Match Cut Directorial Canon Consensus - Peter Greenaway

[Ezee E]

Alrighty, so we're on to week two of the consensus. PLEASE review the rules and information contained in the main thread:

Results & Rules (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=426)

Week Three: Peter Greenaway
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[chrisnu]

The Draughtsman's Contract - 9
A Zed and Two Noughts - 8
Drowning by Numbers - 9
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover - 9

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

The Draughtsman's Contract - 6.5
A Zed and Two Noughts - 10
Belly of an Architect - 7
Drowning by Numbers - 10
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and her Love - 10
Prospero's Books - 7
8 1/2 Women - 6

[Raiders]

The Draughtsman's Contract (1982) - 8.5
A Zed & Two Noughts (1985) - 9.5
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover (1989) - 8.0
Prospero's Books (1991) - 8.0

[Spinal]

A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist - 7
Vertical Features Remake - 5.5
The Falls - 8.5
The Draughtsman's Contract - 8.5
A Zed & Two Noughts - 10
The Belly of an Architect - 7.5
Death in the Seine - 10
Drowning by Numbers - 10
A TV Dante - 7.5
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 10
Prospero's Books - 10
The Baby of Mâcon - 8.5
The Pillow Book - 9
8 ½ Women - 8
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story - 8

[Derek]

Vertical Features Remake - 7.0
The Falls - 8.0
The Draughtsman's Contract - 7.5
A Zed & Two Noughts - 8.0
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 7.5

[origami_mustache]

Greenaway seems like a match-cut favorite and sadly I haven't seen any of his work :(

[Bosco B Thug]

I totally have pretty much all of his movies (including TCtThWahL) available to me for free and I'm tempted to have a Greenaway binge week. Might not be a good or plausible idea, but it's a tempting one.

A Zed and Two Noughts - 9/10
The Draughtsman's Contract - 8.5/10

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

Greenaway seems like a match-cut favorite and sadly I haven't seen any of his work :(

rent the brand-spanking new dvd of A Zed and Two Noughts!

[MacGuffin]

For now:

Vertical Features Remake (1978) 6.0
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover (1989) 6.5

[origami_mustache]

rent the brand-spanking new dvd of A Zed and Two Noughts!

I have had The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover for a long time now and still haven't gotten around to watching it. Once I watch some other things I've given priority I'll get around to watching this one and then most likely watch several of his films in succession.

[soitgoes...]

Yeah, unless I get to one of his films this week (unlikely), this'll be the first time I won't be able to participate. By the by, can we sticky the main consensus thread?

[Velocipedist]

Here we go. Probably my favourite director and the first Directorial Canon Consensus I'm participating in. I'm honored.

I've seen most of his shorts and TV movies too, but let's leave those out for now.

The Falls - 9.5
The Draughtsman's Contract - 8
A Zed & Two Noughts - 10
The Belly of an Architect - 8
Drowning by Numbers - 9.5
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 10
Prospero's Books - 7
The Baby of Mâcon - 7
The Pillow Book - 7.5
8 ½ Women - 7.5
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story - 8.5

[Boner M]

A Zed and Two Noughts - 8.5
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover - 7.0

[dreamdead]

The Draughtsman's Contract - 9
A Zed & Two Noughts - 10
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 10
Prospero's Books - 10
The Pillow Book - 9.5

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

for a divisive director, Peter Greenaway is getting ridiculously high marks across the board (keeps fingers crossed)

[Ezee E]

for a divisive director, Peter Greenaway is getting ridiculously high marks across the board (keeps fingers crossed)
I've only seen The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover. It will not be matching the scores that have been given thus far.

I intend to see Zed & Two Noughts by the end of the week.

[monolith94]

Prospero's Books - 9
The Pillow Book - 8.5

[Llopin]

The Draughtsman's Contract - 7
A Zed & Two Noughts - 8.5
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 9.5
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story - 7

[Mysterious Dude]

A Zed & Two Noughts - 6.0

[Yxklyx]

Vertical Features Remake - 6
The Falls - 8
The Draughtman's Contract - 7
A Zed and Two Noughts - 9
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover - 8
The Pillow Book - 5

[Melville]

for a divisive director, Peter Greenaway is getting ridiculously high marks across the board (keeps fingers crossed)

A Zed & Two Noughts (1985) - 9
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover (1989) - 5
Prospero's Books (1991) - 3

[Orange Claw Hammer]

Drowning By Numbers-7
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover -5
Prospero's Books - 6
The Baby of Macon - 5
The Pillow Book -8

[Sven]

Cook Thief Wife Lover - 7.5
Prospero's Books - 3
Pillow Book - 5
8 1/2 Women - 5

I have Belly of an Architect in my possession, but my schedule is suggesting that I more than likely will not get to it.

[Qrazy]

The Draughtsman's Contract - 8
A Zed & Two Noughts - 8.5
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 8.5
The Pillow Book - 5

[Russ]

Greenaway seems like a match-cut favorite and sadly I haven't seen any of his work :(
Ditto. :sad:

[mindstream]

Excluding the short films:

The Falls - 8
The Draughtsman's Contract - 10
A Zed & Two Noughts - 10
The Belly of an Architect - 10
Drowning by Numbers - 10
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover - 8
Prospero's Books - 10
The Baby of Mâcon - 8
The Pillow Book - 9
8 ½ Women - 6
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 1: The Moab Story - 7
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 2: Vaux to the Sea - 8
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 3: From Sark to the Finish - 7
Nightwatching - 7

Dare I say, I'm a fan.

[Spinal]

The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 2: Vaux to the Sea - 8
The Tulse Luper Suitcases, Part 3: From Sark to the Finish - 7


Film festival?

[mindstream]

Nah, torrents. :)

[Cherish]

A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist - 8
Vertical Features Remake - 5
The Falls – 7
The Draughtsman's Contract – 8.5
A Zed & Two Noughts - 6.5
The Belly of an Architect – 6.5
Drowning by Numbers - 10
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover – 8.5
Prospero's Books – 9
The Pillow Book - 5.5

[baby doll]

Intervals (1969) [7]
H Is for House (1973) [7]
Windows (1975) [6]
Water Wrackets (1975) [4]
Dear Phone (1977) [7]
Vertical Features Remake (1978) [7]
A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Orthinologist (1978) [5]
The Falls (1980) [8]
The Draughstman's Contract (1982) [9]
A Zed and Two Noughts (1985) [10]
The Belly of an Architect (1987) [8]
Drowning by Numbers (1988) [6]
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover (1989) [8]
A TV Dante: The Inferno - Cantos I-VIII (1989) [7]
Prospero's Books (1991) [6]
The Baby of Macon (1993) [8]
The Pillow Book (1996) [8]
8 1/2 Women (1999) [6]
Visions of Europe [segment "European Showerbath"] (2004) [4]
Nightwatching (2007) [2]

I hope he recuts Nightwatching before releasing it.

[Spinal]

Intervals (1969) [7]
H Is for House (1973) [7]
Windows (1975) [6]
Water Wrackets (1975) [4]
Dear Phone (1977) [7]
Visions of Europe [segment "European Showerbath"] (2004) [4]


Under 30 minutes, so I don't think he's going to count these.


I hope he recuts Nightwatching before releasing it.

I'll be happy if it's released at all. Still no word as best as I can tell.

[baby doll]

Under 30 minutes, so I don't think he's going to count these.In case he does, I'll be on record as saying European Showerbath was really lame.


I'll be happy if it's released at all. Still no word as best as I can tell.You wouldn't be happy if you saw it.

[Ezee E]

Looks like Zed won't be coming in until Monday, so...

The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, & Her Lover - 3

[Raiders]

Looks like Zed won't be coming in until Monday

That's too bad.


The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, & Her Lover - 3Never mind.

[dreamdead]

The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, & Her Lover - 3

I can understand ambivalence, but anything lower than a 5 seems a bit much. The film is technically proficient and nothing is immaturish about it, so can you give a bit more description. Thoughts laying around anywhere? Thoughts beyond, y'know, "meh." :)

[Ezee E]

I can understand ambivalence, but anything lower than a 5 seems a bit much. The film is technically proficient and nothing is immaturish about it, so can you give a bit more description. Thoughts laying around anywhere? Thoughts beyond, y'know, "meh." :)
Not really. All I can say is "meh." It's been a few years, so maybe a rewatch is in order, but I just remember it as being very over-the-top, and sickening in a way that was not funny at all, which I think it was suppose to be.

It reminded me a lot of Cronenberg's Crash. A trainwreck that you don't want to watch, but you continue to watch, and then, you just wonder why you even put your eyes on it.

I gave it a * 1/2, so that translates to a 3.

[Stay Puft]

A Walk Through H: The Reincarnation of an Ornithologist - 7
Vertical Features Remake - 9
The Falls - 10
The Belly of an Architect - 8

[Velocipedist]

Not really. All I can say is "meh." It's been a few years, so maybe a rewatch is in order, but I just remember it as being very over-the-top, and sickening in a way that was not funny at all, which I think it was suppose to be.

Over-the-top? Yes, but it's delightfully over-the-top and meta-subjectively-realistic. Sickening? Yes! Funny? Yes!

I can't see what's wrong with it.

[Ezee E]

I will probably not get this up until tomorrow.

[chrisnu]

Edited for Drowning by Numbers.

All of the films I've seen end in ceremonious deaths. That means something.

[Ezee E]

RESULTS:
1.Drowning by Numbers – 8.94 (8)
2.A Zed & Two Noughts – 8.72 (18)
3.The Falls – 8.38 (8)
4.The Draughtman’s Contract – 8.21 (14)
5.The Belly of an Architect – 7.86 (7)
6.The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, & Her Lover – 7.84 (19)
7.The Tulse Luper Suitcases – 7.63 (4)
8.Prospero’s Books – 7.33 (12)
9.The Baby of Macon – 7.30 (5)
10.The Pillow Book – 7.27 (11)
11.A Walk Through H – 6.75 (4)
12.8 ½ Women – 6.42 (6)
13.Vertical Features Remake – 6.5 (7)

DID NOT QUALIFY –
-Death is the Seine – 10 (1)
-A TV Dante – 7.25 (2)
-Vaux to the Sea – 8.0 (1)
-From Sark to the Finish – 7.0 (1)
-Nightwatching – 4.5 (2)

DIRECTOR RATING: =
7.56

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BIGGEST FAN: Dreamdead
BIGGEST HATER: Iosos
MOST DEDICATED: Spinal / babydoll (when short films are included)
MOST WATCHED: The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, & Her Lover

[Velocipedist]

What? I'm not his biggest fan? Well, anyway.

It's sad The Cook got such a low (by my standards) score just because it had the most votes. Someone should develop a weighted tallying system.

[Ezee E]

What? I'm not his biggest fan? Well, anyway.

It's sad The Cook got such a low (by my standards) score just because it had the most votes. Someone should develop a weighted tallying system.
Figure it out, and perhaps I'll give it a try.

[Spinal]

What? I'm not his biggest fan? Well, anyway.



I gave him five 10's. Apparently, that wasn't enough.

[dreamdead]

I gave him five 10's. Apparently, that wasn't enough.

I've apparently never seen any of his bad films. Ergo, I win. :pritch:

[monolith94]

That chart is really cool.

[Ezee E]

That chart is really cool.
He's generally stayed consistant it appears. The best was Ridley Scott who started off high and nearly collapsed, only to slowly rise to a completely mediocre rating.

[baby doll]

Drowning by Numbers at number one seems way out of whack with any kind of consensus on Greenaway's work. When I took a class on his films in art school to fufill my art history requirement, there wasn't even a chapter on it in the text book.

[baby doll]

I've apparently never seen any of his bad films.Just stay away from Nightwatching and you should be okay. Man that was a disappointment.

[monolith94]

What specifically didn't you like about drowning by numbers?

[mindstream]

When I took a class on his films in art school to fufill my art history requirement, there wasn't even a chapter on it in the text book.

Blame your film class, don't blame the film.

And watch Fear of Drowning if you can. Greenaway unlocks some of the film's secrets in it. Aside from Prospero's Books, Drowning by Numbers might just be Greenaway's most complex and sophisticated work and I'm really happy to see that people appreciate it.

[Spinal]

The first time I watched Drowning by Numbers, I think I was too busy playing the 'spot the numbers' game to fully grasp how good it was. I considered it second-tier Greenaway until I saw it a second time while doing research for a paper. It's now in my top 100.

[chrisnu]

And watch Fear of Drowning if you can. Greenaway unlocks some of the film's secrets in it. Aside from Prospero's Books, Drowning by Numbers might just be Greenaway's most complex and sophisticated work and I'm really happy to see that people appreciate it.
Thank you. I intend to watch this, as well as re-watch the film shortly.

[Wryan]

For a lit class I took in college, our professor brought in Prospero's Books after we had read The Tempest. We watched the opening loooooooooooooooong-ass crawl, interspersed with that fucking water drip, and then watched a bit of his Caliban interpretation. We didn't watch the whole thing, partially because we didn't have time and also because it wasn't the point at the time.

After the lights came up, pretty much everyone had jaws open, some from having their minds fused into a little ball, some had possibly simply perished in their chairs and hadn't fallen out of them yet, and others were intrigued.

The opening tracking was nice, at least. Except for that fucking drip of water. I still can't get that out of my head.

[Spinal]

The opening sequence of Prospero's Books is one of the most extraordinary things I've seen on film. I was fortunate enough to see this on the big screen in its initial run. First Greenaway experience and I've been a devotee ever since.

[Qrazy]

Well, this thread has inspired me to check out Drowning by Numbers so score one for the Big Green Master.

[Velocipedist]

Well, this thread has inspired me to check out Drowning by Numbers so score one for the Big Green Master.

A win-win situation.

[baby doll]

What specifically didn't you like about drowning by numbers?It just seems to me a very minor work. It's almost as if, on the heels of his first international co-production the year before (The Belly of an Architect), he wanted to retreat as far into the heart of British dry humor and murder plots as humanly possible. It's not a bad film; I'd say it's about par with 8 1/2 Women.

[Ezee E]

Started some of Zed. Looks awesome.