and murder, there's the story of abuse, the story of the girl down the lane. Again, Lynch seems to be saying that this story has some primal power in our understanding of the world. In the more mythological bits like Ep 8, there seems to be suggested almost metaphysical voodoo power to it, as if it somehow plays a role in the cosmic structure of things. But in Eps 17 and 18, it is repersonalized in the best way: this is a story of Laura's real abuse. It cannot be undone. She can't be taken home again because her home is forever a place of menace and horror. And even the attempt to understand it, to give it some grander meaning and context, is resisted. Coop's mission in the last hour is incomprehensible. It's patterned with things we know but can't understand.
But given what's in Inland Empire, I'd guess Lynch doesn't want us to take away only that bleak message. All the stories are there. The cheery story of Dougie and Janey E also has power, and Janey E does get her Dougie in the end.
Season 2 finale is one of my favorite episodes of all time. And although I really, really like this finale as well, there's a feeling of deliberateness to its admirably stubborn irresolvability that makes it comes off a tad manufactured, not as spontaneous and darkly free-falling as that one (last five minutes or so come a bit close). Episode 17 is one of my favorite of the season though; the Laura stuff destroyed me.
Also no wonder Sherilyn Fenn was so angry for a bit there before season 3 lol. Same, Audrey.
Haha. Lynch turned Twin Peaks into Inland Empire by way of Lost Highway.
Which means I loved it, even though there's much I still need to process.
Part 18, where electricity turns Dianne and Cooper into Linda and Richard and places them in an alternate reality and/or timeline, really struck to the heart of all the themes Lynch incorporates into his universes. Especially Cooper's drive to "save" Laura. Noble acts that grow from a devotion to goodness aren't always guaranteed to bare unspoiled fruit
It was magnificent.
Spinal
09-04-2017, 08:44 PM
According to the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/04/arts/television/twin-peaks-season-3-finale-recap.html?mcubz=1), the woman who answered the door at the Palmer house was played by the actual current owner of the property.
Stay Puft
09-05-2017, 05:22 AM
My reaction to 17:
https://media.giphy.com/media/FM6TN2y6GDeUg/giphy.gif
My reaction to 18:
I feel physically sick, no joke. Is this what watching the finale of S2 back in '91 felt like? I felt the episode was pretty great, Cooper on his quest, following the clues, and then the long ride back to Twin Peaks... during that ride back I was thinking, wow, conceptually this is a brilliant conclusion, the final return, but then I happened to see the time and realized that only five minutes were left and it just started hitting me in waves. I knew where it was going. The door to the house opened and my heart sank. It's exactly like Melville was saying, the reality of Laura's abuse and the incomprehensibility of Cooper's quest. I guess that was the story of the whole season and this revival in general. You can't go home again. Cooper and Laura just standing there in the street at the end was agony. I felt my soul getting torn in half. I still feel sick and it has been a couple hours now since I've seen it. This shit completely fucked me up.
Game over. Judy wins.
Spinal
09-05-2017, 05:28 AM
I know what you mean. Haunting doesn't seem like a big enough word to describe it.
Spinal
09-05-2017, 04:15 PM
I think it's just as interesting to look at the questions that were not definitively resolved as it is the ones that were:
Who is Naido? Diane
What happened to Billy and why does it matter? Don't know
Is Audrey stuck inside some kind of existential limbo or what? Something like that, but no explicit answer
Was Sarah Palmer that girl who had the creepy bug walk into her mouth? Possibly? But no explicit answer
What was making all that noise in Sarah Palmer's house when Hawk showed up? Don't know
How did that ring get in Major Briggs' stomach? Don't know, perhaps the most fascinating unsolved mystery
What the hell is going on with Diane? Tulpa Fever
What's up with that mysterious sound at the Great Northern? It was MIKE/a portal to another dimension
What does it mean that Laura Palmer is "The One"? No explicit answer, but lots of information from which to formulate a theory
What is the Experiment? Don't know
Does Janey-E know more than she lets on? No, she was just who she appeared to be
Why does Cooper need to remember Richard and Linda? In case he wakes up alone in a seedy motel room in another dimension
What is the one-gloved man's destiny? To punch a menacing BOB nugget
EDIT: Also, who was it that called Dark Cooper on the phone claiming to be Phillip Jeffries? Don't know
As for Audrey, I've seen some complex theories, but for me, the simplest explanation works best. She was in a coma for 25 years, including her pregnancy. The initial scenes we see are her unconscious visions as she struggles to wake up. Her final moment is the shock of waking up to realize she's slept through 25 years of her life.
Grouchy
09-06-2017, 01:31 AM
I want a special Emmy to be created solely for Sheryl Lee's screams.
It's also good to know that, if you were making a series and David Bowie was going to play a part but died, you can always replace him with a steaming kettle.
I'm sorry I have nothing to offer but puns but I'm still flabbergasted, to be honest. The first half's ending was very emotional for me while the final episode was flat out disturbing.
Grouchy
09-06-2017, 01:44 AM
David Lynch: not here to answer your goddamn questions.
THE ART LIFE, MOTHERFUCKER.
Spinal
09-06-2017, 02:41 AM
David Lynch: not here to answer your goddamn questions.
THE ART LIFE, MOTHERFUCKER.
Yep! All the while I was watching the ending approaching, I was thinking to myself, "This is the guy who was forced to reveal Laura Palmer's killer when he didn't want to. And he was still stewing about it years later. There is no way in hell he's going to give us a tidy resolution."
Spinal
09-06-2017, 10:01 PM
It's been really wonderful to see how many writers have rightfully acknowledged the series as a landmark and the ending, in particular, as a master stroke. What other show can inspire quotes like this?:
"It stopped feeling like a TV show to me, at some point, and started feeling like a gift." - Vox (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/6/16256352/twin-peaks-the-return-review-miniseries-showtime)
"The series is one of the great recent cinematic achievements; its ideas are profound; its effect is enduring ..." - The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/david-lynchs-haunted-finale-of-twin-peaks-the-return)
"We can start writing our think pieces now, and I’ll see you again in 25 years, when we still haven’t talked it all out yet." - The AV Club (http://www.avclub.com/twin-peaks-gave-us-a-moving-meditation-on-death-1800661325)
"We might not want every show to feature evil doppelgangers, talking kettles and sentient tree-blobs, but it's a wonderful thing that at least one does." - The Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/in-an-era-of-copycat-tv-twin-peaks-obliqueness-is-a-welcome-reprieve-20170905-gyaytq.html)
"In the end, it felt like a triumph. This season was a show unlike anything else on television, even its old self." - The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/twin-peaks-finale-baffling-discombobulating-inconclusive-brilliant-1.3211955)
"Lynch and Mark Frost never let an episode pass without a scene that rendered me dumbfounded at its ambition." - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/09/david-lynch-found-the-perfect-ending-for-twin-peaks/538818/)
"'I tried to catch up on it while I was doing some other stuff,' a friend recently told me of the new Twin Peaks. 'That’s what I do with most TV. It did not work.'" - Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2017/09/twin_peaks_the_return_s_finale _reviewed.html)
"Strangely, it’s almost a relief to encounter a show so steeped in darkness that it renders the fears of our common present more manageable." - The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16255670/twin-peaks-return-david-lynch-finale-review-showtime)
"[It] will likely hold an important place in the history of the development of television." - HuffPost UK (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/charlie-gearon/twin-peaks-the-return-fru_b_17911458.html)
Spinal
09-07-2017, 05:12 AM
What is the Experiment? Don't know
According to the Twin Peaks wiki (http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Judy), The Experiment and Judy are probably the same thing.
Spinal
09-07-2017, 07:42 PM
According to the Twin Peaks wiki (http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Judy), The Experiment and Judy are probably the same thing.
If you'll indulge me as I post yet another article, this breakdown (http://screenrant.com/twin-peaks-judy-identity-jowday-explained/) of the identity of evil in the new series is quite eye-opening. I can't believe how much I am still learning about this show.
Milky Joe
09-09-2017, 12:25 AM
So I wrote an article about the last two episodes. People are going nuts for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6yw0ky/s3e18_the_final_two_episodes_a re_meant_to_be/
Yxklyx
09-13-2017, 02:41 AM
So I wrote an article about the last two episodes. People are going nuts for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6yw0ky/s3e18_the_final_two_episodes_a re_meant_to_be/
Interesting theory - have not had a chance to see the series yet. Even if this is not really deliberate has something like this been done before?
Spinal
09-20-2017, 08:41 PM
I was reading this 2006 interview with David Lynch and was struck by a quote on the nature of evil. The context of the quote is really about Inland Empire. However, it inspired me to create this ...
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Spinal
09-24-2017, 11:00 PM
Now that I've seen The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane, the connection to Twin Peaks is abundantly clear. However, I'm still not sure why the evolution of The Arm would be referencing a Jodie Foster movie from the 70s. He seems like more of a Burt Reynolds kind of guy.
Milky Joe
09-30-2017, 07:32 PM
Interesting theory - have not had a chance to see the series yet. Even if this is not really deliberate has something like this been done before?
Well, the little community of folks I'm in do this kind of thing all the time, but the closest thing that's gained any mainstream traction would be John Fell Ryan's experiments with overlaying The Shining so that the film plays backwards on top of the film playing forwards (as shown in the documentary Room 237).
I was interviewed on this podcast about my article/theory btw, if anyone's interested: http://enterthevoid.fm/post/165875885452/twin-peaks-iii
Yxklyx
10-01-2017, 05:41 AM
Looks like the DVDs are coming out on Dec 5.
Henry Gale
10-24-2017, 06:05 PM
Finally caught up with everything in the series after having started a protracted re-watch in late May that was essential since I never finished the second season (unintentionally fell away with it years ago around the obvious point) or had seen Fire Walk With Me as a result.
I'm now finished Episode 16, and without reading the posts that came after the finale, I just wanted to pop into say I really enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and enthusiasm for it in here as I went along (cautiously reading every time-stamp). Nothing much more to add just yet that hasn't already largely been covered, other than I've found watching these episodes, especially so close together, a pretty fucking phenomenal experience.
I've always loved the universe of the series, and that even in the weaker stretches of its original incarnation it's more interesting than most things ever put on TV, but I think this season is it reaching a potential of it as a creation I never considered, and that's just blown me away. Obviously having Lynch & Frost so intimately involved every step of the way is essential, but there's also new avenues of themes, character evolution, universe expansion, visual and mythological elements, and entirely new emotions to come out of it as a result that all amount to a profoundly moving and beautifully confounding experience unlike any I've probably ever seen.
It feels like an unfiltered broadcast of a dream belonging to one of the greatest cinematic minds ever, somehow actualized as something of an 18-hour experimental film doled out on cable TV over the course of a summer. One of those cases where the fact that it even exists is a miracle, but also the even rarer occasion where there's even more wonder to extract from it even after getting over that.
Henry Gale
11-08-2017, 07:09 PM
Oh I finished it the day or so after my last post, and yeah, I still think about it daily.
Is it possible to still be collecting my thoughts? Equally wanting the story to end exactly there forever, but being tantalized by the prospect of it going further? Thinking that after everything the universe of this show has put us through, somehow leaving us in a dual place..
Also I love this:
So I wrote an article about the last two episodes. People are going nuts for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6yw0ky/s3e18_the_final_two_episodes_a re_meant_to_be/
I can't believe it isn't intentional, especially in the way the same screams echo out of the house to reach her ears to scream. But then again, it feels perfectly in line with the sort of free-flowing, instinctual presentation Lynch & Frost have created here that makes it seem like it probably just felt right to calibrate the two episodes (and especially the ending) that way, even if it wasn't deliberate.
But with those two finales (as I'll call them to better make my point), the idea that everything has essentially been severed, that Cooper is left with both possibilities, both of them removing the murder, but neither of them truly restoring Laura to her own life, as if there could truly be any resolution to that over 25 years on, is so heartbreaking and poignant, but also weirdly comforting and the closest thing to a happy ending this series could possibly offer? If he can save her from her fate, but he can't rid her from her demons if he's the one guiding her away from it, since it's his very inclusion in her story that restores the fact that she is gone.
My initial thought was that we'd never hear Laura's final whisper is to Cooper in the Lodge, but another part of me feels like we saw it instead.
Spinal
11-15-2017, 12:21 AM
Just finished The Final Dossier, and in case you were wondering, it is ESSENTIAL reading. Holy smokes!
Just finished The Final Dossier, and in case you were wondering, it is ESSENTIAL reading. Holy smokes!
And I've actually heard this from several people.
Spinal
11-15-2017, 05:22 PM
I will say that it clarified at least one character's journey and it turns out I was flat-out wrong.
Audrey
Spinal
11-28-2017, 07:40 PM
Interesting tidbit buried in this interview (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/twin-peaks-david-lynch-interview-1053029) with Lynch: all of the bands in the Roadhouse were shot in one day.
Milky Joe
11-28-2017, 11:12 PM
Wow, I thought the Final Dossier was the opposite of essential. It kind of actively made things worse—I'm gonna go ahead and ignore its existence entirely.
Yxklyx
12-20-2017, 12:50 PM
A Violent Yet Flammable World - what an amazing song!
Yxklyx
12-21-2017, 03:16 PM
Well, I'm not liking this season very much. There are some really good parts to it but for the most part it's not working for me. I've got 5 episodes to go - will post more thoughts after it's all over.
Yxklyx
12-23-2017, 01:46 AM
Well this ended extremely well! It's such a pity that it took so much mediocrity to get here. I'll give it a 5/10 for now, I'd probably like it a little more on second viewing... but I'm not going to revisit it anytime soon.
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