Match Cut Directorial Canon Consensus - Ridley Scott

[Ezee E]

In case I'm busy on Sunday, I'm going to start this early. I will post previous results as soon as I get them.
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Alrighty, so we're on to week one of the consensus. PLEASE review the rules and information contained in the main thread:

Results & Rules (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=426)

Week One: Ridley Scott

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/ridleyscott-hannibal.jpg

[Watashi]

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 10
Thelma and Louise - 5
Gladiator - 8
Black Hawk Down - 8
Matchstick Men - 7
Kingdom of Heaven - 7.5
American Gangster - 5

[Ezee E]

Alien - 10
Blade Runner - 10
Legend - TBD
Thelma & Louise - 4
G.I. Jane - 7
Gladiator - 8
Hannibal - 6
Black Hawk Down - 9
Matchstick Men - 8
Kingdom of Heaven - 4
American Gangster - 6

[MacGuffin]

Alien (1979) 5.5
Gladiator (2000) 4.5
Matchstick Men (2003) 1.0

[Philosophe_rouge]

Blade Runner- 10
White Squall- 6
Gladiator-9

[Ezee E]

Matchstick Men (2003) 1.0
Gladiator (2000) 4.5
Alien (1979) 5.5
Results & Rules (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=426)

Particularly the part about chronological listing.

[dreamdead]

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 9
Thelma and Louise - 5
White Squall - 4
Gladiator - 6.5 (lovely score with Lisa Gerrard, though)
Hannibal - 7
Black Hawk Down - 6

[Sycophant]

Alien - 9.5
Blade Runner - 6.0
Thelma and Louise - 7.0
Matchstick Men - 8.0

[Winston*]

The Duellists - 8.5
Alien - 10
Blade Runner - 8
Legend - 3
Black Rain - 3
Thelma and Louise - 3
Gladiator - 5.5
Hannibal - 4
Matchstick Men - 7

[Spinal]

Alien 7.5
Blade Runner 6.5
Thelma & Louise 2.5
Gladiator 5.5
Hannibal 3
Black Hawk Down 2.5

[Sven]

The Duellists - 10 (he only got worse)
Alien - 8 (solid, tense)
Blade Runner - 5 (the definition of overrated)
Legend - 7 (heh...)
Black Rain - 4 (for Michael Douglas fetishists only)
Thelmeh and Louise - 6.5 (I like the alternate ending)
White Squall - 1 (oh, Jeff Bridges... how could you?)
GI Jane - 3 (more like GI Pain!)
Gladiator - 5 (I have nothing to say about this movie. Zero.)
Hannibal - 9 (Spinal, ignore this, lest you think less of me. D_Davis, rep plz?)
Black Hawk Down - 6 (noisy and tiresome, JUST LIKE WAR OMG!)
Matchstick Men - 8 (maybe I should see this one again)
Kingdom of Heaven - 1 (WOAT)
The first 5 minutes of A Good Year - 2 (I turned it off... good Lord)

[trotchky]

Blade Runner 8
Hannibal 2
Matchstick Men 4
American Gangster 4

[kamran]

Alien - 8.0
Gladiator - 6.5
Hannibal - 7.5
Black Hawk Down - 5.5
Matchstick Men - 6.5
Kingdom of Heaven - 5.5
American Gangster - 4.5

[kamran]

Hannibal - 9

:pritch:

[Sycophant]

Thelmeh and Louise - 6.5 (I like the alternate ending)Yeah, me too.

[Grouchy]

Alien - 10
Blade Runner -10
Legend - 8
Hannibal - 7
Kingdom of Heaven - 4
American Gangster - 8

On the whole I'm very positive on Scott, though I've seen much less than I thought.

[Stay Puft]

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 8
Gladiator - 6
Hannibal - 6
Black Hawk Down - 5
Matchstick Men - 4

[ledfloyd]

oooh, i get to have fun!

Blade Runner - 5
Legend - 2
GI Jane - 2
Gladiator - 4
Hannibal - 3
Black Hawk Down - 4
Matchstick Men - 3
Kingdom of Heaven - 0
A Good Year - 1

i'm not sure why i've seen so many of his films when i hate them all. i do need to see alien and duellists though. maybe thelma and louise. i'll probably end up seeing american gangster.

[Watashi]

I will never understand the hate for Scott's recent films (Kingdom of Heaven, Matchstick, Black Hawk Down, etc). Hate his 90's stuff all you want, but he's been very good 2000 and beyond.

[Boner M]

Armond called him an 'ultrahack', LOL.

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 8
Thelma and Louise - 7
Gladiator - 5
Hannibal - 3
Black Hawk Down - 4
Mehtchstick Mehn - 5.5
Amehrican Gangster - 4.5

[Mr. Valentine]

Alien - 8
Blade Runner - 6.5
Legend - 6
Thelma & Louise - 7
Gladiator - 8.5
Hannibal - 6
Black Hawk Down - 7
Matchstick Men - 7.5
Kingdom of Heaven - 5.5

besides 1 or 2 really good films mostly i consider his films pretty average.

[Rowland]

Alien - 8
Blade Runner (DC) - 7
Legend (DC) - 7
Gladiator - 6
Hannibal - 5
Black Hawk Down - 7
Matchstick Men - 6
American Gangster - 6

[megladon8]

All this Gladtiator hate is really sad.

Alien - 10
Blade Runner - 10
Legend - 5.5
Thelma & Louise - 5
Gladiator - 9.5
Hannibal - 6
Black Hawk Down - 6.5
Matchstick Men - 6

[soitgoes...]

The Duellists (1977) - 6.5
Alien (1979) - 9.5
Blade Runner (1982) - 7.5
Thelma & Louise (1991) - 5.0
White Squall (1996) - 4.0
G.I. Jane (1997) - 2.5
Gladiator (2000) - 8.5
Black Hawk Down (2001) - 7.0
Hannibal (2001) - 5.5
Matchstick Men (2003) - 6.5
Kingdom of Heaven (2005) - 4.5
A Good Year (2006) - 3.0

Meh. I have his short Boy and Bicycle that I might watch before this is done.

[Sven]

Armond called him an 'ultrahack', LOL.

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 8
Thelma and Louise - 7
Gladiator - 5
Hannibal - 3
Black Hawk Down - 4
Mehtchstick Mehn - 5.5
Amehrican Gangster - 4.5

I think you'd really like The Duellists. Check it out.

[Rowland]

I have his short Boy and Bicycle that I might watch before this is done.It's boring, only really of interest to see a young Tony Scott as the lead.

[Llopin]

Alien - 8
Blade Runner - 9
Thelma & Louise - 6
Gladiator - 6
Black Hawk Down - 7.5
Hannibal - 5

[Mysterious Dude]

Alien - 9.5
Blade Runner - 8.0
Legend - 6.5
Thelma & Louise - 6.5
Gladiator - 7.5
Hannibal - 2.5
Black Hawk Down - 5.5
Matchstick Men - 4.5
Kingdom of Heaven - 6.0
A Good Year - 2.5

Hmm. He's really not a very good director.

[Derek]

Alien - 8.0
Blade Runner - 9.0
Thelma & Louise - 6.5
Gladiator - 5.0
Hannibal - 4.5
Black Hawk Down - 6.0
Matchstick Men - 6.0
American Gangster - 5.0

[Wryan]

Alien - 10
Blade Runner - 8
Legend - 7 ("Do you think I'm faaair?)
Thelma & Louise - 5
White Squall - 6
G.I. Jane - 4
Gladiator - 8
Hannibal - 7
Black Hawk Down - 8
Matchstick Men - 7
Kingdom of Heaven - 7
American Gangster - 8

To be fair though, Tim Curry and his makeup give Legend a good 3 or 4 points right there.

[Yxklyx]

The Duellists 7
Alien 10
Blade Runner 10
Legend 7
Thelma and Louise 8
Gladiator 7

[Russ]

Alien - 9.5
Blade Runner 9.0
Legend - 7.0
Someone to Watch Over Me 6.0
Black Rain 4.0
Thelma & Louise 8.0
1492: Conquest of Paradise 3.0
White Squall 5.5
Gladiator 4.5
Hannibal 7.5

[Raiders]

The Duellists (1977) 7.5
Alien (1979) 9.0
Blade Runner (1982) 7.0
Legend (1985) 5.5
Thelma & Louise (1991) 3.5
White Squall (1996) 4.0
Gladiator (2000) 5.0
Hannibal (2001) 4.5
Black Hawk Down (2001) 6.5

[origami_mustache]

Alien - 8
Thelma & Louise - 6.5
GI Jane - 3
Gladiator- 7
Hannibal- 4
Black Hawk Down - 6
American Gangster - 6

not qualified:
Jonathan [short] - 9

[Weeping_Guitar]

Alien - 8.5
Blade Runner - 9
Gladiator - 9
Matchstick Men - 7.5
Kingdom of Heaven - 7

[monolith94]

Blade Runner - 10
Gladiator - 8.5
Matchstick Men - 8

[Morris Schæffer]

Alien - 9.0
Blade Runner - 8.5
Black Rain - 5.5
Thelma and Louise - 5.0
1492: Conquest of Paradise - 3.5
GI Jane - 1.5
Gladiator - 8.0
Hannibal - 5.0
Black Hawk Down - 8.0
Matchstick Men - 6.5
Kingdom of Heaven - 5.5
American Gangster - 4.5

[D_Davis]

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 8
Legend - 6
Black Rain - 7
White Squall - 7
Gladiator - 10
Hannibal - 9 (one of the most effective horror films of recent memory)
Black Hawk Down - 9
Matchstick Men - 8

[Rowland]

Hannibal - 9 (one of the most effective horror films of recent memory)
Effective as in scary? I didn't think it was even supposed to be a horror movie.

[D_Davis]

I didn't think it was even supposed to be a horror movie.

It's a horror film through and through.

And yes, effective as in scary, atmospheric, absurd, and powerful. It possesses almost everything I look for in a horror film. I often wonder why I didn't include this on my top 100. It's totally worthy.

[Sven]

No matter how often I realize how much I generally don't like Ridley's work and think to myself that I SHOULD hate Hannibal, I watch it again and it blows me away again. I can't really explain it. It's a fantastically creepy movie.

[D_Davis]

No matter how often I realize how much I generally don't like Ridley's work and think to myself that I SHOULD hate Hannibal, I watch it again and it blows me away again. I can't really explain it. It's a fantastically creepy movie.

I think I'm going to watch it right now. Haven't seen it in a long time.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Alien - 10
Legend - 6.0
Thelma & Louise - 3.5
Gladiator - 6.5
Hannibal - 6.0
Black Hawk Down - 4.0
Matchstick Men - 4.5

Why have I seen so many of his films? How does he constantly make a sucker of me?

[Watashi]

Alien - 10
Legend - 6.0
Thelma & Louise - 3.5
Gladiator - 6.5
Hannibal - 6.0
Black Hawk Down - 4.0
Matchstick Men - 4.5

Why have I seen so many of his films? How does he constantly make a sucker of me?
I think the better question is: Why haven't you seen his best film?

[Kurosawa Fan]

I think the better question is: Why haven't you seen his best film?

I saw it when I was about 13, but can't give it a rating. I'm a completely different person now. I remember liking it, but not much more than that. That new DVD is in my queue, so I'll get around to it eventually.

EDIT: I just noticed that he's filming Blood Meridian. *sigh*

[Sven]

I saw it when I was about 13, but can't give it a rating. I'm a completely different person now. I remember liking it, but not much more than that. That new DVD is in my queue, so I'll get around to it eventually.

As a fellow alumnus of the school of Ridley Sucks High, may I suggest The Duellists? It's achingly beautiful, and even Ridley's staunchest deriders will concede to that film's quality. I think you'd quite like it, actually.

[Sycophant]

Alien - 10
Legend - 6.0
Thelma & Louise - 3.5
Gladiator - 6.5
Hannibal - 6.0
Black Hawk Down - 4.0
Matchstick Men - 4.5

Why have I seen so many of his films? How does he constantly make a sucker of me?That's what they do--they hook you with their first one.

[Watashi]

*is a proud Kingdom of Heaven lover*

We need TC here. He's a big Scott fan. We need some more supporters.

[Mysterious Dude]

Effective as in scary? I didn't think it was even supposed to be a horror movie.
It seemed more like a comedy to me.

[Rowland]

Weird. I liked Hannibal when it was first released, but even then I only enjoyed it as camp, and that's how most of its fans seemed to defend it. Now, I just think it's sorta boring and ridiculous. Charles Taylor wrote an amusing review eviscerating it.

[Ezee E]

Hannibal has a few moments that were pretty creepy, but there's much more camp that it doubles the amount of creepiness. By the time we see Ray Liotta at the dinner scene, it's just unfortunate.

As for K-Fan's wonder as to why he sees Ridley Scott movies, I say it's because he generally directs different types of movies each time. None are the same. He's willing to go from a big action movie to a character-driven movie. That's rare, and provokes interest, even if you haven't liked his previous movies. I'll definitely be seeing his next one with DiCaprio.

[Silencio]

Alien - 9
Blade Runner - 9.5
Gladiator - 7.5
Hannibal - 4
Kingdom of Heaven - 6.5
American Gangster - 5

[Melville]

Alien - 8
Blade Runner - 8
Legend - 3.5
Thelma & Louise - 5
White Squall - 3
G.I. Jane - 3
Gladiator - 6.5
Hannibal - 4
Black Hawk Down - 4.5

[bac0n]

Kingdom of Heaven - 6.5
Matchstick Men - 6.5
Gladiator - 7.5
Thelma & Louise - 7.5
Black Rain - 6.0
Legend - 7.5
Blade Runner - 10
Alien - 10

[Yxklyx]

Kingdom of Heaven - 6.5
Matchstick Men - 6.5
Gladiator - 7.5
Thelma & Louise - 7.5
Black Rain - 6.0
Legend - 7.5
Blade Runner - 10
Alien - 10

someone's gonna get angry.:confused:

[Skitch]

American Gangster (2007) - 8/10
Kingdom of Heaven (2005) - 10/10
Matchstick Men (2003) - 7/10
Black Hawk Down (2001) - 7/10
Hannibal (2001) - 7/10
Gladiator (2000) - 9/10
G.I. Jane (1997) - 7.5/10
White Squall (1996) - n/a
Thelma & Louise (1991) - n/a
Black Rain (1989/I) - n/a
Someone to Watch Over Me (1987) - n/a
Legend (1985) - 8/10
Blade Runner (1982) - 10/10
Alien (1979) - 9.5/10

[Qrazy]

Why have I seen so many of his films? How does he constantly make a sucker of me?

Cinematographic prowess.

[Dillard]

Alien - 6.5
G.I. Jane - 2
Gladiator - 6
Hannibal - 4
Matchstick Men - 6.5

[MadMan]

Huh I've seen more of his movies than I realize.

Alien(1979)-10.0
Blade Runner(1982)-10.0
Black Rain(1989)-8.0
GI Jane(1997)-6.5
Gladiator(2000)-8.5
Black Hawk Down(2001)-8.5
Matchstick Men(2003)-8.5

Overall I still need to view some of his other films, but I really dig what I've seen. Even if according to my ratings he hasn't made a great film since the 80s.

[bac0n]

someone's gonna get angry.:confused:

Bring it on! I fear no anger with my superior polish boxing technique!

[Rowland]

I'm watching The Duelists this weekend, so don't tally the votes until then!

:)

[Ezee E]

I'm watching The Duelists this weekend, so don't tally the votes until then!

:)
No problem. I don't plan on posting until late Sunday night.

[Lasse]

Alien (1979) - 9
G.I. Jane (1997) - 5
Gladiator (2000) - 8
Hannibal (2001) - 3
Black Hawk Down (2001) - 2
Matchstick Men (2003) - 6

[balmakboor]

After years of talking down about Blade Runner, I bought it on a whim recently because the 4-disc set was priced just a bit too attractively. And I have to admit it really won me over this time. I'm not sure if I'm alone or not on this, but I actually like the original theatrical cut the most.

I've now seen three R. Scott films that I consider to be more or less great: Alien, Blade Runner, and Thelma & Louise.

Alien - 10
Blade Runner - 9
Legend - 4 (I so wanted to like this more.)
Someone to Watch Over Me - ? (Totally forgettable. I can't even rate this.)
Thelma & Louise - 9
G.I.Jane - 6 (I saw this in a motel on pay-per-view and it filled the evening much more enjoyably than I expected.)
Gladiator - 4 (This is the least interesting historical epic I've seen in many a moon. I'll take Alexander over this any day.)
Black Hawk Down - 6 (Pretty good I guess. I found it more confusing than engaging.)

[Ezee E]

On top of the averages, I'm going to do a couple fun things.

Stay tuned.

[Melville]

Legend - 4 (I so wanted to like this more.)
Yeah, me too. I remember seeing the ending on TV and thinking that whatever preceded it must have been awesome. Needless to say, I was disappointed to discover that everything preceding the ending is a complete mess that seems to be missing about an hour of its runtime.

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

Alien - 6
Blade Runner - 9
Legend - 3
Gladiator - 4
Hannibal - 5
Matchstick Men - 5

[Rowland]

Go ahead and finish this E, Netflix didn't send me the movie.

Looking forward to seeing the results.

[Ezee E]

Legend is a bizarre movie. Well-crafted but strangely told as a story. Tim Curry rocks though. I'd give it a 6.

[Russ]

For those who've seen Legend, have you seen both versions? For years here in the states, there was only the shorter version with the Tangerine Dream score. The DVD featured both that film and the longer "directors cut" with the original (and quite awesome) Jerry Goldsmith score.

[Ezee E]

For those who've seen Legend, have you seen both versions? For years here in the states, there was only the shorter version with the Tangerine Dream score. The DVD featured both that film and the longer "directors cut" with the original (and quite awesome) Jerry Goldsmith score.
I just watched the directors cut. The score worked just fine with the movie.

[Ezee E]

To be closed in about 6 hours.

[Ezee E]

RESULTS:

Alien -- (8.82/37)
Blade Runner -- (8.44/35)
The Duelists -- (7.91/6)
Gladiator -- (6.82/38)
Matchstick Men – (6.19/29)
Black Hawk Down – (6.15/27)
American Gangster - (5.79/14)
Legend -- (5.78/20)
Thelma & Louise -- (5.71/24)
Kingdom of Heaven – (5.43/15)
Black Rain -- (5.36/7)
Hannibal -- (5.3/30)
White Squall -- (4.5/9)
G.I. Jane -- (4.08/13)


DID NOT QUALIFY:
Someone to Watch Over Me – (6.0/1)
1492 -- (4.5/3)
A Good Year – (2.17/3)
Body of Lies - 5/1

DIRECTOR RATING: 6.17
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/bialasishaha/ridley.jpg
The timeline is a chronological order of the films he's done with their score.

Ridley Scott’s Biggest Fan: Madman, with an average rating of 8.57
Ridley Scott’s Fanclub: (ratings of 8.0+) Philosophe_rouge, Yxklyx, weeping_guitar, monolith94, d_davis, and Skitch
Ridley Scott’s Biggest Hater: TheMostGorgeousSituation, with an average rating of 4.5
Ridley Scott’s Most Dedicated Watcher: Iosos, watching 13 of his movies.

[Watashi]

Awesome.

Great work.

[dreamdead]

Fairly expected ranking, but that's a very nice presentation, E.

[MacGuffin]

That is awesome. I hope it is the format for each results post.

[MadMan]

[Ridley Scott’s Biggest Fan: Madman, with an average rating of 8.57
Ridley Scott’s Fanclub: (ratings of 8.0+) Philosophe_rouge, Yxklyx, weeping_guitar, monolith94, d_davis, and Skitch
Ridley Scott’s Biggest Hater: TheMostGorgeousSituation, with an average rating of 4.5
Ridley Scott’s Most Dedicated Watcher: Iosos, watching 13 of his movies.I'm his biggest fan? Hah that's not too surprising considering that I've avoided some of his lesser regarded films and he seems to be right up my alley. Also that was a really cool way to showcase the ratings and everything else E. I hope you continue to do that with the rest of the director consensuses as that's really awesome.

[origami_mustache]

Ridley Scott Commercials:

Hovis (1973)
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CFLBvLxLJMI/default.jpg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFLBvLxLJMI)

Chanel (1979)
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VHPof2cEjC0/default.jpg
(http://youtube.com/watch?v=VHPof2cEjC0)

Apple 1984:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vNy-7jv0XSc/default.jpg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNy-7jv0XSc)

Pepsi - "choice of a new generation"
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mg_ZLGpo5tE/default.jpg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mg_ZLGpo5tE)

[Mysterious Dude]

Ridley Scott Commercials:

Hovis (1973)
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CFLBvLxLJMI/default.jpg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFLBvLxLJMI)
Damn, that looks like good bread.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Awesome presentation. Great work E.

[Qrazy]

This might sound a little strange but I think that despite the fact that Ridley doesn't have a ton of great films, he's still a great filmmaker. The man knows his craft.

[Qrazy]

Gladiator - 4 (This is the least interesting historical epic I've seen in many a moon. I'll take Alexander over this any day.)

Seriously? Blearg.

[Bosco B Thug]

Ridley Scott’s Biggest Fan: Madman, with an average rating of 8.57
Ridley Scott’s Fanclub: (ratings of 8.0+) Philosophe_rouge, Yxklyx, weeping_guitar, monolith94, d_davis, and Skitch
Ridley Scott’s Biggest Hater: TheMostGorgeousSituation, with an average rating of 4.5
Ridley Scott’s Most Dedicated Watcher: Iosos, watching 13 of his movies. Haha, cool! I want to be a director's Top 5 Biggest Fans.

[Sven]

This might sound a little strange but I think that despite the fact that Ridley doesn't have a ton of great films, he's still a great filmmaker. The man knows his craft.

That does sound a little strange.

So... basically, you have to know how to piece together a comprehensible narrative in order to be considered "great"? What's your criteria here?

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

when we get to a Tony Scott consensus, I guarantee I will get the biggest dissenter award.

[Qrazy]

That does sound a little strange.

So... basically, you have to know how to piece together a comprehensible narrative in order to be considered "great"? What's your criteria here?

I said he is a great director even though he does not have a ton of great films. Judging by the thread I think many here would agree with me that his filmography isn't that impressive, but he still crafts masterful compositions and more than that he understands the flow of imagery. His films founder for other reasons... sometimes it's a weak central story -- GI Jane, A Good Year... sometimes it's convoluted storytelling, either narratively or tonal -- Matchstick Men, Legend... other times it's undercooked thematics with overcooked sound and fury to the excess -- Black Hawk Down, Hannibal.

This is why although I'm consistently disappointed with many of his films, I still end up looking forward to his new outputs, in the hopes that eventually he'll hit all the marks I know he's capable of hitting.

[Sven]

...but he still crafts masterful compositions
...more than that he understands the flow of imagery.

Well, I disagree and I disagree and what's most, I disagree that even if a director understands how to flow some neat compositions, that alone does not qualify him as "great". But here, I resign myself to your definition and will allow you to continue, unperturbed, thinking of him as great.

[MadMan]

when we get to a Tony Scott consensus, I guarantee I will get the biggest dissenter award.I wonder if I'll be his biggest fan also :lol:

[Qrazy]

Well, I disagree and I disagree and what's most, I disagree that even if a director understands how to flow some neat compositions, that alone does not qualify him as "great". But here, I resign myself to your definition and will allow you to continue, unperturbed, thinking of him as great.

Great is perhaps a stronger word than I intended and the misleading element here. What I mean is that there are plenty of directors out there whose films and filmographies I ultimately enjoy more, but who I don't think are nearly as formally capable as he is. For instance, I think he's a better director than someone like Soderbergh or Alexander Payne, but I think both of them have had better outputs than Ridley in terms of their overall filmography.