The Match Cut Xtreme Crocheting Thread (and The Dark Knight)

[Saya]

I don't think there are any non-HD downloadable versions of the trailer. Only HD 1080p ones and the online flash trailer.

[Mysterious Dude]

I was a little concerned about Ledger as the Joker from the photos, but I believe the clips from that trailer have sold me.

I can't believe I have to wait until July to see this.

[[ETM]]

Can I see a 1080p trailer on my TFT monitor? A chunk cannot be displayed it seems. My TV can do 1366 X 768 so that's not 1080p either. But perhaps I can set the TV at 1080i?

Or maybe I'm just dumb.

With the full version of Quicktime, you can choose "full screen" where the video is resized to your resolution. However, resized Quicktime video sucks, hard.

[Sycophant]

Actual screenplay excerpt:
This is the funniest thing on the Internet today.

[megladon8]

Hilarious. The Dark Knight will do for "insane" what Batman Begins did for "fear".


Yeh, I think we've already established time and time again that you...

a) don't like Batman Begins
b) think The Dark Knight looks bad

[Sven]

Yeh, I think we've already established time and time again that you...

a) don't like Batman Begins
b) think The Dark Knight looks bad

I'm trying not to be a downer, here. I'm genuinely intrigued by this movie. Since all the footage and posters have surfaced, I don't think I've been explicitly hardcore negative about anything. I'm just here to offer a skeptic's perspective in the midst of all the sploogin'.

[megladon8]

I'm trying not to be a downer, here. I'm genuinely intrigued by this movie. Since all the footage and posters have surfaced, I don't think I've been explicitly hardcore negative about anything. I'm just here to offer a skeptic's perspective in the midst of all the sploogin'.


I know, I was just buggin' you :P

I really hope you like this one more than Batman Begins.

[Sven]

I really hope you like this one more than Batman Begins.

Me too!

[megladon8]

Could this possibly be the most anticipated movie of all time?

[Scar]

Could this possibly be the most anticipated movie of all time?

LOTR/LOTR sequels?

[Watashi]

Could this possibly be the most anticipated movie of all time?
I think the prequels were.

[Sycophant]

Could this possibly be the most anticipated movie of all time?Here? Yes.

Elsewhere? I don't know. In my circle of friends, there are certainly films we're collectively looking forward to more, and personally, there's at least 20 others I'm more stoked about.

[Ezee E]

The right answer is There Will Be Blood.

[Scar]

I think the prequels were.

I'll second this.

[DavidSeven]

Judging by the business it did, I'm sure the anticipation that existed for Spider-Man 2 blows The Dark Knight out of the water.

[Rowland]

Could this possibly be the most anticipated movie of all time?By who, you?

[Morris Schæffer]

Well, I'm glad Iosos is here to counterbalance all the positivity because I do find it insanely overwhelming at this point considering most of the praise seems to be reserved for one aspect of the film, albeit an admittedly crucial one. That would be Ledger as Joker. I'm hoping he will be scary. And that he will perpetrate awful crimes because robbing banks is so insanely normal, prologue or not. Regrettably, but understandably, we will be spared the grisly details of whatever heinous acts he commits, but let's hope the power of suggestion will be used persuasively at carefully chosen intervals. Let's hope that a little kid buys the farm 13th Precinct-style at the hands of the joker. Or two kids to be on the safe side. And perhaps Joker could strangle the kids' cat or dog before offing the little tykes. Something unspeakably evil that makes me genuinely want to loathe the guy. Not just crazy oneliners and evil looks while licking his own lips.

[megladon8]

By who, you?


Good one, Rowland. Original.

Lately I've really had to hold myself back from telling you off.

[Boner M]

I saw this movie last night and it was OK.

[Watashi]

I saw this movie last night and it was OK.
Thoughts plz.

[Boner M]

Thoughts plz.
I can't really remember it that well. I'd give it a 6.5

[Watashi]

I can't really remember it that well. I'd give it a 6.5
Hmmm... I don't believe you.

[Boner M]

Hmmm... I don't believe you.
My uncle's best friend works for the studio or something. So I got to see it.

It was pretty good, but nothing to wait 6 months for. I thus propose this thread be closed.

[Rowland]

Good one, Rowland. Original.

Lately I've really had to hold myself back from telling you off.Umm, what?

Sorry, I'll answer your question. Yes, it is.

[Winston*]

I believe you, boner.

[Boner M]

I believe you, boner.
Good.

[Duncan]

This thread is like a portal to some alternate universe that I could never be a part of. I do not understand.

[Ezee E]

I gave boner the print. It's true.

[transmogrifier]

Could this possibly be the most anticipated movie of all time?

If so, than all-time really needs to get its act together.

[MadMan]

That trailer rocks. I think Ledger will be great as the Joker. I'm not so sure we need any other villians though. I mean last time I checked the Joker was the Bat's greatest nemsis, and thus any other enemies will pale in comparrison.

[megladon8]

That trailer rocks. I think Ledger will be great as the Joker. I'm not so sure we need any other villians though. I mean last time I checked the Joker was the Bat's greatest nemsis, and thus any other enemies will pale in comparrison.


I'm thinking that'll be a big part of the film - looking at how sick Gotham has become, and also how everything evil in Gotham pales in comparison to The Joker.

[Watashi]

This thread is like a portal to some alternate universe that I could never be a part of. I do not understand.
It's really not that different from the hype for There Will Be Blood. I'd almost say the PTA film has more rabid fanboys right now (just by digging around in RT). At least one of them has decades of history and fanbase built-in.

[Sycophant]

It's really not that different from the hype for There Will Be Blood. I'd almost say the PTA film has more rabid fanboys right now (just by digging around in RT). At least one of them has decades of history and fanbase built-in.
Upton Sinclair's been around longer than Batman.

:|

[DavidSeven]

Good trailer. There are at least a few shots in here that look more interesting than anything Nolan has shown us before. Perhaps this will be where he breaks away from the bland aesthetic that has been the signature of his work.

[Qrazy]

I'm going to have to be another semi-negative voice. Love the eyes and joker teaser posters, the cityscape one is mediocre, mostly because of the placement of the title. The trailer was nothing special, not very well edited and to be honest I find Nolan's compositions here somewhat lacking compared to all his other work. The shot of the kid falling down the well and the umbrellas at the funeral in the first teaser for Begins were much more powerful compositions. I'm still anticipating. I love Nolan's style and I haven't disliked a film from him yet, but I'll need a better trailer to light my fire.

[Qrazy]

Upton Sinclair's been around longer than Batman.

:|

That's what you think! HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!

[Sycophant]

That's what you think! HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!
http://whatnot.bombdotcom.net/shit/civilbatman.jpg

D'oh!

[Qrazy]

http://whatnot.bombdotcom.net/shit/civilbatman.jpg

D'oh!

Nice one, needs more Dersu Uzala though. :)

[Watashi]

Upton Sinclair's been around longer than Batman.

:|
PTA hasn't.

[Boner M]

I love Nolan's style
This statement is somewhere between baffling and zen.

[Boner M]

It's really not that different from the hype for There Will Be Blood. I'd almost say the PTA film has more rabid fanboys right now (just by digging around in RT). At least one of them has decades of history and fanbase built-in.
Wait, how does having 'decades of history' (which, as Sycophant noted, TWBB has more of) and a built-in fanbase justify the hype of a film over another?

[Sven]

PTA hasn't.

Ah, but PTA has been around longer than Nolan. Zing!

[Qrazy]

This statement is somewhere between baffling and zen.

Why baffling?

[Ezee E]

Wait, how does having 'decades of history' (which, as Sycophant noted, TWBB has more of) and a built-in fanbase justify the hype of a film over another?
I think since the Batman character has been around forever, there's more reason that people would look forward to a movie, whereas, people are looking forward to PTA's film because it's PTA.

I do not see anything wrong with that.

[megladon8]

Wait, how does having 'decades of history' (which, as Sycophant noted, TWBB has more of) and a built-in fanbase justify the hype of a film over another?


I think it'd be pretty stupid to try to argue that Upton Sinclair is a more popular character than Batman.

The Dark Knight is a sequel to a film which was monumentally successful, and has one of the biggest ad-campaigns I've ever seen.

There Will Be Blood is a relatively small film, isn't being advertised very much, has less recognizable stars, and is simply a less interesting topic in the public eye.

Add to that the fact that yes, Batman has nearly 7 decades of rabid fanbase, and it's easy to see why one is more anticipated than the other.

[Scar]

What the fuck is PTA?

[Sycophant]

What the fuck is PTA?Paul Thomas Anderson, my dear boy.

[Scar]

Paul Thomas Anderson, my dear boy.

Boy?





















:P

[megladon8]

What the fuck is PTA?


Isn't it a male genital piercing? :)

[DavidSeven]

Why baffling?

This is the standard response to someone who declares their love for something that doesn't exist.

[Boner M]

I think it'd be pretty stupid to try to argue that Upton Sinclair is a more popular character than Batman.
Good, because I wasn't trying to argue that. I was replying to Wats' inference that TDK somehow deserves it's hype more than TWBB because of the reasons he stated. I just don't understand.

[EvilShoe]

Good, because I wasn't trying to argue that. I was replying to Wats' inference that TDK somehow deserves it's hype more than TWBB because of the reasons he stated. I just don't understand.
Upton Sinclair only has himself to blame. He would be getting a lot more respect on here had he dressed up as a giant bat from time to time.

Incidentally, has anyone here read Oil!? How is it?

[Watashi]

Good, because I wasn't trying to argue that. I was replying to Wats' inference that TDK somehow deserves it's hype more than TWBB because of the reasons he stated. I just don't understand.
Wait, where did I say that? I just said the hype for both films are substantially similar just one is a comic book icon who has decades of fans who want to see the Joker done "right" and the other is a PTA and Daniel Day-Lewis dynamic collaboration. I'm anticipating both films greatly. It just seems that the forced skepticism because of its rabid fans is a little grating.

[Boner M]

Wait, where did I say that? I just said the hype for both films are substantially similar just one is a comic book icon who has decades of fans want to see the Joker done "right" and the other is a PTA and Daniel Day-Lewis dynamic collaboration. I'm anticipating both films greatly. It just seems that the forced skepticism because of its rabid fans is a little grating.
OK, sorry, I misread your first reply to Duncan's post. I just thought the TWBB reference was a little random. I haven't been reading RT recently, so that might have something to do with it.

PS: I've seen The Dark Knight.

[Grouchy]

This thread has turned into Idiot Valley.

Batman doesn't deserve this.

[Qrazy]

This is the standard response to someone who declares their love for something that doesn't exist.

Nolan's style doesn't exist?

[megladon8]

Nolan's style doesn't exist?


They're saying he has no style.

Don't worry, I agree with you.

I honestly don't know what they're talking about. I see very distinct stylistic choices in his films, as well as great growth. I can tell easily that Memento and The Prestige are by the same filmmaker.

[DavidSeven]

Nolan's style doesn't exist?

What style? Bingo.

[Qrazy]

What style? Bingo.

That's just silly.

[MacGuffin]

That's just silly.

He's just not a very good director. He has no style and no sense of structure. Any of his films could have been directed by anyone. The case in point is remake of a film in which I have not seen the original: Insomnia.

[Milky Joe]

I don't know about anybody else, but I find the idea of hordes of rabid raving Upton Sinclair fanboys storming the theaters to see There Will Be Blood pretty hilarious. Really just the idea of a raving Upton Sinclair fanboy.

[megladon8]

He's just not a very good director. He has no style and no sense of structure. Any of his films could have been directed by anyone. The case in point is remake of a film in which I have not seen the original: Insomnia.


I completely disagree.

As I said earlier, I can tell very easily that Memento and The Prestige are by the same director.

And the pair of him directing and his brother writing is just wonderful.

I have not seen a film by Nolan which I didn't enjoy.

[MacGuffin]

As I said earlier, I can tell very easily that Memento and The Prestige are by the same director.

I'm not sure how aside from the credits...


And the pair of him directing and his brother writing is just wonderful.

I didn't know this. His brother seems to have more talent then he does if this is the truth.

[megladon8]

I'm not sure how aside from the credits...

He has an unmistakable storytelling style, which has really developed in his last two movies. While Memento's use of non-linear storytelling was more along the lines of a gimmick, in Batman Begins and The Prestige it's more organic, and feels like an actual part of the story, rather than something used to simply keep the viewer guessing.

I'm still amazed when I watch The Prestige and I see how the film literally unfolds the same way as a magic trick. And the fact that Jonathan Nolan was able to take a book so complex and original and completely change it while maintaining the same themes and being arguably better than the book is incredible. (I actually haven't read the book myself, but while Jen was reading it she basically told me all about what was going on through every chapter).



I didn't know this. His brother seems to have more talent then he does if this is the truth.

I think they work best as a team.

I'll see anything these guys do.

[number8]

I'm not sure how aside from the credits...

Watch again (but you probably won't). Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige and even Batman Begins employed identical time-lapse editing technique, and he's fond of quiet montages (the explanation in Prestige, Al Pacino in his hotel room, Bruce Wayne recalling his dad using the stethoscope). His use of flashbacks are also often deliberately abrupt and intrusive. He might not have an immediately distinctive gimmick, but he has a signature style that's pretty obvious when you know where to look.

[MacGuffin]

He has an unmistakable storytelling style, which has really developed in his last two movies. While Memento's use of non-linear storytelling was more along the lines of a gimmick, in Batman Begins and The Prestige it's more organic, and feels like an actual part of the story, rather than something used to simply keep the viewer guessing.

He's no auteur.

I don't know how his storytelling has developed at all really. He's went from a gimmicky structure to stealing the structures and style of a Robert Bresson movie and has never really settled on anything he could call his own. He's a fraud.

I also don't really know what you mean by his storytelling being apart of the story in Batman Begins and The Prestige, which to his advantage, shows some signs of promise, but mostly due to color schemes and sets. Half of which doesn't take a genius to come up with, especially considering the film's thematic content. The other half of which wasn't even designed by him.

[Boner M]

To his credit, I do like his fondness for textured, brooding ambient hums for music scores - Memento's is one of the best of the decade.

[Boner M]

stealing the structures and style of a Robert Bresson movie
Dude.

[megladon8]

He's no auteur.

I don't know how his storytelling has developed at all really. He's went from a gimmicky structure to stealing the structures of a Robert Bresson and has never really settled on anything he could call his own. He's a fraud.

That's a pretty ridiculous blanket statement.



I also don't really know what you mean by his storytelling being apart of the story in Batman Begins and The Prestige, which to his advantage, shows some signs of promise, but mostly due to color schemes and sets. Half of which doesn't take a genius to come up with, especially considering the film's thematic content. The other half of which wasn't even designed by him.

Well then I'm sorry but I don't know how to explain it further, especially with The Prestige, which I think is pretty self-evident.

He structures the entire film in the same 3-act structure as the magic tricks he is analyzing throughout the film.

And the way the film makes the viewer switch allegiances with the characters is pretty brilliant.

[Rowland]

Whoa now, what's all this about a gimmick? Memento is still easily his best movie.

[megladon8]

To his credit, I do like his fondness for textured, brooding ambient hums for music scores - Memento's is one of the best of the decade.


Yeh, David Julyan's awesome.

His score for The Prestige is great as well.

[MacGuffin]

Dude.

Eh. I didn't come up with that one, but it's true.

[MacGuffin]

That's a pretty ridiculous blanket statement.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it isn't.


And the way the film makes the viewer switch allegiances with the characters is pretty brilliant.

I'm pretty sure that isn't either.

[Grouchy]

I don't know about anybody else, but I find the idea of hordes of rabid raving Upton Sinclair fanboys storming the theaters to see There Will Be Blood pretty hilarious. Really just the idea of a raving Upton Sinclair fanboy.
It's fucking gold, like something out of the best Monty Python. Imagine raving hordes of Upton Sinclair fanboys (Upton Sinclair t-shirts and all) fighting an army of Batman geeks. WHAT'S THE MOST ANTICIPATED MOVIE OF ALL-TIME NOW?

[Rowland]

identical time-lapse editing techniqueWhat's this you're referring to? I don't recall Nolan using time-lapse.

[Boner M]

Eh. I didn't come up with that one, but it's true.
WTF? Which Bresson movie are you referring to?

[number8]

Whoa now, what's all this about a gimmick? Memento is still easily his best movie.

Something I always wince hearing: "It's not that great if you watch it in the right order..."

Well, yeah, because then it's not the same fucking movie, you idiot.

[Winston*]

It's fucking gold, like something out of the best Monty Python. Imagine raving hordes of Upton Sinclair fanboys (Upton Sinclair t-shirts and all) fighting an army of Batman geeks. WHAT'S THE MOST ANTICIPATED MOVIE OF ALL-TIME NOW?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Upton_Beall_Sinclair_Jr.jpg/200px-Upton_Beall_Sinclair_Jr.jpg

He could totally take Batman. And, no, being 40 years dead wouldn't stop him.

[megladon8]

Actually, I'm pretty sure it isn't.

I'm pretty sure that isn't either.


Are you Domino harvey?

[MacGuffin]

WTF? Which Bresson movie are you referring to?

Pickpocket.

[Watashi]

I would sacrafice a lot of newborn bunnies to see a Batman/There Will Be Blood crossover.

[Grouchy]

Eh. I didn't come up with that one, but it's true.
You've either never seen a Bresson movie or your brain is a pile of horse turd.

Anyway, try answering number8's post. He named some similarities in all of Nolan's films. Now, I don't expect you to like him or care if you don't, but your claim that he has no style is nonsense.

[megladon8]

I would sacrafice a lot of newborn bunnies to see a Batman/There Will Be Blood crossover.


:)

That would be fun.

[MacGuffin]

You've either never seen a Bresson movie or your brain is a pile of horse turd.

You don't see it? Do you even pay attention to the details? Or do you just put movies on as background noise?

[number8]

What's this you're referring to? I don't recall Nolan using time-lapse.

Oh, not a time-lapse technique, heh. I meant just lapses in time. Nolan plays with jumps a lot (not necessarily chronologically).

[MacGuffin]

Watch again (but you probably won't). Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige and even Batman Begins employed identical time-lapse editing technique, and he's fond of quiet montages (the explanation in Prestige, Al Pacino in his hotel room, Bruce Wayne recalling his dad using the stethoscope). His use of flashbacks are also often deliberately abrupt and intrusive. He might not have an immediately distinctive gimmick, but he has a signature style that's pretty obvious when you know where to look.

So he uses quiet montages and all of the sudden all his films are instantly indistinguishable and he becomes an auteur?

[Boner M]

You don't see it? Do you even pay attention to the details? Or do you just put movies on as background noise?
Didn't you once compare Deja Vu to Brakhage's Eye Myth?

[MacGuffin]

Didn't you once compare Deja Vu to Brakhage's Eye Myth?

No, but I'd agree with that comparison.

[Watashi]

It's so cute when Electrorain says "auteur".

Aw. I just want to squeeze him.

[number8]

So he uses quiet montages and all of the sudden all his films are instantly indistinguishable and he becomes an auteur?

No, you said he had nothing to link his movies together. I named some.

[megladon8]

You don't see it? Do you even pay attention to the details? Or do you just put movies on as background noise?


Does everything you say have to be rude and condescending?

[MacGuffin]

No, you said he had nothing to link his movies together. I named some.

Yeah, it's the same idea.

[Boner M]

No, but I'd agree with that comparison.
Cough. (http://matchcut.org/viewtopic.php?p=484442&highlight=eye+myth#484442)

[MacGuffin]

Does everything you say have to be rude and condescending?

Grouchy's comment wasn't exactly Phil Collins and a bag of Skittles.

[number8]

Yeah, it's the same idea.

No.

[Winston*]

The Captain strikes again.

[MacGuffin]

Cough. (http://matchcut.org/viewtopic.php?p=484442&highlight=eye+myth#484442)

Oh yeah. Are you baiting me?

[Watashi]

boner for the win.

[MacGuffin]

No.

Normally, you can link an auteur's movies together.

[Boner M]

Oh yeah. Are you baiting me?
I'm seducing you.

[Melville]

The best thing about this thread is the possibility of Chicken Boo pecking people's eyes out.

[Sven]

You all need to stop getting all up in CSC's grill. Or rather, stop taking his opinions (which really aren't all that radical, if you can get those fanboy scales to fall from your eyes) so personally. He doesn't like Nolan. That's legit. Meg, you don't like the Coens. So what? Big effing deal.

Let's all take a big breath and get over ourselves for a moment, shall we? [/big brother]

[MadMan]

You all need to stop getting all up in CSC's grill. Or rather, stop taking his opinions (which really aren't all that radical, if you can get those fanboy scales to fall from your eyes) so personally. He doesn't like Nolan. That's legit. Meg, you don't like the Coens. So what? Big effing deal.

Let's all take a big breath and get over ourselves for a moment, shall we? [/big brother]No damnit. This is like Thunderdome iosos. Two men enter one man leaves. To the death. Lots of blood. And noise. LOUD NOISES!!! And maybe an explosion or two. Or even three :eek:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Upton_Beall_Sinclair_Jr.jpg/200px-Upton_Beall_Sinclair_Jr.jpg

He could totally take Batman. And, no, being 40 years dead wouldn't stop him.Well yeah he'd be a zombie and he'd eat Batman's brains.


Something I always wince hearing: "It's not that great if you watch it in the right order..."

Well, yeah, because then it's not the same fucking movie, you idiot.Amen. Anyone who actually wants to watch Memento in the right order is a goddamn moron. What the hell is the point of that? It doesn't make sense to me.

[Watashi]

You all need to stop getting all up in CSC's grill. Or rather, stop taking his opinions (which really aren't all that radical, if you can get those fanboy scales to fall from your eyes) so personally. He doesn't like Nolan. That's legit. Meg, you don't like the Coens. So what? Big effing deal.

Let's all take a big breath and get over ourselves for a moment, shall we? [/big brother]
It's not that easy. It's not that hard to spot Electro's condescending tone in his posts. He's being a douchekitty. Even boner made a fool out of him.

[MadMan]

It's not that easy. It's not that hard to spot Electro's condescending tone in his posts. He's being a douchekitty. Even boner made a fool out of him."Douchekitty" should be part of the Match-Cut lingo. Good one Wats.

[Boner M]

Even boner made a fool out of him.
Hey, I had dignity.

[Watashi]

"Douchekitty" should be part of the Match-Cut lingo. Good one Wats.
I can't claim that slogan to be of my own creation.

[MacGuffin]

Even boner made a fool out of him.

When was this?

[MadMan]

I can't claim that slogan to be of my own creation.You mean royalities might have to be paid out if its added to the site lingo dictionary? Damn.

[DavidSeven]

OK...

I think Nolan is a pretty solid storyteller. Memento is great, and the rest of his work is at least watchable. He's very good at structuring and editing his films. However, his aesthetic is just bland, bland, bland. From a completely visual standpoint, CSC is right in his claim that the films look like they could have been directed by anybody. That being said, the trailer for The Dark Knight does shows some stylistic promise.

[MacGuffin]

He's very good at structuring and editing his films.

No, Lee Smith and Dody Dorn edit his films. Let's not give Nolan more credit than he deserves now.

[DavidSeven]

No, Lee Smith and Dody Dorn edit his films. Let's not give Nolan more credit than he deserves now.

...and a cinematographer shoots all of his films. Ultimately, it's Nolan who overseas the look and flow of his work. I'll give him or any other director credit for a well-edited film, just as I would criticize a director for a poorly-paced and/or clunky film.

Anyway, I thought I was sort of on your side here.

[MacGuffin]

I'll give him or any other director credit for a well-edited film, just as I would criticize a director for a poorly-paced and/or clunky film.

Okay, just so long as you realize he didn't actually edit it.


Anyway, I thought I was sort of on your side here.

I didn't mean to snap, but you can see why I would simply by reading the last two pages. It's amazing to me how people can't differentiate between debating or arguing, and bitching.

[Sycophant]

I don't know about anybody else, but I find the idea of hordes of rabid raving Upton Sinclair fanboys storming the theaters to see There Will Be Blood pretty hilarious. Really just the idea of a raving Upton Sinclair fanboy.I'm glad this wasn't lost on everyone else. When I was imagining it earlier, I had the biggest dumb grin on my face. It's awesome.

[MadMan]

I'm glad this wasn't lost on everyone else. When I was imagining it earlier, I had the biggest dumb grin on my face. It's awesome.If it was made into a movie it is one I would see. The comedy potential is endless.....

[Grouchy]

No, Lee Smith and Dody Dorn edit his films. Let's not give Nolan more credit than he deserves now.
So Francis Ford Coppola deserves no credit for the editing of Apocalypse Now since it was all actually done by Walter Murch, obviously without Coppola overseeing or approving his work. That's how filmmaking works. Everyone does whatever the hell they want. The director is just there to give the crew tango lessons.

[Qrazy]

You all need to stop getting all up in CSC's grill. Or rather, stop taking his opinions (which really aren't all that radical, if you can get those fanboy scales to fall from your eyes) so personally. He doesn't like Nolan. That's legit. Meg, you don't like the Coens. So what? Big effing deal.

Let's all take a big breath and get over ourselves for a moment, shall we? [/big brother]

Your dislike of these fanboy's and similar distaste for the director himself, seems to be blinding you to the content of the actual conversation. He asserts Nolan has no style. He is refuted. He reasserts the claim. He is called out on the fact that he has already been refuted. He reasserts the claim, and so on, ad nauseum.

[MacGuffin]

So Francis Ford Coppola deserves no credit for the editing of Apocalypse Now since it was all actually done by Walter Murch, obviously without Coppola overseeing or approving his work.

Don't be daft. Obviously Coppola sees or approves the work, but I'd imagine te editor cuts out excess, and then when he thinks he has a final product, he shows the director the result for approval. I was looking for the quote by a French director whose name escapes me, that said the editor is the most important part of the filmmaking process. Now I don't know about that, but it does largely determine the tone and pace of the film.


That's how filmmaking works. Everyone does whatever the hell they want. The director is just there to give the crew tango lessons.

Even if this is just sarcasm, it still doesn't make sense in an ironic way, mostly because you say it how it is. It's obviously several creative roles equally out to be a final product. You seem to understand that, but mix in your fiction. What's with that?

[MacGuffin]

Your dislike of these fanboy's and similar distaste for the director himself, seems to be blinding you to the content of the actual conversation. He asserts Nolan has no style. He is refuted. He reasserts the claim. He is called out on the fact that he has already been refuted. He reasserts the claim, and so on, ad nauseum.

You're not fooling anyone aside from those on Nolan's side. I've backed up my argument with logic, and I've respectfully responded to each refute. I don't see why you need to distort the facts.

[Grouchy]

Don't be daft. Obviously Coppola sees or approves the work, but I'd imagine te editor cuts out excess, and then when he thinks he has a final product, he shows the director the result for approval. I was looking for the quote by a French director whose name escapes me, that said the editor is the most important part of the filmmaking process. Now I don't know about that, but it does largely determine the tone and pace of the film.

Even if this is just sarcasm, it still doesn't make sense in an ironic way, mostly because you say it how it is. It's obviously several creative roles equally out to be a final product. You seem to understand that, but mix in your fiction. What's with that?
Have you ever edited someone else's work? If you had, you wouldn't need to imagine anything. Usually you're given timecodes with the good takes and the order in which the shots occur in the storyboard. Of course editors have creative input and even their own styles too, but they wouldn't just cut a scene or a sequence without explaining their reasons to the director (or the producer in the classic Hollywood system) and getting approval. Your ignorance has the size of a small solar system.

Anyway, you obviously like the sound of your own voice too much. You just keep repeating your flimsy points even though basically everyone has already beaten them down. You can answer me if you want, but I'm just gonna take a back seat and laugh at the funny parts.

[Qrazy]

OK...

I think Nolan is a pretty solid storyteller. Memento is great, and the rest of his work is at least watchable. He's very good at structuring and editing his films. However, his aesthetic is just bland, bland, bland. From a completely visual standpoint, CSC is right in his claim that the films look like they could have been directed by anybody. That being said, the trailer for The Dark Knight does shows some stylistic promise.

No, this really is not the case. Nolan employs simple color schemes and a subtle, nuanced use of lighting. The strength of his compositions isn't overtly obvious because he doesn't use garish clashing colors or favor lengthy tracking shots and long shots versus what works for his purposes in the context of the scene. He wants the viewer's focus and memory to be on and of the scene and the tone he establishes, not on memories of explicit singular compositions. This is a stylistic choice, in the vein of a classical Hollywood aesthetic, versus many present day indie 'auteurs'.

Oh and the idea that being an auteur somehow elevates an overall body of work, is an argument I don't find particularly compelling. Nicholas Ray is more of an auteur than Michael Curtiz and I still prefer the majority of Curtiz's films to Ray's... why? Because I find they're systematically better.

Similarly I prefer Nolan's films to Wes Anderson's. I prefer Nolan's weakest films Insomnia and Following to Life Aquatic and Bottle Rocket and I prefer Memento, Begins and The Prestige overall to Rushmore, Royal Tenenbaums and Darjeeling. I prefer the tone of Nolan's films to Anderson's. His dark moody vibe (which can be experienced in all of his films, another stylistic consistency) meshes better with me than Anderson's whimsical and ironic attitude towards drama.

[MacGuffin]

You can answer me if you want, but I'm just gonna take a back seat and laugh at the funny parts.

Then I won't bother, because you're obviously not very bright.

[Grouchy]

Then I won't bother, because you're obviously not very bright.
Obviously. I just watch movies for the background noise. I love me some background noise.

[MacGuffin]

Obviously. I just watch movies for the background noise. I love me some background noise.

In all honesty though, I'm just a little disappointed that you are too good to finish the debate with logic as oppose to belittlement. But hey, what can you do?

[Qrazy]

You're not fooling anyone aside from those on Nolan's side. I've backed up my argument with logic, and I've respectfully responded to each refute. I don't see why you need to distort the facts.......



I'm not sure how aside from the credits...

Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8 View Post
And the pair of him directing and his brother writing is just wonderful.
I didn't know this. His brother seems to have more talent then he does if this is the truth.

Both of these are simply barbs, completely unsubstantiated by appeals to the actual work in question.





He's no auteur.

Even if this is the case and I disagree, this has something to do with the quality of his work how?



I don't know how his storytelling has developed at all really. He's went from a gimmicky structure to stealing the structures and style of a Robert Bresson movie and has never really settled on anything he could call his own. He's a fraud.

I've seen both films and don't see the similarities and neither does anyone else, clarify or don't make inadequate comparisons.



I also don't really know what you mean by his storytelling being apart of the story in Batman Begins and The Prestige, which to his advantage, shows some signs of promise, but mostly due to color schemes and sets. Half of which doesn't take a genius to come up with, especially considering the film's thematic content. The other half of which wasn't even designed by him.

Unsubstantiated and absurd line of argumentation. You don't seem to know anything about lighting.



Actually, I'm pretty sure it isn't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by megladon8 View Post
And the way the film makes the viewer switch allegiances with the characters is pretty brilliant.
I'm pretty sure that isn't either.


No, yes, no.


You don't see it? Do you even pay attention to the details? Or do you just put movies on as background noise?


Blah blah blah.


So he uses quiet montages and all of the sudden all his films are instantly indistinguishable and he becomes an auteur?


Back to a line of argumentation that has nothing to do with the work or the quality of the work.

And so on, this is boring.

[MacGuffin]

And so on, this is boring.

So is this. I haven't really seen a reasonable argument for Nolan yet. Just a bunch of fanboys here. Whatever.

[Qrazy]

Obviously. I just watch movies for the background noise. I love me some background noise.

I'm more of a white noise kind of guy. I don't even pop in the dvd, just let the static flow towards my placid, thoughtless countenance and into the recesses of my focusless pupils.

[Qrazy]

So is this. I haven't really seen a reasonable argument for Nolan yet. Just a bunch of fanboys here. Whatever.

The burden of proof is actually on you, but I suggest you read any of the number of positive reviews of his films in order to discover an answer to your query. All his films are fresh and he's currently averaging an 85% tomatometer overall.

[Duncan]

If they are indeed going with the "should there or should there not be a Batman" plot, they should incorporate this phenomenon into the film somehow. Like, one guy says Batman is awesome, then another guy says Batman is lame. Then they bicker for awhile, and - because it's a Hollywood blockbuster - they kill each other. Others follow suit, and soon the whole city goes INSANE. There is a group of people called The Jokers who sit back and laugh at the whole thing, convinced that they are in fact the ones that are sane and make inane comments about insanity, the very insanity of which are only trumped by their inanity. They also speak in annoying rhymes and awkward, run on sentences. Meanwhile, the violence escalates into full scale war, and the need for arms causes a boom in the economy and in scientific research a la WWII in America. The body count rises, but the survivors get rich and, thus, conclude that there should in fact be a Batman. Batman himself does not appear in the picture, because he's a fictional comic book character, and could never be portrayed realistically without coming off as just a little bit silly and pretentious. Who wants to write the script?

[Qrazy]

Batman himself does not appear in the picture, because he's a fictional comic book character, and could never be portrayed realistically without coming off as just a little bit silly and pretentious.

Awesome.

[MacGuffin]

The burden of proof is actually on you, but I suggest you read any of the number of positive reviews of his films in order to discover an answer to your query. All his films are fresh and he's currently averaging an 85% tomatometer overall.

No worries. I'm going to just step out of this one before I fall into a pit of hate.

[Rowland]

http://www.memphisracingscene.com/vb/images/smilies/mrs_retard.gif

[Mysterious Dude]

What the hell's going on in here?!

[megladon8]

Then I won't bother, because you're obviously not very bright.


See, iosos, it's comments like these that tick me off.

I'm not against arguing at all and I have no problem with people who don't agree with my tastes or vice versa. If everyone liked the same things we wouldn't be on here now, would we? :)

But jeez...there's no need to flat out insult people.

[megladon8]

That's actually a pretty cool idea, Duncan. Someone had something similar about Spider-Man on the old board.

[MacGuffin]

See, iosos, it's comments like these that tick me off.

I'm not against arguing at all and I have no problem with people who don't agree with my tastes or vice versa. If everyone liked the same things we wouldn't be on here now, would we? :)

But jeez...there's no need to flat out insult people.

Okay, now you're just acting like Grouchy hasn't subtly insulted and insulted me numerous times already.

[Sven]

See, iosos, it's comments like these that tick me off.

I'm not against arguing at all and I have no problem with people who don't agree with my tastes or vice versa. If everyone liked the same things we wouldn't be on here now, would we? :)

But jeez...there's no need to flat out insult people.

If you didn't catch it, he wasn't the first one to start calling names.

[Raiders]

That's actually a pretty cool idea, Duncan. Someone had something similar about Spider-Man on the old board.

I think you're referring to my obsessed fan plot.



Oh, and The Dark Knight will not be nominated for Best Picture.

[megladon8]

I think you're referring to my obsessed fan plot.


Yes I think so.

I always thought that was a neat idea. Have you ever done anything with it?

[transmogrifier]

I predict this thread will end up more entertaining than the film it is dedicated to.

[number8]

Normally, you can link an auteur's movies together.

You seem to be mistaking my point. Let's review the course of what you and me said, forget everyone else's, lest you confuse what I'm saying with others backing me up.

Scenario: One can tell that Batman Begins and The Prestige are directed by the same person.
You: Impossible. Nolan has no style that makes that possible. I'm not sure how anybody can do it.
Me: I can, because of this and this and this... Things that he always uses and kind of his signature. What about those?
You: Oh, so just because of that now you're calling him an auteur?
Me: No, just pointing out what's similar between his movies that make it possible for some people, ie me, to tell a Nolan movie.
You: That's like calling him an auteur. You think he's an auteur.

Listen, if the things I've listed that Nolan has taken into his arsenal are what makes a director an auteur, then good for Nolan. If not, then all right, he's no auteur, but thankfully I'm able to appreciate and recognize his movies just fine. I personally don't care either way if he is or isn't.

Batman, now he's a true auteur.

[megladon8]

Nolan has said that where Blade Runner was an inspiration for the style of Batman Begins, he used Heat as inspiration for The Dark Knight.

And, like what he did before filming the first movie, he had the entire cast and crew come to a private screening of Heat before filming began this year.

[Ezee E]

I thought Batman Begins looked a lot like Blade Runner in some of the city shots, but didn't get too much beyond that.

[Grouchy]

Nolan has said that where Blade Runner was an inspiration for the style of Batman Begins, he used Heat as inspiration for The Dark Knight.

And, like what he did before filming the first movie, he had the entire cast and crew come to a private screening of Heat before filming began this year.
Makes sense since, judging from the trailer, everything has gone from brownish to blue-ish.

And it opens with a bank robbery, too.

[DavidSeven]

The tracking shot of the Batpod from the opening of the trailer is reminiscent of the way Mann shot Pacino's car on the freeway in Heat.

[Qrazy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_auteurs

Nolan's on the list. Eat knowledge, ignorance.

[Sven]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_auteurs

Nolan's on the list. Eat knowledge, ignorance.

Heh. Funny.

Also listed are Judd Apatow, Rob Reiner, Kevin Smith, George Lucas, and Cameron Crowe.

Which all goes to show that even if someone IS an auteur, doesn't mean that their style is pronounced or existent or good.

[Qrazy]

Heh. Funny.

Also listed are Judd Apatow, Rob Reiner, Kevin Smith, George Lucas, and Cameron Crowe.

Which all goes to show that even if someone IS an auteur, doesn't mean that their style is pronounced or existent or good.

Pft, Reiner's early films were awesome.

[Sven]

Pft, Reiner's early films were awesome.

Consider him under the "unpronounced" category, then. Could you tell they were "Rob Reiner films"? No, not really. Good as they may've been, The Princess Bride bore zero similarity to The Sure Thing which bore zero similarity to Stand By Me which bore zero similarity... etc, etc. The guy made a few decent films, but one could hardly say his directorial voice was very unique or recognizable.

[Qrazy]

Consider him under the "unpronounced" category, then. Could you tell they were "Rob Reiner films"? No, not really. Good as they may've been, The Princess Bride bore zero similarity to The Sure Thing which bore zero similarity to Stand By Me which bore zero similarity... etc, etc. The guy made a few decent films, but one could hardly say his directorial voice was very unique or recognizable.

Yeah, I agree for the most part. Although, with a discerning enough eye I think one could pick out the thematic, comic, and narrative similarities in many of his films... but whether one could or one couldn't, either way it just further demonstrates the implicit limitations of trying to use auteur-ship as a labeling technique for quality cinema. I doubt Truffaut ever meant it to be used as such, but over the years I've seen many cineastes wrongly attempt to do so.

[Sven]

Yeah, I agree for the most part. Although, with a discerning enough eye I think one could pick out the thematic, comic, and narrative similarities in many of his films... but whether one could or one couldn't, either way it just further demonstrates the implicit limitations of trying to use auteur-ship as a labeling technique for quality cinema. I doubt Truffaut ever meant it to be used as such, but over the years I've seen many cineastes wrongly attempt to do so.

Word.

[megladon8]

A great interview with Christophel Nolan from Wizard (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006862392.cfm).

He talks about how The Joker will be portrayed, how the story has moved on from the first film, and dispels some rumors.

[Grouchy]

Watched the opening minutes today at IMAX . My jaw was on the floor.


Who the hell was that dude with the shotgun at the bank, though? Face looked familiar. Is he going to play a major character or just an unnamed wacko at the beginning?

[number8]

William Fichtner. He's been in a few Michael Bay movies and he recently got big because of Prison Break. He plays one of the mobsters in the movie. The bank The Joker robbed belonged to Sal Maroni, Falcone's replacement.

[Sven]

Whoa, the Ficht is in this? Now I'm excited. He's awesome.

[Ezee E]

Will this prologue ever be online? Probably not at this point, and I don't want to see some handy-cam footage.

[Rowland]

Will this prologue ever be online? Probably not at this point, and I don't want to see some handy-cam footage.The handy-cam footage I saw was surprisingly good quality, so I suggest at least giving it a shot, if you have no other way to see it.

[Qrazy]

Will this prologue ever be online? Probably not at this point, and I don't want to see some handy-cam footage.

Yeah the handy-cam is fine and torrent-able, the audio transfer actually suffers more than the video.

[Wryan]

Whoa, the Ficht is in this? Now I'm excited. He's awesome.

I've always liked Fichtner.

[Wryan]

Speaking of someone spoilered earlier, will ER be a convincing mob kingpin? I dunno, really.

[Rowland]

Speaking of someone spoilered earlier, will ER be a convincing mob kingpin? I dunno, really.Someone hasn't seen his recent performance in Dead or Alive.

[Wryan]

Someone hasn't seen his recent performance in Dead or Alive.

Nope, haven't. But what I have seen made me say, "I dunno, really."

[Grouchy]

William Fichtner. He's been in a few Michael Bay movies and he recently got big because of Prison Break. He plays one of the mobsters in the movie. The bank The Joker robbed belonged to Sal Maroni, Falcone's replacement.
Ok, thanks. That's what puzzled me most about the preview.

[number8]

Ok, thanks. That's what puzzled me most about the preview.

It was my guess, anyway. But it was fairly obvious since Fichner was using Wilkinson's theatrical Italian accent and talking about "the old days" before freaks.

[number8]

This guy does a really good Mark Hamill impersonation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6htJ4XvpA

[megladon8]

This guy does a really good Mark Hamill impersonation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6htJ4XvpA


Good impression, ya, but that was pretty bad.

I like Ledger's voice just fine.

[Skitch]

Most anticipated of 08?


Yep.

[MadMan]

After watching the trailer a third time I think that Heath Ledger completely disappeared into the role of the Joker. I actually can't recognize him in the role, not only because of the makeup but simply becasue he has become the part. Say what you will about the film and whether or not its going to suck but that's awesome to me. I like it when an actor or actress takes their work seriously enough to completely do just that.

[chrisnu]

This guy does a really good Mark Hamill impersonation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6htJ4XvpA
Yes, he does. However, I agree with the other comments that the style of the performance doesn't fit the trailer.

[[ETM]]

William Fichtner. He's been in a few Michael Bay movies and he recently got big because of Prison Break.

Didn't he have large roles in a number of big non-Bay films? I dunno, he's had quite a career for someone who "recently got big". I always enjoyed his work, too, btw.

[number8]

;25626']I dunno, he's had quite a career for someone who "recently got big".

He has, but Prison Break put him on the map as far as the public goes.

[megladon8]

William Fichtner was great in Contact.

[megladon8]

So I'm still in shock about Ledger's death, and I don't mean for this to sound insensitive or rude, but will this hinder the release of the film at all?

I feel so bad for his baby daughter. What a horrible thing to happen.

But as my mom pointed out, after the marriage broke-up, all the photos of him looked horrible. Method-acting such a psychotic and sickening role as The Joker probably didn't help, either.

[Skitch]

First of all, I've always been a Heath Ledger fan. I've always liked the cat. I'm horrified, and pissed that he gone. That being said...


TDK will be bigger now. People will see it for the same reasons they went to see that Meg Ryan/Russel Crowe movie. Lame comparison, I know, but still.

[MadMan]

There is some speculation that the taxing role may have seriously affected his health, among other things. I don't know if any of it is true or more than just mere guessing however.

[megladon8]

There is some speculation that the taxing role may have seriously affected his health, among other things. I don't know if any of it is true or more than just mere guessing however.


Well like I said, he got into the whole "method acting" thing, and really became the Joker.

I imagine that, since he was already quite emotionally frail from events in his life , this may have pushed him over the edge.

Then again, his role in the film could be totally unrelated to his death.

[Spinal]

To my knowledge, method acting has never proved fatal.

[Buffaluffasaurus]

To my knowledge, method acting has never proved fatal.
You've clearly never seen Brando's remake of The Island of Dr. Moreau.

[Spinal]

You've clearly never seen Brando's remake of The Island of Dr. Moreau.

Oy. Point taken.

[Scar]

You've clearly never seen Brando's remake of The Island of Dr. Moreau.


*vommits*

[MadMan]

You've clearly never seen Brando's remake of The Island of Dr. Moreau.:lol: I've thankfully never viewed that flick....

[Skitch]

:lol: I've thankfully never viewed that flick....

I believe I've seen it twice, and I cannot recall a single frame, nor even what the film is about. The only thing I can conjure up is that Val Kilmer is awesome.

:|

[chrisnu]

I believe I've seen it twice, and I cannot recall a single frame, nor even what the film is about. The only thing I can conjure up is that Val Kilmer is awesome.

:|

You'll thank me later.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4Fk8WU17Dw

[Ivan Drago]

Now I'm worried if this will affect The Dark Knight being good or not. There could be a possibility that Nolan and co. would have to change the ending and as a result, fuck things up, like with the ending of I Am Legend. Or even if nothing's changed, I'm worried if Nolan will even make a third movie.

[Kurosawa Fan]

No offense Ivan, but who fucking cares about the Batman franchise. The guy is dead. Doesn't that put things like movie franchises into their proper perspective? I would have thought so.

[Ivan Drago]

No offense Ivan, but who fucking cares about the Batman franchise. The guy is dead. Doesn't that put things like movie franchises into their proper perspective? I would have thought so.

Now that I think about it, it does. They're just movies. The guy lost his life.

[Ivan Drago]

I rewatched the trailer last night, and I realized that Ledger's death, in a way, adds to or emphasizes one of the film's themes, or at least adds an impact to it, specifically with this exchange:

"If people were dying, what would you have me do?"
"Endure. You could be the outcast. You could make the choice no one else will face. The right choice."

[lovejuice]

No offense Ivan, but who fucking cares about the Batman franchise. The guy is dead. Doesn't that put things like movie franchises into their proper perspective? I would have thought so.

i totally agree with you here, but a capitalistic bastard in me can't help but wonder what sort of strategy warner is now going to employ with the marketing of this film. are they going to play his death down or heartless enough to actually exploit it?

[Sycophant]

There's a certain strain of conversation and speculation I'm seeing peppered around here (and the Internet at large right now; this place is actually better than most) that I just don't care to read. This includes all half-assed eulogizing, reflections on what his death "means" in terms of Hollywood trends or a fucking comic book movie (that I still really want to see because it'll probably be really cool and good and stuff), and speculation about how it's all going to go down and how those (other) cynical bastards are going to handle this.

This is my last word on it. Ledger died, it's horrible, we don't know the circumstances, everyone immediately and tangentially affected is still in shock... But please. Make sure what you're saying is well thought out and contributes something.

No offense to anyone and sorry if this is something of a ramble.

[Wryan]

There's a certain strain of conversation and speculation I'm seeing peppered around here (and the Internet at large right now; this place is actually better than most) that I just don't care to read. This includes all half-assed eulogizing, reflections on what his death "means" in terms of Hollywood trends or a fucking comic book movie (that I still really want to see because it'll probably be really cool and good and stuff), and speculation about how it's all going to go down and how those (other) cynical bastards are going to handle this.

This is my last word on it. Ledger died, it's horrible, we don't know the circumstances, everyone immediately and tangentially affected is still in shock... But please. Make sure what you're saying is well thought out and contributes something.

No offense to anyone and sorry if this is something of a ramble.

Hey, now, my eulogizing was full-assed. It was almost......5-assed.

[megladon8]

There's a certain strain of conversation and speculation I'm seeing peppered around here (and the Internet at large right now; this place is actually better than most) that I just don't care to read. This includes all half-assed eulogizing, reflections on what his death "means" in terms of Hollywood trends or a fucking comic book movie (that I still really want to see because it'll probably be really cool and good and stuff), and speculation about how it's all going to go down and how those (other) cynical bastards are going to handle this.

This is my last word on it. Ledger died, it's horrible, we don't know the circumstances, everyone immediately and tangentially affected is still in shock... But please. Make sure what you're saying is well thought out and contributes something.

No offense to anyone and sorry if this is something of a ramble.


I agree, and I hope you don't think I was contributing to the sensationalizing of his death with my post.

I just genuinely wondered if this would affect the movie in any way, since it's been the plan for a long time to have 3 Batman films, of which the third would continue the Joker's story arc.

[KK2.0]

I just genuinely wondered if this would affect the movie in any way, since it's been the plan for a long time to have 3 Batman films, of which the third would continue the Joker's story arc.

they'll need another actor to play the part in the following movie. The problem is, he'll always be overshadowed by Ledger, even if he's just as good.

[Saya]

Pics from the Batman anime:

http://i29.tinypic.com/34t5o92.png

http://i27.tinypic.com/w7k5z5.png

http://i28.tinypic.com/xpynb4.png

http://i28.tinypic.com/nd3qjc.png

http://i25.tinypic.com/2zyerzk.png

Madhouse

http://i26.tinypic.com/zx4llt.png

http://i29.tinypic.com/347zdw8.png

http://i31.tinypic.com/33l11xh.png

4°C

http://i30.tinypic.com/2e66cxv.png

http://i25.tinypic.com/2exttmg.png

http://i31.tinypic.com/2rqiv13.png

IG

http://i31.tinypic.com/el7315.png

http://i30.tinypic.com/71tpxh.png

[Sycophant]

Oh, awesome. I nearly forgot that stuff was happening. Is there an ETA for these?

[Saya]

I'm not sure when it'll be released

Here's a sneak peek from the anime you can download (it'll probably be up on youtube soon aswell) :

http://rs108.rapidshare.com/files/91871159/batman.gotham.knight.anime.sne ak.peek.h264-aac.mkv

I think it looks better in motion.

[megladon8]

I think those look pretty awesome.

I like all the different variations of the suit.

[Ezee E]

I will most likely buy that.

[megladon8]

Just watched the preview video.

I was wondering - are they still going to be using all the voices from the film? Bale as Batman, Caine as Alfred, etc?

[number8]

Just watched the preview video.

I was wondering - are they still going to be using all the voices from the film? Bale as Batman, Caine as Alfred, etc?

Bale as Batman, is at least confirmed. Dunno about Caine.

[megladon8]

Bale as Batman, is at least confirmed. Dunno about Caine.


Well that'll be enough for me.

One of the shorts is written by Greg Rucka, and one by Brian Azzarello. Really looking forward to seeing what they have in store for us.

Also can't wait to see the short by Yoshiaki Kawajiri in full. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust is one of my very favorite animés.

[Grouchy]

Damn, it's really... anime-looking.

The limited color scheme in some of those reminded me of when Detective Comics used to feature issues painted in two colors, also written by Rucka.

[KK2.0]

i'm such a noob, what program to play this mkv file?

[KK2.0]

I'm not sure when it'll be released


there's a "summer 2008" in the end of the sneak peek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-90TzoFcrM

[Saya]

i'm such a noob, what program to play this mkv file?

You can use VLC. It plays about anything and it's free.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

[megladon8]

First look at Two-Face.

It's a licensed toy from the movie, but still, gives a good idea of what to expect.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/megladon8/tf2.jpg


I like that instead of a mish-mash of two different suits, it's one suit, but one side is beat up and torn.

[D_Davis]

Is Otomo doing an anime short?

I loved his take on Batman in Barman Black and White.

[megladon8]

Is Otomo doing an anime short?

I loved his take on Batman in Barman Black and White.


I honestly don't know, sorry. I just know that some of the writers are guys who did great runs on Batman and Gotham-related books.

Greg Rucka did the entire run of "Gotham Central", which was a flippin' awesome series. It was a comic about the GCPD, and how they try to deal with the criminal element of Gotham City. Batman only has occasional cameo appearances, and has much more of an "urban legend" feel.

[Wryan]

Casting news. A special friend of Joker's.

Harley Quinn has been cast. Probably a cameo appearance at best.

[megladon8]

Harley Quinn has been cast. Probably a cameo appearance at best.


Who is she?

And I doubt she'll be her full, menacing self yet. Probably just a nurse/intern/doctor at Arkham.

[Wryan]

Who is she?

And I doubt she'll be her full, menacing self yet. Probably just a nurse/intern/doctor at Arkham.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/NightCreature/harley.jpg
And yes, probably only a psychiatrist at Arkham, probably at end.

[MadMan]

Casting news. A special friend of Joker's.

Harley Quinn has been cast. Probably a cameo appearance at best.Really? So she's going to be that one chick who's the Joker's sidekick (I can't remember her name)? Cool.

[Sycophant]

Really? So she's going to be that one chick who's the Joker's sidekick (I can't remember her name)? Cool.

...

...

...Do you mean...

Harley Quinn?

[Wryan]

...

...Do you mean Harley Quinn?

That's who I said in spoilers, yes. Probably a cameo near the end.

[Sycophant]

I know, I was just amazed at MadMan's inability to remember her name.

If her name should still be in spoilers, I'll make it so.

[Winston*]

I hear Two-Face has been cast in this movie as that one dude with the dual faces.

[MadMan]

I know, I was just amazed at MadMan's inability to remember her name.

If her name should still be in spoilers, I'll make it so.No I mean the name she went by when she was in costume.

[megladon8]

No I mean the name she went by when she was in costume.


Well it's the same name both times.

Her real name is Harley Quinn, and in costume she's still Harley Quinn.

[MadMan]

Well it's the same name both times.

Her real name is Harley Quinn, and in costume she's still Harley Quinn.Huh. I could have sworn she had another name. Maybe it was only used in Batman: TAS.

[Winston*]

Well it's the same name both times.

Her real name is Harley Quinn, and in costume she's still Harley Quinn.

Her real name's Harleen Quinzel. Why do I know this and you don't?

[megladon8]

Her real name's Harleen Quinzel. Why do I know this and you don't?


Really? I thought her real name was Harley Quinn.

Wow. I'm not on top of my game lately.

[number8]

That was embarrassing, meg.

[megladon8]

That was embarrassing, meg.


Yeh, thanks for drawing more attention to it :P

In my defense, I was thinking of that scene in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker where she picks up the twins at the end of the movie, and they refer to her as "Nana Harley".

[Wryan]

New trailer in front of 10,000 B.C. March 7th. Less Joker. More Bats/Dent.

[megladon8]

New trailer in front of 10,000 B.C. March 7th. Less Joker. More Bats/Dent.


Awesome. I read about this on another forum and wasn't sure if it was official.

[MadMan]

New trailer in front of 10,000 B.C. March 7th. Less Joker. More Bats/Dent.Now I have another reason to see that filck. Besides the fact I think it looks like cheesy goodness.

[megladon8]

Now I have another reason to see that filck. Besides the fact I think it looks like cheesy goodness.


I'm just gonna wait for the trailer to hit Apple.com ;)

[Ivan Drago]

The anime shorts will be released on DVD on July 8th. (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/batman-gotham-knight.html)

[number8]

Christian Bale is not doing Batman.

It's Kevin Conroy. :D

[EvilShoe]

Speaking of animated Batman, more good news: The Batman has been cancelled.
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=72

[megladon8]

Christian Bale is not doing Batman.

It's Kevin Conroy. :D


I read that today as well, but the article I read said he was possibly only doing one of the shorts.

Is he now officially doing all of them?

[megladon8]

Speaking of animated Batman, more good news: The Batman has been cancelled.
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=72


Lame.

I didn't think it was the utter shit others seemed to think it was. It sure as hell wasn't "TAS", and Rasta-Joker was bad, but it was alright.

And The Batman vs. Dracula was really fun.

[Ivan Drago]

Christian Bale is not doing Batman.

It's Kevin Conroy. :D

Woah, for at least one of the shorts? Fucking awesome.

[Skitch]

I too, thought The Batman had some good points. Most of it was pretty blasphemous, but hey, my parents thought non-pow-whack-zam Batman was odd.

[Wryan]

10,000 B.C. out tomorrow. New trailer......supposedly.

[Barty]

10,000 B.C. out tomorrow. New trailer......supposedly.

There is, 100% sure.

[megladon8]

Will the trailer be released on the net any time soon?

[Skitch]

There is, 100% sure.

Now, I just was talking to some other people, and they said there was no new trailer...

[number8]

Oh man. I was lounging about on my couch when my cell phone rang and it was HARVEY FUCKING DENT calling me to tell me that he updated his campaign website. That was a wonderful surprise to my afternoon.

[Watashi]

Yeah, there is no new trailer attached.

Me > Barty

[Sxottlan]

No new Batman trailer at my screening of 10,000 B.C. this afternoon. I was really looking forward to it.

However, I could have sworn I heard the musical cues from Batman Begins as I passed another theatre showing the film as I headed towards the restroom.

I hate playing the guessing game as to which screening is going to have it and which ones won't. How about attaching it to every single copy?

Ended up getting a new trailer for Speed Racer instead. I think it actually made me want to see the film less than before.

[Wryan]

Damn!

[megladon8]

Has there been any word of why the new trailer didn't show up?

[Wryan]

Has there been any word of why the new trailer didn't show up?

No clue here.

[Ezee E]

Outside of the Match Cut world, I never read a thing about a new trailer being presented. It may have just been one of Barty's crazy ideas that didn't work out.

That should be in the drinking game.

[megladon8]

Outside of the Match Cut world, I never read a thing about a new trailer being presented. It may have just been one of Barty's crazy ideas that didn't work out.

That should be in the drinking game.


I definitely read it on several movie news websites.

It was even on the front page of RT a week or so ago.

[Barty]

It may have just been one of Barty's crazy ideas that didn't work out.


Actually the old trailer was attached to all Regal locations, and since it was attached, I figured it would be the new one. But it was not.

[Ezee E]

I'm going to try and support Harvey Dent tomorrow.

[megladon8]

I'd really like to know what happened with that new trailer.

There was news on lots of websites that it was coming with 10,000 B.C., then it never showed, and there wasn't even a reason given.

[number8]

I'm going to try and support Harvey Dent tomorrow.

They're coming here Saturday. I think I'll spend all day following the campaign.

[Skitch]

Closest they're getting to me is 2 1/2 hours away. Dang it.