Match-Cut's 100 Best French (language, location) Films - Round 2 - Voting

[Qrazy]

The list is in more or less alphabetical order... some are in French and some are in English because I couldn't be bothered and I don't think it will mess anyone up. I'll put them all in one or the other in the final round. Voting is the usual way... make four tiers... etc. If someone wants to tell me the best way to score these things I'm all ears, my first time around forming a concensus list.

Tier I and II at seven films apiece, and Tiers III and IV at eight films apiece, giving each list 30.

400 Blows
5x2
8 Women
L'Atalante
Alphaville
À nos amours
A Heart in Winter
Amelie
L'age d'or
Au hasard Balthazar
Army of Shadows
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Bed and Board
Band of Outsiders
The Battle of Algiers
Blue
Le Boucher
Breathless
La Belle noiseuse
La Bête humaine
Bob le Flambeur
Beauty and the Beast
Belle de Jour
The Blood of a Poet
Blood of the Beasts
Beau Travail
The City of Lost Children
Le Corbeau
Cache
Cleo from 5 to 7
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
Celine and Julie Go Boating
La Cérémonie
Un Chien Andalou
Children of Paradise
Claire’s Knee
Contempt
Chocolat
Delicatessen
Day For Night
Diary of a Country Priest
Demonlover
Diva
Les Demoiselles de Rochefort
Diabolique
The Dreamers
Devilish Tenant
The Double Life of Veronique
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
L'Enfant
Eyes Without a Face
The Earrings of Madame de...
Elevator to the Gallows
The Fantastic Planet
La Femme Nikita
The Fire Within
Forbidden Games
Friday Night
Grand Illusion
The Gleaners and I
The Green Ray
La Haine
Hiroshima, mon amour
L'Humanité
India Song
In Praise of Love
Irreversible
L'Intrus
La Jetee
Jean de Florette
Jules and Jim
Kings and Queen
Kirikou and the Sorceress
Lola
Leon: The Professional
Loulou
Lovers on the Bridge
Last Year at Marienbad
A Man Escaped
Manon of the Spring
Monsieur Hulot's Holiday
The Man Who Planted Trees
Masculin-Feminin
Monsieur Hire
Mother and the Whore, The
The Mascot
Mouchette
My Night at Maud's
My Life to Live
The Mystery of Picasso
Mon oncle
Napoleon
Night and Fog
Orpheus
An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge
Paris, Je T'aime
Pepe la Moko
Pickpocket
Port of Shadows
The Phantom of Liberty
La Promesse
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Piano Teacher
Playtime
Rififi
A Real Young Girl
Les Roseaux sauvages
The River
The Red Balloon
Red
Rosetta
La Souffle au Coeur
Shoot the Piano Player
Swimming Pool
Le Samourai
Story of Women
Sans soleil
The Son
The Rules of the Game
To be and to Have
Time Out
The Tenant
A Trip to the Moon
Touchez pas au Grisbi
Time Regained
The Triplets of Belleville
Le Trou
That Obscure Object of Desire
Trouble Every Day
Umbrellas of Cherbourg, The
A Very Long Engagement
A Woman is a Woman
Weekend
The Wages of Fear
Water Drops on Burning Rocks
White
The Wild Child
Zero for Conduct
Z

[Mysterious Dude]

How many movies in each tier?

[Qrazy]

How many movies in each tier?

Dunno, what's a good number, 10?

[dreamdead]

Dunno, what's a good number, 10?

When I did the Japanese film thread, I did Tier I and II at seven films apiece, and Tiers III and IV at eight films apiece, giving each list 30. I thought that worked well, especially since most hadn't seen must more than that number...

[Qrazy]

When I did the Japanese film thread, I did Tier I and II at seven films apiece, and Tiers III and IV at eight films apiece, giving each list 30. I thought that worked well, especially since most hadn't seen must more than that number...

Alrighty, that sounds good. I'll update post one.

[Melville]

I think this list is done busted: where is The Son? Could Boner really be the only person to nominate it?

Tier I
Napoleon
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Son
Blood of the Beasts
Au hasard Balthazar
The Battle of Algiers
The Mascot

Tier II
The Man Who Planted Trees
Friday Night
Playtime
Time Out
La Promesse
La Jetee
Children of Paradise

Tier III
Un Chien Andalou
Lovers on the Bridge
Chocolat
The Tenant
L'Enfant
The Piano Teacher
Mouchette
Red

Tier IV
Irreversible
My Life to Live
White
400 Blows
Beau Travail
A Man Escaped
Rules of the Game
Shoot the Piano Player

[Qrazy]

Must have accidentally edited it out.

[monolith94]

Tier 1

Amelie
Delicatessen
Napoleon
Beauty and the Beast
Orpheus
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Last Year at Marienbad

Tier 2

Les Demoiselles de Rochefort
Hiroshima, mon amour
Jules and Jim
Shoot the Piano Player
Children of Paradise
400 Blows
Blue

Tier 3

The City of Lost Children
The Blood of a Poet
The Mascot
Grand Illusion
La Femme Nikita
Diva
Jean de Florette
The Tenant

Tier 4

A Very Long Engagement
Blood of the Beasts
The Man Who Planted Trees
The Triplets of Belleville
Army of Shadows
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Kirikou and the Sorceress
A Man Escaped

[origami_mustache]

Tier 1:
Napoleon
The Fire Within
A Man Escaped
Breathless
Children of Paradise
Playtime
The Rules of the Game

Tier II:
A Trip to the Moon
400 Blows
Au hasard Balthazar
Beauty and the Beast
Hiroshima, mon amour
The Battle of Algiers
Un Chien Andalou

Tier III:
Contempt
Grand Illusion
Band of Outsiders
Jules and Jim
Pickpocket
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Wages of Fear
Pepe la Moko

Tier IV:
Weekend
The Red Balloon
Irreversible
Elevator to the Gallows
Delicatessen
La Haine
Amelie
The Mystery of Picasso

[Qrazy]

When I did the Japanese film thread, I did Tier I and II at seven films apiece, and Tiers III and IV at eight films apiece, giving each list 30. I thought that worked well, especially since most hadn't seen must more than that number...

How do you score? Four points for Tier one, 3 for 2, etc?

[Spinal]

Tier I:
The 400 Blows
The Battle of Algiers
Grand Illusion
Kirikou and the Sorceress
The Phantom of Liberty
The Piano Teacher
Un Chien Andalou

Tier II:
Amelie
Cache
Children of Paradise
Last Year at Marienbad
Night and Fog
The Passion of Joan of Arc
That Obscure Object of Desire

Tier III:
Beauty and the Beast
Belle de Jour
Contempt
Friday Night
The Man Who Planted Trees
An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge
Orpheus
A Real Young Girl

Tier IV:
The Blood of a Poet
Hiroshima, mon amour
Irreversible
My Life to Live
The Triplets of Belleville
Trouble Every Day
Water Drops on Burning Rocks
White

[Qrazy]

Voting will be open until Christmas.

[Qrazy]

This will probably just turn into a top 50, since the noms are just over a hundred.

[dreamdead]

How do you score? Four points for Tier one, 3 for 2, etc?

Pretty much, though I added zeroes to each of those. Something about a winner getting 58 votes depressed me. A winner getting 580, though, now we're talking.

I did 8 films in Tier I will receive 40 points each.
I did 8 films in Tier II will receive 30 points each.
I did 7 films in Tier III will receive 20 points each.
I did 8 films in Tier IV will receive 10 points each.

Looking forward to casting me ballot.

[Gizmo]

Took the 15 I've seen and then basically grouped them evenly, so some may be in tiers with films i think are better, but didn't want an uneven distribution.

Tier 1
Amelie
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Leon: The Professional
The Triplets of Belleville


Tier 2
The City of Lost Children
Delicatessen
Irreversible
A Very Long Engagement


Tier 3
5x2
Au Revoir Les Enfants
La Femme Nikita
Paris, Je T'aime


Tier 4
Blue
The Dreamers
Swimming Pool

[Ezee E]

TIER I
Amelie
Leon: The Professional
Irreversible
A Man Escaped
Night and Fog
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Playtime

TIER II
Au hasard Balthazar
Band of Outsiders
Belle de Jour
Breathless
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
Un Chien Andalou
Le Samourai

TIER III
400 Blows
Blue
Beauty and the Beast
Contempt
The Dreamers
La Haine
The Piano Teacher
Rififi

TIER IV
Army of Shadows
The Battle of Algiers
Bob le Flambeur
Cache
Red
Swimming Pool
A Very Long Engagement
White

[Mysterious Dude]

TIER I
The Battle of Algiers
Breathless
The 400 Blows
Jean de Florette
The Man Who Planted Trees
Manon of the Spring
Napoleon

TIER II
Cleo from 5 to 7
The Fantastic Planet
Kings and Queen
A Man Escaped
Playtime
A Trip to the Moon
Z

TIER III
Army of Shadows
Band of Outsiders
Cache
Les Demoiselles de Rochefort
Diabolique
Pickpocket
Port of Shadows
Le Samourai

TIER IV
L'age d'or
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Un Chien Andalou
The Fire Within
The Mascot
La Promesse
Le Trou
The Wild Child

[Spinal]

Took the 15 I've seen and then basically grouped them evenly, so some may be in tiers with films i think are better, but didn't want an uneven distribution.


Do you think all 15 are worthy of making the list?

[Boner M]

T1
400 Blows
Beau Travail
Diabolique
Last Year at Marienbad
My Life to Live
Playtime
The Son

T2
Au hasard Balthazar
Children of Paradise
La Promesse
Mouchette
Rififi
Sans soleil
The Wages of Fear

T3
Army of Shadows
Cache
Eyes Without a Face
The Green Ray
La Cérémonie
Loulou
A Man Escaped
The Tenant

T4
L'Atalante
The Battle of Algiers
La Belle noiseuse
Lovers on the Bridge
Night and Fog
L'Intrus
Rosetta
Le Samourai

[Boner M]

Guess I need to see The Man Who Planted Trees, huh.

[dreamdead]

Guess I need to see The Man Who Planted Trees, huh.

Yeah, this list is gonna force me to youtube that up, and now I'll have to get Children of Paradise by Thursday. Thanks for the incentive, Qrazy.

[Eleven]

I
400 Blows
The Battle of Algiers
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
A Man Escaped
Playtime
The Rules of the Game
Sans soleil

II
L'Atalante
Army of Shadows
Belle de Jour
Cleo from 5 to 7
The Earrings of Madame de...
Napoleon
Night and Fog

III
Band of Outsiders
Celine and Julie Go Boating
Un Chien Andalou
The Double Life of Veronique
Grand Illusion
La Jetee
The Son
Umbrellas of Cherbourg, The

IV
Au hasard Balthazar
Le Boucher
La Bête humaine
Beauty and the Beast
The Blood of a Poet
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Man Who Planted Trees
The Passion of Joan of Arc

[monolith94]

Guess I need to see The Man Who Planted Trees, huh.
Nah, more people need to love Delicatessen, that's the far more pressing issue.

[soitgoes...]

TIER I
The Battle of Algiers
Blue
The Earrings of Madame de...
Grand Illusion
The Man Who Planted Trees
An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge
The Rules of the Game

TIER II
Blood of the Beasts
Forbidden Games
A Man Escaped
Manon of the Spring
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Red
Rififi

TIER III
8 Women
Amelie
Band of Outsiders
La Belle noiseuse
La Bête humaine
The Double Life of Veronique
L'Enfant
A Trip to the Moon

TIER IV
Army of Shadows
Beauty and the Beast
Cache
Children of Paradise
The Gleaners and I
The Green Ray
Jean de Florette
Port of Shadows

[Melville]

I edited my original post to incorporate The Son:

Tier I: in: The Son
out: The Man Who Planted Trees

Tier II: in: The Man Who Planted Trees
out: Un Chien Andalou

Tier III: in: Un Chien Andalou
out: Irreversible

Tier IV: in: Irreversible
out: A Trip to the Moon

[ledfloyd]

Tier I
White
Army of Shadows
Blue
The Double Life of Veronique
Jules and Jim
Masculin Feminin
Red

Tier II
Elevator to the Gallows
Hiroshima Mon Amour
Shoot the Piano Player
The Rules of the Game
400 Blows
Breathless
Amelie

Tier III
Children of Paradise
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Band of Outsiders
Delicatessen
Day for Night
L'Enfant
Cache
The Grand Illusion

Tier IV
A Very Long Engagement
City of Lost Children
Bob Le Flambeur
Contempt
A Trip to the Moon
Un Chien Andalou
Belle Du Jour
Touchez Pas Au Grisbi

[Llopin]

TIER I
My Night at Maud's
My Life to Live
Mon oncle
The Fire Within
La Belle noiseuse
Sans solei
La Souffle au Coeur
La Jetee

TIER II
Bed and Board
À nos amours
Au hasard Balthazar
Claire’s Knee
Le Trou
Masculin-Feminin
Diabolique
Au Revoir Les Enfants

TIER III
Contempt
The Wages of Fear
Le Samourai
Rosetta
Elevator to the Gallows
Lola
Zero for Conduct

TIER IV
400 Blows
A Heart in Winter
La Bête humaine
L'Enfant
The Green Ray
Last Year at Marienbad
Mouchette
To be and to Have

[Qrazy]

Yeah, this list is gonna force me to youtube that up, and now I'll have to get Children of Paradise by Thursday. Thanks for the incentive, Qrazy.

Il n'y a pas de quoi.

[Philosophe_rouge]

Il n'y a pas de quoi.
There is no what? WHAT?

[Philosophe_rouge]

I clearly fail French cinema looking at this list...

Tier I
Jules and Jim
The Man Who Planted Trees
Band of Outsiders
Cleo from 5 to 7
The Earrings of Madame de...
Grand Illusion
Hiroshima, mon amour

Tier II
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Les Demoiselles de Rochefort
Port of Shadows
My Life to Live
Pepe la Moko
Contempt
Diabolique

Tier III
Red
Eyes Without a Face
Beauty and the Beast
Belle de Jour
L'Atalante
Alphaville
Leon: The Professional
Elevator to the Gallows

Tier IV
That Obscure Object of Desire
Amelie
A Woman is a Woman
A Very Long Engagement
Kirikou and the Sorceress
The Dreamers
The Triplets of Belleville
Day For Night

[Qrazy]

There is no what? WHAT?

lolzors?

[Philosophe_rouge]

lolzors?
I think my brain is asplosin :pritch:

[Qrazy]

39 rep to my 36? Damnation!

[jesse]

Aiight, I'm not going to put myself in a situation again where I didn't vote in a poll and then want to bitch about it afterwards. And in anticipation of Amelie inevitably placing high...

Tier I
400 Blows
Cleo from 5 to 7
Celine and Julie Go Boating
Hiroshima, mon amour
India Song
Last Year at Marienbad
Mother and the Whore, The

Tier II
L'Atalante
Au hasard Balthazar
Contempt
Les Demoiselles de Rochefort
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Friday Night
Time Regained

Tier III
The Battle of Algiers
Beau Travail
Breathless
Diary of a Country Priest
My Night at Maud's
Le Samourai
Sans soleil

Tier IV
8 Women
The Blood of a Poet
Blue
La Cérémonie
La Jetee
Mouchette
Umbrellas of Cherbourg, The

Gotta say, this is the strongest nomination pool in recent memory... now who else has seen India Song and The Mother and the Whore? (I could kiss you.) And of course there's the inexplicables... Paris Je t'aime? Eh?

[Raiders]

The Mother and the Whore? (I could kiss you.)

A hug will suffice.

Or money.

[jesse]

A hug will suffice.

Or money. Well, I'm short on the latter and a virtual hug just isn't the same, so I'll just rep you.

[Raiders]

Well, I'm short on the latter and a virtual hug just isn't the same, so I'll just rep you.

Receiving rep for a film with "whore" in the title just feels so right.

[jesse]

Oh, and could somebody explain the inclusion of The Dreamers? Because it certainly doesn't qualify under the language qualification. I see it has some French money in it though. Is that enough?

I ask because I'd like to vote for it, but I don't feel justified in doing so.

[Qrazy]

I kept the ballot inclusive so that we could all get as many recs as possible but it may not really qualify. I'll keep it on but if you don't feel comfortable voting for it, don't vote for it.

[NickGlass]

I'm so glad I found time to chime in on this consensus. J'aime le cinema francais.

Tier I
400 Blows
Band of Outsiders
Blue
Contempt
La Jetee
Jules and Jim
The Son

Tier II
Cleo from 5 to 7
La Promesse
Last Year at Marienbad
A Man Escaped
Masculin-Feminin
Rosetta
Umbrellas of Cherbourg, The

Tier III
Breathless
Kings and Queen
My Night at Maud's
My Life to Live
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Piano Teacher
Shoot the Piano Player
The Rules of the Game

Tier IV
The Battle of Algiers
Belle de Jour
La Bête humaine
Cache
Day For Night
Un Chien Andalou
A Woman is a Woman
Zero for Conduct

[Weeping_Guitar]

Tier I
400 Blows
The Double Life of Veronique
Jules and Jim
Red
Shoot the Piano Player
Umbrellas of Cherbourg, The
A Woman is a Woman

Tier II
Rififi
Army of Shadows
Bed and Board
Band of Outsiders
Cleo from 5 to 7
Bob le Flambeur
Elevator to the Gallows

Tier III
Day For Night
Blue
Le Samourai
Amelie
Grand Illusion
Masculin-Feminin
Au Revoir Les Enfants
The Dreamers
My Night at Maud's

Tier IV
L'Atalante
My Life to Live
The Rules of the Game
Le Boucher
A Man Escaped
Diabolique
Beauty and the Beast
Cache

[dreamdead]

Tier I
Cleo from 5 to 7
Children of Paradise
The Fantastic Planet
A Man Escaped
My Night at Maud's
My Life to Live
The Passion of Joan of Arc

Tier II
400 Blows
The Battle of Algiers
Beau Travail
Friday Night
Grand Illusion
L'Intrus
The Son

Tier III
Contempt
The Double Life of Veronique
La Jetee
Mouchette
Pickpocket
The Piano Teacher
Red
The Rules of the Game

Tier IV
Band of Outsiders
Blue
Demonlover
The Green Ray
That Obscure Object of Desire
A Woman is a Woman
Weekend

[Melville]

I edited my original post to add Children of Paradise to Tier II. I moved Red down to Tier III and Shoot the Piano Player to Tier IV. Triplets of Belleville is out.

[baby doll]

How the hell did White get on the list? It's set mainly in Poland. Anyway...

Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966)
Cléo de 5 Ã* 7 (Agnès Varda, 1961)
Les Demoiselles de Rochefort (Jacques Demy, 1967)
Lola (Jacques Demy, 1961)
Playtime (Jacques Tati, 1967)
Pickpocket (Robert Bresson, 1959)
La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939)

Cet obscur objet du désir (Luis Buñuel, 1977)
Mon oncle (Jacques Tati, 1958)
Mouchette (Robert Bresson, 1967)
La Promesse (Jean-Pierre and Luc Dardenne, 1996)
Sans soleil (Chris Marker, 1983)
Vivre sa vie: Film en douze tableaux (Jean-Luc Godard, 1962)
Weekend (Jean-Luc Godard, 1967)

La Belle et le Bête (Jean Cocteau, 1946)
Beau travail (Claire Denis, 1999)
demonlover (Olivier Assayas, 2002)
Monsieur Hire (Patrice Leconte, 1989)
Orphée (Jean Cocteau, 1950)
La Pianiste (Michael Haneke, 2001)
Les Roseaux sauvages (André Téchiné, 1994)
Les Vacances de Monsieur Hulot (Jacques Tati, 1953)

Les Amants du pont-neuf (Leos Carax, 1991)
Céline et Julie vont en bateau (Jacques Rivette, 1974)
Chocolat (Claire Denis, 1988)
Éloge de l'amour (Jean-Luc Godard, 2001)
La Grande illusion (Jean Renoir, 1937)
L'Humanité (Bruno Dumont, 1999)
Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963)
Trouble Every Day (Claire Denis, 2001)

[Qrazy]

If someone feels like tallying this go for it... cause I sure as shit don't.

[Melville]

Sure, I'll do it, probably on the weekend.

[Philosophe_rouge]

I'm going to alter my list, I've seen many french films since this started. I'll do it now. Thanks for volunteering Melville, I've been looking forward to this for some time.

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

TIER I
---------
Passion of Joan of Arc
Hiroshima mon Amour
La Jetee
A Man Escaped
Jules and Jim
Le Samourai
L'Atalante

TIER II
--------
Le Samourai
Claire's Knee
Discreet Charm of the Bourgiose
Contempt
Playtime
Napoleon
Army of Shadows

TIER III
---------
Cleo from 5 to 7
Eyes Without a Face
Shoot the Piano Player
My Life to Live
Wages of Fear
The Rules of the Game
Blood of the Beasts
Obscure Object of Desire

TIER IV
---------
Sans Soliel
Le Trou
400 Blows
Piano Teacher
Blue
Beauty and the Beast
The Tenant
Elevator to the Gallows

[Melville]

Okay, I'm going to start compiling the results, so voting's closed.