Match Cut Directors Consensus - Richard Donner

[StanleyK]

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Filmography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001149/#director)

Rules (http://www.match-cut.org/showpost.php?p=122142&postcount=1)

[Boner M]

The Omen - 7
Lethal Weapon - 6.5

Saw Lethal Weapon 4, but way too long ago. It sucked, from memory. I also saw the Maverick stage production at Warner Bros. Movie World around the time of the movie's release. It sucked, from memory.

[Melville]

Superman - 4
Superman II - 3.5
Ladyhawke - 5.5
The Goonies - 5.5
Lethal Weapon - 6
Scrooged - 4.5
Lethal Weapon 2 - 3
Lethal Weapon 3 - 2
Maverick - 6
Assassins - 2
Conspiracy Theory - 2.5
Lethal Weapon 4 - 2

I didn't realize I had seen so many of his movies.

[Raiders]

The Omen (1976) 5.0
Superman (1978) 7.0
Ladyhawke (1985) 5.5
The Goonies (1985) 5.0
Lethal Weapon (1987) 6.5
Scrooged (1988) 2.5
Radio Flyer (1992) 4.0
Maverick (1994) 3.5

Are we counting Superman II as his? He wasn't credited and I believe Lester got rid of most of the work done before he took over production.

[Kurosawa Fan]

The Omen - 5.5
Superman - 5.0
The Toy - 1.0
The Goonies - 7.5
Lethal Weapon - 6.0
Scrooged - 8.0
Lethal Weapon 2 - 5.0
Lethal Weapon 3 - 4.0
Maverick - 7.0
Assassins - 2.5
Conspiracy Theory - 5.0
Lethal Weapon 4 - 2.0


I blame my dad for my having seen this many of his films.

[Adam]

Superman 6.5
Superman II 7
Lethal Weapon 6.5
Lethal Weapon 2 7
Conspiracy Theory 5
Lethal Weapon 4 6
Timeline 4.5
16 Blocks 3.5

[Spinal]

Superman - 7
The Toy - 5.5
Ladyhawke - 9
The Goonies - 3
Lethal Weapon - 6
Lethal Weapon 2 - 5
Lethal Weapon 3 - 2.5
Maverick - 1.5

Not going to count Superman II.

[Spinal]

I blame my dad for my having seen this many of his films.

And yet you somehow missed his best one.

[B-side]

Nothing. Can't say I'm terribly upset about that either.

[Qrazy]

Superman - 7.5
Ladyhawke - 7.5
The Goonies - 7
Scrooged - 5
Lethal Weapon 3 - 6
Maverick - 6
Lethal Weapon 4 - 3

[Morris Schæffer]

The Omen - 8.0
Superman - 10
Ladyhawke - 8.5
The Goonies - 6.5
Lethal Weapon - 9.0
Lethal Weapon 2 - 8.0
Lethal Weapon 3 - 7.0
Assassins - 5.0
Conspiracy Theory - 3.5
Lethal Weapon 4 - 6.0
16 Blocks - 4.5

I really think he's good enough and he did Superman, which is one of the great comic book movies, thus deserving a small spot in movie history as far as I'm concerned.

[Rowland]

Lethal Weapon - 7
Scrooged - 6
Radio Flyer - 2
Maverick - 6
Lethal Weapon 4 - 5
16 Blocks - 5

[Grouchy]

The Omen - 7
Superman: The Movie - 6
Lethal Weapon - 8
Lethal Weapon 2 - 8

I noticed that Criticker doesn't count Superman II, so I'm going to go with that.

[Pop Trash]

Superman -8
The Goonies -7
Lethal Weapon -5
Scrooged -8
Lethal Weapon 2 -5
Lethal Weapon 3 -3

I never really got the appeal of the Lethal Weapon series, and retrospectively the only Mel Gibson series I'm able to enjoy anymore are the Mad Max movies.

I've also seen Ladyhawke and The Omen and remember enjoying them but it's been too long to accurately rate them.

[soitgoes...]

The Omen (1976) - 5.5
Superman (1978) - 7.0
The Toy (1982) - 3.0
The Goonies (1985) - 7.0
Ladyhawke (1985) - 5.0
Lethal Weapon (1987) - 6.5
Scrooged (1988) - 5.5
Lethal Weapon 2 (1989) - 3.0
Lethal Weapon 3 (1992) - 2.5
Maverick (1994) - 5.5
Assassins (1995) - 1.0
Conspiracy Theory (1997) - 6.5
Lethal Weapon 4 (1998) - 3.0
Timeline (2003) - 3.5

[Spinal]

What are the objections to Ladyhawke? If you say the synth music, I will punch you in the nose.

[Ezee E]

The Omen - 6
Superman - 7
Superman II - 7
The Goonies - 5
Maverick - 8
Assassins - 5
Sixteen Blocks - 7

[megladon8]

The ratings I'm seeing here for Superman are actually making me consider never posting on this forum again and cutting all contact with all of you.

And I'm not even joking. Not in the slightest.

[BuffaloWilder]

They do have their problems.

[Winston*]

What are the objections to Ladyhawke? If you say the synth music, I will punch you in the nose.

I liked Ladyhawke a lot, but the synth music is bad, Spinal.

[Stay Puft]

The Omen - 5
Scrooged - 8
16 Blocks - 5

[Mara]

The ratings I'm seeing here for Superman are actually making me consider never posting on this forum again and cutting all contact with all of you.

And I'm not even joking. Not in the slightest.

Low? High? Use WORDS, Meg, use words.

[Kurosawa Fan]

And yet you somehow missed his best one.

Again, I blame my dad. His favorite movie is Peacemaker. Need I say anything else?

[Mysterious Dude]

The Omen - 6
Superman - 7
Ladyhawke - 8
The Goonies - 7.5

[jenniferofthejungle]

The Omen - 6
Superman - 10
Superman 2 - 8
The Toy - 2
Ladyhawke - 7.5 (It would be a ten for me if it didn't have the worst fing music in the history of movies)
The Goonies - 6 ( Has not aged well for me)
Lethal Weapon - 7
Scrooged - 3
Lethal Weapon 2 - 7.5
Radio Flyer - 5 (need to see it again)
Lethal Weapon 3 - 6
Maverick - 5
Assassins - 4
Conspiracy Theory - 5
Lethal Weapon 4 - 5
16 Blocks - 5.5

[Dead & Messed Up]

The Omen - 8
Superman - 9
The Goonies - 7
Scrooged - 6
Conspiracy Theory - 3
Lethal Weapon 4 - 4

He used to be good.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Need I say anything else?

I guess not, but keep posting, all the same.

[The Mike]

The Omen - 10
Superman - 8
Superman 2 - 8.5 (But he didn't direct it, right?)
The Goonies - 9
Lethal Weapon - 9.5
Scrooged - 8
Lethal Weapon 2 - 9
Lethal Weapon 3 - 5.5
Assassins - 6
Conspiracy Theory - 10
Lethal Weapon 4 - 4
Timeline - 3 (for Gerard Butler, the rest of the movie gets a -2)
16 Blocks - 8

If we're counting TV episodes:
Tales from the Crypt: The Ventriloquist's Dummy - 9
Tales from the Crypt: Dig That Cat... He's Real Gone - 8
The Twilight Zone: Nightmare at 20,000 Feet - 10
The Twilight Zone: From Agnes, With Love - 4

[Grouchy]

The ratings I'm seeing here for Superman are actually making me consider never posting on this forum again and cutting all contact with all of you.

And I'm not even joking. Not in the slightest.
Eh, my rating might be a little too low. Basically, I have two big problems with it:

Flying around the world does not make time go back.
Comedic Lex Luthor and bumbling sidekicks.

[Bosco B Thug]

The Omen - 5.5

[megladon8]

Eh, my rating might be a little too low. Basically, I have two big problems with it:

Flying around the world does not make time go back.
Comedic Lex Luthor and bumbling sidekicks.


I can understand the second one, and the first I can understand disliking because of its use as a plot device.

But are you really arguing science/logic in Superman?

[dreamdead]

Superman - 7
The Goonies - 3
Maverick - 7.5
Assassins - 2
Conspiracy Theory - 3
Lethal Weapon 4 - 3.5

The Goonies is a film that receives only scorn and dislike from me. Its racism is just infuriating to me, despite its jocular tone. Though I dislike Mel Gibson generally, I like the playfulness of the entire Maverick cast and script.

[Spinal]

Ladyhawke - 7.5 (It would be a ten for me if it didn't have the worst fing music in the history of movies)


:lol:

[Qrazy]

You guys are being very hard on the Lethal Weapon films. I hope you rate the Die Hard, Beverly Hills Cop and Rush Hour films similarly.

[Derek]

You guys are being very hard on the Lethal Weapon films. I hope you rate the Die Hard, Beverly Hills Cop and Rush Hour films similarly.

Die Hard is much better than Lethal Weapon or Beverly Hills Cop.

[Qrazy]

Die Hard is much better than Lethal Weapon or Beverly Hills Cop.

Yeah the original but I'm speaking of all the series. I don't personally feel the series is that much better than any of the others.

[B-side]

Antichrist (Trier, 2009) ***½

Good Derek is good.

[Qrazy]

Good Derek is good.

Kudos on your Mars Attacks rating... what a piece of shit.

[B-side]

Kudos on your Mars Attacks rating... what a piece of shit.

Oh god. I didn't even wanna put it in my sig, but it's what I do.

[Grouchy]

I can understand the second one, and the first I can understand disliking because of its use as a plot device.

But are you really arguing science/logic in Superman?
Well, yes, of course I am. So, ok, Superman has a lot of powers and they're not realistic, sure, but we as an audience have to know that there are limits to them in order for any story to work. If he can go back in time as he pleases without any consequences, then why do I have to care about anything that happens in the story? It can always be undnone. I have the exact same problem with the time-travelling device in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

And Mars Attacks! is awesome. One of my favorites.

[Mysterious Dude]

Here's my question: If Superman went back in time, shouldn't he have encountered another Superman who was there during that time?

[Grouchy]

Here's my question: If Superman went back in time, shouldn't he have encountered another Superman who was there during that time?
Exactly. It's one of the worst cop-outs in the history of cinema.

[Qrazy]

I agree that it's fairly crap and lowered my rating substantially.

[Morris Schæffer]

The ratings I'm seeing here for Superman are actually making me consider never posting on this forum again and cutting all contact with all of you.

And I'm not even joking. Not in the slightest.

Yeah, that surprised me also.

[Morris Schæffer]

Eh, my rating might be a little too low. Basically, I have two big problems with it:
Flying around the world does not make time go back.
Comedic Lex Luthor and bumbling sidekicks.

I love the movie, but agree with point one. God, it would have been whopper of an uppercut if the movie had ended with Supes clutching Lois' dead body in his hands.

Point two not so much. Why? It's Gene Hackman. :)

[Rowland]

Radio Flyer - 5 (need to see it again)No, you don't.

[Rowland]

Yeah the original but I'm speaking of all the series. I don't personally feel the series is that much better than any of the others.Die Hard's 3 & 4 are better than any of the Lethal Weapon sequels and all the Beverly Hills movies.

[Derek]

Die Hard's 3 & 4 are better than any of the Lethal Weapon sequels and all the Beverly Hills movies.

Third one yes, but the fourth kinda sucks.

[Rowland]

Third one yes, but the fourth kinda sucks.That seems a common perception, but I've found it in retrospect to be one of the most imaginative sequels and cleanly directed action movies of late.

[Spaceman Spiff]

That seems a common perception, but I've found it in retrospect to be one of the most imaginative sequels and cleanly directed action movies of late.

Yeah.

1 > [2 = 4] > 3

[Rowland]

Yeah.

1 > [2 = 4] > 31 > 3 > 4 > > 2

[Derek]

That seems a common perception, but I've found it in retrospect to be one of the most imaginative sequels and cleanly directed action movies of late.

I don't really have any interest in rewatching the fourth as I found it's direction bland and set pieces either unimaginative or utterly ridiculous, even for the DH universe. Having Justin Long as a sidekick did it no favors either. I haven't seen With a Vengeance in years however, so I do wonder how that one will hold up.

[Rowland]

I haven't seen With a Vengeance in years however, so I do wonder how that one will hold up.The first hour and change is great before it's bogged down in the second half with a gratuitous bomb-in-a-school subplot, and the ending is laughably anticlimactic. Still, much better than your typically hackish Hollywood action movie, directed with flair by McTiernan and benefiting considerably from all of its NYC location shooting.

[Qrazy]

Ehh I've seen the third one twice now and there's as much bad as good there. I don't see that it's significantly better than Beverly Hills, Rush Hour, Lethal Weapon, etc. I'd have to watch them back to back to know which one I prefer but it's all the same brand of mediocrity.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Yeah.

1 > [2 = 4] > 3

...I agree.

:cool:

[Morris Schæffer]

That seems a common perception, but I've found it in retrospect to be one of the most imaginative sequels and cleanly directed action movies of late.

Looking at how low the action genre has fallen as of recently, Die Hard 4.0 was a tremendous blast. Good post Rowland.

[Spun Lepton]

1 > 3 > 4 > > 2

Agreed. :D

EDIT: Actually, no, I didn't read that right.

1 > 3 > 2 > 4

[Spun Lepton]

The Omen -- 7/10
Superman -- 5/10
Superman 2 -- 7/10
The Toy -- 3/10
Ladyhawke -- 7/10 (haven't seen it in a long time)
The Goonies -- 4/10
Scrooged -- 7/10
Lethal Weapon -- 7/10
Lethal Weapon 2 -- 6/10
Lethal Weapon 3 -- 5/10
Assassins -- 5/10
Conspiracy Theory -- 5/10
Lethal Weapon 4 -- 5/10

I think I appreciate his work on Tales from the Crypt more than anything else he's done. "Dig That Cat ... He's Real Gone" was one of the best episodes of the series.

[Yxklyx]

The Omen - 5
Superman - 8
Superman II - 5

[thefourthwall]

Superman - 7.5
Ladyhawke - 8
Goonies 8.5
Scrooged - 7
Maverick - 7.5
Conspiracy Theory - 6
Lethal Weapon 4 - This came free with my first dvd player in 2000, but I've never watched it.

[D_Davis]

1 > 3 > 4 > > 2

Yes. Although I'd add a few >s between 1 and 3

[Derek]

Superman - 6.0
The Goonies - 6.5
Lethal Weapon - 7.0
Scrooged - 6.5
Lethal Weapon 2 - 6.0
Lethal Weapon 3 - 5.0
Conspiracy Theory - 4.0
Lethal Weapon 4 - 3.5

[MadMan]

Previously I had not realized that I had seen 10 movies from Donner. He might be in consideration for a favorite director of mine-we'll see. Anyways....

The Omen (1976)-10.0
The Goonies (1985)-8.0
Lethal Weapon (1987)-9.0
Scrooged (1988)-9.0
Lethal Weapon 2 (1989)-8.5
Lethal Weapon 3 (1992)-8.0
Maverick (1994)-8.5
Assassins (1995)-3.0
Conspiracy Theory (1997)-6.5
Lethal Weapon 4 (1998)-4.5

See, this is why I love the 100 scale more. Some of these movie's ratings were rounded up. Guess its about time I saw Superman, eh? :P
Looking at the rest of his filmography, there's not a whole lot left that's really worth seeing.

[StanleyK]

Results:

Ladyhawke - 7.150 (10)
Superman - 7.125 (20)
Lethal Weapon - 7.031 (16)
The Omen - 6.656 (17)
The Goonies - 6.278 (18)
Scrooged - 6.267 (15)
Lethal Weapon 2 - 6.231 (13)
Maverick - 6.000 (12)
16 Blocks - 5.500 (7)
Conspiracy Theory - 5.000 (13)
Lethal Weapon 3 - 4.708 (12)
Lethal Weapon 4 - 4.036 (14)
Assassins - 3.550 (10)
The Toy - 2.900 (5)

Average: 5.602

Didn't make it:

Superman II - 6.571 (7) ---> it's not his.
Radio Flyer - 3.667 (3)
Timeline - 3.667 (3)

Most seen: jenniferofthejungle

[Spun Lepton]

Superman II - 6.571 (7) ---> it's not his.

D'oh!

[MadMan]

The Omen - 6.656 (17)Heh, only a few more percentage points were needed...

[megladon8]

Despite my obviously sarcastic response a few days ago, I really do find it disconcerting how low some of the ratings for Superman are.

I didn't even grow up with it (the first film is the only one I had never seen as a kid) and I still find it to be the very definition of "movie magic" watching it as a grown man.

And Christopher Reeve as Superman/Clark Kent is the single greatest piece of film casting ever.

[Derek]

Despite my obviously sarcastic response a few days ago, I really do find it disconcerting how low some of the ratings for Superman are.

Aside from two 5's and a 4, 17 ratings were 6 and higher. I can't really see what's so surprising about that. Given the fact that a number MatchCutters are not all that interested in superhero movies, I'd say it fared better than I expected it would.

[The Mike]

Despite my obviously sarcastic response a few days ago, I really do find it disconcerting how low some of the ratings for Superman are.

I didn't even grow up with it (the first film is the only one I had never seen as a kid) and I still find it to be the very definition of "movie magic" watching it as a grown man.

And Christopher Reeve as Superman/Clark Kent is the single greatest piece of film casting ever.

Try loving Conspiracy Theory. :cry:

[StanleyK]

The Omen (1976) - 5.5
Superman (1978) - 4
Inside Moves (1980) - 7
The Toy (1982) - 1
Ladyhawke (1985) - 7
The Goonies (1985) - 4
Lethal Weapon (1987) - 5.5
Scrooged (1988) - 1
Lethal Weapon 2 (1989) - 5.5
Radio Flyer (1992) - 5.5
Lethal Weapon 3 (1992) - 4
Maverick (1994) - 5.5
Assassins (1995) - 5.5
Conspiracy Theory (1997) - 5.5
Timeline (2003) - 2.5
16 Blocks (2006) - 5.5


His reputation for making generally above average action films is unearned imo, and the two comedies he made are among the worst I've ever seen.