Oscars 2017

[Dukefrukem]

List incoming.

La La Land ties Titanic with 14 noms. Impressive.

BEST PICTURE
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight

DIRECTING
Denis Villeneuve, Arrival
Mel Gibson, Hacksaw Ridge
Damien Chazelle, La La Land
Kenneth Lonergan, Manchester by the Sea
Barry Jenkins, Moonlight

ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE
Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea
Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge
Ryan Gosling, La La Land
Viggo Mortensen, Captain Fantastic
Denzel Washington, Fences

ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Mahershala Ali, Moonlight
Jeff Bridges, Hell or High Water
Lucas Hedges, Manchester by the Sea
Dev Patel, Lion
Michael Shannon, Nocturnal Animals

ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Isabelle Huppert, Elle
Ruth Negga, Loving
Natalie Portman, Jackie
Emma Stone, La La Land
Meryl Streep, Florence Foster Jenkins

ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Viola Davis, Fences
Naomie Harris, Moonlight
Nicole Kidman, Lion
Octavia Spencer, Hidden Figures
Michelle Williams, Manchester by the Sea

ANIMATED FEATURE FILM
Kubo and the Two Strings
Moana
My Life as a Zucchini
The Red Turtle
Zootopia

CINEMATOGRAPHY
Arrival
La La Land
Lion
Moonlight
Silence

COSTUME DESIGN
Allied
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
Florence Foster Jenkins
Jackie
La La Land

DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
Fire at Sea
I Am Not Your Negro
Life, Animated
O.J.: Made in America
13th

DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
Extremis
4.1 Miles
Joe’s Violin
Watani: My Homeland
The White Helmets

ANIMATED SHORT FILM
Blind Vaysha
Borrowed Time
Pear Cider and Cigarettes
Pearl
Piper

LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM
Ennemis Intérieurs
La Femme et le TGV
Silent Nights
Sing
Timecode

FILM EDITING
Arrival
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
La La Land
Moonlight

FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
Land of Mine
A Man Called Ove
The Salesman
Tanna
Toni Erdmann

MAKEUP AND HAIRSTYLING
A Man Called Ove
Star Trek Beyond
Suicide Squad

ORIGINAL SCORE
Jackie
La La Land
Lion
Moonlight
Passengers

ORIGINAL SONG
Audition (The Fools Who Dream), La La Land
Can’t Stop The Feeling, Trolls
City Of Stars, La La Land
The Empty Chair, Jim: The James Foley Story
How Far I’ll Go, Moana

PRODUCTION DESIGN
Arrival
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
Hail, Caesar!
La La Land
Passengers

SOUND EDITING
Arrival
Deepwater Horizon
Hacksaw Ridge
La La Land
Sully

SOUND MIXING
Arrival
Hacksaw Ridge
La La Land
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

VISUAL EFFECTS
Deepwater Horizon
Doctor Strange
The Jungle Book
Kubo and the Two Strings
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Arrival
Fences
Hidden Figures
Lion
Moonlight

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Hell or High Water
La La Land
The Lobster
Manchester by the Sea
20th Century Women

[Dukefrukem]

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Best Picture
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight

[dreamdead]

Duke, I've got the list...

[Dukefrukem]

Excellent.

[dreamdead]

Well, there goes my hopes that Park Chan-wook's production team would get recognized after a decade of stellar design work. Also, Colin Ferrell got denied for Andrew Garfield: meh. Three or four other spots where The Lobster should have completed.

And hopefully Silence's lack of real nods doesn't lead to it disappearing from area theaters on Thursday--it's the one film I still want to see.

Michael Shannon finally getting his first nod is countered by John Goodman's continual denial for three decades of great character work.

[Watashi]

Shannon was nominated before for Revolutionary Road.

[Irish]

BEST PICTURE
Arrival
Hell or High Water

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Arrival

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Hell or High Water

Well, that's a serious what. the. fuck.

(Also, is this the first time Pixar had an eligible film that wasn't even nominated? I mean, shit, didn't even the Cars movies score noms?)

[DavidSeven]

Glad to see Villeneuve get in there.

[number8]

(Also, is this the first time Pixar had an eligible film that wasn't even nominated? I mean, shit, didn't even the Cars movies score noms?)

Nope, not the first time. They didn't get any noms in 2011 and 2013 because their only releases were Cars 2 and Monsters University, respectively.

Their star has definitely fallen significantly in the 2010s.

[[ETM]]

Lin-Manuel Miranda gets nominated for the "hero" song from Moana even though there are several better songs in the movie...

8 noms for Gibson, including Director... he's obviously back.

Good to see a Kubo nomination for Visual Effects, as well as Doctor Strange.

I wish Arrival would win everything, just so I can read Irish's rant afterwards. :D

[TGM]

No Deadpool? No thank you.

[Dead & Messed Up]

;566061']8 noms for Gibson, including Director... he's obviously back.

The real hero song is "Shiny."


Good to see a Kubo nomination for Visual Effects, as well as Doctor Strange.

Indeed.


I wish Arrival would win everything, just so I can read Irish's rant afterwards. :D

Indeed.

[Irish]

;566061']I wish Arrival would win everything, just so I can read Irish's rant afterwards. :D

Hah. A totally valid thing to wish for. If I weren't me, I'd wish for the same thing. :D

[number8]

The absence of "Equal Rights" in Best Song is a serious affront to me.

[Ivan Drago]

Congrats have to go out to Travis Barker's tattoo guy and the ICP's paint master for their makeup work on Suicide Squad.

Also, Popstar was robbed.

[Spinal]

I was going to try to see all the Best Picture nominees, but there is no way I'm sitting through Hacksaw Ridge, so never mind that. Maybe I'll try to see all the Best Foreign Film nominees instead.

[Morris Schæffer]

Elle missing from foreign films I didn't expect.

[number8]

I always enjoy how opinionated Constance Wu is.

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[Pop Trash]

Elle missing from foreign films I didn't expect.

It wasn't eligible for some reason. I think France may have put something else up for consideration instead. Huppert's nomination (and hopefully win) more than makes up for it, especially irt foreign language films being so ghettoized by award shows.

[Morris Schæffer]

It wasn't eligible for some reason. I think France may have put something else up for consideration instead. Huppert's nomination (and hopefully win) more than makes up for it, especially irt foreign language films being so ghettoized by award shows.

Yeah her nom is nice!

[Lazlo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCH4DNQBUA

Here's one of the short animated nominees. It's a VR film from the director of Feast. Pretty great little movie and neat to watch even as a 360 click-around to orient the camera experience. I wonder if my buddy with a PSVR can get this to work there.

[number8]

It's kinda funny that the documentary feature nominees are: 3 movies about being black in America, 1 movie about the migrant crisis, and 1 about a kid who loves Disney cartoons.

[Watashi]

That one movie about the Disney cartoons is pretty good though.

[Ezee E]

I like the surprise, out of nowhere nominations. Michael Shannon is really the only one.

Meryl Streep probably got more votes because of her Golden Globe speech than because of her performance.

I hope there's at least one big surprise in the major categories. Either Affleck or a La La Land loss. I think La La Land is more likely with the backlash it's gotten. More people will put it on the bottom of their list I feel.

[Watashi]

I'm predicting Gosling to upset Affleck.

[baby doll]

I'm predicting Gosling to upset Affleck......by telling him he never really considered him a friend.

[Morris Schæffer]

I was going to try to see all the Best Picture nominees, but there is no way I'm sitting through Hacksaw Ridge, so never mind that. Maybe I'll try to see all the Best Foreign Film nominees instead.

I can't choose for you, but this is likely the only chance you'll ever have of seeing Vince Vaughn as an army drill instructor. Something to think about. :D

[Spinal]

I can't choose for you, but this is likely the only chance you'll ever have of seeing Vince Vaughn as an army drill instructor. Something to think about. :D

That's a pretty good pitch. :)

[Morris Schæffer]

That's a pretty good pitch. :)

"In a land of drill instructors..."
"This autumn Paramount Pictures invites you to discover the thrill of the drill!"

[transmogrifier]

I'm predicting Gosling to upset Affleck.

Of all the undeserving wins that LLL is going to walk away with, that would be the second most undeserving after the wretched screenplay.

[Watashi]

I'm not saying Gosling will deserve it. I just think Casey Affleck's recent sexual/verbal assault will catch up to him. I think Denzel could win too, but I forsee a La La Train train of awards.

[number8]

It's probably gonna be Denzel anyway (it seems like that kind of performance), but I thought Gosling was terrific. I agree with what Film Crit Hulk wrote about him in his La La Land piece:


When the fuck did Ryan Gosling get this good?

I keep asking myself that this year. His performances in The Nice Guys and La La Land are so insanely perfect that I'm mostly confused. After years in the kid actor trade he transition into the hot young stud with The Notebook, but quickly moved into the weird indie darling who did this weird baby voiced thing, but clearly had raw talent. And he was trying SO DAMN HARD in Half Nelson and Blue Valentine that it was hard not to notice the devotion. But then his hyper sweet and stupid aura weirdly started clicking for folks in Drive, all before getting misapplied again in a few other movies I won't mention. But suddenly it feels like Gosling's unlocked his incredible adult form. He's unleashed this perfect mix of effortless physical comedy and has a dead-pan blank stare for the ages, even some near perfect comic timing. It's like... How? I mean, the cool thing about this is he's still very much the same guy he always was. Did he just work at it until it was right? Did he just strip away the artifice and slowly become the best version of himself? Whatever it is, he's now a guy who slides into a movie so effortlessly and confidentially that it almost feels like magic.

I'm convinced 60% of the moments in this movie work solely through Gosling's sheer magnetism. With him, the movie's tone even feels correct. He underplays against the big ironic artifice, so he also captures its sense of irony. Meanwhile, Stone's commitment as the authentic charismatic go-getter can't help but feel strange in a movie whose very language is steeped in ironic enthusiasm.

It's a little weird that people aren't talking more about his comic timing in the film. I've seen almost no reviews mention the running gag of his character being easily startled.

Gosling's getting a lot of love in the Refn archetypes he's fallen into, but I think his calling might be comedies. Between these two films and his SNL performance, I'm getting used to seeing him as a very good comic actor.

[Spinal]

Of all the undeserving wins that LLL is going to walk away with, that would be the second most undeserving after the wretched screenplay.

The other one I really don't get (you know, aside from Best Picture) is Costume Design. But yeah, that screenplay is bad.

If Gosling won, and that was the only award the film got, I actually wouldn't mind it. I thought he did very good work.

[transmogrifier]

It's probably gonna be Denzel anyway (it seems like that kind of performance), but I thought Gosling was terrific. I agree with what Film Crit Hulk wrote about him in his La La Land piece:


That was part of my issue - he's so much better in The Nice Guys. His La La Land character is kind of wan, especially in the second half.

[Ezee E]

Some media outlets tried to play up Affleck's past but seems like it didn't go anywhere. If anything, Affleck's bored approach is what will get people to vote elsewhere. Kind of surprised that there's no backlash on his performance as it's basically like any other Casey Affleck performance. Certainly not a standout to me at least.

[Skitch]

Question: Does an assload of noms for a movie (like La La Land) hurt its chances at losing at best pic?

I feel it it does, when in a year with decent competition.

[transmogrifier]

Nah, it'll win.

[Spinal]

I feel like Moonlight is the only other thing that has a chance and it doesn't have much of one.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Yeah, I think it's gonna win.

[number8]

I feel like Moonlight is the only other thing that has a chance and it doesn't have much of one.

Knowing Oscar voters' taste, I think Manchester by the Sea has the better chance of an upset than Moonlight.

[Ezee E]

Knowing Oscar voters' taste, I think Manchester by the Sea has the better chance of an upset than Moonlight.

I would be stunned since Manchester has really nothing that Oscar voters have voted for over the last few decades really.

[Spinal]

Did you know that the Oscars still have a category called Best Original Musical (https://web.archive.org/web/20140407131246/http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawards/rules/rule15.html)?


The Academy Award for Best Original Musical (formerly known as "Scoring of a Musical Picture", "Best Original Song Score and Adaptation Score" and "Best Original Song Score") is a category still in the Academy rulebooks, but cannot be awarded unless "the field of eligible submissions is determined to be of sufficient quantity and quality to justify award competition."

...

This award has never been presented under its current name. The last time Best Original Song Score was awarded was at the 57th Academy Awards ceremony (1984) to Purple Rain.

[Ezee E]

I think Animated Movies have a similar stipulation. Sometimes why they only have three nominations (I think).

[Winston*]

I4 feel like Moonlight is the only other thing that has a chance and it doesn't have much of one.

Moonlight is the infinitely better film IMO so it's a little sad.

[Morris Schæffer]

Oscar-nominated director Asghar Farhadi is banned from entering the USA due to Trump's latest decreet and will therefore not be able to attend the Oscars.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Wut? That can't be real.

EDIT: Wow. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/01/28/trump-visa-ban-stops-iranian-filmmaker-asghar-farhadi-going-oscars/97183138/)

[baby doll]

Oscar-nominated director Asghar Farhadi is banned from entering the USA due to Trump's latest decreet and will therefore not be able to attend the Oscars.On the bright side, now he's definitely going to win.

[number8]

Yeah that occurred to me. Small consolation but that's a hell of a lock.

[Spinal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvblRXwWVo

[Ezee E]

Nice find Spinal.

What a year for 1962 in cinematography.

I feel like color didn't have a leg up on B&W until the late 50's, with a few exceptions.

[origami_mustache]

I really liked 20th Century Women and am a little bummed about Annette Bening not getting a nomination, but also I don't really care and don't think I can bring myself to watch La La Land.

[number8]

Went to see the live action shorts last night. One of them, "Silent Nights," is one of the worst things I've ever seen. I was gagging throughout. Every year there's always one issue driven short that's wildly tone deaf as it's trying to lecture people, but this one is just particularly awful.

[Ivan Drago]

Went to see the live action shorts last night. One of them, "Silent Nights," is one of the worst things I've ever seen. I was gagging throughout. Every year there's always one issue driven short that's wildly tone deaf as it's trying to lecture people, but this one is just particularly awful.

Yeah, Indiewire is predicting that one as the frontrunner, but it's melodramatic as hell.

My favorites were Enemies Within and Timecode, with The Woman and the TGV not far behind it.

EDIT: I keep going back and forth on the last two.

[Lazlo]

I thought The Woman and the TGV was bad. Haven't seen any of the others yet.

[number8]

I'm definitely rooting for Timecode. Enemies Within is very well done and superbly acted, but hits all the expected notes, both in messaging and structure. If you've seen a few of that type of interrogation-based two-man plays, it follows the typical trajectory of that Sidney Lumet style winner-loser reversals all the way to the end.

Timecode is delightfully weird and joyous not just in premise, but also in how it escalates and leaves off. Love the final line.

[Dukefrukem]

Here are my choices so far.


BEST PICTURE
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight

DIRECTING
Denis Villeneuve, Arrival
Mel Gibson, Hacksaw Ridge
Damien Chazelle, La La Land
Kenneth Lonergan, Manchester by the Sea
Barry Jenkins, Moonlight

ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE
Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea
Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge
Ryan Gosling, La La Land
Viggo Mortensen, Captain Fantastic
Denzel Washington, Fences

ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Mahershala Ali, Moonlight
Jeff Bridges, Hell or High Water
Lucas Hedges, Manchester by the Sea
Dev Patel, Lion
Michael Shannon, Nocturnal Animals

ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Isabelle Huppert, Elle
Ruth Negga, Loving
Natalie Portman, Jackie
Emma Stone, La La Land
Meryl Streep, Florence Foster Jenkins

ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Viola Davis, Fences
Naomie Harris, Moonlight
Nicole Kidman, Lion
Octavia Spencer, Hidden Figures
Michelle Williams, Manchester by the Sea

ANIMATED FEATURE FILM
Kubo and the Two Strings
Moana
My Life as a Zucchini
The Red Turtle
Zootopia

CINEMATOGRAPHY
Arrival
La La Land <---- AWFUL lighting in this film. Bette not win.
Lion
Moonlight
Silence

COSTUME DESIGN
Allied
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
Florence Foster Jenkins
Jackie
La La Land

FILM EDITING
Arrival
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
La La Land
Moonlight

MAKEUP AND HAIRSTYLING
A Man Called Ove
Star Trek Beyond
Suicide Squad

ORIGINAL SCORE
Jackie
La La Land
Lion
Moonlight
Passengers

ORIGINAL SONG
Audition (The Fools Who Dream), La La Land
Can’t Stop The Feeling, Trolls
City Of Stars, La La Land
The Empty Chair, Jim: The James Foley Story
How Far I’ll Go, Moana

PRODUCTION DESIGN
Arrival
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
Hail, Caesar!
La La Land
Passengers

SOUND EDITING
Arrival
Deepwater Horizon
Hacksaw Ridge
La La Land
Sully

SOUND MIXING
Arrival
Hacksaw Ridge <--- Anyone read about this guy? Kevin O'Connell?
La La Land
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

VISUAL EFFECTS
Deepwater Horizon
Doctor Strange
The Jungle Book
Kubo and the Two Strings
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Arrival
Fences
Hidden Figures
Lion
Moonlight

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Hell or High Water
La La Land
The Lobster
Manchester by the Sea
20th Century Women

[Ezee E]

La La Land winning only 5 awards would be the biggest Oscar surprise ever.

I expect it to win a minimum of eight. BUT I do predict Moonlight to win Best Picture because of the whole "ranked" approach.

[TGM]

Awful lighting in La La Land? Wut? o.O

[transmogrifier]

With each passing year, I care less and less about these things. It's awesome.

[Dukefrukem]

Awful lighting in La La Land? Wut? o.O

Yup. The opening scene especially, as great as it was on a choreography level, had terrible lighting. I guess that's what you get when you use natural sunlight. But one minute, everyone has shadows on their faces, the camera spins around, and everything is bright. It's obnoxious.

Also, the film flipflops back and forth between Singing in the Rain tones and In Follows tones. It's bizarre. Sometimes it looks like a horror movie (the entire scene and song where Emma Stone's friends are convincing her to go out and party and their dancing in the street and shit).

Bad lighting
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[Ezee E]

I think the Costume nom is the oddest one. The actresses are all wearing different colored modern dresses. NOMINATION.

Meanwhile movies with heavy details in their costumes like Rogue One, Silence, Hacksaw Ridge... Overlooked.

[Winston*]

No need to fight. I think we can all agree that La La Land is not a good movie and doesn't deserve to win anything.

[Dukefrukem]

Relevant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO37JEW9GMM

[Irish]

If you hear a long, plaintive wail during the ceremony, that will be me as Eric Heisserer wins Best Fucking Adapted for Arrival.

(Otherwise, it looks more and more likely that La La Land will win everything else.)

[Spinal]

Personally, I think Arrival is probably the least likely to win that category. I could make a case for any of the others, but I have a hard time imagining a scenario in which that one wins.

[Irish]

Arrival won the WGA for Adapted.

Plus, there's the Irish Rule for the Oscars: Any movie that (1) I don't like and (2) is nominated for a writing award will (3) undoubtably win its category.

This has happened so often over the last 10 years that I'm convinced it's God's little way of fucking with me.

[Spinal]

Arrival won the WGA for Adapted.


Did it really?! Well there you go. There's the case for it.

I'm thinking Lion as a dark horse, as it's not just writers voting and the Academy tends to favor straightforward, heart-tugging emotion.

[Ezee E]

PICTURE - Moonlight
*La La Land takedown has been running since December. It works with the ranked system.

DIRECTOR - Damian Chazelle
*With that, La La Land cleans up in nearly everything else since it's a normal ballot after that.

ACTOR - Denzel Washington
ACTRESS - Emma Stone
SUPPORTING ACTOR - Dev Patel
SUPPORTING ACTRESS - Viola Davis
*Supporting noms that are actually leads take the win.

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY - Manchester by the Sea
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY - Moonlight

COSTUME DESIGN - Jackie
SOUND MIXING - Hacksaw Ridge
MAKEUP - Star Trek: Beyond
VISUAL EFFECTS - The Jungle Book

EDITING - La La Land
PRODUCTION DESIGN - La La Land
SOUND EDITING - La La Land
SONG - "City of Stars" La La Land
SCORE - La La Land
CINEMATOGRAPHY - La La Land

ANIMATED - Kubo and the Two Strings
FOREIGN FILM - The Salesman
DOCUMENTARY - OJ Simpson: Made in America
SHORT DOC -
SHORT FILM -
SHORT ANIMATED -

I'll edit with shorts soon.

[Ezee E]

If my predictions pan out, this will be a BORING show.

[Watashi]

La La Land sweeps all except Best Actor.

[Spinal]

If my predictions pan out, this will be a BORING show.

Between Kimmel, Trump speeches, patting themselves on the back for increased diversity and the inevitable La La Land sweep, I'm not sure this one will be much fun.

[Ezee E]

Between Kimmel, Trump speeches, patting themselves on the back for increased diversity and the inevitable La La Land sweep, I'm not sure this one will be much fun.

The Trump speeches are going to make this horrible I think.

Curious what Kimmel will do. Hopefully there's at least a good filmed bit at the beginning and one solid Damon joke.

[Watashi]

I forgot Kimmel was doing this. Ugh. At least it's not Fallon.

[Peng]

Speeches in SGA awards are pretty good, but I can see adjusting from an all-actors award show to Oscar being not as fiery or entertainingly enthusiastic.

[Dukefrukem]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/la-street-artist-targets-oscars-mocking-posters-hollywood-highland-979443

[number8]

Judging by the comments, that article must have been linked to by the anus parts of the internet somewhere.

[Irish]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/la-street-artist-targets-oscars-mocking-posters-hollywood-highland-979443

I really like the juxtaposition of the True Romance quote and the Oscar statuette ... but does this artist know that Tarantino wad awarded Best Screenplay .. twice?

The RedBox thing, otoh, is just half clever.

[TGM]

I have to work tonight, so I won't be able to watch the Oscars this year. Gonna have to see the results after the fact. But in any event, now that I've given all the movies time to properly settle, here's how I'd rank the Best Picture nominees:

1. La La Land
2. Manchester by the Sea
3. Moonlight
4. Hacksaw Ridge
5. Hell or High Water
6. Arrival
7. Fences
8. Hidden Figures
9. Lion

[Lazlo]

La La Land > Fences > Arrival > Manchester By the Sea > Moonlight > Hell or High Water > Hacksaw Ridge > Lion > Hidden Figures

[Peng]

1. Manchester by the Sea
2. La La Land
3. Moonlight
4. Arrival
5. Hell or High Water
6. Fences
7. Hidden Figures
8. Hacksaw Ridge
9. Lion

[Spinal]

1. Arrival
2. Moonlight
3. Hell or High Water
4. Lion
5. Manchester By the Sea
6. Hidden Figures
7. La La Land

[Dukefrukem]

1. Moonlight
2. Hell or High Water
3. Manchester by the Sea
4. La La Land
5. Fences
6. Hacksaw Ridge
7. Hidden Figures
8. Arrival
9. Lion

[Ivan Drago]

1. Moonlight
2. La La Land
3. Manchester By The Sea
4. Arrival
5. Hell or High Water
6. Hacksaw Ridge
7. Fences
8. Hidden Figures
9. Lion

[Stay Puft]

1. Moonlight
2. Hidden Figures

I didn't see anything else. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Winston*]

1 Moonlight
2 Arrival
3 Hell or High Water
4 Hidden Figures
5 La La Land

Want to see Manchester by the Sea and Fences. Will never see Hacksaw Ridge.

[Idioteque Stalker]

1. Manchester By the Sea
2. Moonlight
3. Arrival
4. La La Land
5. Hell or High Water
6. Fences
7. Hacksaw Ridge

[Irish]

I'm ambivalent about most of the major awards. I think most of the best pictures are sorta alright. Solid movies but I wouldn't tell anybody to rush out and see any of them. (I'm also pretending, for the sake of my own sanity, that Hell and High Water and Arrival weren't nominated in this category).

But: I would like to see Viola Davis win and Eric Heisserer lose.

And I'm rooting for the sound mixer who has been nominated 23 times and never won.

[Dukefrukem]

And I'm rooting for the sound mixer who has been nominated 23 times and never won.

This. It's really the only thing i'm looking forward to.

[dreamdead]

1. Manchester By The Sea
2. Moonlight
3. Arrival
4. La La Land

[Skitch]

Having not seen most of the nominees, I'm most passionate about Dr. Strange winning for effects. Sitting in the theater (not even knowing it was nominated) I said to myself it absolutely deserves to win.

[MadMan]

I've only seen Arrival, Hell or High Water and Manchester By The Sea for the Best Picture Nominees. Still tunning in of course.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Did Mel Gibson kill his wife and replace her with his daughter?

[transmogrifier]

1. Manchester by the Sea - 72
2. Hell or High Water - 65
3. Hacksaw Ridge - 63
4. Arrival - 63
5. La La Land - 48

Underwhelming year.

[Dukefrukem]

Big goose egg for La La Land so far. :)

[Dead & Messed Up]

Academy Award Winner Suicide Squad.

It's a terrible choice, but it's also hilarious. Fucking Suicide Squad. Yes, absolutely. The fanboy anger will make it all worth it.

[Neclord]

Why isn't Star Trek Beyond one of the bp noms

[Winston*]

I don't like that Mel Gibson's movie is winning things.

[Dead & Messed Up]

I don't like that Mel Gibson's movie is winning things.

I'm taking it as a brilliant head game by those Hollywood Jews.

[Neclord]

The battle scenes that are the only footage from the movie I guess look like a parody of a war movie

[baby doll]

I don't like that Mel Gibson's movie is winning things.He may be a racist, anti-Semitic wife-beater in real life, but on screen he's magic.

[Idioteque Stalker]

That playing Matt Damon off the stage bit was so funny.

[Peng]

These screenplay wins are awesome.

[Neclord]

Holy shit you guys

[amberlita]

Wow. What a clusterfuck.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Un fucking believable

[Morris Schæffer]

...

[transmogrifier]

I was wondering what you guys were talking about. How weird. Haven't seen Moonlight, so don't know whether it is a good thing or not.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Best best picture winner since Amadeus.

[Stay Puft]

Kevin O'Connell finally got an Oscar, tho.

[Watashi]

I want to nominate this year's Oscars for Best Picture next year.

[TGM]

Damn, so close to having my favorite movie of the year actually win Best Picture. What a clusterfuck finish...

Anyways, while there were some questionable wins among the technical categories (Suicide Squad? Really?), I was pleased by most of the "bigger" awards outcomes. I'm actually surprised that all of my picks for the acting categories actually won, that almost never happens. And Damien Chazelle for Best Director is nice, too. The wrong song from La La Land won, though.

[transmogrifier]

Watching the video, you can't help but feel bad for all the LLL people up on stage. That said, there is not really much else to do except fire whoever fucked up and go on with your lives, because shit happens sometimes.

[Watashi]

They seemed pretty humble about it.

Besides the flub, this has to be the biggest upset for Best Picture since 2005, right?

[transmogrifier]

Imagine if it had happened the other way!

[Ivan Drago]

I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY RIGHT NOW GUYS YOU HAVE NO IDEA

[amberlita]

I would give anything for some grainy cell phone footage of the pandemonium that must have occurred backstage when they read the wrong winner.

I don't even feel bad for anybody. Like, anybody.

[transmogrifier]

2015 - Spotlight - 57
2014 - Birdman - 55
2013 - 12 Years a Slave - 62
2012 - Argo - 68
2011 - The Artist - na
2010 - The King's Speech - na
2009 - The Hurt Locker - 66
2008 - Slumdog Millionaire - 58
2007 - No Country for Old Men - 65
2006 - The Departed - 78

So I had to go back 10 years to find a Best Picture winner I unreservedly like.

[Ezee E]

PICTURE - Moonlight
*La La Land takedown has been running since December. It works with the ranked system.

DIRECTOR - Damian Chazelle
*With that, La La Land cleans up in nearly everything else since it's a normal ballot after that.

ACTOR - Denzel Washington
ACTRESS - Emma Stone
SUPPORTING ACTOR - Dev Patel
SUPPORTING ACTRESS - Viola Davis
*Supporting noms that are actually leads take the win.

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY - Manchester by the Sea
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY - Moonlight

COSTUME DESIGN - Jackie
SOUND MIXING - Hacksaw Ridge
MAKEUP - Star Trek: Beyond
VISUAL EFFECTS - The Jungle Book

EDITING - La La Land
PRODUCTION DESIGN - La La Land
SOUND EDITING - La La Land
SONG - "City of Stars" La La Land
SCORE - La La Land
CINEMATOGRAPHY - La La Land

ANIMATED - Kubo and the Two Strings
FOREIGN FILM - The Salesman
DOCUMENTARY - OJ Simpson: Made in America
SHORT DOC -
SHORT FILM -
SHORT ANIMATED -

I'll edit with shorts soon.

For what it's worth, I got The White Helmets and the Animated Short right too.

[number8]

Best Oscars ever.

[Spinal]

I take back what I said about Kimmel. He did great.

[Ezee E]

So... Any chance that the La La Land team remains gracious about this all the way through, or will there be some type of lawsuit soon?

The producer that handed it off did it in the best way possible. Loved that.

[Stay Puft]

I had this on in the background (and only during the latter half, at that) and was in and out of the room, so I only saw the aftermath live (Barry Jenkins holding his hand over his mouth, etc.). I just went back to watch the whole thing and goddamn what a mess. I had no idea they let the La La Land producers talk for so long. Props to Horowitz for jumping on that and course correcting so fast. What a disaster.

[Morris Schæffer]

Seems Gosling is actually playing the piano himself in La La Land. That's amazing. He had 3 months of intensive practice it seems.

[Dukefrukem]

I went 14 for 24 last night on the Oscar Challenge page.

Love that Moonlight won.

Bringing in the people from the tour was a disaster bit.

[number8]

Horowitz handled it really, really well. Beatty tried to explain it wasn't his fault, Kimmel didn't know what to do, but Horowitz just said, no, Moonlight, you won, get up here, I'm happy for you. It turned an awkward moment into a pretty great twist ending.

[number8]

This is also amazing: http://on.today.com/2m2BCRt

[Dukefrukem]

Better than the Oscars

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spirit-awards-2017-opening-monologue-nick-kroll-john-mulaney-roast-steve-bannon-donald-trump-97?utm_source=Direct

[Dukefrukem]

This is also amazing: http://on.today.com/2m2BCRt

Oof. What did the Oscar producers get that from Facebook?

[Grouchy]

I completely forgot they were on. That mistake is just awesome.

[Spinal]

I take back what I said about Kimmel. He did great.

Shouldn't have lifted Sunny Pawar though. Not sure what the point of that was and it was a belittling moment for someone who gave one of the year's best performances.

Oh, and also, what's the point of drawing attention to movies that you haven't seen? They finally get Isabelle Huppert there, one of the best performers in the world, and the best he can say is "we didn't see your movie"?

[Idioteque Stalker]

Oh, and also, what's the point of drawing attention to movies that you haven't seen? They finally get Isabelle Huppert there, one of the best performers in the world, and the best he can say is "we didn't see your movie"?

Agreed. He also made that same joke three times in a row with Great Wall and Captain Fantastic.

[Sycophant]

I'm surprised at the mounting positive consensus on Kimmel. Which feels especially odd, cause I've always tended to see hosts more charitably.

[Spinal]

The only host I ever remember bothering me was Whoopi Goldberg.

[Sycophant]

I think one of my big problems was I just remained completely unmoved by the Kimmel-Damon thing.

[Winston*]

The only host I ever remember bothering me was Whoopi Goldberg.

Franco and Hathaway?

[Winston*]

Better than the Oscars

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spirit-awards-2017-opening-monologue-nick-kroll-john-mulaney-roast-steve-bannon-donald-trump-97?utm_source=Direct

Was so good. Should get them to host the Oscars next year.

"He looks like if Nick Offerman drowned".

[Dukefrukem]

Franco and Hathaway?

Loved them.

[Spinal]

Franco and Hathaway?

Well, it wasn't great. But I also wasn't actively annoyed.

[Spinal]

More details (http://www.spin.com/2017/02/pwc-accountant-tweeted-backstage-photo-of-emma-stone-three-minutes-before-fucking-up-the-oscars/) about the Best Picture mixup last night.

[Winston*]

Loved them.

You are insane.

[Ezee E]

Yeah, I don't get the Kimmel love at all.

The one I've enjoyed the most was Billy Crystal and David Letterman. Maybe because of their filmed bits of movies.

He hadn't seen majority of the movies, seemed insulting to celebs that weren't top caliber, the Lion King bit was just weird, and he had no idea how to handle the Best Picture situation.

Find someone that will actually respect the movies, can have fun without insult, and interact well.

I've seen some "Oscar bits" with Patton Oswalt, and while I don't think he's the funniest of comedians, I think he'd be a terrific host.

[Winston*]

Conan would be good. Easily the best current late night host. Would've handled that situation better.

[Skitch]

Jason Mantzoukas.

[Neclord]

I've been pining for Conan to host ever since he moved out for the Tonight Show.

[Irish]

I thought that was the most entertaining telecast in years. Kimmel was terrific. Loved the opening number with Timberlake. Liked the bit where they dropped candy in little parachutes, which was nicely whimsical.

The bad parts: Whenever they turned the Oscars into a 4 hour version of Kimmel's nightly show. The "mean tweets" and "tourist bus" segments were plain bad, and had no place at the Academy Awards. Likewise the repeated "nobody saw your movie" jokes, which were mean-spirited.

The Damon thing was funny, but they leaned on it too hard. I did like that the announcer said "Ben Affleck and guest" and that the orchestra tried to play off Damon when he was presenting. That was funny as hell. Likewise when Damon tried to trip Kimmel coming down the aisle. The rest of it, I coulda done without.

The good parts: When they did the "who inspired me segments" (all two of them), and they had that person present with the actor that inspired them. That was special. I wish they left room for more of those instead of the "Kimmel Show" stuff.

Also, the segment where they had people in non-English languages talking about why they love movies. I thought that was incredible, and nicely subtle, and I wish they had kept that up too. It was a strong reminder, to me, about what's great about the form and why people go to the theater and keep going.

The ending was fucked up. That's gotta be the biggest gaffe ever, right? It's gonna fuel a lot of conspiracy theories, especially since the whitest movie of the year lost to the blackest movie of the year.

[Spinal]

I'd like Sarah Silverman as host. She improvises well and appreciates movies.

[Spinal]

There were three tributes ...

Maclaine and Theron
Fox and Rogen
Streep and Bardem

[MadMan]

2015 - Spotlight - 57
2014 - Birdman - 55
2013 - 12 Years a Slave - 62
2012 - Argo - 68
2011 - The Artist - na
2010 - The King's Speech - na
2009 - The Hurt Locker - 66
2008 - Slumdog Millionaire - 58
2007 - No Country for Old Men - 65
2006 - The Departed - 78

So I had to go back 10 years to find a Best Picture winner I unreservedly like.

I haven't seen 2015, 2010 or 2013 winners. Out of the ones listed none are my #1 of their respective year. The Departed and Birdman are tops as is No Country. The Hurt Locker and The Artist are ones I find great but wouldn't be my picks to win for their respective years. Argo is near great but isn't in my Top 5 for 2012, and if it is I am behind for that year. Slumdog doesn't even crack my Top 15 for 2008.

[MadMan]

The tributes were great. The ending was a glorious mess. I thought that Kimmel did a fine job, and the awards run long every year. Also hurray for Jackie Chan getting an Honorary Oscar.

[MadMan]

There were three tributes ...

Maclaine and Theron
Fox and Rogen
Streep and Bardem
Damon and Kimmel

[Watashi]

This is a good read: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/02/27/whats-in-a-name-on-kimmels-casual-racism

I immediately cringed at these two jokes.

[transmogrifier]

I always thought Megan Fox was an inspiration. Surprised it was Seth Rogen she inspired though.

[number8]

This is a good read: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/02/27/whats-in-a-name-on-kimmels-casual-racism

I immediately cringed at these two jokes.

Here's a good Code Switch episode about this, offering different perspectives on it. (http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/08/10/489451158/comics-maz-jobrani-and-aparna-nancherla-on-their-difficult-names-episode-12)

[Ezee E]

Yeah, the mini-tributes that led into the presenters was really cool.

Doing something like that, and some mixing of what people thought was special about movies from this year would be cool.

What better way to get people to see Elle then have someone like Emma Stone talk about how much she liked her in it? *Assuming she did, if not, skip to say, Brie Larson, etc*

Majority of the movies were hardly blockbusters, so any further exposure would've been cool.

This year was just very "message-y" as predicted, but hardly anything that would change an opinion.

[Sycophant]

The good parts: When they did the "who inspired me segments" (all two of them), and they had that person present with the actor that inspired them. That was special. I wish they left room for more of those instead of the "Kimmel Show" stuff.

Also, the segment where they had people in non-English languages talking about why they love movies. I thought that was incredible, and nicely subtle, and I wish they had kept that up too. It was a strong reminder, to me, about what's great about the form and why people go to the theater and keep going.

Yeah, I liked both of these segments a lot. More of this kind of hooray for movies type stuff about how movies connect with people than the usual boring, self-aggrandizing montages, please.

[Sycophant]

Sarah Silverman would be great.

It might be too much for such an Oscars fanboy, but I'd love to see Billy Eichner get a crack at it. And/or Julie Klausner, come to think of it.

[baby doll]

2015 - Spotlight - 57
2014 - Birdman - 55
2013 - 12 Years a Slave - 62
2012 - Argo - 68
2011 - The Artist - na
2010 - The King's Speech - na
2009 - The Hurt Locker - 66
2008 - Slumdog Millionaire - 58
2007 - No Country for Old Men - 65
2006 - The Departed - 78

So I had to go back 10 years to find a Best Picture winner I unreservedly like.

Spotlight: haven't seen it and don't feel particularly deprived
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance): entertaining but probably wouldn't watch it again; I prefer Amores perros (or at least I remember liking it fifteen years ago)
12 Years a Slave: gripping but probably wouldn't watch it again; I prefer Hunger
Argo: haven't seen it and don't feel particularly deprived, even though I'm a big fan of Gone Baby Gone
The Artist: mediocre
The King's Speech: mediocre
The Hurt Locker: gripping and entertaining but I can't say I've ever been very curious to see it again
Slumdog Millionaire: conceivably Danny Boyle's worst movie; I prefer Trainspotting, notwithstanding the lame ending
No Country for Old Men: a respectable best picture winner (I've seen it twice and it holds up pretty well), notwithstanding the pretentious jive which I blame on McCarthy more than the Coens
The Departed: a bloated mess that collapses into self-parody; an all-around embarrassment; just thinking about it makes me wish Jack Nicholson would stay retired

[amberlita]

Agreed that the best segment of the evening was the montage of non-English speakers talking about their favorite films. If you're going to connect real people to Hollywood that's a hell of a lot better than trotting out a group of them to be snickered at. Plus it had the best cue of the entire evening (Young Frankenstein). They expanded the number of BP nominees supposedly to allow for better reflection of the movies people actually go to see but allowing time in the broadcast to actually let real people talk about movies is a much better tact; though I slightly dread anything that encourages Hollywood to be even more self-important than it already is.

[Peng]

Surprised to see no one mentions Steve Martin yet; he is my favorite for sure. Also surprised to see dislike of Whoopi Goldberg since I found her pretty fun (never see anything else by her outsides them though except the first Sister Act).

Like many, the last time Best Pic synched up with my favorite film of the year is The Departed, although 12 Years a Slave came awfully close.

[Morris Schæffer]

The Damon thing was funny, but they leaned on it too hard. I did like that the announcer said "Ben Affleck and guest" and that the orchestra tried to play off Damon when he was presenting. That was funny as hell. Likewise when Damon tried to trip Kimmel coming down the aisle. The rest of it, I coulda done without.



Yep, I liked Kimmel although I never understand why hosts should be so scrutinized. Do they write the material they say? Because then I would understand.

By the way, what did you think of the "We Bought a Zoo" joke? I thought it was funny also.

[number8]

It might be too much for such an Oscars fanboy, but I'd love to see Billy Eichner get a crack at it. And/or Julie Klausner, come to think of it.

Ohhh man, the Oscars won't fucking do it, but I can see an Eichner/Klausner combo doing Golden Globes. That would be incredible.

[number8]

Yep, I liked Kimmel although I never understand why hosts should be so scrutinized. Do they write the material they say? Because then I would understand.

Yes.

[number8]

More details (http://www.spin.com/2017/02/pwc-accountant-tweeted-backstage-photo-of-emma-stone-three-minutes-before-fucking-up-the-oscars/) about the Best Picture mixup last night.

Even more details (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-how-an-accountants-tweet-turned-biggest-mistake-academy-history-981276). This makes it seem more embarrassing than it appeared on TV.

[Spinal]

Even more details (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-how-an-accountants-tweet-turned-biggest-mistake-academy-history-981276). This makes it seem more embarrassing than it appeared on TV.

Hindsight is 20/20 and all, but it's mind-boggling to me that they use 2 sets of envelopes. I imagine there's a reason for it, like, there's last minute changes to the flow of presenters, etc. (The article does hint at that.) But it just seems like asking for trouble.

[number8]

I disagree, I think having a backup copy of everything is always good when you're running an event. It's not like the category isn't labeled on the envelopes. The trick is to employ a person who actually pays attention to literally his only job that night.

[Dukefrukem]

I still feel Beatty and Dunaway were dumbasses and should have known AND saved the event. Read the fucking front of the card you simpletons.

[Winston*]

I think it was hilarious and I'm glad it happened.

[Spinal]

I still feel Beatty and Dunaway were dumbasses and should have known AND saved the event. Read the fucking front of the card you simpletons.

They're in their late 70s. I'm gonna give them a pass on this one.

[number8]

Rewatching the clip is fascinating. Beatty saw that it was the wrong card immediately and then searched the envelope again twice to see if the right card is in it. He didn't want to read it, and was clearly showing the card to Dunaway to tell her that they got the wrong card because she was telling him to hurry up and read it, but Dunaway just saw "La La Land" written on it and blurted it out. You can hear in the broadcast that under the cheers, Beatty immediately said, "No, it says Emma Stone!" and Dunaway replied, "What?"

[Spinal]

I think it was hilarious and I'm glad it happened.

They're really lucky it didn't happen in reverse.

[Winston*]

They're really lucky it didn't happen in reverse.

That would have been bad for numerous reasons. This way it's like a happy twist ending.

[Idioteque Stalker]

If actor had followed actress then I guess Manchester by the Sea would've won for a minute, and everybody would've been like... wtf?

[Henry Gale]

If actor had followed actress then I guess Manchester by the Sea would've won for a minute, and everybody would've been like... wtf?

Another really good point made was that if anyone else other than Stone had happened to win Best Actress, then none of Jackie, Elle, Loving and Florence Foster Jenkins were even nominated for Best Picture to have things play out similarly at all.

[transmogrifier]

Well, they had a good chance of getting away with it if the pre-awards odds had played out. I bet for those first couple of speeches Beatty thought he was in the clear....

[Ezee E]

Haha. I watched it like Beatty was like, "I'm not going to be the dumbass, I'll put it on Faye."

Then he probably felt bad and decided to come forward.

Has Faye been talked to afterwards? She was nowhere to be seen.

[Irish]

PICTURE - Moonlight
*La La Land takedown has been running since December. It works with the ranked system.

Feel the need to point out that, unlike a lot of Oscar pundits at professional pubs, Ezee correctly predicted the Best Picture winner. That's pretty ace.

[number8]

Haha. I watched it like Beatty was like, "I'm not going to be the dumbass, I'll put it on Faye."

Then he probably felt bad and decided to come forward.

Has Faye been talked to afterwards? She was nowhere to be seen.

This is great:


Dunaway, seemingly unfazed, was snacking on cashews backstage in the first moments after the best picture announcement.

After the show, at the Governor’s Ball, Dunaway told The Hollywood Reporter (https://twitter.com/ScottFeinberg/status/836100281163132932)she wouldn’t be commenting on the matter.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/02/oscars-2017-moonlight-best-picture-la-la-land-wrong-envelope

[TGM]

So Fox has had 9 X-Men movies, and 0 Oscars between them.

Marvel has 14 MCU movies, 0 Oscars between them.

Meanwhile, the DCEU of all things, only 3 movies in, and they've already snagged an Oscar. Brilliant.

[transmogrifier]

To be honest, nothing from those 23 films was really award-worthy. But Suicide Squad sure as shit wasn't either.

[Watashi]

Also, the costuming award for Fantastic Beasts was the first Oscar for any Harry Potter film.

I find that kinda crazy.

[Dukefrukem]

Also, the costuming award for Fantastic Beasts was the first Oscar for any Harry Potter film.

I find that kinda crazy.

I don't. Those movies are trash. Even the special effects was low bar.

[Spinal]

I don't really get the fretting over Suicide Squad's Oscar. Are people upset because the movie itself was bad or because they didn't think the makeup was worthy? Haven't seen the movie, but based on the clips, the makeup looked pretty impressive to me.

[TGM]

A little of both. In my estimation, it didn't even deserve to be nominated, even if it was just for makeup. There were far better examples of makeup in film from the year, many of which came from films that the Oscars otherwise adored in other categories, yet for some reason went ignored for makeup. But even looking at what it was up against, Suicide Squad isn't even in the same league as its competition, yet it somehow came out the winner. Really the most questionable win of the whole evening.

[number8]

Well, the make up got everyone to really hate Joker. That's a success story.

[Wryan]

"Dunaway, seemingly unfazed, was snacking on cashews backstage in the first moments after the best picture announcement."

Apparently Winston* is Faye Dunaway.

[Ezee E]

She was probably like, "I liked La La Land and all, but I think Hell or High Water should've won."

[number8]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chicagoinc/ct-gary-from-chicago-oscars-20170228-story.html

Holy shit, the dude was serving a life sentence for stealing $270 perfume from a department store in 1996. Three strikes law is so dumb.

[Dukefrukem]

But yet he was released.

[Irish]

Three strikes law is so dumb.

Ah, there's that great Clinton legacy again!

(I agree it's dumb--almost criminal in itself)

[number8]

But yet he was released.

Because California changed the law in 2012 and his lawyer demanded he get re-sentenced under the new provision. They changed his sentence from life to 6 years, which granted him immediate release since he's been in jail for 20 years for the theft.

[Dukefrukem]

I'm pretty sure he wasn't jailed 20 years for theft.... i'm pretty sure there was a rape charge thrown in there... and i'm pretty sure the 3rd charge wasn't even disclosed to the public it was so bad. So... not really feeling bad for him.

Armed robbery is also a jailable offense.

Why are you defending him like he stole some perfume 3 times and was sentenced life in prison?

[Dukefrukem]

Let's make it a 2 strike rule.

[number8]

Let's behead people for jaywalking, i say.

[Pop Trash]

Why are you defending him like he stole some perfume 3 times and was sentenced life in prison?

Agreed. He's a registered sex offender to this day. Fake news meme.

[Wryan]

Oh fuck stealing perfume can put you on the sex offender list? I...uh...I'll be right back.

[Yxklyx]

This makes the whole misfire much clearer:

https://medium.freecodecamp.com/why-typography-matters-especially-at-the-oscars-f7b00e202f22#.yk6je11sg

[Irish]

Why are you defending him like he stole some perfume 3 times and was sentenced life in prison?

Because treating all crimes with the same heavy hand is inhuman. I mean, the entire idea of having some guy sit up on a bench and play judge is because every circumstance is potentially different. (If they're not different, then why have a judge?)

3 strikes laws makes something as negligible as shoplifting carry the same weight as armed robbery or rape. How is that not fucked up? Why not cut out the legal middleman, do away with the judge entirely, and just give everybody 10 years any time they're convicted for anything?

[Winston*]

We have a three strikes policy in NZ but it is only for violent crimes, and what I think it means is that with the third offence, you have to serve the maximum sentence without the possibility of parole. There's a little leeway though.

I don't agree with it. It's a bullshit catch-all right-wing policy and I don't like the idea of basing justice systems on cute baseball metaphors, but at least it makes more sense than the insane US version.

[number8]

That's what California voted on in 2012. They added a provision that says the three strikes law now only applies for violent crime, instead of just any crime.

[Spinal]

If you're tired of the Oscars Best Picture fiasco story, don't read this. I understand. But I found this pretty hilarious.

Oscars' stage manager throws Price Waterhouse accountants under the bus, gets in the bus, runs them over, does a 180 and then runs them over again. (http://www.thewrap.com/oscar-stage-manager-pwc-accountants-incompetence/)

[Ezee E]

So how long did he serve for the rape charge? Was that his second, and then the bottle of perfume did him in for life?

[amberlita]

If you're tired of the Oscars Best Picture fiasco story, don't read this. I understand. But I found this pretty hilarious.

Oscars' stage manager throws Price Waterhouse accountants under the bus, gets in the bus, runs them over, does a 180 and then runs them over again. (http://www.thewrap.com/oscar-stage-manager-pwc-accountants-incompetence/)

Interesting that everyone was reporting that someone screamed "He took the wrong envelope!" or something to that effect right after they called LaLa Land the winner. This story makes a lot more sense. And also explains why they won't let Ruiz do the Oscars again either.

[Spinal]

Sigh. One of the few nice things about Oscar nominations are those times in the Best Animated Film category when films like The Red Turtle manage to get attention instead of something like Finding Dory. That might change, based on rule changes (http://www.avclub.com/article/oscars-no-longer-trust-animators-alone-know-good-a-253411?utm_) that have been made.


Nominations for Best Animated Feature will now be in the hands of the entire Academy, not just the members of the Short Films and Feature Animation Branch.

[Skitch]

What the hell? Thats really odd.