My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done (Herzog)

[Watashi]

David Lynch and Werner Herzog - two titans of indie cinema - have announced plans to collaborate on a horror-tinged thriller based on a true story.

My Son, My Son will tell the tale of a San Diego man who acts out a Sophocles play in his mind and kills his mother with a sword. Film will flash back and forth in time, intercutting the disturbed man's back story with scenes of the murder.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Herzog has written the script with longtime assistant Herbert Golder, and plans to shoot the low-budget feature guerrilla-style on digital video next March.

My Son, My Son is the second Herzog project to be announced in Cannes, the first being his remake of Abel Ferrara's Bad Lieutenant, set to roll before cameras in July.

Uh.... it's like the cinema gods has answered every film buff's prayers.

[Spinal]

So where does Lynch come in? I'm confused.

[Watashi]

So where does Lynch come in? I'm confused.
I assume he's the producer.

[Sycophant]

Wait... so what's Lynch's role here? It sounds awesome at any rate, but reports I'm reading identify him as executive producer?

And according to this article (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4e5304fe515555fedf4c9c3eb91 9500b), Lynch is also exec producing Jodorowsky's King Shot.

[Watashi]

In a separate development, Lynch's Absurda production company has attached Asia Argento and Udo Kier to star with Nick Nolte in Alejandro Jodorowsky's metaphysical gangster movie "King Shot."

Marilyn Manson is touted to appear as a prophet in the "Sin City"-style film, which producer Eric Bassett said has enough sex and violence to guarantee an NC-17 rating.

What the fuck?

[Spinal]

Get rid of Nick Nolte and that's like the greatest thing ever.

[megladon8]

Get rid of Nick Nolte and that's like the greatest thing ever.


What's wrong with Nick Nolte?

I'd say more like, get rid of Marilyn Manson.

[Sycophant]

What's wrong with Nick Nolte?

I'd say more like, get rid of Marilyn Manson.What's wrong with Marily Manson?

I'd say more like, get rid of Alejandro Jodorowsky.

http://whatnot.bombdotcom.net/shit/mc/giantwink.gif

[Kurosawa Fan]

What's wrong with Marily Manson?


I have it on good authority that he doesn't actually go about his life very merrily.

[megladon8]

What's wrong with Marily Manson?

I'd say more like, get rid of Alejandro Jodorowsky.

http://whatnot.bombdotcom.net/shit/mc/giantwink.gif


I actually really like Manson's music.

I've never seen him act, though.

I like Nick Nolte.

[Spinal]

Marilyn Manson's part will probably be small. Doesn't concern me.

[EvilShoe]

Bullets may not hurt Herzog, but thread hijacking does. :cry:

[Ezee E]

What's happened to Herzog? He's gotten an incredibly dark mind.

[number8]

Jorodowsky has been trying to make a movie with Manson for yeeeears. He was supposed to be the lead in that Cain and Abel movie. I don't think his role is small here.

[Ezee E]

And Manson was going to be in the El Topo sequel as well.

[Raiders]

Get rid of Nick Nolte and that's like the greatest thing ever.

I would say it is Nolte that puts it over the top, actually.

[Russ]

Jorodowsky has been trying to make a movie with Manson for yeeeears. He was supposed to be the lead in that Cain and Abel movie. I don't think his role is small here.


And Manson was going to be in the El Topo sequel as well.
They're the same. Both Abelcain and Sons of El Topo were aborted attempts to film the sequel. I believe the Abelcain reference was in response to the then-current legal entanglements of using the Klein-owned film title rights.

I'm ecstatic over the fact that Lynch is exec producing both Herzog and Jodorowsky under his Absurda production company. :pritch:

[Russ]

I would say it is Nolte that puts it over the top, actually.
Indeed.

[monolith94]

If any director could find an effective way to use Manson, it would have to be Jodorowsky.

[Grouchy]

So, Lynch is now like a Maecenas of strange cinema. Cool.

[number8]

If any director could find an effective way to use Manson, it would have to be Jodorowsky.

I'm still hoping for Shinya Tsukamoto to use him in some way.

[Wryan]

I would say it is Nolte that puts it over the top, actually.

Patton Oswalt does a great routine about Nick Nolte almost getting the part of Han Solo and being the next Batman. It's great and dead on why Nolte is so fucking fun.

[Qrazy]

What's happened to Herzog? He's gotten an incredibly dark mind.

He started working with Harmony Korine.

[Qrazy]

Patton Oswalt does a great routine about Nick Nolte almost getting the part of Han Solo and being the next Batman. It's great and dead on why Nolte is so fucking fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29CY76Mo9U

[Sven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29CY76Mo9U

That was sub-awful.

[origami_mustache]

What's happened to Herzog? He's gotten an incredibly dark mind.



He started working with Harmony Korine.

When wasn't his mind dark?

[Qrazy]

That was sub-awful.

Ehehehehehhe ... yes... great concept though.

[Fezzik]

Patton Oswalt does a great routine about Nick Nolte almost getting the part of Han Solo and being the next Batman. It's great and dead on why Nolte is so fucking fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4stEasOVrI

:)

[Melville]

I'm bumping this for no particular reason. The title is now My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done. Michael Shannon is the star. It's already filming in Peru.

Here's a long interview with Herzog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/jan/26/werner-herzog-interview

[Qrazy]

I'm bumping this for no particular reason. The title is now My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done. Michael Shannon is the star. It's already filming in Peru.

Here's a long interview with Herzog:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/jan/26/werner-herzog-interview

I think that's a different film.

"WH: I do things that are a bit unusual at the moment. For example, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans. It's possibly a new form of film noir, and yet, it's very much my film. I'm venturing out into new terrains. I'm in explorer mood, like when I was 24."

[Ivan Drago]

I've only seen one of his films, but Alejandro Jodorowsky is a bizarre...but very interesting filmmaker. After seeing it for the first time two years ago and not watching it since, I still think about El Topo a lot. King Shot sounds cool despite the Marilyn Manson factor.

[Melville]

I think that's a different film.

"WH: I do things that are a bit unusual at the moment. For example, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans. It's possibly a new form of film noir, and yet, it's very much my film. I'm venturing out into new terrains. I'm in explorer mood, like when I was 24."
What's a different film? My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1233219/) is the film being produced by David Lynch, starring Michael Shannon, and currently filming (or just finished filming?) in Peru. Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1095217/) is possibly a new form of film noir.

Anyway, Herzog fans should read that interview. It includes discussions of his earlier films, brief mentions of his upcoming films and book (a diary written during the filming of Fitzcarraldo), talk of the end of the world, bashing of New Age philosophy, and reasons why Los Angeles is the cultural center of America.

[DavidSeven]

Herzog liking The Dark Knight = iosos's mind melting?

[Melville]

Herzog liking The Dark Knight = iosos's mind melting?
Heh. Yeah, I wish he had explained what he thought was interesting about it.

[Ezee E]

Heh. Yeah, I wish he had explained what he thought was interesting about it.
He adores philosophy. It's pretty obvious why he'd like that movie.

[Qrazy]

What's a different film? My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1233219/) is the film being produced by David Lynch, starring Michael Shannon, and currently filming (or just finished filming?) in Peru. Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1095217/) is possibly a new form of film noir.

Anyway, Herzog fans should read that interview. It includes discussions of his earlier films, brief mentions of his upcoming films and book (a diary written during the filming of Fitzcarraldo), talk of the end of the world, bashing of New Age philosophy, and reasons why Los Angeles is the cultural center of America.

Doh!

[Ezee E]

Read the interview today, definitely worth the read if you're a fan of Herzog.

[Melville]

He adores philosophy. It's pretty obvious why he'd like that movie.
*shrug* Philosophy is my primary interest in life, but I didn't think there was anything philosophically interesting about the Dark Knight. And Herzog's opinions (or at least the way he expresses them) are terrifically idiosyncratic, so I'm sure he'd have something interesting to say about what he found interesting about it.

[Wryan]

*shrug* Philosophy is my primary interest in life, but I didn't think there was anything philosophically interesting about the Dark Knight.

Not even compared to similar blockbuster-success, huge-money films? I mean, almost everyone in America saw the movie, and they got a great little urban crime drama with dark undertones and some nicely moded ethical questions for their trouble and popcorn. Not something that every other blockbuster is willing to do.

[Melville]

Not even compared to similar blockbuster-success, huge-money films? I mean, almost everyone in America saw the movie, and they got a great little urban crime drama with dark undertones and some nicely moded ethical questions for their trouble and popcorn. Not something that every other blockbuster is willing to do.
Other than the ethical questions, which were somewhat banal in themselves, and which were certainly presented extremely simplistically (the ferry scenes, and the whole thing with Batman spying on Gotham, were awful), what in that description is philosophically interesting? I liked the movie, and I agree that it was better than most similar blockbusters, and that it engaged with more ethical questions, but, no, I don't see anything philosophically interesting in it.

[Boner M]

Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0NzJxT6PL8)

I hope Herzog stays in Hollywood FOREVER.

[Pop Trash]

Why does that feel like a movie that would come on Cinemax at 2AM circa 1996?

[Milky Joe]

Because it's awesome.

[Sven]

Oh man, I am so game. Boner, I couldn't agree more. This guy is amazing.

[Milky Joe]

Great to see Michael Shannon getting a really juicy role.

Edit: Brad Dourif is in this? Shit.

[Boner M]

Why does that feel like a movie that would come on Cinemax at 2AM circa 1996?
Cinemax exposition meets Herzog's pursuit of ecstatic truth. An indelible clash of the highest of highs and lowest of lows. Michael Shannon lending his bug-eyed intensity to a project worthy of it. 'Sevigny' pronounced phonetically.

[Stay Puft]

Did an ostrich steal Udo Kier's glasses? Is this going to be the best movie ever made?

[eternity]

That trailer is fucking terrible. But that's the trailer's fault, not the film's.

[number8]

Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0NzJxT6PL8)

I hope Herzog stays in Hollywood FOREVER.

Yes. I mean that. Unironically.

[Spinal]

Yes, this pleases me.

[Grouchy]

Looks solid. I'm more looking forward to Bad Lieutenant for obvious reasons, though.

[B-side]

Michael Shannon rocks my world.

The trailer is stupid, but let's hope the film is quality. I'm with Grouchy in anticipating Bad Lieutenant a bit more.

[Eleven]

Apparently there's an Academy Award nominee in here somewhere...

[Qrazy]

I don't like the aesthetic much at all.

[megladon8]

Starring Braden Lynch?

Braden is...

a) the first name
b) spelled correctly
c) MY NAME

I want to see this.

[Sycophant]

Starring Braden Lynch?

Braden is...

a) the first name
b) spelled correctly
c) MY NAME

I want to see this.

People with names like John will never understand people like you.

[number8]

Let Brandon have his happy moments.

[transmogrifier]

You can add Werner Herzog to the list "Things Match Cut Thinks Are Completely, Unquestionably Awesome That Make Me Just Shrug My Shoulders And Go "Huh?"

It's a big list.

[Qrazy]

You can add Werner Herzog to the list "Things Match Cut Thinks Are Completely, Unquestionably Awesome That Make Me Just Shrug My Shoulders And Go "Huh?"

It's a big list.

What else is on it?

[Acapelli]

I don't like the aesthetic much at all.
looks like an 00s lynch film

that trailer was pretty poorly put together, but i'm excited. closest thing we'll have to a new lynch film at least

[Acapelli]

People with names like John will never understand people like you.
i hate it when people spell my name "johnathan" instead of "jonathan"

[Qrazy]

looks like an 00s lynch film

that trailer was pretty poorly put together, but i'm excited. closest thing we'll have to a new lynch film at least

It must look like Inland Empire which I haven't seen because it doesn't look much like Mulholland Drive to me.

[transmogrifier]

What else is on it?

Zooey Deschanel
Stanley Kubrick
Battlestar Galactica
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Pixar

Actually, the list isn't that long.

[transmogrifier]

looks like an 00s lynch film

that trailer was pretty poorly put together, but i'm excited. closest thing we'll have to a new lynch film at least

Every single Herzog trailer I have ever seen is poorly put together, yet people around here go into raptures over them....

[Boner M]

Every single Herzog trailer I have ever seen is poorly put together, yet people around here go into raptures over them....
:rolleyes:

Which ones have you seen? Anyone who loved Thirst has no right to complain about a film being poorly put together.

[Sycophant]

i hate it when people spell my name "johnathan" instead of "jonathan"

I'm not a big fan of people assuming my name is Jonathan and calling me that. But doesn't bother me as much as it used to.

[Rowland]

I hope the cinematography isn't as murky in the finished product.

[transmogrifier]

:rolleyes:

Which ones have you seen? Anyone who loved Thirst has no right to complain about a film being poorly put together.

Huh? Thirst is expertly put together.

[Boner M]

WHICH HERZOGS HAVE U SEEN

Edit: I misread you as as meaning his films overall, rather than just the trailers. Sorry trans. Deeply sorry.

[transmogrifier]

WHICH HERZOGS HAVE U SEEN

Edit: I misread you as as meaning his films overall, rather than just the trailers. Sorry trans. Deeply sorry.

Yep, just the trailers.

As for his movies, I've liked Fitzcarraldo, tolerated Rescue Dawn, hated, hate, hated The Wild Blue Yonder. I have a feeling that I've seen other stuff of his, but I can't be bothered checking.

[megladon8]

I repeat - Herzog's Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht is better than Murnau's original.

Also quite possibly the best film version of Barker's "Dracula" novel.

[Boner M]

Yep, just the trailers.

As for his movies, I've liked Fitzcarraldo, tolerated Rescue Dawn, hated, hate, hated The Wild Blue Yonder. I have a feeling that I've seen other stuff of his, but I can't be bothered checking.
Oh man, Stroszek NOW. Then Aguirre. Then Lessons of Darkness. Then Even Dwarfs Started Small. Then Kaspar Hausar. Then The White Diamond. Etc, etc...

[Boner M]

I repeat - Herzog's Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht is better than Murnau's original.

Also quite possibly the best film version of Barker's "Dracula" novel.
I can't believe I still haven't seen that.

[Acapelli]

It must look like Inland Empire which I haven't seen because it doesn't look much like Mulholland Drive to me.
just watched mulholland drive a few weeks ago, but while no means murky, the image doesn't really look pristine

maybe i should have said inland empire because that's what i meant mostly. now that looked like something filmed on the cheap

[chrisnu]

Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0NzJxT6PL8)

I hope Herzog stays in Hollywood FOREVER.
Music by Blue Bob in the trailer! :pritch:

[Qrazy]

Oh man, Stroszek NOW. Then Aguirre. Then Lessons of Darkness. Then Even Dwarfs Started Small. Then Kaspar Hausar. Then The White Diamond. Etc, etc...

1. Fitzcarraldo - Really great

2. Aguirre - Very good but I have some misgivings.

3. The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner
4. Woyzeck

5. The Enigma of Kaspar Hausar
6. Even Dwarves Started Small
7. Grizzly Man
8. Rescue Dawn

8. Fata Morgana
9. Stroszek
10. Cobra Verde

11. The Wild Blue Yonder

[Boner M]

9. Stroszek
You're poopy.

Though I liked that you ranked Even Dwarfs... relatively high.

[Pop Trash]

I'm with Boner here. Stroszek is one of the best films of the 70s. And we are talking about the 70s here. Not exactly a stale time for great cinema.

[B-side]

Stroszek sucks.

[Boner M]

Stroszek sucks.
+ Chinese Roulette av = faily mcfailface

[B-side]

+ Chinese Roulette av = faily mcfailface

That was my nickname in high school.

[Eleven]

Stroszek sucks.

The dancing chicken clucks otherwise.

[Melville]

The trailers for this and Bad Lieutenant are pretty awful in my opinion. But I have faith in Herzog.

1. Aguirre - masterpiece
2. Fitzcarraldo - masterpiece
3. Woyzeck - near-masterpiece (Has anybody else read the original play? Danton's Death, by the same author, is, yes, a masterpiece.)
4. Stroszek - dancing chicken

5. Grizzly Man - great
6. Nosferatu - great
7. The Enigma of Kaspar Hausar - very good
8. My Best Fiend - good

varying degrees of pretty good:
9. Little Dieter Needs to Fly
10. Lessons of Darkness
11. White Diamond
12. Encounters at the End of the World
13. Rescue Dawn
14. The Wild Blue Yonder

15. Heart of Glass - not good

EDIT: I forgot a bunch of movies

[Sven]

There is so much wrong in this thread. It's hurting.

[Melville]

There is so much wrong in this thread. It's hurting.
Every post in this thread is a right one. Except Brightside's.

[Spun Lepton]

Watching that trailer guaranteed I will never watch the movie. Bleh.

[Ezee E]

I can't freakin' wait for you all to see this. And it'll be love or hate. Some parts of the movie don't work, but overall, I'll never forget it.

[eternity]

I hate you E. I hate you so much.

[Stay Puft]

I can't freakin' wait for you all to see this. And it'll be love or hate. Some parts of the movie don't work, but overall, I'll never forget it.

Four stars? :eek:

I'm seeing it next week. I could not be more excited.

[Ezee E]

I'm probably one of the ten people that really liked it. Most loathed it, but really enjoyed Bad Lieutenant for downplaying things a little.

[Duncan]

Hmm, I was hoping this would be a little further out. Liked it though. Some ecstatic truths were expressed. Found other parts of it kinda dull.

My eagles in drag.
Ostriches.
Walking down the up escalator through the portal of time in Calgary or whatever.
Brad Dourif.

Those parts were awesome.

[Melville]

Hmm, I was hoping this would be a little further out. Liked it though. Some ecstatic truths were expressed. Found other parts of it kinda dull.

My eagles in drag.
Ostriches.
Walking down the up escalator through the portal of time in Calgary or whatever.
Brad Dourif.

Those parts were awesome.
Where'd you see this? Are you back from Asia, or have you not left yet?

[Duncan]

Where'd you see this? Are you back from Asia, or have you not left yet?

Saw it in New York. Went to India for about 5 weeks, got back right before Christmas, spent that at home, then stayed at my old university roommate's apartment over New Year's. The flight to/from NYC was my big Christmas gift from my parents.

Wish I could have spent more time in India. It was really amazing.

[Stay Puft]

Hmm, I was hoping this would be a little further out. Liked it though. Some ecstatic truths were expressed. Found other parts of it kinda dull.

My eagles in drag.
Ostriches.
Walking down the up escalator through the portal of time in Calgary or whatever.
Brad Dourif.

Those parts were awesome.

Agreed. It was hit or miss at times, but some of the hits are amazing.

[Melville]

Saw it in New York. Went to India for about 5 weeks, got back right before Christmas, spent that at home, then stayed at my old university roommate's apartment over New Year's. The flight to/from NYC was my big Christmas gift from my parents.

Wish I could have spent more time in India. It was really amazing.
Cool. I remember you saying that you were thinking of traveling from India to Southeast Asia. Not enough time? Or did I just make that up?

[Duncan]

Cool. I remember you saying that you were thinking of traveling from India to Southeast Asia. Not enough time? Or did I just make that up?
Just not enough time. I was originally planning on doing something like that, but once it became apparent to me just how enormous India is, I scrapped the idea.

[Sven]

I want to know what some of these boring or dull scenes are. For my money, this one is better than Bad Lieutenant. And that's saying something. So amazing. Michael Shannon - holy crap. Every scene had something rockin' going for it.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I know two people who saw this at TIFF and neither were crazy about it, despite their craziness for Herzog. That is all I have to add.

[Bosco B Thug]

I know two people who saw this at TIFF and neither were crazy about it, despite their craziness for Herzog. That is all I have to add.
Yeah, and I haven't read a review that doesn't claim Bad Lieutenant is the superior movie between the two. Which does surprise me. And when I read these reviews, the way they describe MSMSWHYD makes it sound better than BL.

[Stay Puft]

I originally saw this at TIFF, too, and I was probably the only person in my screening who liked it. It screened very poorly at TIFF (I overheard a lot of people calling it the worst film they had seen so far even as I was getting out of my seat, and it was just as bad when I was looking online), whereas BL: POCNO was a bonafide hit.

I thought it was rough around the edges, myself, and falls short of the great heights of some of Herzog's earlier work, but I'm with Sven insofar as I prefer it to BL: POCNO.

[Duncan]

I want to know what some of these boring or dull scenes are. For my money, this one is better than Bad Lieutenant. And that's saying something. So amazing. Michael Shannon - holy crap. Every scene had something rockin' going for it.

I didn't think much to do with the framing device worked well. Dafoe, Sevigny, and the other dude just talking through expository dialogue.

I thought the movie's deliberate absurdity (long takes of the mother's face, delivering the pizza) contradicted a lot of the more liberating, organic beauty of some of Herzog's other films. It felt stilted.

[Bosco B Thug]

I thought the movie's deliberate absurdity (long takes of the mother's face, delivering the pizza) contradicted a lot of the more liberating, organic beauty of some of Herzog's other films. It felt stilted. This makes sense.

What I hear makes this film sound like a prank by Herzog and Lynch on Lynch, where Lynch has to run back and forth from shaking hands and nodding satisfactorily with Herzog in one spot and in another ironically freaking out because of the pig guts Herzog and Lynch had dumped on him. But inevitably some pig guts get on Herzog, too, cuz they're all shaking hands and patting each other on the back.

[Ezee E]

I want to know what some of these boring or dull scenes are. For my money, this one is better than Bad Lieutenant. And that's saying something. So amazing. Michael Shannon - holy crap. Every scene had something rockin' going for it.
Nice.

[Sven]

I didn't think much to do with the framing device worked well. Dafoe, Sevigny, and the other dude just talking through expository dialogue.

The oatmeal? The flamingos? The talking curtains? I thought the lighting, communicating the passing day, was incredible.

How can you just "other dude" Udo Kier (and yet know how to correctly spell Chloe's last name)? Not cool, man. But seriously, any moment where Sevigny had to string together more than two sentences was kind of a joke. A not very good one. She was definitely not on the filmmakers' wavelength. Dafoe's performance was hilariously aloof, I thought (his first scene story is great, and the moment with the two coffees is priceless). I will concede that the exposition was sometimes heavy, which was a very minor drag, but which made the good parts that much better.


I thought the movie's deliberate absurdity (long takes of the mother's face, delivering the pizza) contradicted a lot of the more liberating, organic beauty of some of Herzog's other films. It felt stilted.

Zabriskie's face is immense. I can't figure out why one would not appreciate her capabilities (and the effective application thereof, however punctuated by knowingness: her just waiting... squirming and flinching... waiting for a thank you). Definitely felt more Lynch than 'zog, as if that mattered.

I don't think I could've been happier with the picture. Can't think of a better genre subversion than this. It was frightening, man. Shannon was soooo good. Creepy good. Kinski good. This may be the first film that I've seen where Herzog's proclivity for daydream speak ("Do fishes dream?" Nic Cage asks in Bad Lieutenant, and though it works, I can barely pinpoint why) feels like it has an immediate purpose (even if it's a simple, if poetic, illustration of psychosis - "what happened to my ball?").

[Duncan]

The oatmeal? The flamingos? The talking curtains? I thought the lighting, communicating the passing day, was incredible.

How can you just "other dude" Udo Kier (and yet know how to correctly spell Chloe's last name)? Not cool, man. But seriously, any moment where Sevigny had to string together more than two sentences was kind of a joke. A not very good one. She was definitely not on the filmmakers' wavelength. Dafoe's performance was hilariously aloof, I thought (his first scene story is great, and the moment with the two coffees is priceless). I will concede that the exposition was sometimes heavy, which was a very minor drag, but which made the good parts that much better. I didn't think Kier was any better than Sevigny, though it may have more to do with the writing than the performances. Something happens, and then, "Oh, that reminds me, about two weeks ago..."

Oatmeal was funny. The flamingos were also funny.


Zabriskie's face is immense. I can't figure out why one would not appreciate her capabilities (and the effective application thereof, however punctuated by knowingness: her just waiting... squirming and flinching... waiting for a thank you). Definitely felt more Lynch than 'zog, as if that mattered. Way more Lynch than 'zog. I don't deny that she does it well, but when I think of her skillfully managed expressions compared to, say, that German-speaking non-actor in the restaurant in Stroszek and the way Herzog just lingers on his face, I much prefer the natural spontaneity of the non-actor.


I don't think I could've been happier with the picture. Can't think of a better genre subversion than this. It was frightening, man. Shannon was soooo good. Creepy good. Kinski good. This may be the first film that I've seen where Herzog's proclivity for daydream speak ("Do fishes dream?" Nic Cage asks in Bad Lieutenant, and though it works, I can barely pinpoint why) feels like it has an immediate purpose (even if it's a simple, if poetic, illustration of psychosis - "what happened to my ball?"). Again, there was a deliberateness to his performance that didn't work for me. A strained strangeness. Kinski is unhinged, and part of the reason he works so well with Herzog is that the relationship isn't totally under control. This always felt very controlled.

[number8]

My review of this feels very slight... I was kind of grasping at straws trying to describe why this movie rocked. A long way to go before I become the film critic I want to be.

[Dillard]

This is on instant play on Netflix. Brilliant film. The mood of the film is impossible to pin down. I almost felt.....joyful...watching the film. But considering the subject matter, how is this possible?

[Derek]

Michael Shannon needs to work with Herzog again.

[B-side]

Michael Shannon should be in every film.

[Spinal]

Michael Shannon is cinema.

I know, I used this gag a couple weeks ago. Stop setting me up.

[Dillard]

Oh wow fantastic, a whole thread!

[Derek]

Michael Shannon is cinema.

I know, I used this gag a couple weeks ago. Stop setting me up.

Michael Shannon thinks the rent is too damn high.

[number8]

3 months ago, Michael Shannon's rapin' everybody, so hide yo kids.