Match Cut Directors Consensus -- Year 3

[Ezee E]

This is the page where the rules and results are posted for the Directorial Consensus and where the list of upcoming directors is displayed. Feel free to discuss ratings, results and suggest upcoming directors within this thread.

The Rules of the Game:

How to post selections:

- Assign a rating to each film based on a scale of 1-10
- Half points may be used
- It is not necessary to rank the films. Instead, please post all lists in chronological order, starting with the earliest film.
- A film must be thirty (30) minutes in length to be counted.

For a film to be eligible for the director's overall rating, it must have at least four (4) votes. Otherwise, there isn't a sufficient amount of votes to make the rating as objective or effective as a film that has received twenty (20) votes. If a film is mentioned only once or twice, I will still post that film's average (quite easy if only mentioned once) but I wil separate it from the films that factor into the director's overall rating.

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Here is the plan for the year. Naturally, let me know if you have any problems with any of the weeks and they may or may not be looked at. Obviously, every director could not fit. I may have picked a director that we already used. If so, let me know.

Discuss!

Week 1 to be posted February 3rd. Voting will begin then.


WEEK 1: Ridley Scott (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=34283#post342 83) (2/3-2/9) by Ezee E
WEEK 2: Walter Hill (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=530) (2/10-2/16) by Raiders
WEEK 3: Peter Greenaway (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=570&page=2) (2/17-2/23) by Ezee E
WEEK 4: Kiyoshi Kurosawa (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=611) (2/24-3/1) by Raiders
WEEK 5: Robert Rodriguez (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=638) (3/2-3/8) by Ezee E
WEEK 6: Johnny To (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=667) (3/9-3/15) by Raiders
WEEK 7: Abel Ferrera (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=49419#post494 19) (3/16-3/22) by Ezee E
WEEK 8: Tsui Hark (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=709) (3/23-4/12) by Raiders
WEEK 9: Danny Boyle (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=746&page=2) (4/6-4/12) by Ezee E
WEEK 10: Robert Wise (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=58053#post580 53) (4/13 – 4/19) by Raiders
WEEK 11: Bela Tarr (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=806) (4/20-4/26) by Ezee E
WEEK 12: Takeshi Miike (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=836&page=3) (4/27-5/3) by Ezee E
WEEK 13: Sam Fuller (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=64332#post643 32) (5/4-5/10) by dreamdead
WEEK 14: Farrelly Brothers (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=65941#post659 41) (5/11-5/17) by Ezee E
WEEK 15: Jane Campion (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=908&page=2) (5/18-5/24) by dreamdead
WEEK 16: Bernardo Bertolucci (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=70064#post700 64) (5/25-5/31) by Ezee E
WEEK 17: Todd Haynes (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=950&highlight=Todd+Haynes) (6/1-6/7) by dreamdead
WEEK 18: Hal Ashby (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=972) (6/8-6/14) by Ezee E
WEEK 19: Jonathan Demme (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=986) (6/15-6/21) by dreamdead
WEEK 20: Jason & Ivan Reitman (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=75933#post759 33) (6/22-6/28) by Ezee E
WEEK 21: Mike Leigh (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1020) (6/29-7/5) by dreamdead
WEEK 22: Andrei Tarkovsky (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1031&page=2) (7/6-7/12) by Ezee E
WEEK 23: Jean-Pierre Jeunet (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=82403#post824 03) (7/13-7/19) by dreamdead
WEEK 24: Nicholas Ray (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1084&page=2) (7/20-7/26) by Ezee E
WEEK 25: Alan Resnais (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1112) (7/27-8/2) by dreamdead
WEEK 26: D.W. Griffith (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1143&page=2) (8/3-8/9) by Ezee E
WEEK 27: Wolfgang Petersen (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1156) (8/10-8/16) by dreamdead
WEEK 28: John Cassavetes (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1179&page=2) (8/17-8/23) by Ezee E
WEEK 29: David Mamet (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1203) (8/24-8/30) by dreamdead
WEEK 30: Jacques Tati (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1229&page=2) (8/31-9/6) by Ezee E
WEEK 31: PIXAR Films (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1250) (9/7-9/13) by dreamdead
WEEK 32: Michael Haneke (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=98766#post987 66) (9/14-9/20) by Ezee E
WEEK 33: Barry Levinson (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1296&page=2) (9/21-9/27) by dreamdead
WEEK 34: Mario Bava (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1321&page=2) (9/28-10/4) by Ezee E
WEEK 35: Hal Hartley (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1348) (10/5-10/11 by dreamdead
WEEK 36: Marx Brothers (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1362) (10/12-10/18) by Ezee E
WEEK 37: John Woo (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1381) (10/19-10/25) by dreamdead
WEEK 39: *Classic Monster Week (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=109101#post10 9101) (10/26-11/1) by Ezee E
WEEK 38: Tony Scott (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1421&page=3) (11/2-11/8) by dreamdead
WEEK 40: Alexander Payne (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1436&page=2) (11/9-11/15) by Ezee E
WEEK 41: Christopher Nolan (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1453) (11/16-11/22) by dreamdead
WEEK 42: Michaelangelo Antonioni (http://match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1467) (11/23-11/29) by Ezee E
WEEK 43: Alan Parker (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1512) (11/30-12/6) by dreamdead
WEEK 44: Marc Forster (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1552&page=2) (12/7-12/13) by Ezee E
WEEK 45: Anthony Mann (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1599) (12/14-12/20) by dreamdead
WEEK 46: Sergio Leone (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=126998#post12 6998) (12/21-12/27) by Ezee E
WEEK 47: Peter Weir (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1686&page=2) (12/28-1/3) by dreamdead

[Ezee E]

37. Secrets & Lies (1996) - 9.000 (14)
36. Shoeshine (1946) - 9.000
35. Dr. Strangelove (1964) - 9.012
34. The Sweet Hereafter (1997) - 9.017
33. Pulp Fiction (1993) - 9.020
32. My Life To Live - 9.029
31. In the Mood for Love (2000) - 9.034
30. Seven Samurai (1954) - 9.041
29. To Be Or Not To Be (1942) - 9.063
28. Throne of Blood (1957) - 9.067
27. Umberto D (1952) - 9.075
26. Paths of Glory (1957) - 9.088
25. The Goat (1921) - 9.091
24. Double Indemnity ((1944) - 9.094
23. Sunset Blvd (1950) - 9.097
22. El (1953) 9.1
21. Little Dieter Needs To Fly (1997) - 9.125
20. High and Low (1963) - 9.150
19. Schindler’s List (1993) - 9.150
18. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) - 9.156
17. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly (1966) - 9.166
16. Mulholland Drive (2001) - 9.174
15. Satan's Tango (1994) - 9.2
14. Apocalypse Now (1979) - 9.205
13. Rear Window (1954) - 9.207
12. Manhattan (1979) - 9.213
11. Late Spring (1949) - 9.214
10. Do The Right Thing (1989) - 9.346
9. Los Olvidados (1950) - 9.357
8. The Godfather (1972) - 9.390
7. Annie Hall (1977) - 9.420
6. Sunrise (1927) - 9.469
5. Fargo (1996) - 9.476
4. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - 9.500
3. Sherlock, Jr. (1924) - 9.528
2. Casablanca (1942) - 9.532
1. Citizen Kane (1941) - 9.553

[Ezee E]

Ridley Scott:
1.Alien -- (8.82/37)
2.Blade Runner -- (8.44/35)
3.The Duelists -- (7.90/5)
4.Gladiator -- (6.82/38)
5.Matchstick Men – (6.19/29)
6.Black Hawk Down – (6.15/27)
7.Legend -- (5.78/20)
8.American Gangster – (5.73/13)
9.Thelma & Louise -- (5.71/24)
10.Kingdom of Heaven – (5.43/15)
11.Black Rain -- (5.36/7)
12.Hannibal -- (5.3/30)
13.White Squall -- (4.5/9)
14.G.I. Jane -- (4.08/13)
-Someone to Watch Over Me – (6.0/1)
-1492 -- (3.25/2)
-A Good Year – (2.17/3)
= 6.16

Walter Hill:
1. The Driver (1978) [8.40] [5]
2. Crossroads (1986) [7.88] [4]
3. The Warriors (1979) [7.65] [17]
4. Southern Comfort (1981) [7.58] [6]
5. Hard Times (1975) [7.50] [4]
6. 48 Hrs. (1982) [7.06] [8]
7. Brewster's Millions (1985) [5.07] [7]
8. Red Heat (1988) [4.40] [5]
9. Another 48 Hrs. (1990) [4.38] [4]
- Cutting Cards [10.00] [1]
- The Man Who Was Death [9.00] [1]
- Streets of Fire [8.00] [2]
- The Long Riders [7.83] [3]
- Trespass [7.75] [2]
- Broken Trail [7.50] [1]
- Johnny Handsome [7.00] [1]
- Deadline [7.00] [1]
- Last Man Standing [6.83] [3]
- Wild Bill [6.50] [1]
- Undisputed [6.33] [3]
- Extreme Prejudice [6.00] [2]
- Geronimo: An American Legend [5.83] [3]
Rating: 6.657


PETER GREENAWAY:
1.Drowning by Numbers – 8.94 (8)
2.A Zed & Two Noughts – 8.85 (17)
3.The Falls – 8.38 (8)
4.The Draughtman’s Contract – 8.21 (14)
5.The Belly of an Architect – 7.86 (7)
6.The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, & Her Lover – 7.84 (19)
7.The Tulse Luper Suitcases – 7.63 (4)
8.Prospero’s Books – 7.33 (12)
9.The Baby of Macon – 7.30 (5)
10.The Pillow Book – 7.27 (11)
11.A Walk Through H – 6.75 (4)
12.8 ½ Women – 6.42 (6)
13.Vertical Features Remake – 6.5 (7)
-Death is the Seine – 10 (1)
-A TV Dante – 7.25 (2)
-Vaux to the Sea – 8.0 (1)
-From Sark to the Finish – 7.0 (1)
-Nightwatching – 4.5 (2)
RATING: = 7.56

KIYOSHI KUROSAWA
1. Cure (1997) [8.37] (19)
2. Séance (2000) [8.13] (8)
3. Doppelganger (2003) [8.05] (11)
4. Pulse (2001) [7.86] (21)
5. Bright Future (2003) [7.65] (13)
6. Charisma (1999) [6.44] (8)
7. Retribution (2006) [5.17] (6)
- License to Live (1998) [8.00] (3)
- Serpent's Path (1998) [8.00] (3)
- Eye of the Spider (1998) [8.00] (2)
- Barren Illusions (1999) [7.00] (1)
- Loft (2005) [5.00] (2)
- The Excitement of Do-Re-Mi-Fa Girl (1985) [4.00] (1)
- The Guard from the Underground (1991) [4.00] (1)
=7.38

[Raiders]

E, you're going to need to do 4/27-5/3 if you can. I'm gone that entire week.

Also, do you want me to bring in the results from the first year and a half to this thread, or create another one?

EDIT: Also, what about the directors we didn't get to last year? I'd hate to think some, namely Fuller, have to wait a whole 'nother year after being voted in that time.

[Ezee E]

E, you're going to need to do 4/27-5/3 if you can. I'm gone that entire week.

Also, do you want me to bring in the results from the first year and a half to this thread, or create another one?

EDIT: Also, what about the directors we didn't get to last year? I'd hate to think some, namely Fuller, have to wait a whole 'nother year after being voted in that time.
Yeah, we'll just have to blank out 4/27-5/3 as I'll also be out.

Can you PM me last year's directors that we didn't get to?

Feel free to post in the results from the first year and a half and put them in the third post. Is there a character limit at all?

[Ezee E]

It begins.

Sam Fuller in for Week 13. It was previously marked as a week off.

[dreamdead]

Greenaway fanatics (aka Spinal)--if I've seen The Cook, the Thief..., The Pillow Book, A Zed and Two Noughts, Prospero's Books, and Draughtman's Contract, am I missing anything essential that should be queued up immediately-like for Week 3's consensus?

[Spinal]

Greenaway fanatics (aka Spinal)--if I've seen The Cook, the Thief..., The Pillow Book, A Zed and Two Noughts, Prospero's Books, and Draughtman's Contract, am I missing anything essential that should be queued up immediately-like for Week 3's consensus?

Drowning By Numbers is essential, but difficult to track down.

[chrisnu]

Drowning By Numbers is essential, but difficult to track down.
I was just going to post this :)

It's on Karagarga, and I've got it! I should watch it this week.

[dreamdead]

Drowning By Numbers is essential, but difficult to track down.

Hmm, not sure if I can locate that from the Illinois libraries, but I'll check tomorrow. Would you recommend either 8 1/2 Women or Belly of an Arcihtect?

[Sycophant]

Just a thought... could we possibly shift Haneke to later in the year, considering he's got his Funny Games remake which should just be rolling out across the US during the time his consensus is scheduled?

Love that we're doing these again by the way. Thanks, Raiders and E!

[Ezee E]

Whoever wants to switch Haneke with someone choose so. It must be after May. First come, first serve.

[EyesWideOpen]

Why don't you switch Haneke with Johnny To?

[Spinal]

Would you recommend either 8 1/2 Women or Belly of an Arcihtect?

I would recommend them insofar as they are Greenaway films and are therefore definitely worth your time. I do not think they represent his best work, although I find a lot to like about 8 1/2 Women. Belly of an Architect is probably my least favorite Greenaway feature, but it certainly isn't bad.

[Ezee E]

Why don't you switch Haneke with Johnny To?
Done.

[dreamdead]

Wondered if E and Raiders will allow for updates and additional ratings after the initial week or if this is just a "watch in that week" and no updates thereafter?

I can see myself getting interested in Johnnie To's films, but doubt I'll get to more than Election before his week is done...

[Ezee E]

I will allow additional ratings as I'm trying to catch up on some myself.

[Skitch]

Ryuhei Kitamura would be a fun director to add to this mix.

[Ezee E]

Who will have the first movie to make the Hall of Fame this year? A 9 rating is pretty dang tough.

[Watashi]

Who will have the first movie to make the Hall of Fame this year? A 9 rating is pretty dang tough.
I'm sure something from Leone will be up there.

Why is he so far down the list anyway?

[Ezee E]

I'll try to update these every two months:


For Kiyoshi:
Bright Future - 4

For Greenaway:
A Zed & Two Noughts - 6.5

[Ezee E]

Grr... I updated the hall of fame movies, and tried fitting in all the directors, but it only lets you put in 10000 characters. If you click cancel, it takes away everything.

Oh well. At least the HOF is there.

[dreamdead]

For Kiyoshi:
Bright Future - 4

For Greenaway:
A Zed & Two Noughts - 6.5

:sad: I think I'm gonna have to ask you to never watch any film I love. At least we'll always have Kubrick...

[Ezee E]

I'm sure something from Leone will be up there.

Why is he so far down the list anyway?
No reason. Keep the year interesting the whole way I guess.

[Ezee E]

:sad: I think I'm gonna have to ask you to never watch any film I love. At least we'll always have Kubrick...
Eh, that's nothing new. :)

Zed seemed like a Bunuel mixed in with Kubrick though. I just don't care for that humor.

[Raiders]

E, just to let you know, we already have results for Bresson at the old site. So, if there is a director you want to swap in for him, feel free.

EDIT: Might I suggest Joe Dante?

[Ezee E]

E, just to let you know, we already have results for Bresson at the old site. So, if there is a director you want to swap in for him, feel free.

EDIT: Might I suggest Joe Dante?
Any suggestions from others, or is Bresson fine?

[Eleven]

Ivan and Jason Reitman? Isn't that like mucking up John Cassavetes' rating by adding in Nick's?

[Ezee E]

Ivan and Jason Reitman? Isn't that like mucking up John Cassavetes' rating by adding in Nick's?
You'd have to add Zoe too. Duh.

[Eleven]

You'd have to add Zoe too. Duh.

And Xan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0144018/).

[Qrazy]

Any suggestions from others, or is Bresson fine?

Clouzot.

[Russ]

Leo McCarey

[Stay Puft]

Any suggestions from others

Shinya Tsukamoto

[Watashi]

Bryan Singer, Wim Wenders, George Miller or Bob Fosse

[Spinal]

George Miller or Bob Fosse

Yes.

[Watashi]

Yes.
No likey Wim Wenders?

[Spinal]

No likey Wim Wenders?

Only seen 2 films.

[Raiders]

What's going on? I was only suggesting we remove Bresson as he has already been done and put another director in his place. I think we should leave the rest of the list as is, since E took this on and created the list.

[Ezee E]

What's going on? I was only suggesting we remove Bresson as he has already been done and put another director in his place. I think we should leave the rest of the list as is, since E took this on and created the list.
Those are simply suggestions for who should replace Bresson.

[Raiders]

Those are simply suggestions for who should replace Bresson.

Yeah, I realize that now.

[Watashi]

Where is To?

[dreamdead]

I suppose my attempt to pimp Rohmer for that Bresson spot would fall on deaf ears, with myself and Llopin being the only two real fans...

[Raiders]

I suppose my attempt to pimp Rohmer for that Bresson spot would fall on deaf ears, with myself and Llopin being the only two real fans...

Say what?

[dreamdead]

Say what?

Oops. Forgot that you have Summer/Green Ray on your top 100. That said, most here have only watched the Six Moral Tales, and this could be good incentive to expand on his work.

[origami_mustache]

Shinya Tsukamoto

seconded

[Qrazy]

Oops. Forgot that you have Summer/Green Ray on your top 100. That said, most here have only watched the Six Moral Tales, and this could be good incentive to expand on his work.

Yeah Rohmer sounds good. I need some recs.

[Watashi]

I haven't seen a single Hark film, what should I check out? I assume the OUATIC trilogy?

[Qrazy]

I haven't seen a single Hark film, what should I check out? I assume the OUATIC trilogy?

Hit up D Davis top 100. He's probably his biggest fan here and pimps a bunch of his films. I've seen and think Peking Opera Blues is fairly highly regarded.

[D_Davis]

I haven't seen a single Hark film, what should I check out? I assume the OUATIC trilogy?

Films Netflix carries...:

We're Going to Eat You
OUATIC 1-3
Green Snake
Seven Swords
Twin Dragons

I haven't heard yet if we are going to include produced/co-directed by (Tsui is a hands on producer, and often ends up directing large portions of the films he produces/creates/writes).

[Rowland]

I haven't seen a single Hark film, what should I check out? I assume the OUATIC trilogy?I only recommend the original OUATIC, the sequels didn't do so much for me. Otherwise, Green Snake is really good, and there's always Double Team... ;)

[Qrazy]

Films Netflix carries...:

We're Going to Eat You
OUATIC 1-3
Green Snake
Seven Swords
Twin Dragons

I haven't heard yet if we are going to include produced/co-directed by (Tsui is a hands on producer, and often ends up directing large portions of the films he produces/creates/writes).

No love for Peking Opera Blues?

[dreamdead]

No love for Peking Opera Blues?

Netflix doesn't carry a copy. Ergo, no D_Davis mention of it.:cool:

[Qrazy]

Netflix doesn't carry a copy. Ergo, no D_Davis mention of it.:cool:

Ah... Trial rating should be higher.

[Qrazy]

We could really use a Seijun Suzuki consensus.

[D_Davis]

So I am still kind of wondering how we are going to handle Tsui's consensus, seeing as how he is such a hands-on producer, or, more correctly, a co-director.

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/directors/03/tsui.html


Tsui admits that he is too much of a hands-on producer, often dictating every single detail of every single shot to the ostensible director. John Woo and Tsui Hark both claim they were working on A Better Tomorrow for years before they met and, given Woo's Hollywood successes, he can probably butt heads with the best of them.That said, it's best to consider A Better Tomorrow 1 and 2, and The Killer as 50% Tsui Hark and 50% John Woo. In this essay I will refer to all of the films he produced and directed but for a breakdown of his specific roles in each, please refer to the Filmography.

It's kind of a unique situation here.

Especially since most people consider the Swordsman and Chinese Ghost Story trilogies to be "Tsui Hark films" even though they were "directed" by Ching Siu Tung. It is often argued that Ching handled the action elements and Tsui handled everything else.

[Ivan Drago]

Weekend:

Leatherheads
Horton Hears A Who!

[soitgoes...]

Scott:
American Gangster - 6.5

[Ezee E]

I'll get back on this sometime today.

[Ezee E]

Since we fell behind a little, I just had Tati replace Bresson.

[Ezee E]

Hmm... An idea for the first week of next year is to do new films by directors we've completed that came out after their consensus. What do you guys think?

[dreamdead]

Any recs. on what to check out from Ashby and Bertolucci (beyond Last Tango and Conformist)?

[Ezee E]

Any recs. on what to check out from Ashby and Bertolucci (beyond Last Tango and Conformist)?
How about anything that Bertolucci has done?

[Yxklyx]

Any recs. on what to check out from Ashby ...

Harold and Maude
Being There

that was easy.

[Spinal]

How about anything that Bertolucci has done?

Stealing Beauty? Little Buddha? Not good films.

[Ezee E]

Stealing Beauty? Little Buddha? Not good films.
Touche. Haven't seen them, but anything else by him I have liked so far.

[Melville]

Any recs. on what to check out from Ashby and Bertolucci (beyond Last Tango and Conformist)?
I quite liked both The Last Emperor and The Dreamers.

[Ezee E]

dreamdead is going to help me out with this once he gets out of school, and will take Raiders' spot.

Rep for dreamdead!

I'm also getting all the scores from Raiders, and plan on making a blogspot site out of it.

Any suggestions/ideas/etc?

[Boner M]

Viagra UK doesn't have enough films available on Netflix... but I see no problem with the rest.

[Ezee E]

Viagra UK doesn't have enough films available on Netflix... but I see no problem with the rest.
Order viagra is a director worthy of Hall of Fame status.

[Raiders]

I won't be here starting tomorrow through next Saturday. So, I'll post my meager Miike stuff here:

Audition - 7.5
Ichi the Killer - 4.0

[Ezee E]

Satan's Tango added to the greats.

[Spinal]

Satan's Tango added to the greats.

And yet, only four people have seen it.

[Ezee E]

And yet, only four people have seen it.
Probably the reason it's there. One bad rating, and away it goes.

[origami_mustache]

can someone link me to year 1 & 2 results if it exists?

[Raiders]

can someone link me to year 1 & 2 results if it exists?

:: sigh ::

They do at the old site. I am trying to get all my spreadsheets together and give them to E, but I have to get my old computer up and running first and it is currently in storage as I am still unpacking since moving in to the new house like, four months ago.

[origami_mustache]

:: sigh ::

They do at the old site. I am trying to get all my spreadsheets together and give them to E, but I have to get my old computer up and running first and it is currently in storage as I am still unpacking since moving in to the new house like, four months ago.

cool I found what I was looking for.

[Stay Puft]

Will dreamdead be going back and tallying the Johnny To and Tsui Hark threads? I hate to leave them hanging like this. E hasn't even linked the Tsui Hark thread on the main page.

[dreamdead]

Will dreamdead be going back and tallying the Johnny To and Tsui Hark threads?

If Raiders doesn't have them tallied, then I suppose that I will get to them, though it'll probably be a few weeks from now, as I've still got a final and mucho grading to do before shipping back off to Ohio for the summer.

I do feel bad for Tsui Hark...

[Ezee E]

If Raiders doesn't have them tallied, then I suppose that I will get to them, though it'll probably be a few weeks from now, as I've still got a final and mucho grading to do before shipping back off to Ohio for the summer.

I do feel bad for Tsui Hark...
Tsui Hark and Johnny To...

Raiders hates Asians.

[Raiders]

Oh yeah, I never did do those two. I'll get 'em dreamdead. Give me a couple days.

[Ezee E]

The Big Red One - 8

[soitgoes...]

Wise:
The Andromeda Strain - 6.5

[Stay Puft]

Tsui Hark and Johnny To...

I'm still curious to see the results for these.

If y'all are too busy, I'll gladly tally them myself. Unless there are objections. I don't want to step on anybody's toes.

[Qrazy]

I'm still curious to see the results for these.

If y'all are too busy, I'll gladly tally them myself. Unless there are objections. I don't want to step on anybody's toes.

I have a couple grades to add for To.

[Ezee E]

I'm still curious to see the results for these.

If y'all are too busy, I'll gladly tally them myself. Unless there are objections. I don't want to step on anybody's toes.
Go for it.

[Ezee E]

Anyone have any problem with me dropping David Mamet lower while we wait for Redbelt to come out on DVD?

First person to nominate a switch gets it.

[Spinal]

Anyone have any problem with me dropping David Mamet lower while we wait for Redbelt to come out on DVD?

First person to nominate a switch gets it.

Branagh.

[Ezee E]

Branagh.
Well, he has to be on the list already. It's just a swap. Sorry repmaster.

[Watashi]

Well, he has to be on the list already. It's just a swap. Sorry repmaster.
Mike Leigh

[Stay Puft]

I just noticed the release date for Benjamin Button is Dec. 19th. We should bump David Fincher to the very last week to accommodate, barring better suggestions.

[Ezee E]

Mike Leigh

Done


I just noticed the release date for Benjamin Button is Dec. 19th. We should bump David Fincher to the very last week to accommodate, barring better suggestions.

And done.

[soitgoes...]

Have we not done a consensus for Michael Powell yet? I thought one was scheduled for this year, but apparently I was mistaken. He should definitely be at the top of the list when making up next year's consensuses.

[Ezee E]

Thanks Raiders.

Something Wild - 9

Had I known that Ray Liotta was in this, I'd probably have seen it long ago.

[MadMan]

I completely forgot about this thread, and that you could post ratings for films you had seen even after the consensus threads had ended. I'll remember that from now on...

Farrelly Brothers:
Dumb and Dumber(1994)-9.0
Stuck On You(2003)-7.5

Ivan Reitman: Stripes(1981)-9.0

[Ezee E]

From Kurious Jorge:

Ghostbusters - 7.5
Ghostbusters II - 6
Thank You For Smorking - 5
Juno - 2

[Boner M]

A few additions:

For Tarr: Sátántangó - 9.5
For Ashby: The Last Detail - 8.5
For Scott: The Duellists - 8

And if these count, ratings for the new To and K. Kurosawa, respectively: Sparrow - 7.5 / Tokyo Sonata - 9

[Izzy Black]

A few additions:

For Tarr: Sátántangó - 9.5
For Ashby: The Last Detail - 8.5
For Scott: The Duellists - 8

And if these count, ratings for the new To and K. Kurosawa, respectively: Sparrow - 7.5 / Tokyo Sonata - 9

I must know. What kept Sátántangó from earning that prized .5 for the 10.

[Boner M]

I must know. What kept Sátántangó from earning that prized .5 for the 10.
Well, I never give 10's so soon after watching. Also, I have to admit it took a while for the darkly comic tone to click for me; for a while I was reading it merely as Tarkovsky-esque lugubriousness. Other than that, it's the best film I've seen all year so far.

[Izzy Black]

Well, I never give 10's so soon after watching. Also, I have to admit it took a while for the darkly comic tone to click for me; for a while I was reading it merely as Tarkovsky-esque lugubriousness. Other than that, it's the best film I've seen all year so far.

Fair enough.

Few points, if I may, since we are here - while I think there is a comedic tone in some areas, by the end of the film, it registers more lugubrious to me than in the earlier half of the film. It is earlier in the film that I find moments a bit comedic and ironic, especially with all the shifting perspectives and aimlessness. There are some really tragic events in the last half, however. (But, to be fair, one recalls the typewriter scene in the final act that stands out as perhaps the most darkly comedic and chilling moment in the film.)

Moreover, I do not think Tarr is gloomy in the way Tarkovsky is, which is not to suggest you think otherwise, but I am not sure he qualifies for an -esque in this vein anymore than say Antonioni, Bergman, or Bresson for that matter. Tarkovsky is rather wistful and melancholic, where I find Tarr gothic and dreadful.

[Boner M]

Moreover, I do not think Tarr is gloomy in the way Tarkovsky is, which is not to suggest you think otherwise, but I am not sure he qualifies for an -esque in this vein anymore than say Antonioni, Bergman, or Bresson for that matter. Tarkovsky is rather wistful and melancholic, where I find Tarr gothic and dreadful.
Yeah, I have to admit the whole film really clicked once I stopped viewing it with any sort of reference point in mind... I guess the cynic in me thinks anything made in the 90's and beyond doesn't deserve its own space to be understood within, heh.

[Izzy Black]

Yeah, I have to admit the whole film really clicked once I stopped viewing it with any sort of reference point in mind... I guess the cynic in me thinks anything made in the 90's and beyond doesn't deserve its own space to be understood within, heh.

Aw. I think cinema really got interesting in the 90s.

[Boner M]

Aw. I think cinema really got interesting in the 90s.
I know, it's just that so much of even the best cinema was all about homage and appropriation... therefore I have an unfortunate tendency to read even the most singular contemporary films and filmmakers through the frame of other reference points, something that hindered my experience of Tarr's film, until it clicked big time.

[Izzy Black]

I know, it's just that so much of even the best cinema was all about homage and appropriation... therefore I have an unfortunate tendency to read even the most singular contemporary films and filmmakers through the frame of other reference points, something that hindered my experience of Tarr's film, until it clicked big time.

Well, yeah, cinema was getting increasingly more postmodern, but I think there are exceptions with the likes of late Rivette, Hou Hsiao-hsien, Raul Ruiz, and Ken Loach, but generally speaking, you are correct, cinema became rather self-referential and intertextual after FNW and Godard (and even with Loach and Hou there are traces of Ozu and neorealism).

[Ezee E]

Secrets & Lies is the 36th film to make the list.

[soitgoes...]

Tsui:
Peking Opera Blues - 7.5

[Ezee E]

For Sam Fuller:

The Steel Helmet - 7

[Raiders]

Any chance of removing the Marx Brothers week? It doesn't really make much of any sense in this consensus (neither does the monster week, but given Halloween I suppose it works), and I was thinking we are still missing a week for Jean-Pierre Melville.

[Ezee E]

Any chance of removing the Marx Brothers week? It doesn't really make much of any sense in this consensus (neither does the monster week, but given Halloween I suppose it works), and I was thinking we are still missing a week for Jean-Pierre Melville.
We're missing weeks for many a directors aren't we?

I'll get on it as soon as I receive a much delayed spreadsheet. :)

[Raiders]

I'll get on it as soon as I receive a much delayed spreadsheet. :)

I can't until I get my old computer up and going again and it is still boxed away.

[dreamdead]

So... consensus time: do we count Glengarry Glen Ross for Mamet or no?

[Ezee E]

So... consensus time: do we count Glengarry Glen Ross for Mamet or no?
I'd say no, otherwise we'd have to venture into his other movies that he wrote.

[Ezee E]

NOTE: Pixar shorts will count for its consensus.

[Ezee E]

I'm putting together a rough draft list for next year's directors, and I'm pretty sure it'll be much better than this year's list.

[Raiders]

I'm putting together a rough draft list for next year's directors, and I'm pretty sure it'll be much better than this year's list.

Especially since you still have a week for the Marx Brothers for this year.

[Ezee E]

Especially since you still have a week for the Marx Brothers for this year.
Think they're going to stay in their spot.

[dreamdead]

I'm putting together a rough draft list for next year's directors, and I'm pretty sure it'll be much better than this year's list.

Rohmer...

He says from the sidelines.

[Ezee E]

Rohmer...

He says from the sidelines.
Yup. He's there.

[soitgoes...]

Powell
Mizoguchi
Naruse
Chuck Jones
Rohmer
Chabrol
Chang Cheh
Clouzot
Friedkin
Hu
Imamura
Kiarostami
Ki-duk Kim
Kobayashi
Maddin
Melville
Ophuls
Pabst
Satyajit Ray
Reed
Saura
Tati
Tsai

I'm sure some of these are the slate to be done, and others have been done already, but I didn't want to spend too much time checking back. Some might be too hard to find enough films for some people, but with all the different forms of media available nowadays, I think enough votes will come.

Also part of me thinks that the entire process should be started over. It will be 2 years or so since the first year was closed. I've seen a large number of films by those directors since, and we have a different crew now than then. It matters not to me in the end. I appreciate all the hard work put in by everyone involved.

[Stay Puft]

We still need Shinya Tsukamoto.

[Ezee E]

Also part of me thinks that the entire process should be started over. It will be 2 years or so since the first year was closed. I've seen a large number of films by those directors since, and we have a different crew now than then. It matters not to me in the end. I appreciate all the hard work put in by everyone involved.

Many of your directors are on my list.

Starting over could work. I'd prefer to get the results from Raiders (HAHA!) and you could simply add in what you've missed. My idea was to have a week where everyone submits movies they've seen since Year 1, etc. As well as new movies that weren't on their consensus (Departed, Shine a light).

[chrisnu]

For Cassavetes:

Love Streams - 9
Husbands - 8

[soitgoes...]

Miike:

The Great Yokai War - 7.0
Sukiyaki Western Django - 3.5

[MadMan]

Ridley Scott-1492: Conquest of Paradise(1992)-7.0. Even though this one of his weaker films (on the 100 scale it gets at least a 73), I still liked it enough for it to get a fresh rating. My continued liking of Scott's films continues.

[Ezee E]

Redbelt: 9

[Ezee E]

It has begun. I'm slowly putting the database together.

[soitgoes...]

Hey Ezee, what exactly is going to constitute the Horror Week? Universal films only? Or is it going to include Hammer films as well?

[Ezee E]

Hey Ezee, what exactly is going to constitute the Horror Week? Universal films only? Or is it going to include Hammer films as well?
I was thinking more Universal films. I haven't looked into it too much though. What are the Hammer ones?

[soitgoes...]

I was thinking more Universal films. I haven't looked into it too much though. What are the Hammer ones?They're the British versions made in the 50s and 60s. Mostly starring Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. A series of Dracula, Frankenstein, Mummy films, as well as a number of random horror films too.

[Ezee E]

They're the British versions made in the 50s and 60s. Mostly starring Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. A series of Dracula, Frankenstein, Mummy films, as well as a number of random horror films too.
Perhaps. I'll come up with a list of the films sometime over the next week or so. Any sites that have good list of all of 'em?

[soitgoes...]

Perhaps. I'll come up with a list of the films sometime over the next week or so. Any sites that have good list of all of 'em?
Hammer Horror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hammer_horror_films)
Universal Horror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_horror)

All of Hammer Film's horror history is here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_Film_Productions#The_bi rth_of_Hammer_Horror_.281955_t o_1959.29)

[Raiders]

So, does the Marx Brothers week mean we won't ever have a Leo McCarey week? Or will we just repeat Duck Soup?

[Ezee E]

So, does the Marx Brothers week mean we won't ever have a Leo McCarey week? Or will we just repeat Duck Soup?
Probably.

To the second one.

If we ever get to Leo McCarey.

[Ezee E]

Hammer Horror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hammer_horror_films)
Universal Horror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_horror)

All of Hammer Film's horror history is here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_Film_Productions#The_bi rth_of_Hammer_Horror_.281955_t o_1959.29)
We will probably only be going with the Universal Horror Pictures.

[soitgoes...]

We will probably only be going with the Universal Horror Pictures.
That's cool. You should try and check some of them out at some point. There's some good stuff.

[soitgoes...]

Mamet:

Redbelt - 8.0

[Ezee E]

Eligible Marx Brothers films for next week:

Films with the Four Marx Brothers:
Humor Risk (1921), previewed once and never released; thought to be lost
The Cocoanuts (1929), released by Paramount Pictures
Animal Crackers (1930), released by Paramount
The House That Shadows Built (1931), released by Paramount (short subject)
Monkey Business (1931), released by Paramount
Horse Feathers (1932), released by Paramount
Duck Soup (1933), released by Paramount
A Night at the Opera (1935), released by MGM
A Day at the Races (1937), released by MGM
Room Service (1938), released by RKO Radio Pictures
At the Circus (1939), released by MGM
Go West (1940), released by MGM
The Big Store (1941), released by MGM
A Night in Casablanca (1946), released by United Artists
Love Happy (1949), released by United Artists
The Story of Mankind (1957), released by Warner Brothers

[MacGuffin]

We will probably only be going with the Universal Horror Pictures.

Is this a sure thing yet?

[Ezee E]

Is this a sure thing yet?
Yeah. We'll be going with the Universal lineup.

[soitgoes...]

Added for Tati:

Jour de fête - 7.0

[dreamdead]

For Nicholas Ray:

Bigger than Life - 8

[Ezee E]

After the "Horror" week, I don't expect any gimmicky picks for the consensus, except for a director with such a huge amount of movies, that I plan on dividing him over two weeks for the sake of sanity.

[soitgoes...]

After the "Horror" week, I don't expect any gimmicky picks for the consensus, except for a director with such a huge amount of movies, that I plan on dividing him over two weeks for the sake of sanity.Hmm... Brakhage perhaps?

[Ezee E]

Hmm... Brakhage perhaps?
He's there, but wrong director.

[soitgoes...]

He's there, but wrong director.More than Brakhage? I'm hoping someone like Chuck Jones or Tex Avery.

[Ezee E]

More than Brakhage? I'm hoping someone like Chuck Jones or Tex Avery.
Bingo.

And now that gives me an idea for a thread.

[Boner M]

To:

Mad Detective - 6.5

K. Kurosawa:

Cure - 8.5

Tati:

Watch Your Left - 6
Evening Classes - 7
Parade - 7

Leigh:

Bleak Moments - 7.5

[Stay Puft]

Adding for Kiyoshi Kurosawa:

Tokyo Sonata - 9

[Ezee E]

For Ridley Scott:

Body of Lies - 5

[soitgoes...]

Tati: M. Hulot's Holiday - 8.0

Miike: One Missed Call - 6.0

[SirNewt]

Hey E, I just realized I posted my ratings int he Robert Wise thread just after it closed. Might they have been counted or are you super anal about counting votes from the individual threads (to avoid confusion) after they close?

[Ezee E]

Hey E, I just realized I posted my ratings int he Robert Wise thread just after it closed. Might they have been counted or are you super anal about counting votes from the individual threads (to avoid confusion) after they close?
If possible, just copy and paste it here, and I'll get to it at the end of the year.

[SirNewt]

Robert Wise

The Day the Earth Stood Still - 8
West Side Story - 4
The Sound of Music - 7
Run Silent Run Deep - 6

[soitgoes...]

Walter Hill: The Warriors - 7.0

[soitgoes...]

Ferrara: Bad Lieutenant - Movie is a 10, Harvey Keitel's penis yet again poking its way into my life is a -2.5, for a total score of 7.5. :)

[Ezee E]

Citizen Ruth - 7

[Ezee E]

If anyone else is interested in doing these next year, let me know.

[Ezee E]

Miike: Sujiyaki Western Django - 5

[Boner M]

Antonionionioni:

Story of a Love Affair - 6

[Boner M]

Ferrara:

Mary - 7

[Stay Puft]

I forgot to mention this earlier, E - but since I was the one who tallied the results for Tsui Hark and Johnny To, I've also been keeping them up to date. I've already edited the posted results in their respective threads to reflect any added votes from this thread. I don't know what your plans are for closing out the year, so let me know if there are any problems.

[Ezee E]

I forgot to mention this earlier, E - but since I was the one who tallied the results for Tsui Hark and Johnny To, I've also been keeping them up to date. I've already edited the posted results in their respective threads to reflect any added votes from this thread. I don't know what your plans are for closing out the year, so let me know if there are any problems.
Makes that easy for me. I'll have to start on these soon.

[Ezee E]

With Benjamin Button out this week, I'm thinking of pushing back Fincher so that his movie could be included. Anyone care to swap him with someone? Preferbly with a director after February?

[Ezee E]

Note: The Genius and My Name is Nobody are listed under other directors, so they won't qualify for Leone.

[dreamdead]

With Benjamin Button out this week, I'm thinking of pushing back Fincher so that his movie could be included. Anyone care to swap him with someone? Preferbly with a director after February?

Peter Weir? ::shrugs::

[Ezee E]

Significant changes with all end-of-year additions:

Ridley Scott-
American Gangster –7th
Moved up .01

Miike
Sukiyaki Western Django – from 7.7 to 7.0, down seven spots
One Missed Call – 6.6 down to 6.39, down to spots

Antonioni –
Story of a Love Affair – 7.1 to 6.92, down one spot

Sam Fuller –
The Steel Helmet – 7.41 (11)
The Big Red One – 8.5 (11)

Mamet –
Redbelt – 7.5 (now qualifies, and is his #1 movie)

Tati –
Jour de fete – 7.5 (7)
Watch Your Left - 6 (1)
Evening Classes – 7 (1)
Parade – 7.5 (4) – now qualifies, #6 overall
M. Hulot’s Holiday – 7.333 (18)

Leigh –
Bleak Moments – 7.86 (now qualifies), #6 overall

Nicholas Ray
Bigger Than Life – 8.82 (11) – moves down to #2, In a Lonely Place takes over

Hill –
Warriors – 7.61 (18)

Demme –
Something Wild – 8.29 (7) – moves to #2, over Silence of theLambs

Farrelly –
Stuck on You – moves to #5, takes over Fever Pitch

Reitman –
Stripes – moves to #2 on list, takes over Dave

Tarr –
Satantango – 9.2 (5) – moves to #15 on Hall of Fame List

[dreamdead]

This year I aim to tackle Tarr's Satantango. And Shoah. :cry: