The Netflix Thread

[Irish]

That's interesting...and weird. Aren't there rules about the pres and VP having to be separated during tenure? So no attack can hit both?


You're going to bring logic into this? C'mon, now. :)

Ima let Past-Skitch argue with Present-Skitch. :P

[Skitch]

Bro...one was in a thread about a politics show and one was about robot alien cars lol

[Irish]

Bro...one was in a thread about a politics show and one was about robot alien cars lol

Since when are politicians more reputable that robots?! :D

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulgjg4oOqaU
From Guillermo del Toro.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltUs2qYl1XU

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVI0hS4ZRM
I've actually not seen this one. Is it any good?

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZS3nS9YLOk
Good to see this. S1 was inconsistent, but ended very strongly.

[Skitch]

I've actually not seen this one. Is it any good?
I really like it, but it may be jarring for anyone who didn't grow up in 70s/80s.

[Mysterious Dude]

I think if you like Bill Burr's standup, you'd like F is for Family.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[MadMan]

Maniac was great, btw. Better than I expected.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[Ivan Drago]

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The first movie was a live-action anime while the second one was Power Rangers if the pilots were obnoxious.

My hope is for this to be like the former.

[Philip J. Fry]

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Includes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13nSISwxrY4

[Skitch]

Just announced, live action Cowboy Bebop coming.

[Dukefrukem]

Big Mouth is funny!

[Skitch]

Hilarious.

[Philip J. Fry]

Reminds me of Sausage Party.

[Philip J. Fry]

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Yassss!!!

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l-yByZpaaM

[Dukefrukem]

If you guys had to rank the top 5 things on Netflix. What would they be?

[Irish]

I think about it every time I open the app. So much stuff on there is mediocre. But:

1. Happy Valley (2014)
2. Nannette
3. The Crown
4. Mindhunters
5. Bojack Horseman

HM: "American Vandal" was good all the way through and made a risky artistic choice at the end, but it fit well with the show's theme. "Alias Grace" had a great set-up but a bad pay-off. Likewise "The End of the F***ing World."

I don't think I've seen a great, original movie from Netflix (but I haven't seen "Roma" yet.)

[Skitch]

Netflix has produced too much great content to list. So many risky things that no studio would touch. I'll take that over films by committee all day.

[Dukefrukem]

So much stuff on there is mediocre.


This.....

[Irish]

So many risky things that no studio would touch.

How do you define risk? Could you elaborate on this a bit?

(I'm frustrated that Netflix has no personality; most of its content could have been produced anywhere, from network to Amazon.)


I'll take that over films by committee all day.

I'll take a committee over an algorithm.

[Peng]

Films

1. Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom
2. The Other Side of the Wind + They'll Love Me When I'm Dead
3. Justin Timberlake + The Tennessee Kids (Jonathan Demme's last film)
4. Roma
5. Private Life

A rewatch of Buster Scruggs might bump it up among there.

Series

1. Bojack Horseman
2. GLOW
3. American Vandal
4. Black Mirror (having "San Junipero" among the Netflix run help this ranking significantly, although I love some others too)
5. Dear White People

Shoutouts to the underrated Santa Clarita Diet, with Timothy Olyphant at his unexpectedly comedic best, and Errol Morris' engrossing doc hybrid Wormwood too.

[Philip J. Fry]

Besides the ones already mentioned, I'd give a shotout to Making a Murderer and The Keepers.

And they have some very good animated content beyond BoJack, like Voltron: Legendary Defender, the new She-Rah show and Devilman Crybaby.

[Ezee E]

-Mindhunter
-Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee
-Roma
-Dave Chappelle's specials
-Haunting of Hill House

[transmogrifier]

So many risky things that no studio would touch.

You say risky, I say mediocre to shitty.

A mediocre Coens movie? Check.
A medicore Baumbach movie? Check.
Bong Joon Ho's worst movie? Check.
Jeremy Saulnier's worst movie? Check.
Duncan Jones' worst movie (apparently)? Check.
Adam Wingard's worst movie? Check.
A bunch of shitty Adam Sandler movies? Check.

[Dukefrukem]

Whoa, Duncan Jones did a Netflix movie? It cannot be worse than Source Code. Now I have to watch it. How was this not discussed here?

And I'd argue Death Note is slightly less crappy than the Blair Witch remake.

[Ezee E]

I forgot to rate the Saulnier. Wow that was bad, but with terrific mood.

[Watashi]

If you just limit to what Netflix offers on its "What's Trending" page or whatever big director they grab for their next original movie, you'll be missing a lot of great stuff.

Just their documentary section alone has made Netflix worth it.

[Irish]

Whoa, Duncan Jones did a Netflix movie? It cannot be worse than Source Code. Now I have to watch it. How was this not discussed here?

It was (http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?7092-Mute-(Zowie-Bowie)), very briefly.

"Mute" was not only Jones' worst film, it was one of the worst films of the year.

[Milky Joe]

Besides the ones already mentioned, I'd give a shotout to Making a Murderer and The Keepers.

+Evil Genius, Wild Wild Country

[Skitch]

By risky I meant premises that studios generally shy from. A movie where proof of afterlife causes mass suicide? Or a commentary on the beef industry via a korean space cow? Or a group of diverse people psychically connected who have mental orgies? I didn't say great (edit: I did say great, but I didn't mean all the stuff I consider risky is great, but that theres some stuff that is), but I'll take movies that take a chance on a new idea over film-by-committee.

ARQ, The Discovery, Okja, Gerald's Game, Wheelman, TAU...all enjoyable, to name a few. The idea that all Netflix makes is garbage is so boring. Do you hold a studio to task for putting out dozens of shitty movies? I've never heard of someone going after Paramount or Universal because they had a bad year or something, when they all have.

[Skitch]

It was (http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?7092-Mute-(Zowie-Bowie)), very briefly.

"Mute" was not only Jones' worst film, it was one of the worst films of the year.

Yeah I didn't get that one at all. It was a weird movie with no sane tone, logic, or reason. See instead, Altered Carbon.

[Philip J. Fry]

Also, a shoutout to Beasts of No Nation, Annihilation and Jim & Andy: The Great Beyond

[Irish]

Do you hold a studio to task for putting out dozens of shitty movies?

Have we met? I've been bitching about studio films for years. :p

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. Do you hold a studio to task for putting out dozens of shitty movies?

Those studios are not getting an automatic $12 a month from me.

[Skitch]

Those studios are not getting an automatic $12 a month from me.

I can't help you, trans. If you're so dissatisfied with the quality, cancel. No one is obligated to have it.

[Ezee E]

I can't help you, trans. If you're so dissatisfied with the quality, cancel. No one is obligated to have it.

lol.

[Dukefrukem]

Well I just literally played about 8 straight outs of Battlefield V. And now I hate myself. And this was supposed to be in the video game thread.

[transmogrifier]

I can't help you, trans. If you're so dissatisfied with the quality, cancel. No one is obligated to have it.

I'm just explaining to you why I don't hold other studios to task. It's just like I don't hold Libre Office to task for its UI but I do for Microsoft Word. You asked the question, I just answered it.

[Skitch]

I'm just explaining to you why I don't hold other studios to task. It's just like I don't hold Libre Office to task for its UI but I do for Microsoft Word. You asked the question, I just answered it.

But your response was essentially that you vote with your money, right? I'm saying you have the same option with Netflix. You seem wholly unsatisfied with it.

[transmogrifier]

But your response was essentially that you vote with your money, right? I'm saying you have the same option with Netflix. You seem wholly unsatisfied with it.

With their Netflix original movies? Sure. They are almost always shit. But on my 1 hour long commute each way I’ve watched 3 Scorsese films recently on my iPad.

And to be honest I pay to feel a bit better about pirating all those movies that I cannot get hold of in Korea any other way.

[transmogrifier]

But anyway, you asked why we don’t give studios shit. That’s my simple answer: I help pay for all these shitty originals.

[MadMan]

I can't help you, trans. If you're so dissatisfied with the quality, cancel. No one is obligated to have it.

Makes sense to me.

[Dukefrukem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shbiwCCMDHQ

[MadMan]

Well its definitely aimed at kids. I like the animation.

[Dukefrukem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3GLhAumiec

[MadMan]

Looks good, if a bit done before.

[[ETM]]

That's weird, I was just bingewatching The Leftovers S1 today, and until now Margaret Qualley was not on my radar at all...

But yeah, smells a lot like "Z for Zachariah".

[Philip J. Fry]

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[Dukefrukem]

Netflix raising prices again.

[Irish]

Netflix's cheapest basic plan will cost $9, up from $8; its most popular HD standard plan will cost $13, up from $11; and its 4K premium plan will cost $16, up from $14.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/netflix-to-raise-prices-by-13percent-to-18percent-its-biggest-increase-ever.html

Wonder how long they can push this before people sub for only part of a year.

Outside HBO, they might be the most expensive service out there.

[Dukefrukem]

I watch the most stuff on Netflix, but i'm starting to wonder if I can live without it and just use the other two guys for content.

[Skitch]

I'll stay. Tons of content for me and mine. Disney+ is the first other streamer I'm seriously tempted to get.

[MadMan]

Hulu tempts me only for TV. I too am wondering if Netflix is worth it...

[Dukefrukem]

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[Irish]

Forgot I was running a proxy on my laptop, went to Netflix, saw a promo for an original called "Titans." Connected via my TV, and the show is nowhere to be found.

Has anyone seen this? Apparently it's a live action Teen Titan show available on DC's streaming service in the US, but on Netflix elsewhere.

Looked super low budget and cheesy but now I'm curious.

[Dukefrukem]

Forgot I was running a proxy on my laptop, went to Netflix, saw a promo for an original called "Titans." Connected via my TV, and the show is nowhere to be found.

Has anyone seen this? Apparently it's a live action Teen Titan show available on DC's streaming service in the US, but on Netflix elsewhere.

Looked super low budget and cheesy but now I'm curious.

Yeh we discussed it here (http://matchcut.artboiled.com/showthread.php?7223-DC-Universe-Discussion-Thread). It looks really bad.

[Irish]

Duke FTW!

thanks for the link

[Dukefrukem]

Duke FTW!

thanks for the link

Thanks for letting me know I can watch this on netflix via my VPN. And holy shit, Europe has Rick and Morty too. WTF.

[Irish]

Are you using a commercial VPN or a private one?

When I try to connect through a VPN to Amazon or Netflix, they block me.

[Peng]

Yeah Asian (or at least Thai) Netflix has Rick and Morty for quite some time. Was scheduled to expire once and then it just stays on.

[Skitch]

Titans coming to US Netflix sometime this month. Cant wait to check it out. Rick and Morty also available on Adult Swim Roku channel for free.

[Dukefrukem]

Are you using a commercial VPN or a private one?

When I try to connect through a VPN to Amazon or Netflix, they block me.

It works on both for me.

[Dukefrukem]

Titans coming to US Netflix sometime this month. Cant wait to check it out. Rick and Morty also available on Adult Swim Roku channel for free.

It's free on FireTV as well, which is my favorite thing in the world right now. Adult Swim Marathons are so nice.

[Skitch]

It's free on FireTV as well, which is my favorite thing in the world right now. Adult Swim Marathons are so nice.

So damn fun.

[Wryan]

The last part of the Godzilla anime is available. Despite some flaws, I'm very partial to this weird, oddball version of the mythos and the way it presents certain "classic" Godzilla elements. In particular everything leading up to Ghidorah and how the climactic beat-down transpires is definitely not your standard Ghidorah fare, but I found it fascinating. Overall I think they are worth a watch.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[Spinal]

I watched one episode of Russian Doll and was completely bored.

However, Perfume is more my style. Anybody else watching it? I'm three episodes in and it's pretty compelling if you like dark, creepy procedurals. It's inspired by the book and movie, so if you're familiar with those, there's some fun crossover although the plot is completely new and set in the present. Friederike Becht is absolutely riveting as the lead investigator.

[Skitch]

Oh I'm so there for this the second it drops:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g1IO0tvVKM

[Irish]

I watched one episode of Russian Doll and was completely bored.

However, Perfume is more my style. Anybody else watching it? I'm three episodes in and it's pretty compelling if you like dark, creepy procedurals. It's inspired by the book and movie, so if you're familiar with those, there's some fun crossover although the plot is completely new and set in the present. Friederike Becht is absolutely riveting as the lead investigator.

Had a similar experience with "Russian Doll." I wanna revisit because everybody on twitter cheers about it incessantly.

I was digging "Perfume" too. Appropriately grim and fucked up. And very German. (I swear, nobody else would think to intercut an autopsy scene and a sex scene in a television show.)

Then a few things started to bug me:



- The heavy reliance on the novel seemed like less an inspiration or adaption and more of a crutch.

- I couldn't for the life of me figure out why these people were friends as kids, since they had nothing in common and seemed not to like each other very much. Ditto for them associating as adults.

- Every character has a single trait that defines them through and through, and their actions don't wander from that at all.

- It has no juice as a whodunnit because the murderer could just as easily be anyone in the group --- or not --- and it wouldn't change anything. Every character would still be a miserable asshole.



But I'll probably finish it out just because. Agree that Friederike Becht is terrific; she was one of the reasons I kept watching as long as I did.

[Spinal]

- I couldn't for the life of me figure out why these people were friends as kids, since they had nothing in common and seemed not to like each other very much. Ditto for them associating as adults.

Yeah, this is a really good question. There's some sort of weird group sadomasochism going on there. Not necessarily in the sexual sense. But yeah, sometimes in the sexual sense. Like I said, I'm not completely done yet, so the overall verdict is still out. But it was fun to learn that the show existed.

[Irish]

But it was fun to learn that the show existed.

Absolutely! I am a sucker for foreign TV and it's always a bitch to hunt it down. Netflix makes it easy to discover new stuff and they're always buying more shows.

[Dukefrukem]

Seems pretty popcorny Alpha Male cast, but I could use this kind of break in the dead of Winter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo3yRLLrXQA

[Dukefrukem]

Netflix acquired this too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lsOwtKNsAA

[Spinal]

I greatly enjoyed the conclusion of Perfume. I think it must be super challenging to create a satisfying 'whodunnit' that is pitched somewhere between too obvious and too arbitrary. Where they landed worked well enough for me considering how compelling the story was along the way. Irish's criticisms are fair: most of these characters are miserable bastards. However, I feel like the series is anchored by Nadja's journey, a haunting portrait of deep vulnerability masked by a tough exterior, and an endpoint that successfully calls to mind the source material without directly replicating it.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YExrjQSKOUc
By Lisa Hanawalt (BoJack Horseman).

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZybYIJtbcu0

[Dukefrukem]

This sounds like slavery with extra steps.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/netflix-battles-rivals-for-its-most-watched-shows-friends-and-the-office-11556120136?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1

If NBC launches it's own streaming service, we are an ABC streaming service away from being right back where we started with cable.

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[Ezee E]

If I were NBC, I'd just take the extra $100 mill each year from Netflix as easy money.

[Skitch]

Yeah really. Who the hell would pay for the networks? I know they have some signature shows, but not nearly enough to attract subscribers imo. Thats for the masses who probably barely use internet.

[Dukefrukem]

Yeah really. Who the hell would pay for the networks? I know they have some signature shows, but not nearly enough to attract subscribers imo. Thats for the masses who probably barely use internet.

Well... in their defense... they do have the two biggest shows... ever.

This is a good graphic

https://monosnap.com/image/SWkCAIyV8kD0JnHyEGiJamIKD7ea35 .png

[Irish]

Yeah really. Who the hell would pay for the networks? I know they have some signature shows, but not nearly enough to attract subscribers imo. Thats for the masses who probably barely use internet.

NBC is part of NBCUniversal. It's not just television. It's also Universal studios and their entire back catalog. Franchises like "Bourne" and "Fast and the Furious" would likely be part of the service. Universal also has a distribution deal with Blumhouse, which could be updated to include this platform.

If they follow CBS' model, maybe local sports too.

[Dukefrukem]

They also have a clear platform to making it much more obtainable than what CBS or Disney+ has with Comcast.

[MadMan]

We are heading back to cable regardless. Cable companies might as well start offering streaming packages if they haven't been doing so already.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[Ezee E]

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Awesome!

[Dukefrukem]

Is Mindhunter good or something?

[Lazlo]

Is Mindhunter good or something?

It sure is! Good Fincher vibes.

[Grouchy]

Is Mindhunter good or something?
Yeah, it really is.

[Milky Joe]

i couldn't get past the second episode.

[Ezee E]

I think it's the best TV show that Netflix has done. It may also be the only full season of a show I've completed from Netflix.

[Peng]

Netflix original series I have seen all the way through, ranked:

9/10
1. Bojack Horseman
2. GLOW

8/10
3. American Vandal
4. Santa Clarita Diet
5. Big Mouth
6. Wormwood
7. Dear White People
8. Russian Doll
9. Master of None
10. Wild Wild Country

7/10
11. The Crown
12. Mindhunter
13. A Series of Unfortunate Events
14. Sense8
15. Five Came Back
16. Aggretsuko
17. Stranger Things

6/10
18. Maniac

Still want to see: Godless

[DavidSeven]

I’m halfway through the new series Dead to Me, starring Christina Applegate and Linda Cardellini. It’s produced by Adam McKay and Will Ferrell, and it’s really quite excellent so far. Straddles the comedy/drama line in a way I haven’t really seen before. Career best performances by both lead actresses.

[Skitch]

Godless was exceptional.

[MadMan]

Is Mindhunter good or something?

I'm on the second episode, and I like it a lot.

Also I dug Maniac a great deal, and I am midway through Russian Doll, which is good. I loooove Stranger Things, of course.

[Grouchy]

I really, really didn't like Russian Doll.

[Dukefrukem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=55&v=N5BKctcZxrM

[megladon8]

They gave way, way, way too much away with that trailer.

I would have been interested otherwise. But we’ve seen the whole movie and every twist.

[Skitch]

Totally agree it gave away way too much but the sci-fi guy in me will still watch it.

[Dukefrukem]

A Good start.

https://variety.com/2019/film/features/abortion-laws-hollywood-studios-netflix-1203225843/

[Dukefrukem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSV42j8lccg

[Skitch]

Holy shit!

[MadMan]

I really, really didn't like Russian Doll.

Fair enough. I enjoyed it.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[MadMan]

That is way too long.

Also I really like The Umbrella Academy. It is Wes Anderson meets Watchmen.

[Skitch]

Also I really like The Umbrella Academy. It is Wes Anderson meets Watchmen.
Thats...an interesting way to put it! I like it.

[Dukefrukem]

My wife is watching The Umbrella Academy and I've caught a few scenes here and there. It's Heroes with garbage dialog and terrible actors.

[Grouchy]

The comic is great, though. I've seen the show - it's a more standard version of the comic's madness.

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[Mal]

Always Be My Maybe was terrible. I'm glad that folks on twitter seem to be finding something redeeming about it because it was certainly one of the most unfunny, badly made comedies I've actually finished in a while.

[Irish]

Always Be My Maybe was terrible. I'm glad that folks on twitter seem to be finding something redeeming about it because it was certainly one of the most unfunny, badly made comedies I've actually finished in a while.

I wanted to like it, having enjoyed Ali Wong's "Baby Cobra." But ... yeah. It's terrible and not funny.

What was most surprising was how badly made it was on a simple technical level. Awkward writing that fails to establish basic character relationships early on and jarring edits that sorta defy space and time (characters in San Francisco are suddenly back in L.A. in between cuts).

I was mystified. There are network sitcoms that are more polished.

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[Skitch]

I love Ali Wong's standups but no interest in that movie.

[MadMan]

My wife is watching The Umbrella Academy and I've caught a few scenes here and there. It's Heroes with garbage dialog and terrible actors.

Really? I quit Heroes midway through Season 1. I liked Umbrella Academy a lot.

[MadMan]

The comic is great, though. I've seen the show - it's a more standard version of the comic's madness.

I have not read the comic. Yet.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=55&v=zOvnGabjF8o

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[Skitch]

Fuck yes. More GiTS is a good thing!

[TGM]

Neon Genesis Evangelion is coming to Netflix tomorrow. Been wanting to watch this one, glad I’ll finally have a chance.

[Skitch]

Oh nice! I was gonna break out a dvd set I bought, but I'll just go Netflix.

[Wryan]

Damn this is suddenly looking like a very different show compared to first two seasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcnHOQ-cHa0

[TGM]

Neon Genesis Evangelion is coming to Netflix tomorrow. Been wanting to watch this one, glad I’ll finally have a chance.

So I’m already reading a lot of complaints about Netflix butchering this. They apparently poorly re-dubbed it, changed a lot of the dialogue including classic lines, removed a lot of the soundtrack, and didn’t get the licensing for “Fly Me to the Moon”, which is apparently a theme song in the original release. Thinking I might try elsewhere to watch it now, I’d hate to watch an inferior product if I don’t have to.

[Peng]

I'm reading some of that too, as an about-to-be first time viewer. As for the sub, the discussion from bilingual/Japanese people make it fall into the realm acceptable for me, because it seems like a more "exact" translation so the difference is about interpretation, not being superior or inferior. The only real blemish to watch it on Netflix for the first time for me is the missing "Fly Me to the Moon" in the episodes' end credit (also, I think they didn't remove a lot of soundtrack as much as only the music cues from that song? Are there more?). I'm gonna check if Netflix Thai has it, or if it's missing from everywhere but Netflix Japan. Apparently the transfer is great enough for a lot of fans to say it's worth it, but I'm going to wait for more people to weigh in.

[TGM]

I didn't hear specifics on what music was removed, if it was only cues to that song or otherwise. I might give the sub a watch if that's the case (I typically prefer subs over dubs anyhow), and maybe rewatch it later in a more accurate format if I wind up liking it. After all, I've seen several different versions of DBZ over the years, so I'm used to watching different tinkerings of a show.

[Skitch]

Nope, I'm out. I'll watch the dvds.

[Wryan]

So where IS a good place to watch the "good version," whatever that may be? I've never seen it and always wanted to watch it, but I don't really wanna buy DVDs for something I've not even seen before. Is it at least acceptable enough for first-timers?

[Dukefrukem]

Bye bye Office (https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/25/the-office-netflix-nbc/)

[Skitch]

So where IS a good place to watch the "good version," whatever that may be? I've never seen it and always wanted to watch it, but I don't really wanna buy DVDs for something I've not even seen before. Is it at least acceptable enough for first-timers?

If I didn't accidentally buy bootlegs of all of it, I would absolutely watch the Netflix versions before purchasing.

[MadMan]

Bye bye Office (https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/25/the-office-netflix-nbc/)
I quit watching after Season 7. Anyways I bet there is a nice blu ray box set of the show somewhere.

[transmogrifier]

One good thing about living outside of America is that we are probably not going to be subject to the same degree of splintering in streaming as you guys. I can't imagine NBC offering their own service in Korea and instead they will just sign over the rights to a local company or to Netflix. Here's hoping! (Disney will probably want to launch worldwide though, I assume.)

[Grouchy]

As far as I've heard there are no plans to launch all the DC/Disney streamings in South America either.

[Dukefrukem]

There's no killer app for DC at this point. But I'm really looking forward to revisiting The Simpsons on Disney+

[Skitch]

I keep forgetting The Simpsons are part of that package when I'm telling people how crazy its going to be.

[Philip J. Fry]

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[Dukefrukem]

Been a while since I watched anything with Katee Sackhoff. May give this a watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzby3KOQ5AM

[Irish]

Just can't wait for all the thinkpieces about Cuphead's latent, buried racism.

I'm starting to think Netflix does this shit on purpose just to generate buzz, a la the Post and the Times.

[Ezee E]

Wish Cuphead was for PS4.

[Skitch]

I'm all over that Katie Sackoff show!

[Philip J. Fry]

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[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Now4KeAiys

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I don't dislike this show, but 3 more seasons while the superior Tuca and Bertie gets cancelled? C'mon!

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I don't dislike this show, but 3 more seasons while the superior Tuca and Bertie gets cancelled? C'mon!

Haven't seen either show, but I literally heard about Tuca and Bertie for the first time when it was cancelled.

[Philip J. Fry]

;607452']Haven't seen either show, but I literally heard about Tuca and Bertie for the first time when it was cancelled.
They shat the bed when (not) promoting it.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIazdDw4tao
Charlie Manson and Son of Sam!

[MadMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Now4KeAiys

MY CHILDHOOD

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlJQCyqiaI

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[Ivan Drago]

That just sounds awesome.

For real, Netflix is killing it in the adult animation niche.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_owZfYVR8

[Wryan]

Trailer for Michod's The King:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMJnsTx-TBg

Visually it looks great. I like the lighting and relatively clarity of what we see of the action. Good cast too.

[Peng]

Better trailer and better Chalamet's accent than I expected. These wigs, tho... (especially Edgerton's)

[Ezee E]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC_fGleU0AAFF-o?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ezee E]

As I look at this. If they feel there's an awards chance, it gets three weeks release.

[Ivan Drago]

That or they need a second revenue stream to not only get their money back from The Irishman, but also to keep up with their incoming competition. . .

[Peng]

Steven Soderbergh's The Laundromat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuBRcfe4bSo

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[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnvw_LRdyVA

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q00bB9o7Eok

[Dukefrukem]

Has anyone watched the Sacha Baron Cohen Series on Netflix? the Spy??

[Ezee E]

Has anyone watched the Sacha Baron Cohen Series on Netflix? the Spy??

Didn't it just start yesterday?

[Dukefrukem]

Dunno. I just opened it up and saw it.

[Irish]

I heard middling to good things.

Apparently it's based on a real dude.

[Dukefrukem]

Well they had to do something.

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The responses are hilarous.

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[Irish]

Wonder how much NFLX paid for a 20 year old sitcom? And how long the license lasts?

I don't understand the slavish devotion to this stuff. Do people really subscribe/unsubscribe based on whether a service has their favorite show?

[Dukefrukem]

Wonder how much NFLX paid for a 20 year old sitcom? And how long the license lasts?

I don't understand the slavish devotion to this stuff. Do people really subscribe/unsubscribe based on whether a service has their favorite show?

I look at it like, more of a reason not to cancel so people can say: "well at least they have X, Y and Z"

[Ezee E]

They may not become a new subscriber, but based on my observations and how much Netflix spent on trying to keep Office/Friends, it appears that it prevents a lot of people from unsubscribing.

[Ivan Drago]

I'm legit surprised NBCUniversal didn't keep that close to their chest as an exclusive. You would think they would after getting The Office back for their streaming service.

[Dukefrukem]

I'm legit surprised NBCUniversal didn't keep that close to their chest as an exclusive. You would think they would after getting The Office back for their streaming service.

Netflix made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

[Dukefrukem]

Whoa... $500 million and apparently they were up against NBCUniversal, which means this money goes to Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David??

https://gizmodo.com/netflix-reportedly-shells-out-more-than-500-million-fo-1838160038

[Skitch]

I know lots of people that would follow Seinfeld anywhere. A lot of these people are the same kind of people, Irish, that wander in to those movie theaters and ask, "Whats starting now? One please."

[Irish]

Yeah. This time you're def lying.



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[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70CN9XeDnf0

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Damn, didn't know that about Vickerman.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MgGojmqX_8

[Irish]

Wonder how much NFLX paid for a 20 year old sitcom? And how long the license lasts?

I don't understand the slavish devotion to this stuff. Do people really subscribe/unsubscribe based on whether a service has their favorite show?

The money will certainly make some studios rich and assure fans the shows will exist online, somewhere, for the foreseeable future. But it ignores a fundamental question: How exactly are these shows valued?

More important, it ignores the fact that nobody seems to know the answer.

“It’s the biggest problem people aren’t talking about: We have no actual information about what creates or reduces churn,” said Dan Rayburn, an expert on streaming media technology. “So we have no way of knowing how much a show is really worth.”

The problem, Rayburn and others say, is that the profit-and-loss statement is out the window, being replaced by … nobody knows.

The value of classic shows was once easily quantified, via the syndication model. There was practically a formula. A buyer calculated the ratings in first-run and repeats. Then they looked at how much ad money a show thus rated could garner. Then they agreed to prices accordingly.

The equation was simple: You wanted to sell enough ads to justify your cost. It didn’t always work out, of course. But there was a road map.

Streaming now, though, appears to be a total gamble.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/19/seinfeld-million-the-big-bang-theory-billion-streaming-arms-race-has-big-problem/

Hmmmmm

[Skitch]

I mean, yeah, with out the data in front of you I guess it's a gamble. But when you're not dealing with the guesswork of the Neilson system, and you can click a button (like Netflix can) and see that user 476892 is on their 37th rewatch of Friends because THATS ALL THEYVE WATCHED for the last 3 years with their Netflix membership, it makes sense to shell out for Seinfeld.

[Grouchy]

I mean, yeah, with out the data in front of you I guess it's a gamble. But when you're not dealing with the guesswork of the Neilson system, and you can click a button (like Netflix can) and see that user 476892 is on their 37th rewatch of Friends because THATS ALL THEYVE WATCHED for the last 3 years with their Netflix membership, it makes sense to shell out for Seinfeld.
I know a particular pothead that has probably rewatched Friends that exact amount of times.

[Dukefrukem]

I mean, yeah, with out the data in front of you I guess it's a gamble. But when you're not dealing with the guesswork of the Neilson system, and you can click a button (like Netflix can) and see that user 476892 is on their 37th rewatch of Friends because THATS ALL THEYVE WATCHED for the last 3 years with their Netflix membership, it makes sense to shell out for Seinfeld.

This makes so much fucking sense. Seriously, being an analyst for Netflix must be the easiest job on the planet....

Rough math incoming;

Netflix has 150 million subscribers paying $16/month

If a quarter of those are the mindless ones that Skitch is portraying here... (and who knows maybe it's more maybe its less the math still works out).

That's 30 million x 16 x 12 x 3 (years) = $17,280,000,000 over a three year haul... which will well exceed what they paid to run the series for 3-5 years or whatever the contact is...

Doing backwards math, You would only need 868,055 mindless viewers to break even with that Seinfeld deal... which is only 0.5% of their total membership.

Footnote: Netflix has never seen a decline in membership year over year... ever.

[Skitch]

Woooooow. Thats crazy! And thats only 20% of their subscribers.

Correlate that to movie going audiences...how many of us believe only 20% of general movie goers (based on what sells tickets) have shiite taste?

[Dukefrukem]

Woooooow. Thats crazy! And thats only 20% of their subscribers.

Correlate that to movie going audiences...how many of us believe only 20% of general movie goers (based on what sells tickets) have shiite taste?

Think about what Netflix has become too.. A commodity. It's like an iPhone at this point. People aren't going to cancel. They are going to carry this sub forever.

[TGM]

Nah, it was pretty easy for me to cancel. :p

[Skitch]

Think about what Netflix has become too.. A commodity. It's like an iPhone at this point. People aren't going to cancel. They are going to carry this sub forever.

The price point could become an issue. Could. Or I could find myself going back down to mailers or something.

[Dukefrukem]

The price point could become an issue. Could. Or I could find myself going back down to mailers or something.

Cell phone providers are paying for your Netflix sub at this point. It's rolled into everything.

[Skitch]

Cell phone providers are paying for your Netflix sub at this point. It's rolled into everything.

Forgive me I've never paid a cell phone bill in my life, so I don't quite get what you mean.

[Irish]

Rough math incoming;

You're doing what the Valley used to call "Chinese math," eg: There are over a billion people in China. If you convince just 1% to pay retail for your product, well hell, that's 10 million customers! Easy! You'll be rich! Your startup will be a raving success!

It doesn't quite work that way.

Netflix does not have 150 million subscribers paying $16 a month.

Not everyone in every territory pays the same fee, and the catalog differs from place to place. Subscribers in India and Eastern Europe pay pennies on the dollar compared to you. (And it's not like Netflix paid $500 million so some Romanian teenager will be all, "Oh finally! I can binge on Jerry just like I always wanted!")

Understand that 30 million people is roughly 1 out of 10 citizens (not NFLX subscribers, citizens) in the United States, or just under the entire populations of countries like Canada, the UK, or France.

So looking at the numbers a different way, you guys are suggesting that literally 1 out of every 10 people you see will pay 15 bucks a month to watch "Seinfeld" and "Friends."

If rabid fans existed in significant numbers then shows like "Arrested Development" would have received more episode orders from Netflix, shit like "Always Sunny" would enjoy higher cable viewership, someone would have revived "The Office" by now, and bought "Supernatural" outright.

Niche audiences will always be niche audiences. You can make money off niche but not in a way that directly impacts the bottom line.

The simplest explanation is that Netflix spent half a billion dollars on a loss leader, to create the impression of value. (Which is something Duke mentioned a few posts back.)

Personally, I think that's insane and totally not worth it, especially because they're also running like $12 billion in debt now.

PS: Netflix's domestic subs --- where they make the most money --- have nearly flatlined over the last 3 years and they lost over 100,000 members between Q1 and Q2 2019. Those numbers aren't significant versus their total base, but they're telling.

[Ezee E]

Wut.

[Dukefrukem]

You're doing what the Valley used to call "Chinese math," eg: There are over a billion people in China. If you convince just 1% to pay retail for your product, well hell, that's 10 million customers! Easy! You'll be rich! Your startup will be a raving success!

It doesn't quite work that way.

Netflix does not have 150 million subscribers paying $16 a month.

Not everyone in every territory pays the same fee, and the catalog differs from place to place. Subscribers in India and Eastern Europe pay pennies on the dollar compared to you. (And it's not like Netflix paid $500 million so some Romanian teenager will be all, "Oh finally! I can binge on Jerry just like I always wanted!")

Understand that 30 million people is roughly 1 out of 10 citizens (not NFLX subscribers, citizens) in the United States, or just under the entire populations of countries like Canada, the UK, or France.

So looking at the numbers a different way, you guys are suggesting that literally 1 out of every 10 people you see will pay 15 bucks a month to watch "Seinfeld" and "Friends."

If rabid fans existed in significant numbers then shows like "Arrested Development" would have received more episode orders from Netflix, shit like "Always Sunny" would enjoy higher cable viewership, someone would have revived "The Office" by now, and bought "Supernatural" outright.

Niche audiences will always be niche audiences. You can make money off niche but not in a way that directly impacts the bottom line.

The simplest explanation is that Netflix spent half a billion dollars on a loss leader, to create the impression of value. (Which is something Duke mentioned a few posts back.)

Personally, I think that's insane and totally not worth it, especially because they're also running like $12 billion in debt now.

PS: Netflix's domestic subs --- where they make the most money --- have nearly flatlined over the last 3 years and they lost over 100,000 members between Q1 and Q2 2019. Those numbers aren't significant versus their total base, but they're telling.

All I did was google "Netflix subscribers" to get my numbers.

[Irish]

All I did was google "Netflix subscribers" to get my numbers.

Well, I was trying to make the case that your numbers were bad but your assumptions were worse.

25 or 30% of anyone's base is a huge number on which to predicate behavior, regardless of how many actual customers we're talking about.

I'm going off (long ago) professional experience. For comparison: In any action a business takes or any campaign they mount, they'll get maaaaaybe a 1-2% response rate. 3-4% if they're lucky.

Skitch's assumptions are similar to yours, in that he sees what's true for his immediate peer group as true across state and national lines.

The WaPo article interested me because it answered one of my earlier questions --- ie, nobody has actual numbers that say, yes, NFLX's "Seinfeld" buy was a good deal for them or their subscribers.

[Dukefrukem]

Well, I was trying to make the case that your numbers were bad but your assumptions were worse.

25 or 30% of anyone's base is a huge number on which to predicate behavior, regardless of how many actual customers we're talking about.

I'm going off (long ago) professional experience. For comparison: In any action a business takes or any campaign they mount, they'll get maaaaaybe a 1-2% response rate. 3-4% if they're lucky.

Skitch's assumptions are similar to yours, in that he sees what's true for his immediate peer group as true across state and national lines.

The WaPo article interested me because it answered one of my earlier questions --- ie, nobody has actual numbers that say, yes, NFLX's "Seinfeld" buy was a good deal for them or their subscribers.

Well my main point, was if we had access to those real numbers, the real data that Netflix has, they can figure out what their break-even point is when doing a $500 million deal. I was just sketching out how it would be done.

[Skitch]

Skitch's assumptions are similar to yours, in that he sees what's true for his immediate peer group as true across state and national lines.



If rabid fans existed in significant numbers then shows like "Arrested Development" would have received more episode orders from Netflix, shit like "Always Sunny" would enjoy higher cable viewership, someone would have revived "The Office" by now, and bought "Supernatural" outright.

But all those shows are relatively niche shows with rabid (not EVERYONE) type fanbases. Thats why Arrested Development keeps getting cancelled, Always Sunny has okay cable viewership, The Office appeals to a good-not-mindblowing crowd and (literally yesterday) when I asked for unpopular opinions on FB, 2 in about 15 mentioned they hated it, and Supernatural has enough legs to have 27 seasons yet the only people I know who watch it are exactly THOSE 2 PEOPLE that hated the office.

[Irish]

Well my main point, was if we had access to those real numbers, the real data that Netflix has, they can figure out what their break-even point is when doing a $500 million deal. I was just sketching out how it would be done.

Yeah, but you're making another assumption there, that Netflix bought the rights to "Seinfeld" as a direct investment that will pay out $X over a number of years. I don't think they did, and I don't think anyone can say otherwise with a degree of confidence. (Mostly, because the numbers don't match up.)

I think it's insane to believe there's a large enough audience for these shows to justify the huge payouts, at least in a dollar for dollar, investment sort of way.


But all those shows are relatively niche shows with rabid (not EVERYONE) type fanbases. Thats why Arrested Development keeps getting cancelled, Always Sunny has okay cable viewership, The Office appeals to a good-not-mindblowing crowd and (literally yesterday) when I asked for unpopular opinions on FB, 2 in about 15 mentioned they hated it, and Supernatural has enough legs to have 27 seasons yet the only people I know who watch it are exactly THOSE 2 PEOPLE that hated the office.

r/DunderMifflin (https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/) has 1.2 million members.

I mean, I see your point about cult shows, but "The Office" ran on a major network for 9 seasons.

[Skitch]

r/DunderMifflin (https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/) has 1.2 million members.


How many viewers is that on Netflix? That may be one million people that have/had Netflix just for The Office.

I have lost the narrative of this conversation. I'm sorry guys, I've been up since 4am every day this week for work, I will try harder this weekend, but I'm just tired and confused right now.

[transmogrifier]

Netflix is back in my good books for funding Andrew Dominik's next film. That dude should have money thrown at him to make whatever he likes.

[Ezee E]

Netflix is back in my good books for funding Andrew Dominik's next film. That dude should have money thrown at him to make whatever he likes.

He directed the Manson episode of Mindhunter too.

[MadMan]

Eventually I will cancel Netflix if their price starts heading towards cable territory. However until then I am literally keeping them for the small amount of programming I watch on it every month. Hell for a while I kept Netflix mostly to watch their superhero shows plus Stranger Things.

What I don't get is Hulu's appeal. Yes it's great to use to keep up with TV shows on air, but their library is no less or better than Netflix's.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGxOQxXjdo

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[Peng]

Most out-of-left-field good series this year: The Dark Crystal: The Age of Resistance?

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EotTxCNtsA

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One thing I feel Netflix could change is how individual streams are used. We had our Israeli friends over this summer and they gave us their Netflix password when they left. They're paying for four streams when they use two at most at any time, so our friend's sister in the US is using the fourth.

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[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taE3PwurhYM

Apparently Netflix's first 'in-house' animated feature film.

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[Lazlo]

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Very, very exciting, though I'd always hoped for a live movie trilogy with CGI mo-cap Bones and regular humans. Just glad it's getting adapted finally!

[Grouchy]

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Yeah, I'm gonna watch that. Hope it's excellent.

[Ivan Drago]

Very, very exciting, though I'd always hoped for a live movie trilogy with CGI mo-cap Bones and regular humans. Just glad it's getting adapted finally!

Hell yeah. Night made.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i8Ds2nVVXE
By Yasuhiro Irie (Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood).

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbc8tdWe6lY
By Kenji Kamiyama and Shinji Aramaki.

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbw7QB6nrTc

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apV1Sy9L-s4
The coach looks like Keanu.

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[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juIipTTY1Vo

[Wryan]

Bit NSFW due to an orgy scene in the background in one shot, be forewarned.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndl1W4ltcmg

[Philip J. Fry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8FPzAW7HZ4

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One of the best animated shows nobody's talking about. Highly recommended guys.

[Ezee E]

One thought that's come to me recently is that Netflix may be doing the smartest thing in years by limiting their movies to 2-3 weeks in theaters.

It's impossible to know since we don't see how they gross, but my thought is that by getting the word out that there's only two weeks to see a movie in the theater, it actually makes it an incentive to see it there. If not, Netflix forever as a backup. I feel like Irishman/Marriage Story is selling out quite well. In the end, Netflix may actually do better this way then spending the cash to get it in 2000+ theaters where it almost ends up doing the same, profit-wise.

Thoughts?

[Irish]

Their theatrical releases still feel like a perfunctory nod to the Academy. When people like Spielberg talk shit, Netflix needs to play the game.

Besides, most theaters told them to fuck off. They didn't have a choice but to go small.

I think it does work, like you say, in terms of word-of-mouth and publicity, tho.

[Ezee E]

Their theatrical releases still feel like a perfunctory nod to the Academy. When people like Spielberg talk shit, Netflix needs to play the game.

Besides, most theaters told them to fuck off. They didn't have a choice but to go small.

I think it does work, like you say, in terms of word-of-mouth and publicity, tho.

But theaters told them to fuck off because Netflix didn't want such a long showing in their theaters as well right?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x5JxZ-a8ns

[Ezee E]

Instead of having multiple streaming services, I've decided to try out the DVD plan from Netflix again. Many TV shows can be used here (Handmaid's Tale, Twin Peaks) and new released movies too.

[MadMan]

Instead of having multiple streaming services, I've decided to try out the DVD plan from Netflix again. Many TV shows can be used here (Handmaid's Tale, Twin Peaks) and new released movies too.

Last time I tried that I never made it though my DVD queue. Good luck.

[Skitch]

Friendly reminder most anything can be ordered in to your local library for the rental price of free.

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*Strangely not on Netflix US.

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[MadMan]

Friendly reminder most anything can be ordered in to your local library for the rental price of free.

Oh yeah I love my local library.

[Idioteque Stalker]

Instead of having multiple streaming services, I've decided to try out the DVD plan from Netflix again. Many TV shows can be used here (Handmaid's Tale, Twin Peaks) and new released movies too.

I just finally found the blu ray of Secret Sunshine that's been sitting in a pile for about two years. Gonna watch today (better be a GD masterpiece) then get my dvd/br queue up and running again as well. It's a great service. I dropped off for a while, but I really do love getting to see high quality transfers of older movies.

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