Match Cut Director Consensus - John Frankenheimer

[soitgoes...]

Please post your ratings for John Frankenheimer. Rules and such can be found here. (http://www.match-cut.org/showthread.php?t=1598)

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Who's a happy director? ^^

[Boner M]

The Machurian Candidate - 8
Seconds - 8.5
Ronin - 6.5
Reindeer Games - 3

Gotta check out 52 Pick-Up and The Train sometime.

[Stay Puft]

The Island of Dr. Moreau - 6.5
Ronin - 8
Reindeer Games - 2

Haven't seen any of them in years, though.

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Birdman of Alcatraz (1962) - 5.5
The Manchurian Candidate (1962) - 7.0
The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996) - 2.0
Reindeer Games (2000) - 1.5

[Spinal]

The Manchurian Candidate - 7

The Island of Dr. Moreau is one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever seen. But I didn't finish it, so I'm not going to rate it.

[ContinentalOp]

Birdman of Alcatraz- 8
Seconds- 7
Ronin- 8

Haven't seen any of these in a few years. Saw the Island of Dr. Mureau in the theater when I was 15 or so (too long ago to rate). I remember thinking it was really bizzare and silly but not altogether terrible. I remember being fascinated with Brando's little minion.

[Rowland]

Ronin - 8.0

[baby doll]

The Manchurian Candidate (1962) [8]

I saw this on the big screen in South Korea, but I don't think Busan is in Manchuria.

[Qrazy]

The Machurian Candidate - 8
Seconds - 8.5
Ronin - 6.5
Reindeer Games - 3

Gotta check out 52 Pick-Up and The Train sometime.

I really like The Train.

[Morris Schæffer]

The Train - 8.0
The French Connection 2 - 6.0
Black Sunday - 7.0
The Fourth War - 5.0
Ronin - 8.5

[Grouchy]

Seconds - 9
The Manchurian Candidate - 8
The Birdman of Alcatraz - 8

[Raiders]

The Manchurian Candidate (1962) 7.5
Seven Days in May (1964) 7.0
The Train (1964) 8.0
Seconds (1966) 9.5
The Iceman Cometh (1973) 8.0
Prophecy (1979) 3.5
Dead Bang (1989) 7.0
The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996) 2.0
Ronin (1998) 6.5

Everyone here needs to see Dead Bang. It moves along a standard path, but there are frequent bits of batshit craziness that make it immensely enjoyable. Plus, Don Johnson.

[Eleven]

The Manchurian Candidate - 8.5
Seconds - 7
French Connection II - 7
Ronin - 6

[Dukefrukem]

Ronin - 8.5

[Sven]

I have seen many Frankenheimer films and I remember quite a few of them really well. He's a solid craftsman who knows how to spin an exciting yarn. However, for the sake of some weird whimsical current pulsing through my body right now, I am choosing to rate only two of them, because I think the rest will do fine without me.

These two, however...:

The French Connection II - 9
The Island of Dr. Moreau - 8

... need me.

[Spinal]

The Island of Dr. Moreau - 8

Come on now.

[Sycophant]

Oh, my goodness. I thought I'd seen more.

The Manchurian Candidate 9.0

[Bosco B Thug]

The Manchurian Candidate - 8.5
Prophecy - 4

[Sven]

Come on now.

Everything that was important, it did right.

[Rowland]

I'll try to rent The Manchurian Candidate this week, it's only a dollar at my rental store.

[Yxklyx]

The Manchurian Candidate - 9
The Train - 9
Seven Days in May - 5
Seconds - 7

[Yxklyx]

The Manchurian Candidate (1962) [8]

I saw this on the big screen in South Korea...

That's what you think.

[Spinal]

Everything that was important, it did right.

Beyond spelling the title right in the opening credits, I can't think of what that would be.

[Qrazy]

The Manchurian Candidate (1962) 7.5
The Train (1964) 8
Seconds (1966) 8
Ronin (1998) 7

I want to see Grand Prix, The Fixer, Young Savages and The Iceman Cometh.

[Ezee E]

Manchurian Candidate - 7 (prefer the Demme version by a lot actually)
Ronin - 9.5 (should watch this again, always loved it)

Seconds is at home.

[Pop Trash]

The Manchurian Candidate -9
Ronin -7

Not sure if that Ronin rating is correct, but I'm sticking with it.

[Sven]

I am genuinely shocked at how little he's been seen around these parts.

[Kurosawa Fan]

The Manchurian Candidate - 9.0
The French Connection - 9.5
The Island of Dr. Moreau - 1.0
Reindeer Games - 3.0


I'm with Spinal on Moreau. It was the first film I walked out on. Unlike Spinal, I have no qualms assigning it a rating.

[Raiders]

I am genuinely shocked at how little he's been seen around these parts.

Yeah, I had no idea my nine films would prove to be by far the most seen. I really am shocked nobody else has seen The Iceman Cometh. Eugene O'Neill play, Frankenheimer directing, and let's see, Lee Marvin, Robert Ryan, Fredric March and Jeff Bridges! It's on Netflix. C'mon people!

[Sven]

Fine:

The Iceman Cometh - 7.5

Ryan is amazing, but I can't help but feel Marvin, who impresses, is a bit miscast. Still, great play, great production.

[dreamdead]

The Island of Dr. Moreau - 3
Ronin - 7
Reindeer Games - 3

Clearly there's a gap in his early, quality work that I need to get to at some point.

[MadMan]

I've seen very little from him, and I'd love to view more. I have a feeling I'd really like most of his work.

The Manchurian Candidate(1962)-10.0
Rohin(1998)-8.5

[Qrazy]

I've seen very little from him, and I'd love to view more. I have a feeling I'd really like most of his work.

The Manchurian Candidate(1962)-10.0
Rohin(1998)-8.5

I have a feeling you would too. Try to prioritize The Train or Seconds.

[MadMan]

I have a feeling you would too. Try to prioritize The Train or Seconds.Yeah those are the two I'm aiming for the most. And of course Seven Days in May as well.

[Mysterious Dude]

The Manchurian Candidate - 9
Seven Days in May - 8
The Train - 8
Seconds - 6
Andersonville - 6.5

[transmogrifier]

The Train is exceptional.

[thefourthwall]

The Manchurian Candidate - 9

[jenniferofthejungle]

All Fall Down - 6
Birdman Of Alcatraz - 7
The Manchurian Candidate - 9
Black Sunday - 5
Prophecy - 2
The Rainmaker - 6
The Challenge - 6
Dead Bang - 5
Against the Wall - 6
The Island of Dr. Moreau - 3

I never finished Reindeer Games, and it's been too long since my viewings of Against the Wall and Andersonville, but I remember most of ATW so I rated it anyway.

[Rowland]

Alright, so I rented The Manchurian Candidate and, out of sheer morbid curiosity, The Island of Dr. Moreau. I'd love to wind up a supporter for the latter.

[Rowland]

Also, I wonder if anyone has seen the Director's Cut of Reindeer Games, which is reportedly a much different movie than the studio-butchered cut released in theaters.

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Results:
The Manchurian Candidate - 8.333 (18)
The Train - 8.2 (5)
The French Connection II - 7.875 (4)
Seconds - 7.75 (8)
Ronin - 7.615 (13)
Birdman of Alcatraz - 7.125 (4)
The Island of Dr. Moreau - 3.643 (7)
Reindeer Games - 2.5 (5)
Average - 6.629

The Rest:
The Iceman Cometh - 7.75 (3)
Seven Days in May - 6.667 (3)
Andersonville - 6.5 (1)
Against the Wall - 6.0 (1)
The Challenge - 6.0 (1)
Against the Wall - 6.0 (1)
All Fall Down - 6.0 (1)
Dead Bang - 6.0 (2)
Black Sunday - 6.0 (2)
The Fourth War - 5.0 (1)
Prophecy - 3.167 (3)

Winner of the John Frankenheimer Challenge is jenniferofthejungle. Runner-up goes to Raiders.

[BuffaloWilder]

Grand Prix - 8.9

Interesting racing photography.

[Boner M]

French Connection II over Seconds? Wow, gotta look into the former now.

EDIT: One of the 4 votes for FC2 was from KF, who listed the original and not the sequel in his votes... did he give a cursory glance over the thread and get the impression that Frankenheimer directed the original? Only time will tell.

[Kurosawa Fan]

EDIT: One of the 4 votes for FC2 was from KF, who listed the original and not the sequel in his votes... did he give a cursory glance over the thread and get the impression that Frankenheimer directed the original? Only time will tell.

*sigh*

It's not like I didn't know Friedkin directed the first one. I don't know what the hell I was doing. I've never seen the sequel, so my 9.5 needs to be erased. I'll go sit in the corner now.

[Rowland]

If we're going to be editing out his FC score, can we possibly add these too?

The Manchurian Candidate - 9
The Island of Dr. Moreau - 5

I watched them shortly after the consensus ended.

[Qrazy]

Grand Prix - 8.9

Interesting racing photography.

I think these things only include .5's or whole numbers so yours will be rounded to 9.