Match Cut Director of February - Otto Preminger

[Ezee E]

http://forum.connpost.com/joe/preminger.jpg

Feel free to discuss and rerate the films of Otto Preminger throughout this month!

[soitgoes...]

Laura (1944) - 8.0
Daisy Kenyon (1947) - 8.0
Whirlpool (1949) - 7.0
Angel Face (1952) - 7.0
The Court-Martial of Billy Mitchell (1955) - 5.5
Bonjour tristesse (1957) - 6.5
Anatomy of a Murder (1959) - 8.0
Exodus (1960) - 6.0
In Harm’s Way (1965) - 6.5
Bunny Lake Is Missing (1965) - 7.5

[Boner M]

Bah, I forgot to record Angel Face last night. :sad:

Laura - 8 (been too long, tho)
Daisy Kenyon - 8.5
Fallen Angel - 9
Where the Sidewalk Ends - 7.5
Anatomy of a Murder - 8

Can easily see him becoming a favorite. One of the masters of camera movement, at the very least.

[Derek]

Laura - 8.0
Daisy Kenyon - 8.5
Whirlpool - 7.0
The 13th Letter - 7.5
Angel Face - 6.5
The Moon is Blue - 5.5
Bonjour Tristesse - 7.5
Anatomy of a Murder - 8.0
Advise and Consent - 8.5
Bunny Lake Is Missing - 7.5

[Derek]

Bah, I forgot to record Angel Face last night. :sad:

Laura - 8 (been too long, tho)
Daisy Kenyon - 8.5
Fallen Angel - 9
Where the Sidewalk Ends - 7.5
Anatomy of a Murder - 8

Can easily see him becoming a favorite. One of the masters of camera movement, at the very least.

Yeah, Preminger's consistently great even if I can't say any single of his films is an outright masterpiece on a first viewing. Check out Advise & Consent fo' sho'.

I'll try to get to In Harm's Way before this is over.

[Weeping_Guitar]

Laura - 6.5
Daisy Kenyon - 7.5
That Lady in Ermine - 5
Angel Face - 6
The Man with the Golden Arm - 7
Bonjour tristesse- 6.5
Anatomy of a Murder - 9
Advise & Consent - 8.5
Bunny Lake Is Missing - 7

[Melville]

Laura - 4
Anatomy of a Murder - 7.5

[Derek]

Laura - 4

:confused:

[Watashi]

Laura - 10
Anatomy of a Murder - 8

[Melville]

:confused:
*shrug* I barely remember it now, but that's what IMDb told me I rated it. Here's a couple sentences I wrote about it at some point:
http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=18140#post181 40

[Watashi]

*shrug* I barely remember it now, but that's what IMDb told me I rated it. Here's a couple sentences I wrote about it at some point:
http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?p=18140#post181 40


All you Laura dissenters = :crazy:

Laura > Rebecca

I still stand by that statement.

[Derek]

I still stand by that statement.

But Rebecca has teh Fontaine.

[Philosophe_rouge]

Laura 10
Where the Sidewalk Ends 8.5
Bonjour Tristesse 7.5
Anatomy of a Murder 8
Bunny Lake is Missing 7

I thought I saw more.

[Grouchy]

Laura - 8
Angel Face - 8
River of No Return - 7
The Man with the Golden Arm - 8
Anatomy of a Murder - 9
Exodus - 7

[Yxklyx]

Laura - 6
Fallen Angel - 7
Daisy Kenyon - 9
Where the Sidewalk Ends - 8
Angel Face - 8
Carmen Jones - 7
The Man with the Golden Arm - 8
Bonjour tristesse - 5
Anatomy of a Murder - 8
Advise and Consent - 7
Bunny Lake Is Missing - 8

[chrisnu]

Bunny Lake Is Missing - 7.5

I'm horrible. At least Laurence Olivier is immense.

[baby doll]

One of my favorites.

Laura (1944) [9]
Fallen Angel (1945) [8]
Whirlpool (1949) [8]
Angel Face (1952) [8]
Carmen Jones (1954) [4]
River of No Return (1954) [8]
The Man With the Golden Arm (1955) [8]
Anatomy of a Murder (1959) [10]
Advise and Consent (1962) [7]

I need to rewatch Bonjour tristesse.

[Derek]

One of my favorites.

Laura (1944) / ****
Fallen Angel (1945) / ****
Whirlpool (1949) / ****
Angel Face (1952) / ****
Carmen Jones (1954) / **
River of No Return (1954) / ****
The Man With the Golden Arm (1955) / ****
Anatomy of a Murder (1959) / ****
Advise and Consent (1962) / ***1/2

I need to rewatch Bonjour tristesse.

Rate out of 10 if you want your votes to count in the consensus.

[baby doll]

Rate out of 10 if you want your votes to count in the consensus.I didn't know this was a consensus.

[Derek]

I didn't know this was a consensus.

Oh, it looks like it's not. I guess we're having director's of the month, though I'm not sure what that's all about.

[Ezee E]

It's still a consensus. I just haven't gotten to Herzog's results yet.

[Raiders]

Laura (1944) 8.5
Daisy Kenyon (1947) 8.0
Angel Face (1952) 6.5
The Man With the Golden Arm (1955) 7.5
Bonjour Tristesse (1958) 10.0
Anatomy of a Murder 1959) 9.0
Advise and Consent (1962) 8.0
Bunny Lake is Missing (1965) 6.0

[jenniferofthejungle]

Laura - 9
Fallen Angel - 8
Daisy Kenyon - 7
Angel Face - 6 (needs a rewatch)
Carmen Jones - 6
Anatomy of a Murder - 9
Bunny Lake is Missing - 7


I didn't count a few I haven't seen in forever.

[Ezee E]

Where the Sidewalk Ends is just alright. The ending seems to happen too easily in the good guy's favor to me.

I'll need to concentrate on Preminger's camera movement some more as there hasn't been anything that wowed me yet.

Laura - 9
Where the Sidewalk Ends - 5
The Man with the Golden Arm - 7
Anatomy of a Murder - 9

[Ezee E]

Well...

While maybe not masterful at camera movement, Preminger can certainly frame a shot, and maybe his best example is the one I just saw today in Laura.

[Boner M]

While maybe not masterful at camera movement,:rolleyes:

[Ezee E]

:rolleyes:
Can you give me some examples? Compared to Scorsese, Kubrick, Tarkovsky... I just haven't seen anything yet that has particularly wowed me.

[Raiders]

Can you give me some examples? Compared to Scorsese, Kubrick, Tarkovsky... I just haven't seen anything yet that has particularly wowed me.

Advise and Consent, Anatomy of a Murder and particularly his masterpiece, Bonjour tristesse all have some awesome camerawork. It's not just the movement though, in the first two he navigates and frames the interiors of the courtroom/Congressional hall so damn well, and in Bonjour tristesse, the whole damn thing is a study in exquisite camera motion. I know there's a great article somewhere online that analyzes a lot of the camerawork in that film.

[dreamdead]

Laura - 7.5
Anatomy of a Murder - 7.5

[Boner M]

Can you give me some examples? Compared to Scorsese, Kubrick, Tarkovsky... I just haven't seen anything yet that has particularly wowed me.
I don't remember enough about Where the Sidewalk Ends or Laura, but Daisy Kenyon and Fallen Angel contain many, many striking examples. There's one scene on a street in the latter that I had to replay several times when I first saw it. His camera moves aren't as acrobatic and/or flashy as your examples (probably owing to that cameras were harder to move back then), but they're very elegant yet propulsive all the same.

[Ezee E]

I don't remember enough about Where the Sidewalk Ends or Laura, but Daisy Kenyon and Fallen Angel contain many, many striking examples. There's one scene on a street in the latter that I had to replay several times when I first saw it. His camera moves aren't as acrobatic and/or flashy as your examples (probably owing to that cameras were harder to move back then), but they're very elegant yet propulsive all the same.
Maybe I just haven't seen the right ones, and it's been years since Anatomy of a Murder, something I really remember liking.

In Laura, one of the best shots in the movie is near the end, when a certain someone is shot, and right in the background, perfectly framed, as if watching it all, is the portrait of laura.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Laura - 8.0
Anatomy of a Murder - 9.0
Exodus - 6.0

[Qrazy]

I still stand by that statement.

Neither Laura or Rebecca are very good.


Laura - 5
Anatomy of a Murder - 7.5

[Raiders]

Neither Laura or Rebecca are very good.

Naturally.

[Qrazy]

Naturally.

:lol:

[Derek]

Advise and Consent, Anatomy of a Murder and particularly his masterpiece, Bonjour tristesse all have some awesome camerawork. It's not just the movement though, in the first two he navigates and frames the interiors of the courtroom/Congressional hall so damn well, and in Bonjour tristesse, the whole damn thing is a study in exquisite camera motion. I know there's a great article somewhere online that analyzes a lot of the camerawork in that film.

Rosenbaum (http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-preminger-enigma/Content?oid=886735) wrote a good article about him and Fred Camper's review of Bonjour Tristesse (http://www.fredcamper.com/Film/Preminger.html) also focuses a lot on Preminger's camera work.

[Derek]

:lol:

Since you're not updating your sig anymore, you can go ahead and change it to "Cinema - *shrug*". :)

[Raiders]

Rosenbaum (http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-preminger-enigma/Content?oid=886735) wrote a good article about him and Fred Camper's review of Bonjour Tristesse (http://www.fredcamper.com/Film/Preminger.html) also focuses a lot on Preminger's camera work.

Camper's is the one I was looking for. After three viewings, I had begun to notice a lot of what he winds up talking about and when I read over his thoughts, the whole thing just clicked.

[Gittes]

As I mentioned in another thread, I watched ​Anatomy of a Murder for the first time last night, and I was bowled over by the excellence. Prior to this, I had watched Laura, Daisy Kenyon, and The Human Factor (Preminger's last feature), and I'm pretty sure Anatomy of a Murder is my favourite among these.

I'm a bit surprised to notice such low scores for Bonjour tristesse in here, as I thought it was generally held in very high esteem.

[Yxklyx]

...

I'm a bit surprised to notice such low scores for Bonjour tristesse in here, as I thought it was generally held in very high esteem.

Blech, couldn't stand that movie.