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Rowland
11-26-2013, 08:15 AM
I'm becoming obsessed with the phenomenon of digital color grading being (ab)used to give films an unnatural coat of O&T. This trend has grown increasingly difficult for me to ignore when I noticed that spiffy remastered Blu-ray transfers of classics are being balanced this way, which amounts to straight-up revisionism. Here is just one before-and-after example:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/tampomadness_zps639e1d67.png
Here's an example (amidst countless others) of a more recent film adhering to this obnoxious trend, which I've singled out for being a critical darling by a highly respected filmmaker:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/5616_16_large_zps234a4831.jpg
Anyone know the films?
More thoughts and examples to come, and encouraged by others. In the meantime, Bill Paxton's formerly (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=117&position=8) blue hair mocks us:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/7549_1_large_zps761107cb.jpg
And Beneteal Cumberorange warns us to embrace the madness, or else:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/1T1VQ_zpsb6a05b0e.jpg
Dukefrukem
11-26-2013, 12:09 PM
I'm torn on the argument. I remember having this when the Total Recall remake was coming out because someone had mentioned the Orange and Teal upscale in the original. Without a comparison shot in the Terminator cap, I'd say it looks pretty damn good. But the ones above it are more obvious.
Rowland
11-26-2013, 06:00 PM
I'm torn on the argument. I remember having this when the Total Recall remake was coming out because someone had mentioned the Orange and Teal upscale in the original. Without a comparison shot in the Terminator cap, I'd say it looks pretty damn good. But the ones above it are more obvious.I provided a link to a shot from the same scene in the previous Blu-ray edition of The Terminator (click on "formerly"), which is obviously less sharp, but it illustrates how the color scheme has been given a teal sheen. The more I look into this, the more blown away I am by the extent of it, and how little directors and cinematographers seem to care.
The first two shots are from In the Mouth of Madness and Hugo (which is loaded with teal and orange).
MadMan
11-26-2013, 06:57 PM
All the films mentioned so far are ones I liked or loved. Anyways I'm just reminded of the famous blue scene in In The Mouth of Madness where Sam Neil freaks out on the bus.
Henry Gale
11-26-2013, 08:15 PM
I've complained about this many a time, especially when it concerns revisionist colour timing (even by the existing directors of their older works). I especially hate when it has to end up sticking out as the one thing I really dislike something I otherwise really love, like with how Scott applied it to the Blade Runner Final Cut.
When it's for a new movie it definitely can bug me, but usually not as much unless I've seen how it may have looked before it's tempering. For instance, that Star Trek picture in the first post is clearly a set picture, but whereas it has blue and orange tones there, the final film has everything shifted to green and yellow hues. I would have never known that before or after seeing the movie.
I remember a screener of No Country For Old Men leaking around its Oscar season, and even though I had already seen it in theatres, the unofficial version struck me so differently because of how lacking it was of the Coens' teal and organge-ing of every wall and skin tone. It was like night and day in places. (If I find screencaps of this I'll edit them in.)
I gathered some of the previously mentioned Terminator Blu-ray comparisons here (http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?4587-Blu-ray-Releases-for-February-19-2013&p=466803&viewfull=1#post466803).
D_Davis
11-27-2013, 05:34 PM
Blue is the warmest color, and Orange is the new black.
Qrazy
11-27-2013, 09:03 PM
What I don't understand is why orange and teal rather than just various shades of deeper blues and yellows/golds.
Rowland
11-28-2013, 09:57 AM
So I watched Thelma and Louise in a class on DVD, and then rewatched parts of it at home on Blu-ray as a reference for a paper. :lol:
DVD:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/thelmalouisedvd1_zps5635d67e.p ng
BD:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/thelmalouisebd1_zpsab8d6411.pn g
:|
Rowland
11-28-2013, 10:18 AM
Mind you, this is a Blu-ray that received largely fabulous reviews for its transfer. Are these alleged professionals really so blind/oblivious?
DVD:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/thelmalouisedvd2_zpse1a63a90.p ng
BD:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/drowland811/thelmalouisebd2_zps7fbb4a8a.pn g
I'll take less clarity over this revolting revisionism any day. :frustrated:
Grouchy
11-28-2013, 04:56 PM
I really hadn't paid attention to this stuff before, but the glaring manipulation on Thelma and Louise is kind of offensive.
DVD/Blu-Ray quality reviews are a joke. If you read enough of them you'll realize they all basically ramble around the same bunch of words. I bet they copy/paste from previous reviews.
EyesWideOpen
11-28-2013, 10:39 PM
I hear about it all the time but I've yet to notice it or have it bother me unless someone is showing me them side by side
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