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Watashi
01-10-2013, 01:03 PM
Here are the nominations:
Best motion picture of the year
“Amour” Nominees to be determined
“Argo” Grant Heslov, Ben Affleck and George Clooney, Producers
“Beasts of the Southern Wild” Dan Janvey, Josh Penn and Michael Gottwald, Producers
“Django Unchained” Stacey Sher, Reginald Hudlin and Pilar Savone, Producers
“Les Misérables” Tim Bevan, Eric Fellner, Debra Hayward and Cameron Mackintosh, Producers
“Life of Pi” Gil Netter, Ang Lee and David Womark, Producers
“Lincoln” Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy, Producers
“Silver Linings Playbook” Donna Gigliotti, Bruce Cohen and Jonathan Gordon, Producers
“Zero Dark Thirty” Mark Boal, Kathryn Bigelow and Megan Ellison, Producers
Performance by an Actor in a Leading role
Bradley Cooper in “Silver Linings Playbook”
Daniel Day-Lewis in “Lincoln”
Hugh Jackman in “Les Misérables”
Joaquin Phoenix in “The Master”
Denzel Washington in “Flight”
Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role
Alan Arkin in “Argo”
Robert De Niro in “Silver Linings Playbook”
Philip Seymour Hoffman in “The Master”
Tommy Lee Jones in “Lincoln”
Christoph Waltz in “Django Unchained”
Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role
Jessica Chastain in “Zero Dark Thirty”
Jennifer Lawrence in “Silver Linings Playbook”
Emmanuelle Riva in “Amour”
Quvenzhané Wallis in “Beasts of the Southern Wild”
Naomi Watts in “The Impossible”
Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role
Amy Adams in “The Master”
Sally Field in “Lincoln”
Anne Hathaway in “Les Misérables”
Helen Hunt in “The Sessions”
Jacki Weaver in “Silver Linings Playbook”
Best Animated Feature film of the year
“Brave” Mark Andrews and Brenda Chapman
“Frankenweenie” Tim Burton
“ParaNorman” Sam Fell and Chris Butler
“The Pirates! Band of Misfits” Peter Lord
“Wreck-It Ralph” Rich Moore
Achievement in Cinematography
“Anna Karenina” Seamus McGarvey
“Django Unchained” Robert Richardson
“Life of Pi” Claudio Miranda
“Lincoln” Janusz Kaminski
“Skyfall” Roger Deakins
Achievement in Costume Design
“Anna Karenina” Jacqueline Durran
“Les Misérables” Paco Delgado
“Lincoln” Joanna Johnston
“Mirror Mirror” Eiko Ishioka
“Snow White and the Huntsman” Colleen Atwood
Achievement in Directing
“Amour” Michael Haneke
“Beasts of the Southern Wild” Benh Zeitlin
“Life of Pi” Ang Lee
“Lincoln” Steven Spielberg
“Silver Linings Playbook” David O. Russell
Best documentary feature
“5 Broken Cameras”
Emad Burnat and Guy Davidi
“The Gatekeepers”
Nominees to be determined
“How to Survive a Plague”
Nominees to be determined
“The Invisible War”
Nominees to be determined
“Searching for Sugar Man”
Nominees to be determined
Best documentary short subject
“Inocente”
Sean Fine and Andrea Nix Fine
“Kings Point”
Sari Gilman and Jedd Wider
“Mondays at Racine”
Cynthia Wade and Robin Honan
“Open Heart”
Kief Davidson and Cori Shepherd Stern
“Redemption”
Jon Alpert and Matthew O’Neill
Achievement in film editing
“Argo” William Goldenberg
“Life of Pi” Tim Squyres
“Lincoln” Michael Kahn
“Silver Linings Playbook” Jay Cassidy and Crispin Struthers
“Zero Dark Thirty” Dylan Tichenor and William Goldenberg
Best foreign language film of the year
“Amour” Austria
“Kon-Tiki” Norway
“No” Chile
“A Royal Affair” Denmark
“War Witch” Canada
Achievement in makeup and hairstyling
“Hitchcock”
Howard Berger, Peter Montagna and Martin Samuel
“The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey”
Peter Swords King, Rick Findlater and Tami Lane
“Les Misérables”
Lisa Westcott and Julie Dartnell
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
“Anna Karenina” Dario Marianelli
“Argo” Alexandre Desplat
“Life of Pi” Mychael Danna
“Lincoln” John Williams
“Skyfall” Thomas Newman
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original song)
“Before My Time” from “Chasing Ice”
Music and Lyric by J. Ralph
“Everybody Needs A Best Friend” from “Ted”
Music by Walter Murphy; Lyric by Seth MacFarlane
“Pi’s Lullaby” from “Life of Pi”
Music by Mychael Danna; Lyric by Bombay Jayashri
“Skyfall” from “Skyfall”
Music and Lyric by Adele Adkins and Paul Epworth
“Suddenly” from “Les Misérables”
Music by Claude-Michel Schönberg; Lyric by Herbert Kretzmer and Alain Boublil
Achievement in production design
“Anna Karenina”
Production Design: Sarah Greenwood; Set Decoration: Katie Spencer
“The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey”
Production Design: Dan Hennah; Set Decoration: Ra Vincent and Simon Bright
“Les Misérables”
Production Design: Eve Stewart; Set Decoration: Anna Lynch-Robinson
“Life of Pi”
Production Design: David Gropman; Set Decoration: Anna Pinnock
“Lincoln”
Production Design: Rick Carter; Set Decoration: Jim Erickson
Best animated short film
“Adam and Dog” Minkyu Lee
“Fresh Guacamole” PES
“Head over Heels” Timothy Reckart and Fodhla Cronin O’Reilly
“Maggie Simpson in “The Longest Daycare”" David Silverman
“Paperman” John Kahrs
Best live action short film
“Asad” Bryan Buckley and Mino Jarjoura
“Buzkashi Boys” Sam French and Ariel Nasr
“Curfew” Shawn Christensen
“Death of a Shadow (Dood van een Schaduw)” Tom Van Avermaet and Ellen De Waele
“Henry” Yan England
Achievement in sound editing
“Argo” Erik Aadahl and Ethan Van der Ryn
“Django Unchained” Wylie Stateman
“Life of Pi” Eugene Gearty and Philip Stockton
“Skyfall” Per Hallberg and Karen Baker Landers
“Zero Dark Thirty” Paul N.J. Ottosson
Achievement in sound mixing
“Argo”
John Reitz, Gregg Rudloff and Jose Antonio Garcia
“Les Misérables”
Andy Nelson, Mark Paterson and Simon Hayes
“Life of Pi”
Ron Bartlett, D.M. Hemphill and Drew Kunin
“Lincoln”
Andy Nelson, Gary Rydstrom and Ronald Judkins
“Skyfall”
Scott Millan, Greg P. Russell and Stuart Wilson
Achievement in visual effects
“The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey”
Joe Letteri, Eric Saindon, David Clayton and R. Christopher White
“Life of Pi”
Bill Westenhofer, Guillaume Rocheron, Erik-Jan De Boer and Donald R. Elliott
“Marvel’s The Avengers”
Janek Sirrs, Jeff White, Guy Williams and Dan Sudick
“Prometheus”
Richard Stammers, Trevor Wood, Charley Henley and Martin Hill
“Snow White and the Huntsman”
Cedric Nicolas-Troyan, Philip Brennan, Neil Corbould and Michael Dawson
Adapted screenplay
“Argo” Screenplay by Chris Terrio
“Beasts of the Southern Wild” Screenplay by Lucy Alibar & Benh Zeitlin
“Life of Pi” Screenplay by David Magee
“Lincoln” Screenplay by Tony Kushner
“Silver Linings Playbook” Screenplay by David O. Russell
Original screenplay
“Amour” Written by Michael Haneke
“Django Unchained” Written by Quentin Tarantino
“Flight” Written by John Gatins
“Moonrise Kingdom” Written by Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola
“Zero Dark Thirty” Written by Mark Boal
Watashi
01-10-2013, 01:10 PM
So the Oscars went from "it's between Zero Dark Thirty and Lincoln" to "it's now definitely Lincoln".
Fezzik
01-10-2013, 01:11 PM
So the Oscars went from "it's between Zero Dark Thirty and Lincoln" to "it's now definitely Lincoln".
Looks like it. No best director nod for Bigelow? One of the biggest shocks to me.
Fezzik
01-10-2013, 01:12 PM
I can't remember the last time my favorite movie of the year (The Cabin in the Woods) had NO Oscar nominations.
Not saying it to make any point, I'm just surprised.
Dukefrukem
01-10-2013, 01:15 PM
Christoph Waltz in “Django Unchained” SUPPORTING ACTOR? WTF?
Dukefrukem
01-10-2013, 01:16 PM
Also we have a thread already (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=4249&highlight=Academy+Awards)
Boner M
01-10-2013, 01:16 PM
I guess this is the Academy's way of telling The Master, "good actors does not a good film make!"
Why do I get that weird feeling Beasts'll take BP?
Dukefrukem
01-10-2013, 01:17 PM
I also stand by my statement about Snow White and the Huntsman having the best visual effects/blu-ray transfer I've ever seen.
baby doll
01-10-2013, 01:36 PM
I've only seen two of those movies: Moonrise Kingdom (best original screenplay) and Prometheus (best special effects). Go Moonrise Kingdom!
I'd like to see No, Amour, The Master, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Searching for Sugar Man, The Gatekeepers, How to Survive a Plague, Django Unchained, Silver Linings Playbook, Argo, Zero Dark Thirty, and maybe Ted (just to make it an even dozen) in roughly that order.
Watashi
01-10-2013, 01:37 PM
I'm rooting for Life of Pi to take BP, Paperman for best animated short and Deakins for cinematography.
baby doll
01-10-2013, 01:38 PM
I'm rooting for Life of Pi to take BP, Paperman for best animated short and Deakins for cinematography.For Skyfall or just because he's the Deak?
Raiders
01-10-2013, 01:38 PM
I haven't seen either Silver Linings Playbook or Zero Dark Thirty, but the nod to O'Russell over Bigelow for directing strikes me as remarkably asinine just from my perception of the two.
That's my uninformed two cents of the day.
Watashi
01-10-2013, 01:41 PM
For Skyfall or just because he's the Deak?
Both.
baby doll
01-10-2013, 01:43 PM
I haven't seen either Silver Linings Playbook or Zero Dark Thirty, but the nod to O'Russell over Bigelow for directing strikes me as remarkably asinine just from my perception of the two.
That's my uninformed two cents of the day.From what I've read in The Guardian, it seems that the American parliament is investigating whether or not Kathryn Bigelow tortured terror suspects by making them watch K-19: The Widowmaker.
Boner M
01-10-2013, 01:47 PM
From what I've read in The Guardian, it seems that the American parliament is investigating whether or not Kathryn Bigelow tortured terror suspects by making them watch K-19: The Widowmaker.
Typical liberal dross from The Guardian.
Everyone knows The Weight of Water was the film in question.
baby doll
01-10-2013, 01:49 PM
Typical liberal dross from The Guardian.
Everyone knows The Weight of Water was the film in question.Either way, it was shot partly in Nova Scotia.
Robby P
01-10-2013, 02:26 PM
Hugh Jackman over Denis Lavant? Okay, then.
number8
01-10-2013, 02:28 PM
I swear, if ParaNorman doesn't win...
Dukefrukem
01-10-2013, 02:32 PM
I swear, if ParaNorman doesn't win...
It won't. But Brave won't win either.
Spinal
01-10-2013, 02:44 PM
Hugh Jackman over Denis Lavant? Okay, then.
Definitely.
Spinal
01-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Christoph Waltz in “Django Unchained” SUPPORTING ACTOR? WTF?
Unforgivable idiocy.
Fezzik
01-10-2013, 02:50 PM
Unforgivable idiocy.
I am absolutely baffled by this. When i heard it announced, I literally cursed under my breath. Not only because he doesn't belong in that category, but also because I knew it meant Leo had no chance.
He. Was. A. Lead.
number8
01-10-2013, 02:55 PM
Umm, he was the protagonist's mentor. That's a supporting role.
Alec Guinness was nominated as supporting as Obi-Wan too, and these two roles are very similar.
Spinal
01-10-2013, 02:55 PM
So the Oscars went from "it's between Zero Dark Thirty and Lincoln" to "it's now definitely Lincoln".
I'm kind of getting a Life of Pi feeling from this list.
Spinal
01-10-2013, 02:57 PM
Umm, he was the protagonist's mentor. That's a supporting role.
Not in this movie. He's a mentor that's with the protagonist nearly every step of the way. He drives the film more than any other character.
Fezzik
01-10-2013, 02:58 PM
Umm, he was the protagonist's mentor. That's a supporting role.
Alec Guinness was nominated as supporting as Obi-Wan too, and these two roles are very similar.
While this is true, Waltz was on the screen for just about as much time as Foxx. Obi-Wan disappeared half-way into the movie.
Spinal
01-10-2013, 03:05 PM
Kind of disappointed, but not surprised, that the stupid, unnecessary song they added to Les Miserables got nominated. I hate this practice of adding stuff in for the sole purpose of awards recognition.
Fezzik
01-10-2013, 03:12 PM
Kind of disappointed, but not surprised, that the stupid, unnecessary song they added to Les Miserables got nominated. I hate this practice of adding stuff in for the sole purpose of awards recognition.
This. I liked the movie more than most here, I think, but that really pissed me off. First of all the song just isn't that great. Secondly, they added a new song while excising at least TWO that already existed.
Studio decision, I'm sure. The thing that bothers me the most about Les Mis is that as much as I enjoyed it, it could have been THE quintessential movie musical had it been handled and filmed in the right way.
number8
01-10-2013, 03:19 PM
While this is true, Waltz was on the screen for just about as much time as Foxx. Obi-Wan disappeared half-way into the movie.
Halfway? Obi-Wan dies, the heroes escape, and the very next scene is the climax where they plan the assault on the Death Star. The movie's at least 2/3 over by then.
So not unlike Schultz.
Screentime doesn't really matter when it comes to determining these things, anyway. It's about the weight of the role in terms of the story. Schultz kickstarts Django's journey, as mentors do, but the main narrative of going to Candyland and rescuing Broomhilda is all Django's, and Schultz is more or less just tagging along to aid him. For example, Sam stuck to Frodo for all 12 hours of the trilogy, but there's no doubt that Frodo is the lead and Sam is the supporting.
I concede that it's silly since we're talking about the work an actor put in, so screentime should count, but I think they're just following the standard way of determining what's a lead and what's a supporting character, and in this case, since it's pretty cut and dry that the movie is Django's story, anyone else is just supporting. You're only a co-lead if the story affects the two main characters equally.
Now they can say "Oscar nominee" before "Bradley Cooper".
Times are strange.
number8
01-10-2013, 03:27 PM
Now they can say "Oscar nominee" before "Bradley Cooper".
Times are strange.
And Seth MacFarlane.
Dead & Messed Up
01-10-2013, 03:39 PM
Weird that The Dark Knight Rises was shut out of the technical categories.
And I was hoping for a Looper screenplay nod, but oh well.
Cool to see Beasts of the Southern Wild get some attention.
Stay Puft
01-10-2013, 04:04 PM
Katsuhiro Ôtomo made the shortlist for animated short. Was hoping he'd secure a nom, but alas.
Watashi
01-10-2013, 04:48 PM
Now they can say "Oscar nominee" before "Bradley Cooper".
Times are strange.
Oscar nominee Jonah Hill.
number8
01-10-2013, 04:51 PM
Hey, we got over Ben Affleck's all those years ago, and look how he turned out.
ledfloyd
01-10-2013, 05:32 PM
Even though I wasn't a huge fan of Amour (and am not a huge proponent of Haneke in general), I would love to see Haneke walk away with Best Director. If only to see the look on Spielberg's face.
But really, Zeitlin and no Bigelow? Who saw that coming?
Mysterious Dude
01-10-2013, 05:50 PM
Interesting fact: Emmanuelle Riva is the oldest person to ever be nominated for best actress. Quvenzhané Wallis is the youngest.
DavidSeven
01-10-2013, 06:25 PM
I haven't seen most of the other films, but I feel comfortable in saying that the K. Bigelow (Zero Dark Thirty) snub is a fucking travesty.
MadMan
01-10-2013, 07:19 PM
I'm fine with Waltz getting it over Leo because he gave the better performance in the movie. And yes I agree with number8 that it was a supporting role.
Since I've only seen Django out of the BP nominees (unless I finally get around to viewing Argo this week) I suppose I'll just spend the ceremony rooting for Roger Deakins to finally get his long overdue Oscar win. Its about goddamn time, you stupid fucking Oscar voters. What's the guy gotta do to get an overrated little golden man? Steal one? Be a cinematographer for a movie with old people who learn the meaning of life from little black children? What? Honestly....
number8
01-10-2013, 07:45 PM
Why Kathryn Bigelow's Oscar snub is a moral outrage.
In the broad scheme of things, the only Oscar snub that qualifies as an outrage is the omission of Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director. Not because it's a bigger slight than snubbing Ben Affleck or Samuel L. Jackson or the like, but because her omission is clearly the result of the kind of smear campaign against the film that has made politics next-to-impossible for the last decade or so. It's the same kind of baseless campaign that prevented Susan Rice from being nominated for Secretary of State, it's the same mud-slinging that caused Obama to (wrongly) dismiss Van Jones early in his term, thus providing the GOP their first scalp.
http://scottalanmendelson.blogspot.co m/2013/01/why-kathryn-bigelows-oscar-snub-is.html
That escalated quickly...
Pop Trash
01-10-2013, 07:46 PM
Another year, another thread where people bitch about nominees and snubs. Honestly, this year is pretty good. No "token movie popular with Conservative Middle America" like The Help or The Blind Side in BP or no "movie popular with Oscar voters only" like The Reader or Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. Instead we get Beasts and Amour in with Lincoln and Playbook. Not bad.
That said, the Bigelow snub is a shocker, but there is an obvious stink in the press about it already.
Fezzik
01-10-2013, 08:07 PM
For example, Sam stuck to Frodo for all 12 hours of the trilogy, but there's no doubt that Frodo is the lead and Sam is the supporting.
That's actually a very good point. I concede the argument. Well played.
DavidSeven
01-10-2013, 08:14 PM
I'm fine with these nominations not aligning with my favorite films of the year, but Bigelow has awards pedigree and helmed a high-profile film with a lot of buzz going in, and while I don't want to get as hyperbolic as that blogger 8 quoted, it does seem to stink of something else at play.
This whole "it's pro-torture and thus evil" nonsense that's being spread about the film is some of the stupidest shit I've seen in a while. This is why we can't have nice things, i.e. thoughtful films that challenge an audiences's ideological preconceptions.
Derek
01-10-2013, 08:35 PM
That's actually a very good point. I concede the argument. Well played.
Except Waltz was leading Foxx around the whole movie and he has way more dialogue. He taught him to shoot, how to bounty hunt and that he needed to play the part of the slaver. If anything, Waltz is more of a lead than Foxx until the last 30-40 minutes.
DavidSeven
01-10-2013, 08:46 PM
The moment they said Ethan Hawke was a supporting actor in Training Day is the moment we should have conceded that they were never going to get this right.
Winston*
01-10-2013, 08:54 PM
I find Emmanuelle Riva but not Jean-Louis Trintignant being nominated kind of strange. I guess Riva's is the flashier performance, but Trintignant carries that film.
NickGlass
01-10-2013, 09:03 PM
The moment they said Ethan Hawke was a supporting actor in Training Day is the moment we should have conceded that they were never going to get this right.
Very true, and it's amusing how everyone forgets that Jamie Foxx was nominated for Best Supporting Actor in Collateral. I can understand the ageist logic, but still do not condone, kids being demoted to the Supporting category (Hailee Steinfeld in True Grit? C'mon)--but when it's such a political move to push a lead performance into supporting because you already have a nominate-able lead performance, I'm baffled that it's not so apparently seen as dumb and greedy.
Henry Gale
01-10-2013, 09:45 PM
I don't think it really matters which category Waltz should be in, because if they had pushed him in the lead actor race, we wouldn't even be talking about him right now. His nomination chances would've been next to none if he went up against actual, indisputable protagonist roles like the ones that ended up rounding out the Best Actor category.
Regardless of how he did it, he got deserved recognition, and that is cool by me.
ledfloyd
01-10-2013, 10:08 PM
true, the reason the weinsteins pushed him as a supporting actor is because he stood no chance to win against daniel day-lewis, and now the best performance in their film has a chance of winning a statue.
Bosco B Thug
01-10-2013, 10:09 PM
It's definitely all political, and I don't rally in support of it, but - as someone who thinks the Oscars are the worst in general - I think the logic is always shrewd... and also correct.
I mean, acrimonious checker-piece-playing is pretty much the name of this game, in the fact that "lead" does often suggest just one, and the choosing of one over another.
These machinations tip a hat to industry meritocracy (the lead is simply the flashiest performance), politics (the bigger star is the lead), or a narratological consideration (the lead is whom the story is "philosophically" about), and, when they really devise brilliantly, all of them at once.
In other words, Ethan Hawke as Supporting in Training Day is kind of sad, but I can rationalize pretty much all the other contestable decisions. Waltz as Supporting for "Django" seems almost astute to me - the Academy is thinking philosophically!
Ezee E
01-10-2013, 11:44 PM
I'm fine with Waltz in Supporting because he wouldn't have gotten nominated otherwise.
I like that Haneke has three nominations out of this.
Silver Linings Playbook is the first to nab a nomination in each acting category in 31 years. Wow... Neat stat. Haven't seen the movie.
Go Roger Deakins... Although Life of Pi winning here would be acceptable.
Lincoln is going to dominate this bitch.
Skitch
01-10-2013, 11:55 PM
Nothing for Cloud Atlas, The Grey, or Ben Whishaw. :(
Ezee E
01-10-2013, 11:57 PM
I would've been amazed if The Grey got nominated for anything. It came out a year ago.
Skitch
01-11-2013, 12:01 AM
I would've been amazed if The Grey got nominated for anything. It came out a year ago.
Yeah, but...its still a 2012 release...is nothing from first quarter ever nominated?
Ezee E
01-11-2013, 12:08 AM
Yeah, but...its still a 2012 release...is nothing from first quarter ever nominated?
I'd have to research it, but nothing comes to mind.
Watashi
01-11-2013, 12:13 AM
The Pirates! Band of Misfits came out in April.
Skitch
01-11-2013, 12:15 AM
Dammit. I guess there's nothing left but to make my yearly rant that there should be a five to ten year gap of Oscar voting. Time affects films.
Ezee E
01-11-2013, 12:15 AM
The Pirates! Band of Misfits came out in April.
Second quarter.
Watashi
01-11-2013, 12:17 AM
Well, technically Beasts of the Southern Wild premiered at Sundance.
Ezee E
01-11-2013, 12:24 AM
Well, technically Beasts of the Southern Wild premiered at Sundance.
Yeah, but it's full release was in the summertime I believe?
I know it's happened, but it's incredibly rare. I believe Silence of the Lambs was a February release...
VERIFIED - came out 2/14/91... Great date movie.
Pop Trash
01-11-2013, 02:10 AM
I know it's happened, but it's incredibly rare. I believe Silence of the Lambs was a February release...
VERIFIED - came out 2/14/91... Great date movie.
Looking over the nominees for BP since 1990, very few of them had pre-June USA release dates. I might have missed a few but other than Lambs, I think Four Weddings and A Funeral, Erin Brokovich, and everyone's favorite: Crash (which eventually won) had January-May releases.
Ezee E
01-11-2013, 04:38 AM
Looking over the nominees for BP since 1990, very few of them had pre-June USA release dates. I might have missed a few but other than Lambs, I think Four Weddings and A Funeral, Erin Brokovich, and everyone's favorite: Crash (which eventually won) had January-May releases.
Yeah, Crash was late May. Forgot about that.
Still, 1st quarter, even for nominations, seems rare... sadly.
B-side
01-11-2013, 05:27 AM
Weird that The Dark Knight Rises was shut out of the technical categories.
Smartest decision they made, though still surprising considering Nolan's films have been nominated every year they've came out for his past 3 or 4 films, at least.
That escalated quickly...
Eh, he's not wrong.
Watashi
02-03-2013, 07:22 AM
So Argo now has the PGA, SAG, and DGA. Looks like Best Picture is a lock. Last time a film won Best Picture without a best director nomination was 1990 with Driving Miss Daisy. I hope Spielberg thanks Ben Affleck first when he wins best director.
Spinal
02-03-2013, 07:40 AM
Selecting Argo in a year with Zero Dark Thirty would be such an Oscar thing to do.
MadMan
02-03-2013, 08:30 AM
I have this feeling that I'm going to love both Argo and Zero Dark Thirty and have no problem with one winning something over the other. But hey I like everything, right? :P (Except Lincoln, which I'll never see because I would never give it a fair shake).
transmogrifier
02-03-2013, 08:50 AM
God knows how David O. Russell got nominated over Bigelow, Affleck, Anderson, pretty much anyone really.
Dead & Messed Up
02-03-2013, 05:27 PM
Smartest decision they made, though still surprising considering Nolan's films have been nominated every year they've came out for his past 3 or 4 films, at least.
Hater.
I'd say TDKR had better visual effects than The Hobbit and Snow White and the Huntsman.
NickGlass
02-03-2013, 07:56 PM
So Argo now has the PGA, SAG, and DGA. Looks like Best Picture is a lock. Last time a film won Best Picture without a best director nomination was 1990 with Driving Miss Daisy. I hope Spielberg thanks Ben Affleck first when he wins best director.
It's looking likely, but check the Apollo 13 stats.
Henry Gale
02-03-2013, 08:06 PM
At this point, I'd just like something completely out of left field and devoid of any real-world or industry politics to do a quiet sweep of the major categories. Amour or Life of Pi would be my ideal choices to do this, but if anything realistically can, it's Silver Linings.
Rowland
02-03-2013, 08:07 PM
I like Argo about equally to ZDT, so I won't mind it winning, though all of these accolades and awards from Hollywood insiders are beginning to seem ickily self-congratulatory. My ideal winners so far would be Django or even Life of Pi, both of which are naturally all but out of the race.
Ezee E
02-03-2013, 08:12 PM
Sasha Stone's reactions on twitter were pretty hilarious to me. She seems like she wants to quit the blogging thing because Lincoln isn't winning.
I really have no idea how some of these bloggers are able to travel to all these festivals and have the time to write. Surely, awardsdaily.com doesn't get that much revenue?
Henry Gale
02-03-2013, 08:19 PM
Most years there's the distinction between nominated films that audiences really loved and mostly just critics / awards groups admired, but I'm shocked at just how well almost all of the Best Picture did:
Lincoln -- $170,787,000
Django Unchained -- $150,979,000
Les Miserables -- $141,523,000
Argo -- $120,443,000
Life of Pi -- $106,059,000 (and by far the biggest worldwide at $548,459,000)
Silver Linings Playbook -- $80,378,000
Zero Dark Thirty -- $77,798,000
Beasts of the Southern Wild -- $11,756,048
Amour -- $2,488,000
Who needs Skyfall?
baby doll
02-04-2013, 03:46 AM
Life of Pi -- $106,059,000 (and by far the biggest worldwide at $548,459,000)I'm guessing that's in large part because it was a huge hit in China and the other nominees haven't opened here yet.
Robby P
02-04-2013, 05:32 AM
I'm assuming it's very popular in India as well.
number8
02-06-2013, 05:25 PM
Watched all the live-action shorts last night. Asad was the best. It'll probably win, too, unless they REALLY want to be super predictable about the fact that they're made up of geriatric voters and go with Henry.
Dukefrukem
02-12-2013, 09:10 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18eg23811dwoajpg/original.jpg
Fezzik
02-13-2013, 07:55 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18eg23811dwoajpg/original.jpg
This is really cool. I love the one for Schindler's List. Very appropriate.
Winston*
02-13-2013, 08:08 PM
Is the one for Crash supposed to be black?
Fezzik
02-13-2013, 08:17 PM
Is the one for Crash supposed to be black?
Ah crap. I think so. Wow. That's...uncomfortable.
number8
02-13-2013, 08:24 PM
To be fair, what other defining thing did that movie have?
Fezzik
02-13-2013, 08:37 PM
To be fair, what other defining thing did that movie have?
Hype?
Seriously, though, I thought that movie was about racial relations. It wasn't completely about black people. There were other races in it too.
Winston*
02-13-2013, 08:39 PM
It's funny that Gandhi and Virgil Tibbs are both still gold.
Irish
02-13-2013, 08:41 PM
Seriously, though, I thought that movie was about racial relations. It wasn't completely about black people. There were other races in it too.
Now try and figure out a way to express a concept like "race relations" on this kind of poster.
Winston*
02-13-2013, 08:43 PM
Now try and figure out a way to express a concept like "race relations" on this kind of poster.
Dude holding a statuette of St. Christopher.
Boner M
02-14-2013, 12:29 AM
Gold man tumbling down a staircase?
Winston*
02-14-2013, 12:47 AM
Gold man tumbling down a staircase?
Gold pile of shit? AMIRITE MATCH CUT?!!!
Mysterious Dude
02-14-2013, 12:30 PM
I watched the live-action short films that were nominated. They were mostly mediocre.
The show was "hosted" by Luke Matheny, who won the award last year and is just a complete douchebag. He said nothing about the nominated films, talked only about himself and obviously put no thought or preparation into what he was going to say.
number8
02-14-2013, 02:22 PM
I watched the live-action short films that were nominated. They were mostly mediocre.
The show was "hosted" by Luke Matheny, who won the award last year and is just a complete douchebag. He said nothing about the nominated films, talked only about himself and obviously put no thought or preparation into what he was going to say.
That's not really his fault. The hosts for the animated and documentary ones did the exact same thing. They were obviously instructed to talk about their experience rather than the shorts being shown.
baby doll
02-14-2013, 03:16 PM
My five favorite Oscar Winners:
1. The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987)
2. The Deer Hunter (Michael Cimino, 1978)
3. Schindler's List (Steven Spielberg, 1993)
4. The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946)
5. Rebecca (Alfred Hitchcock, 1940)
Ten more that I can live with: Casablanca (Michael Curtiz, 1942); On the Waterfront (Elia Kazan, 1954); The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960); Lawrence of Arabia (David Lean, 1962); Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969); The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972); Annie Hall (Woody Allen, 1977); Amadeus (Miloš Forman, 1984); No Country for Old Men (Ethan and Joel Coen, 2007); The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2009).
Irish
02-14-2013, 07:42 PM
My five favorite Oscar Winners:
1. The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987)
2. The Deer Hunter (Michael Cimino, 1978)
3. Schindler's List (Steven Spielberg, 1993)
4. The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946)
5. Rebecca (Alfred Hitchcock, 1940)
I don't know why I'm shocked by this list, but I am shocked by this list. :eek:
Irish
02-14-2013, 07:52 PM
My favorites:
1. Casablanca
2. The Best Years of Our Lives
3. From Here to Eternity
4. The Bridge on the River Kwai
5. The Godfather Part II
Runners up: It Happened One Night, Gone with the Wind, The Apartment, The Godfather, Annie Hall, Kramer vs. Kramer, Amadeus, Unforgiven, Shakespeare in Love, Crash
dreamdead
02-14-2013, 07:53 PM
My Five favorite:
1. Annie Hall
2. The Deer Hunter
3. The Apartment
4. Amadeus
5. Casablanca
And only Allen's would compete for a top 100 spot for me. It Happened One Night and The Best Years of Our Lives are likewise solid. Otherwise, I can always name at least one other film that I think was more substantial or valuable from that year.
Melville
02-14-2013, 08:04 PM
1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. Schindler's List
3. Unforgiven
4. The Godfather
5. The Godfather Part II
The top 3 are in my top 20, or close to it.
Watashi
02-14-2013, 11:44 PM
My favorites:
Crash
The shit?
Irish
02-14-2013, 11:48 PM
The shit?
I absolutely cheered when "Crash" won. CHEERED.
number8
02-14-2013, 11:48 PM
You are banned now.
Watashi
02-14-2013, 11:49 PM
1. Annie Hall
2. The Apartment
3. The Godfather
4. Amadeus
5. Casablanca
Irish
02-14-2013, 11:50 PM
You are banned now.
:lol: Figured you want to gather up a crowd and pass out some pitchforks and torches before running me off!
And the five best Best Picture nominees are:
All Quiet On the Western Front
The Last Emperor
West Side Story
The Deer Hunter
No Country For Old Men
The worst is easily Slumdog. Easily. Straight, clear country mile easy.
amberlita
02-15-2013, 03:25 AM
My 5 favorite BP winners:
1. The Shawshank Redemption
2. Apocalypse Now
3. The Right Stuff
4. Fargo
5. Goodfellas
Oh, wait...
ledfloyd
02-15-2013, 03:36 AM
1. Annie Hall
2. The Apartment
3. The Godfather
4. No Country for Old Men
5. Casablanca
transmogrifier
02-15-2013, 03:39 AM
Doing a best Best Picture list is like doing a best of Peter Travers....slim pickin's. I haven't even seen the last two, and don't intend to.
Sven is wrong though - Crash is by far the worst that I have seen.
Derek
02-15-2013, 04:14 AM
:lol: Figured you want to gather up a crowd and pass out some pitchforks and torches before running me off!
We're just going to shove you down some stairs. That'll cure you!
Crash and Slumdog are equally atrocious. I can't think of any other BP winners that would come close.
Boner M
02-15-2013, 04:39 AM
1. The Best Years of Our Lives
2. The Apartment
3. No Country For Old Men
4. Midnight Cowboy
5. Annie Hall
6. Mothlight
Irish
02-15-2013, 04:46 AM
We're just going to shove you down some stairs. That'll cure you!
:lol:
Crash and Slumdog are equally atrocious. I can't think of any other BP winners that would come close.
The Greatest Show on Earth? The Sound of Music? Oliver? Forrest Gump? The English Patient? Gladiator?
transmogrifier
02-15-2013, 04:56 AM
The last three are a million times better than Crash. (I haven't seen the first three)
Ivan Drago
02-15-2013, 05:18 AM
My five favorite Best Picture winners:
1. Amadeus
2. The Godfather
3. Lawrence of Arabia
4. American Beauty
5. Schindler's List
baby doll
02-15-2013, 07:31 AM
I don't know why I'm shocked by this list, but I am shocked by this list. :eek:Not a Bertolucci fan?
Irish
02-15-2013, 07:52 AM
Not a Bertolucci fan?
From what little I've seen, I could take "Last Tango" and leave the rest. "Last Emperor" was just beautiful, but to be honest I don't remember much of the story. "Sheltering Sky" was an endurance test, and Bert just belabored his point (or maybe that originated with Bowles).
I think I was most surprised by your inclusion of "Last Emperor" and "Best Years," because people don't seem to talk about those movies much nowadays and both of them seem under appreciated. "Schindler" surprised me because it's overwrought, awfully sentimental, and the kind of movie I detest from a director I don't have a lot of respect for.
Then again, maybe I'm just shocked at seeing you make any kind of list featuring English language titles. ;)
number8
02-15-2013, 12:43 PM
Gladiator is pretty fucking bad.
Hey, you guys know me. Do you think I'd like Silver Linings Playbook? Am thinking about seeing it today, but my hesitations are detouring me from commitment...
DavidSeven
02-15-2013, 04:57 PM
Hey, you guys know me. Do you think I'd like Silver Linings Playbook? Am thinking about seeing it today, but my hesitations are detouring me from commitment...
Depends on how much you might enjoy a fairly rote romantic comedy mixed with Russell's aesthetic choices from The Fighter. My guess is your dislike of Slumdog probably doesn't bode well for this one.
I think the number of outright haters is pretty minimal, though. Most of the detractors, myself included, just find the overwhelming acclaim and awards hype surrounding it a little perplexing. I say give it a look. I'd be interested to see your reaction, especially since it has some surprising supporters at MC.
baby doll
02-15-2013, 04:57 PM
Hey, you guys know me. Do you think I'd like Silver Linings Playbook? Am thinking about seeing it today, but my hesitations are detouring me from commitment...I don't know you and have no idea whether or not you'll like it. All I can say is that I liked it.
Watashi
02-15-2013, 05:22 PM
I think I was most surprised by your inclusion of "Last Emperor" and "Best Years," because people don't seem to talk about those movies much nowadays and both of them seem under appreciated. "Schindler" surprised me because it's overwrought, awfully sentimental, and the kind of movie I detest from a director I don't have a lot of respect for.
Schindler's List is overwrought and sentimental, yet Crash isn't?
Grouchy
02-15-2013, 05:26 PM
This is just Best Picture, right? Best Foreign-Language Picture doesn't count? Because otherwise 8 1/2 would be my #1.
1. All About Eve
2. Casablanca
3. Unforgiven
4. Midnight Cowboy
5. The Silence of the Lambs
The '70s were so amazing. A film like Midnight Cowboy getting the top prize is unthinkable today.
Raiders
02-15-2013, 05:33 PM
1. Lawrence of Arabia
2. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
3. The Godfather
4. The Silence of the Lambs
5. Unforgiven
Irish
02-15-2013, 10:08 PM
Schindler's List is overwrought and sentimental, yet Crash isn't?
"Crash" is overwrought to a specific purpose. I wouldn't call it sentimental. "Schindler" is overwrought and sentimental because Spielberg can't help himself.
@Sven: Yes! Go see "Silver Linings."
Irish
02-15-2013, 10:40 PM
The '70s were so amazing. A film like Midnight Cowboy getting the top prize is unthinkable today.
True. But look at the other nominations: "Anne of the Thousand Days," "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," "Hello, Dolly!", and "Z" (which won Best Foreign Language Film). Talk about a weak year.
That's what I like about this year's noms; the award could legitimately go to just about all of the nominated pictures. It's a helluva good year. Tough competition.
Qrazy
02-15-2013, 10:49 PM
True. But look at the other nominations: "Anne of the Thousand Days," "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," "Hello, Dolly!", and "Z" (which won Best Foreign Language Film). Talk about a weak year.
That's what I like about this year's noms; the award could legitimately go to just about all of the nominated pictures. It's a helluva good year. Tough competition.
Butch Cassidy and Z are great and I haven't seen the other two.
number8
02-15-2013, 10:54 PM
Hello Dolly is my jam, yo.
Irish
02-15-2013, 10:58 PM
Butch Cassidy and Z are great and I haven't seen the other two.
Agreed, but "Z's" class as a foreign language film puts it out of the running. "Butch" is a good movie. It's lotsa fun. But I don't think that it's quite 'Best Picture' material, though.
VILWkqlQLWk
^ This 3 minute (!!!) interlude is seriously pukey.
Hello Dolly is my jam, yo.
:D
Llopin
02-16-2013, 01:38 PM
Oscar winners from the last ten years haven't been deserving of the prize.
Still, can't wait for Oscar night, I've already got my Oscar bingo cards printed ^_^
baby doll
02-16-2013, 03:50 PM
That's what I like about this year's noms; the award could legitimately go to just about all of the nominated pictures. It's a helluva good year. Tough competition.Personally I was pretty disappointed by Amour; I suppose my expectations were a tad high, but not more so than for Caché and The White Ribbon. On the other hand, I rather liked Beasts of the Southern Wild and Silver Linings Playbook. (Of the six I haven't seen, I'll see Django Unchained as a matter of course because it's a Tarantino film, and Zero Dark Thirty to see what all the fuss is about, but I have little interest in seeing Argo, Life of Pi, or Lincoln, and no desire whatsoever to see Les Misérables.)
My ten favorite foreign language winners:
Bicycle Thieves (Vittorio De Sica, 1948)
Nights of Cabiria (Federico Fellini, 1957)
Mon oncle (Jacques Tati, 1958)
The Virgin Spring (Ingmar Bergman, 1960)
8 1/2 (Federico Fellini, 1963)
Z (Costa-Gavras, 1969)
Le Charme discret de la bourgeoisie (Luis Buñuel, 1972)
La Nuit américaine (François Truffaut, 1973)
Amarcord (Federico Fellini, 1974)
A Separation (Asghar Farhadi, 2011)
Irish
02-17-2013, 04:33 AM
Personally I was pretty disappointed by Amour; I suppose my expectations were a tad high, but not more so than for Caché and The White Ribbon. On the other hand, I rather liked Beasts of the Southern Wild and Silver Linings Playbook. (Of the six I haven't seen, I'll see Django Unchained as a matter of course because it's a Tarantino film, and Zero Dark Thirty to see what all the fuss is about, but I have little interest in seeing Argo, Life of Pi, or Lincoln, and no desire whatsoever to see Les Misérables.)
We share similar sentiments. I was dreading "Lincoln" and only saw it for Daniel Day Lewis' performance. No desire to see ''Pi" or "Les Mis". I think you're making the right call on "Argo"; it doesn't strike me as your kind of movie at all. I think you'd be bored to tears by it.
Extremely interested in any write-up you do for "Django."
My ten favorite foreign language winners:
Suddenly it occurs to me I haven't seen nearly enough of the BFP award winners. I like your list. I'd probably tack on "Life is Beautiful" on the end there somewhere, if it were mine.
Lucky
02-17-2013, 03:28 PM
Cinema Paradiso would be on my list. After scanning the list of winners I'm shocked that Amelie didn't win its respective year.
MadMan
02-19-2013, 04:14 AM
Its a week before the Oscars and I just realized I have no idea who's going to win anything. I haven't been this out of the loop with the awards since 2005.
NickGlass
02-19-2013, 07:49 PM
Essential viewing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAiTk38Cucs&feature=player_embedded
Lucky
02-19-2013, 09:15 PM
There's no way I can make it through 45 min of these guys. I don't understand how the old guy is criticizing the Oscars when his Top 10 is a near regurgitation of the best picture nominees. Care to summarize the rest?
Irish
02-19-2013, 09:33 PM
Peter Boyle there has "Far from Heaven" as his number one for the 2000s.
PITCHFORKS! TORCHES!
He says that numerical placement doesn't matter in his top 50, but still --
PITCHFORKS! TORCHES!
Edit: I love the fact that these guys are sitting in a diner handicapping the Oscars. Fun. :D
Irish
02-19-2013, 10:35 PM
Great vid.
Sam got a little carried away. His predictions mean that he thinks "Amour" is going to walk away with 3-4 major awards, and there's no way that's going to happen. It'll get Best Foreign and that's it.
The other guy seemed up on "The Master," but I think its chances are slim to none. Its producer is an outsider, and nobody is going to forgive Phoenix for his bizarre "I'm Not There Stunt" this quickly, if ever.
They're holding their nose and predicting "Argo," but I still can't see how it'll win over "Lincoln." It would mean splitting Picture/Director again and whatever the feelings around Spielberg, I can't see the Academy doing that to him a second time.
So I think "Lincoln" will win Best Pic, and "Argo" will get Best Adapted as a consolation prize.
My longshot hope is that "Silver Linings Playbook" sweeps the acting awards.
Ezee E
02-19-2013, 11:07 PM
If Argo doesn't win, that'll be the biggest surprise, ever possibly.
Watashi
02-19-2013, 11:53 PM
I think Best Supporting Actor and the two screenplay categories are the only toss-ups.
Director is likely going to Spielberg, but I wouldn't be surprised if Haneke swooped in and took it.
Irish
02-19-2013, 11:55 PM
I dunno. The Academy is grudging when it comes to Spielberg, but awarding "Argo" means an automatic Best Pic/ Best director split.
With his history, I can't really see the Academy delivering another soft 'fuck you' to Spielberg. (They pasted him on "The Color Purple," ignored him on "Empire of the Sun," and split the vote on "Private Ryan." The only time he locked both awards was on "Schindler," and in that case, there really was no other choice.)
Spielberg probably considers Oscars like butterfly farts. Would be surprised if a snub would rub him any kind of way.
Irish
02-20-2013, 12:33 AM
Spielberg probably considers Oscars like butterfly farts. Would be surprised if a snub would rub him any kind of way.
You don't get to his level without being competitive. And anybody who is competitive is going to want to win, and win big.
So I'd say the opposite -- Spielberg already has everything anyone could ever want. Professional success. Massive popular relevance. A gross ton of money. What's left? More accolades, and at his age, legacy.
If Spielberg wins for a third time, he'll be at the top of the heap, at the level of John Ford, William Wyler, and Frank Capra. That's a helluva company to keep.
Ezee E
02-20-2013, 01:06 AM
If it isn't Spielberg, I'd figure Ang Lee. Haneke seems like the bottom of the list to me. What makes you think that Wats?
Watashi
02-20-2013, 01:22 AM
His film got nominated for Picture, Director, Actress, and Screenplay. He's far from a token nom.
Irish
02-20-2013, 01:43 AM
If it isn't Spielberg, I'd figure Ang Lee. Haneke seems like the bottom of the list to me. What makes you think that Wats?
Lee has won recently, or at least more recently than Spielberg. He's also not white. Not sure if lightning will strike twice there, especially given the other players on the field.
His film got nominated for Picture, Director, Actress, and Screenplay. He's far from a token nom.
If I'm reading the stats right, a Haneke win would be a first for a foreign-born director, based off the work of a foreign-language film. That might happen, but since the Academy tends to favor home-grown efforts, I think it's a longer shot.
I'm not sure how much noms in other categories will come into play where 'Best Director' is concerned. I mean, Benh Zeitlin has just as much of a chance as Haneke if you look at it that way. ("Beasts" has nominations in Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Actress).
Watashi
02-20-2013, 01:49 AM
If I'm reading the stats right, a Haneke win would be a first for a foreign-born director, based off the work of a foreign-language film. That might happen, but since the Academy tends to favor home-grown efforts, I think it's a longer shot.
Does Bernardo Bertolucci count?
Watashi
02-20-2013, 01:51 AM
Also, Michel Hazanavicius won Best Director last year with almost an entire foreign cast (granted they didn't speak). It just shows you don't need to be a prestigious heavyweight to win the award. Though I would say Haneke is very well respected in the Academy circle.
number8
02-20-2013, 02:13 AM
You guys talk more like bookies than movie fans.
Irish
02-20-2013, 02:16 AM
Does Bernardo Bertolucci count?
I don't think he does. "The Last Emperor" is not a 'foreign-language' film.
Edit:
Obscure Oscar factoid: Every director nominated the year Bertolucci won was foreign-born:
Bernardo Bertolucci (Italy)
Lasse Hallstrom (Sweden)
Norman Jewison (Canada)
Adrian Lyne (British)
John Boorman (British)
Irish
02-20-2013, 02:20 AM
Also, Michel Hazanavicius won Best Director last year with almost an entire foreign cast (granted they didn't speak). It just shows you don't need to be a prestigious heavyweight to win the award. Though I would say Haneke is very well respected in the Academy circle.
That's a good point. In a way, I think that might even hurt Haneke's chances more, though (as the Academy might be less likely to give 'foreign' movies and directors major awards in two years running).
baby doll
02-20-2013, 05:32 AM
The only time he locked both awards was on "Schindler," and in that case, there really was no other choice.)The Piano isn't anything to sneeze at.
Irish
02-20-2013, 05:34 AM
The Piano isn't anything to sneeze at.
Anything is, when it's up against real human horror, immense historical cruelty, and dead children.
Edit: I can't see them bypassing "Schindler" for "The Piano," based on the subject matter alone. I really can't see them snubbing Spielberg and crowning Campion as the first female Best Director in 1993.
Although, to your point, Altman and "The Piano" were probably the only serious runner-up contenders for their respective awards, though.
number8
02-20-2013, 05:18 PM
Life of Pi grossed more than Lincoln or Django? Huh. Must be that 3D money.
http://i.imgur.com/gbFXi5f.jpg
Watashi
02-20-2013, 05:22 PM
I keep forgetting that Amy Adams has been nominated for four Oscars. All in the past 7 years. Crazy.
Winston*
02-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Life of Pi grossed more than Lincoln or Django? Huh. Must be that 3D money.
Life of Pi is a huge international hit.
Irish
02-20-2013, 05:29 PM
Life of Pi grossed more than Lincoln or Django? Huh. Must be that 3D money.
Played big in China. Both "Django" and "Lincoln" brought in more money domestically but, unsurprisingly, didn't do as well abroad.
dreamdead
02-20-2013, 05:31 PM
I keep forgetting that Amy Adams has been nominated for four Oscars. All in the past 7 years. Crazy.
I think the arc of her and Chastain's careers are going to be incredible. Both seem amenable to character acting and I hope that the Hollywood age train doesn't stall their ability to make interesting choices. It's rather amazing that Adams has already achieved so much in the sheer number of nominations (though I have no interest to ever watch Doubt) yet has had so little buzz this go-around.
for the tl;dr crowd: Redheads ftw.
Watashi
02-20-2013, 05:34 PM
Doubt is pretty good. Much better than Junebug or The Fighter.
Watashi
02-20-2013, 06:45 PM
An Oscar Voter's Brutally Honest Ballot (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/oscar-voters-brutally-honest-ballot-422546)
The Oscar voter:
William Friedkin
Irish
02-20-2013, 07:12 PM
Holy shit. That's pure gold.
"Amour is immediately disqualified -- it's just a woman dying, and there's no real story, and it made me feel like shit. There's only so much diaper-changing that I can tolerate. Django? If Tarantino had never made a film and this was his first screenplay, I might consider voting for him, but he's made the same movie eight times. Moonrise Kingdom? It's a personal thing, but I don't like this guy's movies."
Ezee E
02-20-2013, 07:19 PM
Trying to see the similarities of Jackie Brown and Django.
number8
02-20-2013, 07:24 PM
I love watching the special features on Friedkin's movies because he always shows up extensively in every feature and talks like a fucking lunatic. Of this, he and Tarantino are kin.
DavidSeven
02-20-2013, 07:28 PM
I find myself agreeing strongly with a good chunk of what he said in that piece.
Only major head-scratcher is his casting a vote in the Animated Short category based solely on hearing good things about one short.
Mr. McGibblets
02-20-2013, 10:01 PM
What horrible thing did Jennifer Lawrence do on SNL?
Irish
02-20-2013, 10:10 PM
What horrible thing did Jennifer Lawrence do on SNL?
She made jokes in her opening monologue about the other noms for Best Actress. Broad humor, mostly harmless.
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Lucky
02-20-2013, 10:30 PM
Man, that was some flat delivery. She completely missed the bipolar element of dissing the actresses then praising them at the end.
transmogrifier
02-20-2013, 10:35 PM
Just goes to show what a waste of time the Oscars really are. Some choice quotes:
"[Had not seen any of the films, but had heard good things about Paperman so he voted for it.]"
"That leaves Lincoln, which I don’t feel is the best-directed film of the year -- there’s nothing innovative about it -- but I’m swept away with the gravity of the subject matter......... Plus, Spielberg deserves an Oscar every 10 years or so out of respect for what he does for the industry."
"So I guess it’s between ParaNorman and Wreck-It Ralph. So… [At this time he assigned the screen side of his iPhone to the former and the back side of it to the latter, and spun it on his desk.]"
"Lincoln is going in my second slot; it’s a bore, but it’s Spielberg, it’s well-meaning, and it’s important."
"Jennifer Lawrence I was on the fence about, but she lost me with that Saturday Night Live bit; I thought it was mean-spirited and shows a lack of maturity on her part."
DavidSeven
02-20-2013, 10:40 PM
I haven't seen most of the other films, but I feel comfortable in saying that the K. Bigelow (Zero Dark Thirty) snub is a fucking travesty.
Having now seen them all, except Amour, this is an even bigger sham than I originally thought. Nominations for Russell and Zeitlin over Bigelow are especially egregious. This one only bothers me because ZDT because of the conspiculously timed smear campaign. It had the pedigree and enough pre-awards hype to pick up the directing nod and remain in contention for BP.
DavidSeven
02-20-2013, 10:44 PM
Just goes to show what a waste of time the Oscars really are. Some choice quotes:
Yeah, his voting logic bothers me. My strong agreements with him are more related to his opinions of the actual films, though I disagree with him on Django.
Boner M
02-20-2013, 10:50 PM
How do we know it's Friedkin's ballot? Find it hard to fathom the director of Killer Joe complaining about Haneke's misanthropy.
Irish
02-20-2013, 10:53 PM
Having now seen them all, except Amour, this is an even bigger sham than I originally thought. Nominations for Russell and Zeitlin over Bigelow are especially egregious. This one only bothers me because ZDT because of the conspiculously timed smear campaign. It had the pedigree and enough pre-awards hype to pick up the directing nod and remain in contention for BP.
Bigelow and O'Russell both deserve to be there, but for completely different reasons. Bigelow made a razor-sharp, technically proficient movie. O'Russell got a half-dozen actors of varying age and experience to trust him implicitly. Those are two different skill sets, and neither feat is easy to pull off.
The uneven number of noms across these two categories means somebody will always be snubbed. Ten Best Picture noms feels increasingly ridiculous, though.
Grouchy
02-21-2013, 12:23 AM
Wow, William Friedkin is an idiot.
Spinal
02-21-2013, 05:02 AM
That was hilarious. I'm tempted to document my Match Cut voting in a similar fashion.
MadMan
02-21-2013, 07:55 AM
Django? If Tarantino had never made a film and this was his first screenplay, I might consider voting for him, but he's made the same movie eight times. Moonrise Kingdom? It's a personal thing, but I don't like this guy's movies."Wow. Just....its a good thing the guy who wrote that gave us The Exorcist, because otherwise it would get a 100% :rolleyes: from me instead of an 85% one.
Also Spinal whatever you write can't be any more ridiculous than most of that.
angrycinephile
02-21-2013, 09:22 AM
"He's a friend of mine and he makes great films. There was a film he made a few years ago called Caché that I watch over and over again and see different details every time I watch it" - Willaim Friedkin on Michael Haneke in this interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRGIaKrMuHY).
So I don't think it's him.
MadMan
02-21-2013, 10:00 AM
I hope that's the case, because someone that smart would know that QT has not made the same movie over and over again. Now you can make the argument that Django is very similar to Basterds, and you wouldn't be too far off (I wouldn't disagree probably). But the rest of QT's filmography? Hell no.
transmogrifier
02-21-2013, 10:30 AM
I really hope it turns out to be someone you'd least expect.
Like Malick or something.
Kurosawa Fan
02-21-2013, 10:37 AM
I don't understand the decision to not vote for Ang Lee for director because of the religious message at the end, but then voting for Life of Pi for adapted screenplay. Trans is right, if this ballot shows anything, it's how trivial and arbitrary these awards truly are.
Irish
02-21-2013, 11:09 AM
@angrycinephile - It's got to be him. The Hollywood Reporter might be a trade rag, but even trade rags don't invite libel suits.
@Madman - I don't think he meant the Tarantino jab literally. He's pointing out the narrow focus and stylistic similarity in QT's work. I don't think that's unfair. To look at it another way: You could say the same sort of thing about Woody Allen, because he keeps talking about the same kind of things in the same kind of way.
@KF - It's an awards show. A three hour advertisement for the movies. Academy people are industry. There's almost this perception that they're supposed to be sequestered in celluloid towers, living off a diet of unproduced scripts and nitrate dust. I've never quite understood that. Sure, the awards are flawed, arbitrary, uneven and political. But when you get right down to it, what human activity isn't? Even given all the bullshit, the Oscars can still be fun in a good year. For my money, this is a great year. The best we've had in the last ten.
Boner M
02-21-2013, 01:55 PM
@angrycinephile - It's got to be him. The Hollywood Reporter might be a trade rag, but even trade rags don't invite libel suits.
Huh? The HR article doesn't mention whose ballot it was.
Boner M
02-21-2013, 02:00 PM
Also, Friedkin's Criterion top ten (http://www.criterion.com/explore/185-william-friedkin-s-top-10) and comments are completely at odds with the tone of the anonymous voter.
number8
02-21-2013, 02:29 PM
Wats was the one who said Friedkin, not THR. You guys... just believed him.
Spinal
02-21-2013, 02:35 PM
I'm surprised at how seriously some of you seem to be taking this.
Boner M
02-21-2013, 02:37 PM
I'm surprised at how seriously some of you seem to be taking this.
I'm defending Friedkin's honor is all.
Raiders
02-21-2013, 02:48 PM
Friedkin's name is the one with the speculation. It strikes me likely as someone older with a lot of history with cinema but with enough verve and youth to call bullshit on the Academy in general. There also is clearly passion in what he likes and doesn't like and clearly this is meant to be taken with a huge grain of salt. A lot of the comments and actions strike me as someone taking the piss out of the entire voting process. The "It's Spielberg, it's important" line and his repetition of the film as a history lesson bore but getting his vote anyway is hilarious to me and I don't think is meant to be someone actually justifying their position.
The director here called out to THR. It seems obvious a point is trying to be made here. I found it awesomely entertaining.
"Alphabet Wallis" :lol:
Pop Trash
02-21-2013, 03:08 PM
"Alphabet Wallis" :lol:
Oh come on. That was just shitty.
angrycinephile
02-21-2013, 03:41 PM
Friedkin just tweeted:
THR interview is not me nor are these my views. I don't hide behind anonymity.
Watashi
02-21-2013, 03:42 PM
Wats was the one who said Friedkin, not THR. You guys... just believed him.
I got it from Twitter. Twitter never lies.
number8
02-21-2013, 04:18 PM
Good god, i forgot just how bad this was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ0XGi_LVOU
Raiders
02-21-2013, 04:27 PM
Oh come on. That was just shitty.
Taken in the context of the tone of the piece, it's hilarious. If it was meant in all seriousness, of course it is, but I think the crassness of it is intentional.
Then again, this could be a "Trapped in the Closet" moment. This could all be sincere, and would ultimately probably be even more entertaining and valuable for it. But I maintain this was all quite intentional.
number8
02-21-2013, 04:31 PM
Here's the THR piece from yesterday that got me to watch that horrific debacle again.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-rob-lowes-snow-white-422225
"She had a look on her face, if I remember correctly, of pain," Martin Landau tells THR. Nominated that year for best supporting actor for Tucker: The Man and His Dream, Landau, now 84, was one of the few who gave Bowman a warm reception. "It wasn't her fault," recalls Landau. "I empathized with her. Poor Snow White. She didn't have the dwarves to support her."
By the time a kick line of movie theater ushers sang, "Whenever you're down in the dumps, try putting on Judy's red pumps," the audience had endured all they could take. As the camera panned the room, Robert Downey Jr.'s look of disgust summed up the reaction.
In its review, The New York Times declared the show had earned "a permanent place in the annals of Oscar embarrassments." Carr was uniformly shunned at industry canteen Morton's the following day. Disney, which then had no stake in ABC, was furious over the unauthorized use of its copyrighted version of Snow White and filed a lawsuit against the Academy. And 17 Hollywood heavyweights -- among them Paul Newman, Gregory Peck, Julie Andrews and Billy Wilder -- signed an open letter deriding the telecast as "an embarrassment to both the Academy and the entire motion picture industry."
amberlita
02-21-2013, 05:01 PM
I'm with Raiders on this. I'm not entirely convinced it's not a completely manufactured satirical piece. If Stephen Colbert were voting in the Academy, this is the sort of article he would write. Funniest thing I've read all week.
Ezee E
02-21-2013, 05:31 PM
The guy hates on Lawrence, and then uses the exact same joke on Wallis.
Hilarious to me.
Irish
02-21-2013, 08:07 PM
I .. I feel so violated. I feel duped.
Watashi tricked me with his anti-Friedkin smear campaign. :(
Pop Trash
02-21-2013, 08:32 PM
Good god, i forgot just how bad this was.
That's really weird. I remember the 1989 Oscar opening number totally different:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyDWNT0TnZE
Spinal
02-21-2013, 08:58 PM
I'm with Raiders on this. I'm not entirely convinced it's not a completely manufactured satirical piece.
Hating on the universally loved Sally Field might lend support to this theory. Although I do think she was nothing special in that movie.
transmogrifier
02-21-2013, 09:06 PM
Actually Field and Jacki Weaver are two of the acting noms I just don't get.
MadMan
02-21-2013, 10:33 PM
@Madman - I don't think he meant the Tarantino jab literally. He's pointing out the narrow focus and stylistic similarity in QT's work. I don't think that's unfair. To look at it another way: You could say the same sort of thing about Woody Allen, because he keeps talking about the same kind of things in the same kind of way.Yeah I realized I was just negatively reacting due to being a huge QT fanboy. I got unfairly defensive, I guess.
And yes I'll admit I was fooled. At least I wasn't fooled twice, I think :P
Oh and I'm not watching that entire 1989 opener clip. That looked horrible from the start. Poor Vincent Price.
Irish
02-21-2013, 10:50 PM
Actually Field and Jacki Weaver are two of the acting noms I just don't get.
Watch her when she's not the focus of a scene. That character must've read like less than nothing on the page, but she made it something.
And yes I'll admit I was fooled. At least I wasn't fooled twice, I think :P
We were both betrayed by that villain, Watashi.
elixir
02-21-2013, 10:54 PM
The Weaver nomination is actually a joke. It is nothing. Same with Arkin.
Irish
02-21-2013, 11:25 PM
The Weaver nomination is actually a joke. It is nothing. Same with Arkin.
I don't understand how you can say Weaver's nom is a joke with any degree of confidence. She's not a marquee player, having spent almost all of her career in her native Australia. So it's not a token thing. Her counterpoint in "Silver Linings" was DeNiro. DeNiro! (I can understand if you lost a bit of respect for him in the last few years, but c'mon! He's still DeNiro). Everything she does in that movie is subtle and supportive of what DeNiro is doing.
Arkin is trickier to lock down. It's easy to get lost in the 'gruff old man' persona he's cultivated. I think part of his nom is payback, because he's been in the business for forty years but has gone mostly unappreciated until the last ten. And I suspect part of his performance might contain some sly in-jokes. In terms of how he's placed in "Argo," I think he provides a good contrast. His character and Goodman's are the only source of light in an otherwise tense, grim story.
If you don't like those noms, who do you think is more deserving? Toss out a few names that weren't nominated.
Winston*
02-21-2013, 11:35 PM
Juno Temple gave the best supporting actress performance of 2012.
elixir
02-21-2013, 11:41 PM
She was recently nominated for an Oscar. But I don't really care about that, or how big her name is or whatever...I meant it was a joke in relation to the (quality of the) performance. I don't think there's anything she really did for the role to garner any praise whatsoever. I didn't think DeNiro was all that good either. (The Lawrence nomination I get, even if I don't agree with it, for example.) In the Matchies, I voted for: Cécile de France (The Kid with a Bike), Cody Horn (Magic Mike) Celine Sallette (A Burning Hot Summer). I would add Jenifer Ehle (Zero Dark Thirty), maybe, and IDK Kate Lyn Sheil (The Comedy). Maybe one of the girls in Damsels in Distress. Kind of a weak year, based on what I've seen at least.
"Argo fuck yourself" is the worst written line in the history of cinema. I'm not sure if I'm being hyperbolic. Again, to me, Arkin is deserving of nothing but a shrug. The source of lightness was a consistent eye-roller. BSAs I voted for: Simon Russell Beale (The Deep Blue Sea), Matthew McConaughey (Magic Mike), Bruce Willis (Moonrise Kingdom). Jason Clarke from ZDT is also worthy.
There's still some movies I need to see. I wouldn't a lot of these to have a chance at nomination.
DavidSeven
02-21-2013, 11:41 PM
Juno Temple gave the best supporting actress performance of 2012.
This.
Had to look up who Weaver played in Silver Linings. It wasn't immediately clear to me which female role, aside from Lawrence's, would have been up for a nomination.
number8
02-21-2013, 11:44 PM
I don't even think DeNiro should have been nominated. Lawrence and Cooper neither, for that matter, but hey, they're playing mentally ill people. Wouldn't want to sully an Oscar tradition.
Juno Temple gave the best supporting actress performance of 2012.
Also, this is correct.
elixir
02-21-2013, 11:45 PM
I have some problems with the film, but most of the performances in Killer Joe are very good.
Irish
02-21-2013, 11:46 PM
I don't think there's anything she really did for the role to garner any praise whatsoever. I didn't think DeNiro was all that good either.
Based on what? I mean, what's your criteria for judging a performance?
"Argo fuck yourself" is the worst written line in the history of cinema.
I agree. It's a stupid line. But I also can't think of too many people outside of Arkin that could play that line with any degree of energy or fun. And he does.
elixir
02-21-2013, 11:50 PM
Based on what? I mean, what's your criteria for judging a performance?
I don't have a single criteria. It depends on the film, for one. It's rare that bad acting will take away from a film for me (though it can!), but I am happy to notice a good performance--and/or presence--and it can increase enjoyment for me or whatever. I was thinking about making a thread with my favorite actors and I could explain how I view acting more there, I guess...
When I say the Weaver nomination is a joke, I mean it. Like, it's not that she was bad, but there's nothing good or interesting or worthwhile there (to me). It's pretty much nothing, like I said.
Watashi
02-21-2013, 11:56 PM
I think I finally cracked Irish's obsession with Silver Linings Playbook.
Irish is David O. Russell.
Irish
02-21-2013, 11:58 PM
Juno Temple gave the best supporting actress performance of 2012.
Good pick. I don't think this approaches best. It's a strong character and a well defined performance, if somewhat flashy, in a trashy kind of movie.
I was thinking about making a thread with my favorite actors and I could explain how I view acting more there, I guess..
Do it! I like this idea.
When I say the Weaver nomination is a joke, I mean it. Like, it's not that she was bad, but there's nothing good or interesting or worthwhile there (to me). It's pretty much nothing, like I said.
Yeah. I gotta say to you what I said to trans: Watch her when she's not the focus of the scene.
Irish
02-21-2013, 11:59 PM
I think I finally cracked Irish's obsession with Silver Linings Playbook.
Irish is David O. Russell.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post of the day, Wats.
elixir
02-21-2013, 11:59 PM
You say that as if it's self-justifying. I did watch the film, engaging myself as much as I could (and I'm rarely bored during a film, so it was easy). Anyway, there's no way I'm watching the movie again.
DavidSeven
02-22-2013, 12:02 AM
Irish is David O. Russell.
We are all his Lily Tomlin.
Boner M
02-22-2013, 12:10 AM
I really hope the THR piece isn't manufactured because I'm wracking my brain over who it could be. Probably a journeyman who made middlebrow/prestige films in the 80's. Bruce Beresford?
Irish
02-22-2013, 12:14 AM
We are all his Lily Tomlin.
:lol: :lol:
I really hope the THR piece isn't manufactured because I'm wracking my brain over who it could be. Probably a journeyman who made middlebrow/prestige films in the 80's. Bruce Beresford?
You're assuming it's just one person. Staffers could have compiled quotes from different people, who were speaking on background or off the cuff in casual environments.
Then reshaped those quotes so they had a single editorial voice.
transmogrifier
02-22-2013, 01:06 AM
Watch her when she's not the focus of a scene. That character must've read like less than nothing on the page, but she made it something.
It's less than nothing on the page and on the screen and that holds true for all of the characters.
Sxottlan
02-24-2013, 06:30 AM
So as good a time as any for my usual Oscar rant: It's pretty clear by now that Academy members have no intention of honoring the spirit of the new rule of nominating more than five films for Best Picture. The idea was publicly stated to be for nominating a wider variety of films. Instead, members have appeared to give the Academy the middle finger and nominate more of the same kind of films. Most likely the Academy doesn't really care. Their second rule change appears to help further exclude genre films.
And in years like 2012, it's very frustrating. Here we have two mega blockbusters that many people seemed to love (with tomato-meter ratings higher than several of the actual nominees if that means anything to you). One was the groundbreaking culmination of a series of disparate comic book films into one cohesive film, the first time I can think of where anything like this was ever done. And done well. The other was the latest installment in the most successful film franchise in history with the biggest single box office intake of that series. Involving a huge A-list Hollywood cast & crew. On the franchise's 50th anniversary too. I mean, what the fuck do these movies have to do to get some Best Picture love?
This is where I can hate Hollywood and how self-involved it is. Even when you're getting big names in big genre hits, they're still genre films that don't "say" anything. Except to tell a well-crafted, good story in an entertaining manner. The nominations of Avatar, District 9 and Inception were a tonic, but I'm already thinking we're not ever going to see another sci-fi film nominated after those. The first two were in the first year of the expanded category (and I think the only time we actually saw a list that the Academy was going for). Inception, as much as I loved it, felt like it had a lot of Dark Knight guilt behind it. Then again, given what they've nominated lately, maybe the whole Dark Knight reaction is a complete myth and it was always only ever about Ledger's death.
I guess I'll root for Django Unchained when it comes to the Best Picture race. Since no one asked, here's my ratings for all of the nominated films:
Django Unchained: ****
Argo: ***1/2
Zero Dark Thirty: ***
Amour: ***
Life of Pi: ***
Silver Linings Playbook: **1/2
Lincoln: **1/2
Le Miserables: **1/2
Beasts of the Southern Wild: **1/2
Irish
02-24-2013, 08:30 AM
Here are my unvarnished picks, clipped from an email:
Foreign Film - Fuck you, Haneke. Why isn't "Holy Motors" on this list?
Animated Film - Everything in this category is terrible. Usually, I can hold my nose and pick something, but really, these movies all suck. (I didn't see "Frankenweenie" because Tim Burton can blow me).
Adapted Screenplay - "Argo," as a consolation prize, even though the last act of "Argo" is mostly shit, right on the page. But should probably be Kushner for "Lincoln," for turning a dry subject into something remotely watchable.
Original Screenplay - "Zero Dark Thirty," as another consolation prize. I hope. I could see this swinging toward "Amour" if they really want to twist the knife in Bigelow's back. (If Tarantino gets more than 10 votes in this category and I find out, there will be trouble.)
Cinematography - "Pi," but I'd rather see "Skyfall" get it. Best looking Bond movie I've seen, one of the best looking movies this year. And not dependent on F/X. Plus, it'd just be neat to see a Bond movie up there.
Supporting Actress - Hathaway is the front runner. But fucking hell, watch Weaver in "Silver Linings Playbook." That's a role that must've read like less than nothing on the page, but she makes it something. Nobody understands why she got the nom, but I think there are hints if you watch her in "SLP" when she's NOT the focus of the scene. Really strong choices from somebody playing a character with rote dialogue and minimal screen time.
Supporting Actor - I hope it's Robert DeNiro, but Tommy Lee is something of a favorite here. This is the toughest category to call with all these guys.
Actress - FUCK YEAH, Jennifer Lawrence. If you liked her in "Winter's Bone," you will LOVE her in "Silver Linings." There's a choice she makes close to the second act climax that's just brilliant and INSANELY subtle (I only noticed it after seen in the movie for a third time). Really exciting to watch.
Actor - Daniel Day-Lewis, no question. Deserves it. Day-Lewis makes the rest of the guys in this category look like flakes, like guys trying out for a role in their high-school musical.
Director - Steven Spielberg. But I want David O'Russell. Not for any technical reason, but because he managed to get half a dozen actors of varying age and experience to trust him implicitly. That's a different skill set than somebody like, say, Stanley Kubrick or Alfred Hitchcock. But it's still important, and it's still valuable, and it's just as rare if not rarer than the guy with massive technical chops.
Picture - "Lincoln." It's the most Oscar-baity of the the bunch. "Zero Dark Thirty" was the best made. "Silver Linings" was the most human.
I really didn't see a lot this year, but "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Silver Linings Playbook" were favorites, because they had ambition and tried to say something real, and they tried to do it in popular formats.
Winston*
02-24-2013, 10:30 AM
Watched all the Best Picture nominees apart from Argo, which I guess is the front runner. Zero Dark Thirty, Amour and Life of Pi are best, and Silver Linings Playbook, Les Miserables and Beasts of the Southern Wild are worst.
transmogrifier
02-24-2013, 10:57 AM
Meh is the word. I still want to see Amour, I'll never watch Les Mis.
ZDT - 74
Argo - 69
Life of Pi - 64
Django - 58
Lincoln - 54
Beasts - 52
SLP - 42
Llopin
02-24-2013, 11:09 AM
good: Amour, Zero Dark Thirty
bearable: Les Miserables, Life of Pi, Lincoln, Django Unchained
eh: Beasts of the Southern Wild
crap: Argo, Silver Linings Playbook
Rowland
02-24-2013, 11:36 AM
I only really like one of the BP nominees, and even that film doesn't strike me as unequivocally great.
very good: Django Unchained
good: Argo, Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty
eh: Amour, Lincoln
crap: Beasts of the Southern Wild
interested in seeing: Silver Linings Playbook
don't make me watch it: Les Miserables
So as good a time as any for my usual Oscar rant: It's pretty clear by now that Academy members have no intention of honoring the spirit of the new rule of nominating more than five films for Best Picture. The idea was publicly stated to be for nominating a wider variety of films. Instead, members have appeared to give the Academy the middle finger and nominate more of the same kind of films. Most likely the Academy doesn't really care. Their second rule change appears to help further exclude genre films.
And in years like 2012, it's very frustrating. Here we have two mega blockbusters that many people seemed to love (with tomato-meter ratings higher than several of the actual nominees if that means anything to you). One was the groundbreaking culmination of a series of disparate comic book films into one cohesive film, the first time I can think of where anything like this was ever done. And done well. The other was the latest installment in the most successful film franchise in history with the biggest single box office intake of that series. Involving a huge A-list Hollywood cast & crew. On the franchise's 50th anniversary too. I mean, what the fuck do these movies have to do to get some Best Picture love?
This is where I can hate Hollywood and how self-involved it is. Even when you're getting big names in big genre hits, they're still genre films that don't "say" anything. Except to tell a well-crafted, good story in an entertaining manner. The nominations of Avatar, District 9 and Inception were a tonic, but I'm already thinking we're not ever going to see another sci-fi film nominated after those. The first two were in the first year of the expanded category (and I think the only time we actually saw a list that the Academy was going for). Inception, as much as I loved it, felt like it had a lot of Dark Knight guilt behind it. Then again, given what they've nominated lately, maybe the whole Dark Knight reaction is a complete myth and it was always only ever about Ledger's death.
This is pretty much how I feel, and something I've been ranting to friends about lately as well. It was interesting seeing movies you wouldn't typically see in such categories, the likes of Avatar, District 9, and Inception be placed up there on the best picture ballot along with all the usual Oscar stuff, but now it's just the same typical movies all across the board. If this keeps up, I'd honestly rather they just go back to 5 nominations, because it feels kinda pointless.
baby doll
02-24-2013, 02:19 PM
So as good a time as any for my usual Oscar rant: It's pretty clear by now that Academy members have no intention of honoring the spirit of the new rule of nominating more than five films for Best Picture. The idea was publicly stated to be for nominating a wider variety of films. Instead, members have appeared to give the Academy the middle finger and nominate more of the same kind of films. Most likely the Academy doesn't really care. Their second rule change appears to help further exclude genre films.I'm not a math guy (my brother is the rocket scientist in the family--I mean, literally), but I'm pretty sure that nine nominees is more than five. Spirit honored. I recall there being some vague hopes from the people who put on the broadcast that including some more popular movies in the nominee list would boost ratings for the award show, but to demand that hundreds of people voting for their personal preferences by secret ballot all make a concerted effort to pick more blockbusters seems to me rather ridiculous.
What's more, the three best picture nominees I've seen have all been pretty diverse: a sombre depiction of a rich old lady falling apart and dying; a grim fairy tale about Louisiana squatters; and a loveable romantic comedy about delusional optimism that practically radiates good vibes.
In any case, you won't hear any carping from me that Le Gamin au vélo wasn't nominated for anything, or that Barry Lyndon (one of my all-time favorites) lost to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (a minor Forman film, especially on the heels of Taking Off), because I'm secure enough in my own taste that I don't need the validation of a bunch of strangers. I suppose I could frame it more selflessly by saying that a nomination for the Dardennes would lead more people to seek out the film (not a case that you can really make for The Avengers, which cleaned up at the box office), but frankly, I don't really care if anyone else bothers to see it; I'm just happy that I saw it.
And in years like 2012, it's very frustrating. Here we have two mega blockbusters that many people seemed to love (with tomato-meter ratings higher than several of the actual nominees if that means anything to you).No, it really doesn't. Personally, I've seen more than enough super-hero movies and James Bond adventures for one lifetime, but I'm happy that you enjoyed The Avengers and Skyfall.
I mean, what the fuck do these movies have to do to get some Best Picture love?More votes.
This is where I can hate Hollywood and how self-involved it is. Even when you're getting big names in big genre hits, they're still genre films that don't "say" anything. Except to tell a well-crafted, good story in an entertaining manner. The nominations of Avatar, District 9 and Inception were a tonic, but I'm already thinking we're not ever going to see another sci-fi film nominated after those. The first two were in the first year of the expanded category (and I think the only time we actually saw a list that the Academy was going for). Inception, as much as I loved it, felt like it had a lot of Dark Knight guilt behind it.It seems to me that all four of the films you mentioned are movies that "say" something: We need to protect the environment, war is bad (but looks awesome in 3D), white guys make the best Native Americans, and technology equals boners; Apartheid was bad (but blowing apart aliens is super cool), and technology equals boners; reality is an illusion (but corporate power is objectively awesome--"I just bought a motherfuckin' airline, bitches!"), and technology equals boners; and the morality of Bush's war of terror is ambiguous enough that Hollywood filmmakers can avoid taking a stand on it and be celebrated for their seriousness, and technology equals boners.
Then again, given what they've nominated lately, maybe the whole Dark Knight reaction is a complete myth and it was always only ever about Ledger's death.That's gotta be it; his performance is terrible. But then, as Liz Lemon put it, this is the show that tells us how much to care about different dead people based on the applause they get. As Sick Boy would put it, "It's a sympathy vote": Look how sad we are that Heath Ledger is dead. The actual merits of his performance are irrelevant.
MadMan
02-24-2013, 05:22 PM
This page actually encourages me to post here about the Oscars as well as on Twitter. Just to see more of baby doll's endless ranting about how movies give out boners :P
Watashi
02-24-2013, 05:22 PM
I totally forgot District 9 was nominated for Best Picture. Haha what the fuck.
MadMan
02-24-2013, 05:22 PM
I totally forgot District 9 was nominated for Best Picture. Haha what the fuck.It deserved it.
MadMan
02-24-2013, 05:24 PM
Also thanks to Twitter I now suspect that Irish is in fact Breton Easton Ellis, because he really really has a gigantic hard on for Silver Linings Playbook.
Pop Trash
02-24-2013, 07:53 PM
very good: Beasts of the Southern Wild, Django Unchained, Amour
good: Zero Dark Thirty
eh: Lincoln, Silver Linings Playbook
crap: none (no The Help this year; kudos Academy)
interested in seeing: Argo, Life of Pi
don't make me watch it: Les Miserables
MadMan
02-24-2013, 08:05 PM
Hah no one wants to see Les Miserables. Guess what: I don't want to view it either.
DavidSeven
02-24-2013, 09:51 PM
The Best Picture: Zero Dark Thirty
Great: Django Unchained
Good: Life of Pi
Eh: Argo, Silver Linings Playbook
Not good: Lincoln
UGH: Beasts of the Southern Wild
Still interested in: Amour
Probably won't see anytime soon: Les Misérables
ledfloyd
02-24-2013, 10:08 PM
Great: Zero Dark Thirty, Lincoln
Good: Amour, Silver Linings Playbook
Eh: Django Unchained, Argo, Life of Pi
Bad:
Horrible: Beasts of the Southern Wild
No Desire to See: Les Miserables
lwilson85
02-24-2013, 11:50 PM
I think Haneke will get Best Director possibly, but Sploogeberg will win Best Picture with Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.
dreamdead
02-24-2013, 11:55 PM
Argo seems like it'll have to take some of the sound categories to not look silly when it takes best film and nothing else.
And welcome back, lwilson!
lwilson85
02-25-2013, 12:11 AM
And welcome back, lwilson!
Thank you. I haven't really been big into film the last year or so. I'm still really not as big into it as I used to be, but maybe it'll change with time.
Dukefrukem
02-25-2013, 12:16 AM
Anyone see that interview with Jamie Foxx? What the hell?
The Bad Guy
02-25-2013, 12:18 AM
Great: Zero Dark Thirty, Amour, Django Unchained
Good: Silver Linings Playbook, Argo, Life Of Pi
Eh: Lincoln (fairly good, but "eh" to the bewildering acclaim it gets)
Bad: Beasts Of The Southern Wild
Horrible: Les Miserables
Dukefrukem
02-25-2013, 12:31 AM
Great opening line,.
Dukefrukem
02-25-2013, 12:38 AM
OMG MC is gonna hate this show.
MadMan
02-25-2013, 12:39 AM
I think Haneke will get Best Director possibly, but Sploogeberg will win Best Picture with Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.Wilson!
I hate this fucking show. I hate it. Fuck you Seth McDouchebag.
Sxottlan
02-25-2013, 12:42 AM
Okay, c'mon. The dryer shot was pretty funny.
MadMan
02-25-2013, 12:43 AM
The puppets were the only thing I laughed at.
Dukefrukem
02-25-2013, 12:44 AM
No complaints here. I'm loving it.
Sxottlan
02-25-2013, 12:48 AM
That was probably Arkin's longest monologue in that film.
Okay, c'mon. The dryer shot was pretty funny.
I'll give you that, and that's it.
Dukefrukem
02-25-2013, 12:50 AM
1 for 1
Christoph should only work w/ Tarantino, I guess.
Mr. McGibblets
02-25-2013, 12:51 AM
It's not really fair for Waltz to compete against people who actually were supporting actors.
MadMan
02-25-2013, 12:52 AM
No complaints here. I'm loving it.You're an idiot. That was shit.
Waltz winning is great. I don't know if he was more deserving, but I don't care.
No complaints here. I'm loving it.
Same. I thought that opening was great.
Dukefrukem
02-25-2013, 12:53 AM
You're an idiot. That was shit.
Waltz winning is great. I don't know if he was more deserving, but I don't care.
Umm OK. It was better than Billy Crystal last year that's fer sure.
MadMan
02-25-2013, 12:53 AM
Only on Match-cut.
My pick was Arkin. 0-1 heh.
slqrick
02-25-2013, 12:54 AM
Still feel like Leo was robbed of a nomination, but I'm happy that Django won something in a major category, because I don't think it'll do much later on.
Still feel like Leo was robbed of a nomination.
Oh, definitely.
number8
02-25-2013, 12:54 AM
A song about boobs. Well that was expected.
MadMan
02-25-2013, 12:56 AM
Umm OK. It was better than Billy Crystal last year that's fer sure.Nope, but Crystal was terrible too.
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