Hipster Flims: generally defined as trafficking in moody music, casual style and...

[D_Davis]

http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5610Y520090702?sp=true


Even as Hollywood studios increasingly aim at the broadest possible audience, a few companies are experimenting with the opposite approach in these summer months and beyond: They're making smart, quirky movies for a sophisticated young audience.


The pics are trying to be the next "Garden State," a 2004 film that, like other hipster pics, can be generally defined as trafficking in moody music, casual style and characters who are disaffected.

[balmakboor]

The first thing I thought of was Away We Go and sure enough it's mentioned in the article. I didn't see it while I was in Seattle last week though. Too much to do, too little time.

[Derek]

the next "Garden State,"

Aim low enough and you'll hit it eventually.

[balmakboor]

Is it just me? I find it much more insulting to try to make movies for a "sophisticated young audience" than to simply try to make good, funny, and/or exciting movies for everyone.

This whole article reminds me of the Woody Allen dialog:

Alvy Singer: You, you, you're like New York, Jewish, left-wing, liberal, intellectual, Central Park West, Brandeis University, the socialist summer camps and the, the father with the Ben Shahn drawings, right, and the really, y'know, strike-oriented kind of, red diaper, stop me before I make a complete imbecile of myself.

Allison: No, that was wonderful. I love being reduced to a cultural stereotype.

[Wryan]

Aim low enough and you'll hit it eventually.

Much like the balls...

[Pop Trash]

A comment from Eternity in 5-4-3-2....

[Sycophant]

Is it just me? I find it much more insulting to try to make movies for a "sophisticated young audience" than to simply try to make good, funny, and/or exciting movies for everyone.

This is an industry article. Industry is about money. Money comes from marketing. This is about marketing. And marketing is about demographics. And there is a demographic that made Garden State and its ilk (target audience, not Cinematic Quality) make money, just like there's a demographic that pays to see Transformers movies on opening weekend. People who control money greenlight specific films in hopes of tapping such demographics.

That's how it's done unless you can get freaking government assistance or some crap like that, which generally isn't done for American Cinema Masters or whatever.

In other words.


:pritch: ~HOORAY FOR HOLLYWOOD!~ :pritch:

[balmakboor]

This is an industry article. Industry is about money. Money comes from marketing. This is about marketing. And marketing is about demographics. And there is a demographic that made Garden State and its ilk (target audience, not Cinematic Quality) make money, just like there's a demographic that pays to see Transformers movies on opening weekend. People who control money greenlight specific films in hopes of tapping such demographics.

That's how it's done unless you can get freaking government assistance or some crap like that, which generally isn't done for American Cinema Masters or whatever.

In other words.


:pritch: ~HOORAY FOR HOLLYWOOD!~ :pritch:

Yeah, I know. But it just seems to me that "smart" and "quirky" have been turned into such a crass commodity of late. When I first saw the trailer for Away We Go, I had this weird head rush where everything from American Splendor to Junebug to Garden State passed before my eyes.

There must've been a time when movies were smart and quirky just because that's how they turned out. Now they work too hard to try to achieve it. It's like "My God! If we can't figure out how to cast Alan Arkin as the dad in this thing, we may as well shelve it now."

[Dukefrukem]

WHy are Hipsters such a common topic on Match-Cut? How many Hipsters do we have here?

[Sycophant]

*adjusts glasses, raises hand*

[Eleven]

WHy are Hipsters such a common topic on Match-Cut? How many Hipsters do we have here?

*is too cool to post answers*

[D_Davis]

I think it was decided that I, too, am a hipster.

[Watashi]

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2009/02/armondwhite090223_250.jpg

[D_Davis]

Although in uber-hipster fashion, I dislike most films that are labeled as hipster cinema. Take that demographics-whores!

[Qrazy]

Hipster is the new Emo and both terms are employed frequently by Retards.

[Sycophant]

Hipster is the new Emo and both terms are employed frequently by Retards.

Keep spittin' truths, Q-dawg.

[D_Davis]

Wait a minute...I thought Emos were the new hipsters?

[Eleven]

Hipster is the new Emo and both terms are employed frequently by Retards.

But is Retard the new Idiot? Industry Hacks want to know.

[Qrazy]

Wait a minute...I thought Emos were the new hipsters?

They've been around longer but in terms of terminology popularity there seems to have been an epic surge in the use of the term hipster these days.

[Qrazy]

But is Retard the new Idiot? Industry Hacks want to know.

Soon to be replaced by the new hybrid term... Retidiotemoster.

[Pop Trash]

I've been accused of being the H word. Mostly for wearing 80s style New Balance shoes and liking some David Lynch movies. :confused:

[EyesWideOpen]

I love Garden State and have seen it multiple times, I guess that means I'm a hipster. :cry:

[Benny Profane]

I love Garden State and have seen it multiple times, I guess that means I'm a hipster. :cry:

And an easily entertained hipster, at that.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Things have gotten so desperate in Hollywood that they've reduced themselves to making intelligent films.

[EyesWideOpen]

And an easily entertained hipster, at that.

I'll take being easily entertained over being hard to be entertained anyday.

[Sycophant]

Look. This was bound to happen once films with an "indie aesthetic" proved profitable and marketable. These films included Wes Anderson films, Brick, Napoleon Dynamite, and whatever non-Burton stuff they make T-shirts for over at Hot Topic.

The blockbuster success of Juno and Little Miss Sunshine solidified it.

And so that "quirky" or "indie" aesthetic has been commoditized. You can actually read me bitching about this back in the Juno thread, but really, I just don't care anymore.

[Skitch]

Damn dirty retarded emo hipster fucks.

I'm bringing back grunge.

*puts on flannel and army boots*

[eternity]

There's no such thing as hipster films and you people are too caught up in it!!!!111!

[Winston*]

Hamster films: generally defined as trafficking in dried food, berries, nuts, fresh fruits and vegetables.

[origami_mustache]

I dunno I'd expect hipsters to have a little better taste than Garden State and Away We Go.

[Derek]

*puts on flannel*

Um, you realize hipsters love flannel, right? :P

[Qrazy]

I dunno I'd expect hipsters to have a little better taste than Garden State and Away We Go.

Poseur anti-hipster hipsters posing as hipster-lite for ironic effect.

[B-side]

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2009/02/armondwhite090223_250.jpg

Is it just me or does this pic seem like its missing its "you gon' get raped" caption?

[MacGuffin]

Is it just me or does this pic seem like its missing its "you gon' get raped" caption?

Jokes about racism and rape? Not good, Brightside. Not good at all.

[B-side]

Jokes about racism and rape? Not good, Brightside. Not good at all.

I live to serve.

[trotchky]

Is it just me or does this pic seem like its missing its "you gon' get raped" caption?

Is it because he's black?

[trotchky]

Um, you realize hipsters love flannel, right? :P

My boy Kurt Cobain can take all the credit for that.

[B-side]

Is it because he's black?

Of course. No, it's just that the pic looks a lot like this one:

http://www.meanmyspacegraphics.com/graphics/you_gonna_get_raped.jpg

[Skitch]

Um, you realize hipsters love flannel, right? :P

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/skitchthemovieman/eric_cartman_southpark.png

[Pop Trash]

Of course. No, it's just that the pic looks a lot like this one:

http://www.meanmyspacegraphics.com/graphics/you_gonna_get_raped.jpg
Yeah, I always thought that was vaguley racist.

[baby doll]

Yeah, I always thought that was vaguley racist.Vaguely?

[trotchky]

Of course. No, it's just that the pic looks a lot like this one:

http://www.meanmyspacegraphics.com/graphics/you_gonna_get_raped.jpg

Oh, so it's not racist because it looks like something else that's racist. Gotcha.

[B-side]

Yeah, I always thought that was vaguley racist.

Clearly you don't spend much time elsewhere on the internet. These types of things are serious about as much as Fox News is "fair and balanced".


Oh, so it's not racist because it looks like something else that's racist. Gotcha.

You guys are gonna choose a lame internet joke/meme as a way to stand up against racism?

[trotchky]

No, I don't care enough to do that, but it is racist. It doesn't matter if it isn't meant to be taken seriously; intent has nothing to do with whether or not something is racist.

[B-side]

No, I don't care enough to do that, but it is racist. It doesn't matter if it isn't meant to be taken seriously; intent has nothing to do with whether or not something is racist.

Whatever you say.

[trotchky]

Whatever you say.

Glad you agree.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Guys, can we have just one discussion about hipsters that doesn't end with everyone threatening rape and calling each other racists?

[Boner M]

Hamster films: generally defined as trafficking in dried food, berries, nuts, fresh fruits and vegetables.
God damn contemporary cinema and its fascination with Hamster Nihilism.

[Ezee E]

Guys, can we have just one discussion about hipsters that doesn't end with everyone threatening rape and calling each other racists?
Impossible.

[Sycophant]

You guys are gonna choose a lame internet joke/meme as a way to stand up against racism?

You make it sound like people've stood by and watched lynchings.

Stupid things aren't immune from criticism because they're popular stupid things.

[B-side]

You make it sound like people've stood by and watched lynchings.

Stupid things aren't immune from criticism because they're popular stupid things.

These things, made popular via 4chan and the like, are about as racist as Colbert is ultra-conservative. You don't have to like the jokes or the way they're conceived, but they're far from hateful.

[MacGuffin]

These things, made popular via 4chan and the like, are about as racist as Colbert is ultra-conservative. You don't have to like the jokes or the way they're conceived, but they're far from hateful.

Racism is hateful no matter the intent.

[Qrazy]

Guys I think we're losing sight of the real villains here.

http://www.odisea.ucv.cl/download/recopilacion%20imagenes/Historia%20Universal/Primera%20y%20Segunda%20Guerra %20Mundial/Tropas%20Nazis.jpg

Nazis.

[trotchky]

Racism is hateful no matter the intent.

Bingo.

Brightside, stop being an idiot.

[B-side]

Bingo.

Brightside, stop being an idiot.

k

[trotchky]

Cool thanks.

[Mysterious Dude]

If I may redirect this thread to its original topic...

Yeah, I know. But it just seems to me that "smart" and "quirky" have been turned into such a crass commodity of late. When I first saw the trailer for Away We Go, I had this weird head rush where everything from American Splendor to Junebug to Garden State passed before my eyes.

There must've been a time when movies were smart and quirky just because that's how they turned out. Now they work too hard to try to achieve it. It's like "My God! If we can't figure out how to cast Alan Arkin as the dad in this thing, we may as well shelve it now."
I think what this phenomenon demonstrates is the slow death of true independent American cinema over the last ten years. I feel like Hollywood today is a lot like Hollywood in the forties. It has pretty much taken over the market in the U.S. (whereas in the seventies, great films like Mean Streets and Annie Hall were not produced by Hollywood). There are, today, "low budget" films, but they're still generally produced by major corporations. I wonder if things will ever turn around.

[bac0n]

...hipster pics, can be generally defined as trafficking in moody music, casual style and characters who are disaffected.

http://30daysout.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/1998_the_big_lebowski_004.jpg

[Pop Trash]

http://30daysout.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/1998_the_big_lebowski_004.jpg

Most hipsters love love love Lebowski.

[D_Davis]

Racism is hateful no matter the intent.

http://static.open.salon.com/files/thatsracistgm751224856460.gif

[D_Davis]

Guys I think we're losing sight of the real villains here.

http://www.odisea.ucv.cl/download/recopilacion%20imagenes/Historia%20Universal/Primera%20y%20Segunda%20Guerra %20Mundial/Tropas%20Nazis.jpg

Nazis.

Thread's been Godwinned!

[trotchky]

Despite what that idiotic adbusters article says, hipsters are not the dead end of western civilization. They could very well be the dead end of post-modernism, though.

[Spinal]

Lord knows I tire of excessive use of irony, but anti-hipster outrage is more annoying to me than hipsterism. It's just young people trying to find themselves and where they fit into this world. When I was in high school, it was typically the mall goth look which was undoubtedly silly, but a lot of those folks grew up to be good people. When you complain about whether or not something is 'authentically punk', you don't sound real, you just sound grumpy and sad. I get it! Putting Che Guevara on a mass-produced T-shirt is a contradiction that only your pure soul can recognize! But bad fashion is not a threat to you and it is not the death of culture. So go masturbate to Nina Blackwood or whatever the fuck you need to do to chill the fuck out.

[trotchky]

'Cause you're so fucking above it all, right? I don't think anyone here is saying hipsters are the death of culture. Fact is, though, "hipsterdom"'s bohemian posturing belies incessant image-consciousness, dependence on a social pecking-order, and reliance on the very classist, bourgeois culture it positions itself as a reaction to. It's appallingly hypocritical, and that shit grows tiresome to those of us who have to learn and work with these people, just as excessive irony is tiresome to you.

And I think there was maybe one hipster in my high school. It wasn't until I got to college that I was exposed to this shockingly judgmental, dishonest, and vacuous culture. Let's do coke and watch Jodorowsky films! Yeah, that's fun as long as you don't care about having an earnest conversation about anything.

[trotchky]

That said, hey yo, hipsters aren't the worst people in the world. They're obnoxious, immature kids, no worse than your average dumbass fratboy. A lot of my frustration, however, comes from the fact that most hipsters appear to share the same interests as me...until I get to know them and discover how full of shit they are.

[Spinal]

'Cause you're so fucking above it all, right?

No, I just don't believe that the application of an all-encompassing label to people that annoy you is very meaningful. It allows you to be dismissive without making an attempt to understand individuals. I think it's a phony baloney categorization that reveals to me a certain degree of misanthropy in the person who uses it.

[transmogrifier]

Hipsterism, Harry Potter and Bono are tearing us apart!

[B-side]

Spinal, you make my heart melt.

[trotchky]

No, I just don't believe that the application of an all-encompassing label to people that annoy you is very meaningful. It allows you to be dismissive without making an attempt to understand individuals. I think it's a phony baloney categorization that reveals to me a certain degree of misanthropy in the person who uses it.

Oh okay.