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Watashi
05-29-2009, 08:41 PM
Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJEDUainX4)

Sycophant
05-29-2009, 08:52 PM
What's your gut reaction to this, Wats?

trotchky
05-29-2009, 08:58 PM
Oh man. This might be the first Pixar movie I'm genuinely excited for since, well, Toy Story 2.

jamaul
05-29-2009, 09:08 PM
I would be skeptical, and, in a way, I can say I'm not terribly excited about the prospect of turning a fine, two-film franichise into a trilogy, but . . . this is fuckin' Pixar we're talking about. Their name is more trustworthy than Jesus, and, more often than He, they deliver.

Watashi
05-29-2009, 09:46 PM
What's your gut reaction to this, Wats?
It will be awesome.

lovejuice
05-29-2009, 11:57 PM
so i wonder, was it in production for a while and just being announced? or they are now about to start making it?

number8
05-30-2009, 12:05 AM
It's been in production for a very long while. They had a Superbowl ad, remember?

Lasse
05-30-2009, 12:30 AM
Oh man, this better be a very very good movie, or I will only have the two first movies to love.

:)

megladon8
05-30-2009, 12:39 AM
Why are the first two films the only two Pixar movies no longer in print on DVD?

number8
05-30-2009, 01:03 AM
Why are the first two films the only two Pixar movies no longer in print on DVD?

Because it's Disney.

megladon8
05-30-2009, 01:05 AM
Because it's Disney.


OK, but the other Disney/Pixar collabs are available.

So why these two?

number8
05-30-2009, 01:51 AM
OK, but the other Disney/Pixar collabs are available.

So why these two?

Disney always lets their movies go out of print so they can force people to buy special editions a few years down the line. With Toy Story 3 coming out next year, no doubt they're working on a super Collector's Special Limited Extra Bluray editions of the first two (from the Disney vaults!), and they don't want people to have the option of getting the previous releases.

Dukefrukem
05-30-2009, 02:32 AM
I wonder who's gonna voice Slink.

D_Davis
05-30-2009, 05:09 AM
Why are the first two films the only two Pixar movies no longer in print on DVD?

They went back into the vault, so then later Disney can re-release them to much fanfare and make a ton of money before sending them back to the vault again.

It's a shrewd business move that pays off very well for them.

Watashi
05-30-2009, 05:10 AM
I thought Lasseter was going to put a stop on the vault thing?

Anyway, Amazon is your best friend. I bought Sleeping Beauty Blu-Ray for 9 bucks today.

Ezee E
05-30-2009, 06:47 AM
I haven't watched the preview, but I read about the story and absolutely love the idea of it.

D_Davis
05-30-2009, 05:01 PM
I thought Lasseter was going to put a stop on the vault thing?


I thought so as well.

Anyhow, that teaser is cute. Woody and Buzz are good characters, and Hanks and Allan do great jobs with the voices.

NickGlass
05-30-2009, 06:13 PM
A majority of the reason I adore Pixar is their ability to create imaginative, yet meticulously detailed, universes. As much as I enjoy Toy Story 2, I would rather experience a film that swept me into a clever, inventive world--not one that is laying a story over an already-twice-played template.

Here's to hoping, rather begrudgingly, they take the characters in a very new direction.

Spinal
05-31-2009, 05:22 AM
Not interested in Pixar doing sequels. Particularly not for Toy Story.

number8
05-31-2009, 05:25 AM
I agree, somewhat. The premise is muy excellente, though, so I'm excited.

Qrazy
05-31-2009, 12:37 PM
I agree, somewhat. The premise is muy excellente, though, so I'm excited.

What is it?

Ezee E
05-31-2009, 01:51 PM
What is it?
From what I've heard, the kid who has owned the toys has grown up, he's moving to college, and the toys are all but put away. "Retired." There's also a recall of older toys I believe.

Spinal
05-31-2009, 03:52 PM
Didn't Brave Little Toaster do this basic premise already?

number8
05-31-2009, 05:11 PM
They aren't put away or recalled. They're basically not loved anymore and dumped to a local daycare center. Remember Toy Story 2? The whole conflict with Jessie and Woody was that one day Andy is going to dump Woody just like Jessie's owner did. They ended on a happy note when Andy's sister takes in Jessie, but there was always that bittersweet feeling that Jessie's right. This movie is going to prove that.

Now they're dealing with random new kids and don't have that one-kid attachment anymore. I have enough faith in Pixar that they're going to deal with the type of kids left in daycare. Some of them probably in a broken home. I'm excited to see where they'll take it.

angrycinephile
06-14-2009, 11:56 PM
The teaser made me smile.

Yeah, I'm excited for this. I'm sure it won't disappoint.

KK2.0
06-17-2009, 11:02 PM
Not interested in Pixar doing sequels. Particularly not for Toy Story.

Me neither but, I rather have a Toy Story sequel than a Cars sequel, and both are coming...

ledfloyd
06-17-2009, 11:14 PM
Not interested in Pixar doing sequels. Particularly not for Toy Story.
but toy story 2 was better than toy story

Spinal
06-18-2009, 05:39 AM
but toy story 2 was better than toy story

Neither is all that great.

Dukefrukem
06-18-2009, 02:15 PM
Neither is all that great.

The first one was fantastic.

angrycinephile
06-18-2009, 03:43 PM
The first one was fantastic.

Both of them are amazing.

Dead & Messed Up
06-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Didn't Brave Little Toaster do this basic premise already?

Yes, but here's an opportunity to do it well.

:P

Sycophant
06-18-2009, 03:50 PM
You did not.

Wryan
06-18-2009, 03:58 PM
What's your gut reaction to this, Wats?

Ha you're an ass...

Sycophant
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Ha you're an ass...

Really? I mean, I am an ass--I'll admit that. But I don't see what's particularly assy about that?

Wryan
06-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Really? I mean, I am an ass--I'll admit that. But I don't see what's particularly assy about that?

I figured it was a playful nudging of Wats' obsession about Pixar.

The "Ha" would indicate a mild, joking case of assiness.

DavidSeven
06-18-2009, 08:33 PM
I want to know which animal Wats feels Spinal just shot in the face with his last post here. I also want to know exactly how uncomfortable and awkward he can make the rest of us feel for it. Go!

[/assy]

Watashi
06-18-2009, 08:39 PM
I want to know which animal Wats feels Spinal just shot in the face with his last post here. I also want to know exactly how uncomfortable and awkward he can make the rest of us feel for it. Go!

[/assy]
An aardvark.

DavidSeven
06-18-2009, 08:42 PM
An aardvark.

Dissing on two Toy Story films only gets a you-shot-my-aardvark-in-the-face status? You're slipping, Wats. Mightily.

Watashi
06-18-2009, 08:49 PM
Dissing on two Toy Story films only gets a you-shot-my-aardvark-in-the-face status? You're slipping, Wats. Mightily.
Hey, I really love my aardvark. He means a lot to me.

Spinal
06-18-2009, 09:19 PM
I would never shoot an aardvark in the face.

Unless he was singing a Randy Newman song.

Watashi
06-18-2009, 09:21 PM
I would never shoot an aardvark in the face.

Unless he was singing a Randy Newman song.
You don't like Three Dog Night?

NickGlass
06-24-2009, 08:38 PM
Soon-to-be Oscar Best Picture nominee.

Watashi
06-24-2009, 08:40 PM
Stop it.

number8
07-30-2009, 12:36 AM
Quick update. They were still being secretive at the Comic Con panel, but I loved how when Unkrich and Lasseter said that the movie will start with Andy going off to college and abandoning Woody and Buzz, 6000 people gasped and went, "Oh no!"

Watashi
10-09-2009, 10:11 PM
Full Trailer (http://ezrashugereviews.ning.com/video/toy-story-3-trailer)

Spun Lepton
10-09-2009, 10:25 PM
Neither is all that great.

Gonna have to disagree strongly, there. Toy Story 2 is one of Pixar's best, which puts it far, far above most "family" fare.

Watashi
10-09-2009, 10:33 PM
Gonna have to disagree strongly, there. Toy Story 2 is one of Pixar's best, which puts it far, far above most "family" fare.
Spinal's not one to trust when it comes to family fare.

megladon8
10-10-2009, 12:22 AM
I actually wasn't too impressed with that trailer...

BuffaloWilder
10-10-2009, 05:16 AM
Spinal's not one to trust when it comes to family fare.

:sad:

Ivan Drago
10-10-2009, 07:49 AM
The trailer is absolutely superb visually (one might say it is lightyears ahead of the original) and I have enough faith in the concept, but I wasn't totally enamored with the Buzz speaking Spanish gag.

Rep for the pun.

B-side
10-10-2009, 09:45 AM
I'm excited. Bring on another winner from Pixar. I would bet money this will eclipse Pixar's output from the last few years.

ledfloyd
10-10-2009, 06:38 PM
I'm excited. Bring on another winner from Pixar. I would bet money this will eclipse Pixar's output from the last few years.
but their output over the last few years has been some of their best work.

Watashi
10-10-2009, 09:42 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/toy_story_3_trailer_andy.jpg

Is that really Andy's entertainment system? Pathetic.

number8
10-11-2009, 12:14 AM
What made you think Andy's the kind of kid who'd be into entertainment systems?

Ezee E
10-11-2009, 11:41 AM
If it were Dreamworks, do you think he'd have a Panic at the Disco poster?

eternity
10-11-2009, 07:46 PM
So...

Do Woody and Buzz watch him masturbate?

Ivan Drago
10-12-2009, 04:51 AM
November 7th, 2009... It begins.... for the last time.

?????

Dukefrukem
10-12-2009, 06:11 PM
Full trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/toystory3/)

Wryan
10-12-2009, 06:24 PM
So...

Do Woody and Buzz watch him masturbate?

I don't think they'll address this crucial point.

Saya
10-14-2009, 08:35 PM
Character posters:

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8130_150286947682_10123937682_ 2844845_4533013_n.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8130_150286952682_10123937682_ 2844846_4204654_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8130_150286957682_10123937682_ 2844847_6943869_n.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs214.snc1/8130_150286962682_10123937682_ 2844848_1413205_n.jpg

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs214.snc1/8130_150286972682_10123937682_ 2844849_6511952_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8130_150286982682_10123937682_ 2844850_5527697_n.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8130_150286992682_10123937682_ 2844851_8113160_n.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8130_150290847682_10123937682_ 2844871_6678217_n.jpg

Kurosawa Fan
10-14-2009, 08:56 PM
Nothing I have seen thus far has me even the least bit interested in this film. Not in the slightest.

Winston*
10-14-2009, 09:03 PM
Nothing I have seen thus far has me even the least bit interested in this film. Not in the slightest.

Haha, you have kids so you'll be seeing it regardless. Bad move, KF. First diaper changing now Toy Story 3.

Watashi
10-14-2009, 09:29 PM
Pretty confident it will be the best film of 2010.

Kurosawa Fan
10-14-2009, 09:32 PM
Haha, you have kids so you'll be seeing it regardless. Bad move, KF. First diaper changing now Toy Story 3.

Stupid kids.

Watashi
10-14-2009, 09:33 PM
Dylan > Mike

Kurosawa Fan
10-14-2009, 09:35 PM
Dylan > Mike

That's pretty true.

Dukefrukem
12-21-2009, 02:34 PM
short clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQcQjX34aIk&feature=player_embedded)

KK2.0
12-21-2009, 07:59 PM
short clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQcQjX34aIk&feature=player_embedded)

heartbreaking.

BuffaloWilder
12-21-2009, 09:25 PM
So...

Do Woody and Buzz watch him masturbate?

why would you ask that what is wrong with you shut up shut up shut up your FAAAAAACE.

MadMan
12-22-2009, 07:27 AM
The teaser/trailer for this looked quite funny, and I like the idea of them being forced to survive life after Andy. So yeah I'll be seeing it in theaters next year, of course.

number8
02-11-2010, 03:32 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/toystory3/

I'll be the first to say it. I'm kind of horrified. Sex and poop jokes, and that cheesy Andy speech? Yikes.

Watashi
02-11-2010, 05:12 PM
Yeah. Wow. That was a really bad trailer.

The writer's only credit is Little Miss Sunshine and it shows. I don't know why they outside of Pixar to get a screenwriter for this.

number8
02-11-2010, 05:40 PM
Well, they went outside of Pixar for Up.

number8
02-11-2010, 05:41 PM
I do like the Totoro cameo.

KK2.0
02-11-2010, 05:59 PM
I do like the Totoro cameo.

yeah, i nearly screamed... A TOTORO!!!! *__*

i won't judge the movie by the trailer though, that short clip was truly good and all trailers for animated pictures attempt to a gag reel that usually falls flat.

KK2.0
02-11-2010, 06:00 PM
Well, they went outside of Pixar for Up.

And The Incredibles.

number8
02-11-2010, 06:43 PM
And The Incredibles.

Eh, Brad Bird joined as soon as they're working on Incredibles, though. He's now one of the braintrust.

Kurosawa Fan
02-11-2010, 06:48 PM
"Andy is different. He's brave. And he'll always be there for you, no matter what."

Really? That's what we're going with? An 18-year-old kid waxing sentimental about his cowboy doll?

B-side
02-11-2010, 07:04 PM
I liked the trailer. *shrug*

Dead & Messed Up
02-11-2010, 10:41 PM
Not great, but I'm giving Pixar the benefit of the doubt, for some bizarre reason.

Sycophant
02-13-2010, 04:28 PM
what the fuck
is this shit

EyesWideOpen
02-13-2010, 04:40 PM
I liked the trailer. *shrug*

Me too. It felt like a Toy Story trailer, I don't understand what everyone's getting worked up about.

Morris Schæffer
02-13-2010, 05:30 PM
Gotta agree that this doesn't appear to have much of a narrative thrust, and its emotional core seems recycled from previous Toy Stories with toys getting past their due date and abandoned by their owners. The difference is that Andy is older now. Still, with parts one and two being my fave Pixars, I'm hoping for a great time.

Spun Lepton
02-13-2010, 08:29 PM
Oh, no.

Oh, no.

It's the Pixar film I've been dreading.

The first real bad one.

I hope I'm wrong.

megladon8
02-13-2010, 11:41 PM
That does look terrible.

I consider the two other Toy Story films to be bottom-rung Pixar, this makes them look like freaking Fellini.

BuffaloWilder
02-14-2010, 04:04 AM
While that wouldn't shock me, three things:

1) this is a trailer, which are usually never good indicators of the quality of a film, especially an animated one

2) you have not seen the film yet

3) Spun, CARS was really bad.

angrycinephile
02-16-2010, 09:42 PM
I don't think it looks downright bad, just forgettable. Some of the jokes and Andy's speech are cringe-worthy though. The Totoro cameo was the best part.

They should have made The Incredibles 2 or even Monsters, Inc. 2 instead of this and Cars 2. Obviously, I'll retract this statement if the film is indeed great but I'm starting to become a little worried.

EvilShoe
02-17-2010, 08:40 AM
Only other Pixar movie I thought looked bad from the trailers was Cars.
Never again.

Ivan Drago
02-18-2010, 12:42 AM
Eh, it doesn't look bad, but it doesn't look great, either.


While that wouldn't shock me, three things:

1) this is a trailer, which are usually never good indicators of the quality of a film, especially an animated one

Yup. Everyone thought Happy Feet looked terrible from the trailers and look how that turned out.

BuffaloWilder
02-18-2010, 01:52 AM
Eh, it doesn't look bad, but it doesn't look great, either.



Yup. Everyone thought Happy Feet looked terrible from the trailers and look how that turned out.

This is true.

Spun Lepton
02-18-2010, 02:00 AM
Cars is the only full-length Pixar I haven't seen.

I've heard it was mediocre, (not bad), and I'm not much of racing enthusiast, so I just passed on it.

megladon8
02-18-2010, 02:06 AM
What did Barbie say to Ken?

"Nice ass cut?"

What the hell does that even mean?

BuffaloWilder
02-18-2010, 02:13 AM
Ascot. It's a tie.

number8
02-18-2010, 04:14 AM
He's wearing one.

KK2.0
02-18-2010, 04:20 PM
Cars 2 is a mystery to me, of all the Pixar movies, Cars seems to be the one with the largest number of haters...

Maybe because the first one is so average, it's the most likely to receive an improved sequel?

ledfloyd
02-18-2010, 04:27 PM
Cars 2 is a mystery to me, of all the Pixar movies, Cars seems to be the one with the largest number of haters...

Maybe because the first one is so average, it's the most likely to receive an improved sequel?
it has a huge fanbase. mostly in the american southeast. also, the merch keeps selling and selling and selling.

larry the cable guy being the main character will pretty much assure me not seeing it in theaters.

angrycinephile
02-18-2010, 04:33 PM
I'm pretty sure they're making Cars 2 not just because the first one was a huge success but primarily because Lasseter loves cars and racing so much. I didn't mind the first one, even though it's one of the weaker Pixar for sure, but maybe the sequel will be an improvement.

KK2.0
02-18-2010, 06:02 PM
Yeah, it's Lasseter pet project me thinks. I also didn't mind Cars, but... Why not The Incredibles 2? I'm ready for it, make it happen Brad!!

Henry Gale
03-04-2010, 07:47 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/toy-story-3-final-poster.jpg

Watashi
03-05-2010, 06:28 PM
Seeing the trailer again made me realize that this is the first year that I'm not really anticipating a Pixar film. It's only a trailer, but my god, it's look so un-Pixar like.

With this and Cars 2 next year, I don't know what I shall do with my life until then.

number8
03-05-2010, 06:34 PM
And they scrapped Newt, too.

Watashi
03-05-2010, 06:39 PM
And they scrapped Newt, too.
Huh?

I'm pretty sure they scrapped The Bear and the Bow... not Newt.

number8
03-05-2010, 06:41 PM
Huh?

I'm pretty sure they scrapped The Bear and the Bow... not Newt.

http://pixarplanet.com/blog/is-newt-dead-cars-2-having-production-problems

Watashi
03-05-2010, 06:45 PM
http://pixarplanet.com/blog/is-newt-dead-cars-2-having-production-problems
Goddamnit. With this AND 1906 being dead, I'm close to giving up.

Raiders
03-05-2010, 07:29 PM
http://pixarplanet.com/blog/is-newt-dead-cars-2-having-production-problems


Michael of Progress City, USA (http://progresscityusa.com/2010/02/10/and-the-hits-keep-on-comin/) thinks that Monster’s Inc. 2 will fill that gap in the Pixar timeline

Oy.

Qrazy
03-05-2010, 09:27 PM
Do you guys think Disney execs are what is causing this?

Henry Gale
03-06-2010, 08:20 PM
The story to Newt always seemed like a weird thing to turn into a movie that would have to eventually be marketed to kids.

Is it confirmed that it's dead, or just speculation? Because by now they would have had to been pretty far with it, no?

KK2.0
03-14-2010, 07:53 AM
Do you guys think Disney execs are what is causing this?

Weren't Pixar execs now ruling Disney, or at least some of it?

Bear and The Bow is still coming afaik.

Qrazy
03-14-2010, 10:37 PM
Weren't Pixar execs now ruling Disney, or at least some of it?

Dunno, looking for clarification.

Henry Gale
06-16-2010, 10:23 PM
Still holding at 100% on RT with 23 reviews. Not that the franchise makes this surprising with Toy Story 2's perfect score out of well over a hundred votes from a decade ago.

I keep on forgetting this even comes out on Friday. Am I the only one seeing very little promotion for it? Or at least a lot less than, say, Up had just a year ago. Mind you, I thought the same thing the week Shrek The Third came out a few years back and then it went on to be the biggest opening ever for an animated film. I really hope the toys top that record this weekend.

KK2.0
06-16-2010, 10:54 PM
ok, i'm watching it in cinemas.

Spinal
06-16-2010, 10:59 PM
Am I the only one seeing very little promotion for it?

It's all over the stations my son watches.

Spun Lepton
06-16-2010, 11:07 PM
Well, I've changed my tune on this, as I expected. I may see it in the theater.

kopello
06-16-2010, 11:39 PM
I've seen every Pixar movie in theaters with my girlfriend since The Incredibles, but with her being in NC for the summer I don't know if I'll get around to seeing it at the cinema. I'm not really to bummed about it though, I wasn't really digging the trailers/tv spots anyways.

Watashi
06-17-2010, 08:43 AM
Considering this comes out tomorrow and we know how this board gets when a new Pixar film comes out. It's a once a year thing and with these insane early reviews, I will eventually go into rave mode pretty soon.

To save pages upon pages of awkwardness and death threats, I will keep everything neat and tidy in this one post.

I expect me to love it, call it the best movie of the year, and one of the best Pixar movies ever. I expect a few (number8) to chime in and confirm on my love for the film. DavidSeven will rise from the grave commenting on its goodness but find it overrated in the Pixar canon. Raiders will like, but not love it. Three stars seems like a good bet. trans will comment how much this film don't interest him and will pick a part the film without even seeing it. Spinal will be dragged to it by his offspring and pan it labeling it "unnecessary drivel". Madman will love it but say it's overrated by me but will give it a 95.

And that will lead to this:








WHAT THE FUCK SPINAL HOW DO YOU NOT LIKE THIS MOVIE DID YOUR CHILDHOOD RAPE YOU AS A KID THIS MOVIE IS AMAZING YOU ARE WRONG I WILL SHOOT YOUR WIFE IN THE FACE AND LEAVE THIS BOARD FOREVER!!!!

I hope it's a good movie.

B-side
06-17-2010, 08:48 AM
I expect to enjoy it, but find it overrated in Pixar's canon.

Watashi
06-17-2010, 08:50 AM
I expect to enjoy it, but find it overrated in Pixar's canon.
Your face is overrated in Pixar's canon.

B-side
06-17-2010, 09:14 AM
Your face is overrated in Pixar's canon.

Your mom is overrated in the sex canon.

ledfloyd
06-17-2010, 09:24 AM
Your mom is overrated in the sex canon.

this is patently false.

Ezee E
06-17-2010, 01:08 PM
I'll throw something out there.

Wats comes out, enjoys it, but somewhat disappointed with the end result. BWAH?

Henry Gale
06-17-2010, 11:10 PM
64 reviews... 100%...

While on the opposite end of things, Jonah Hex is holding onto a perfect 0%. Too bad. All the horrible buzz aside, I was still holding out a small bit of hope for that.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 12:21 AM
Ed Gonzalez admitted that he bawled hard at the end of the movie.

75 reviews now and still strong at 100% fresh.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 01:01 AM
I won't tell you what that ending is, but it took my breath away, and I'll bet it takes yours. Do see this lovely film sooner than later.


The story mixes comedy, drama and action with impressive skill, except this is beyond skill -- this is inspired.


Toy Story 3 pays attention to the reasons we return again and again to the motion picture experience.

Jesus. This thing has an 8.7 average rating with nearly 80 reviews.

Can this be the first animated film to win Best Picture?

Derek
06-18-2010, 01:05 AM
Jesus. This thing has an 8.7 average rating with nearly 80 reviews.

Can this be the first animated film to win Best Picture?

It's also at 9.4 on IMdB with over 1,000 votes, so I'm pretty sure this will objectively go down as the greatest film ever made.

Raiders
06-18-2010, 01:05 AM
Jesus. This thing has an 8.7 average rating with nearly 80 reviews.

Can this be the first animated film to win Best Picture?

It'll get nominated because of the larger field, but no. C'mon. It isn't getting any better aggregate reviews than other recent Pixar films.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 01:10 AM
It'll get nominated because of the larger field, but no. C'mon. It isn't getting any better aggregate reviews than other recent Pixar films.
Wow. I just checked the other Pixar's scores and other than Cars, the lowest they've ever received is a 95% with a 7.9 average and that was Monster's Inc.

Insane.

Dead & Messed Up
06-18-2010, 03:10 AM
Wow. I just checked the other Pixar's scores and other than Cars, the lowest they've ever received is a 95% with a 7.9 average and that was Monster's Inc.

Insane.

Seriously. Has there ever been a production house with such standards of quality? The only one I can think of is RKO's output with Val Lewton.

Derek
06-18-2010, 03:19 AM
Ghibli > Pixar

Dead & Messed Up
06-18-2010, 03:27 AM
Ghibli > Pixar

Ah, good call. The only non-Miyazaki Ghibli I've seen is Grave of the Fireflies, but if that film and Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke are any indication, then yeah. Good call.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 03:33 AM
Ghibli > Pixar
Both are amazingly awesome.

But the suckiness of Grave of the Firefliess pushes the edge towards Pixar's direction.

Spinal
06-18-2010, 03:35 AM
Grave of the Fireflies > Anything Pixar has done

Winston*
06-18-2010, 03:38 AM
I think I will see this movie on DVD. Maybe Blu-ray, haven't decided yet.

Sven
06-18-2010, 03:38 AM
Both are amazingly awesome.

But the suckiness of Grave of the Firefliess pushes the edge towards Pixar's direction.

I was going to say the same thing, except substitute GotF with Whisper of the Heart and then change "pushes the edge towards Pixar's direction" to "doesn't effect the fact that Ghibli is infinitely better than Pixar"

Porco Rosso > __________ (fill in the blank with anything)

megladon8
06-18-2010, 03:41 AM
I love Porco Rosso.

But I can't lie...Princess Mononoke remains my favorite Ghibli.

Spinal
06-18-2010, 03:41 AM
Porco Rosso > Pork Rinds

Hmmm ... yes, that seems to work.

Sven
06-18-2010, 03:46 AM
I love Porco Rosso.

But I can't lie...Princess Mononoke remains my favorite Ghibli.

Mononoke has immense technique and scope, which I love, but Porco will forever be a much more endearing and interesting character than Ashitaka, who I find very irritating in his perfectness.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 03:49 AM
I really don't understand the argument.

Almost all Pixar and Ghibli films are 10/10 for me.

MadMan
06-18-2010, 03:50 AM
Madman will love it but say it's overrated by me but will give it a 95.
I don't recall ever saying anything like this. And actually, Up, which you loved a ton, got a 97 from me. I thought it was one of the best movies of last year, and its the best Pixar I've seen so far. I'm not sure if you actually said that it was the best out of the ones you've seen (which is all of them-I haven't viewed Wall-E or Cars yet). Still that post overall is funny in its hyperbolic state.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 03:50 AM
I was going to say the same thing, except substitute GotF with Whisper of the Heart and then change "pushes the edge towards Pixar's direction" to "doesn't effect the fact that Ghibli is infinitely better than Pixar"

Porco Rosso > __________ (fill in the blank with anything)
Porco Rosso > Popeye?

Watashi
06-18-2010, 03:53 AM
Even Pixar would say Ghibli is better than them since they are pretty much their main inspiration into becoming artists and storytellers, so yes Sven, it looks like you won this round.

Derek
06-18-2010, 03:58 AM
so yes Sven, it looks like you won this round.

No one who hates Whisper of the Heart is a winner in my book.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 03:59 AM
Wait, Sven really hates Whisper of the Heart? I thought he was just playing with my emotions.

Explain.

Derek
06-18-2010, 04:00 AM
Wait, Sven really hates Whisper of the Heart? I thought he was just playing with my emotions.

Explain.

I don't remember him ever saying that before now, but I'm assuming he's serious.

Sven
06-18-2010, 04:10 AM
I gave it **1/2 out of ****. Maybe **. I thought it was dull.

transmogrifier
06-18-2010, 04:17 AM
I gave it **1/2 out of ****. Maybe **. I thought it was dull.

It is. Worst Ghibli I've seen.

It's tough to really take reviews for Pixar films all that seriously, as they have definitely sewn up the eternal loyalty of your typical reviewer, and so you get all these raves, and then you watch the actual film, and it's all just kind of, yeah, it was good, but the second coming of animation? Not so much.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 04:18 AM
It's Abbott and Costello to the rescue.

You guys have perfect timing. :)

Dead & Messed Up
06-18-2010, 04:30 AM
It is. Worst Ghibli I've seen.

It's tough to really take reviews for Pixar films all that seriously, as they have definitely sewn up the eternal loyalty of your typical reviewer, and so you get all these raves, and then you watch the actual film, and it's all just kind of, yeah, it was good, but the second coming of animation? Not so much.

The truth is that, while they've obviously varied in quality for me, I can't say that I've actively disliked one of their films. Not even Cars, although I remain flummoxed by Lasseter's vision of sentient cars and absent people. Do they have sex? Do they poop? Who extracts the gasoline? Where are their brains located? Toy Story, they're toys, and I accept that. But Cars makes no fricking sense to me. There's no interior logic. Why do they have driver's seats if there are no drivers?

Adam
06-18-2010, 04:37 AM
Also, as the guy from the scene unseen podcast always pointed out, how do you make a film about cars come to life and not have the headlights act as eyes?

Derek
06-18-2010, 04:39 AM
Also, as the guy from the scene unseen podcast always pointed out, how do you make a film about cars come to life and not have the headlights act as eyes?

Or boobs.

Bosco B Thug
06-18-2010, 04:44 AM
It's tough to really take reviews for Pixar films all that seriously, as they have definitely sewn up the eternal loyalty of your typical reviewer, and so you get all these raves, and then you watch the actual film, and it's all just kind of, yeah, it was good, but the second coming of animation? Not so much.
The truth is that, while they've obviously varied in quality for me, I can't say that I've actively disliked one of their films. Not even Cars Yeah, I say Pixar completely deserves whatever mainstream cult it's assembled.

Dead & Messed Up
06-18-2010, 04:45 AM
Also, as the guy from the scene unseen podcast always pointed out, how do you make a film about cars come to life and not have the headlights act as eyes?

Supposedly they tested that design, but the windshield eyes made for more workable faces. Or something. I don't know, I lost interest cause I started wondering what exactly the car romance subplot led to. Does they, like, join mufflers? I investigated by searching "cars rule 34" in Google with safesearch off, but all that taught me was to never search "cars rule 34" on Google with safesearch off.

MacGuffin
06-18-2010, 05:20 AM
June 18, 2010: Despite glowing reviews and seemingful worldwide unification in Toy Story 3 admiration, Armond White gives the film a negative rating. He is the only person on Earth to do so.

April 2, 2011: After leading the nation to near-rabid respect and appreciation for Toy Story 3, the Toy Story franchise, the Pixar legacy; after gaining prominent recognition for Toy Story 3, the film that "the company has been working up to make", the "game-changer"; and after winning big at the Academy Awards (for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Sound Design, Best Original Song, and Best Animated Film), Pixar releases a movie that is, quite frankly, as earth-shattering of a disappointment as Toy Story 3 was a success. In fact, it was perfectly so: Armond White declared Pixar's newest movie "Pig Dream"—the film all critics unanimously echoed beyond heartbreaking disappointment over—a "masterpiece of the human spirit" and declared, "Pig Dream is a film so full of life (and so respectful of Brian De Palma's filmography, which Bird is inspired by thematically as well as in approach) that only a hipster nihilist could dislike it. It's the greatest portrayal of the human spirit since Kenny Ortega's High School Musical 2."

transmogrifier
06-18-2010, 06:14 AM
June 18, 2010: Despite glowing reviews and seemingful worldwide unification in Toy Story 3 admiration, Armond White gives the film a negative rating. He is the only person on Earth to do so.

April 2, 2011: After leading the nation to near-rabid respect and appreciation for Toy Story 3, the Toy Story franchise, the Pixar legacy; after gaining prominent recognition for Toy Story 3, the film that "the company has been working up to make", the "game-changer"; and after winning big at the Academy Awards (for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Sound Design, Best Original Song, and Best Animated Film), Pixar releases a movie that is, quite frankly, as earth-shattering of a disappointment as Toy Story 3 was a success. In fact, it was perfectly so: Armond White declared Pixar's newest movie "Pig Dream"—the film all critics unanimously echoed beyond heartbreaking disappointment over—a "masterpiece of the human spirit" and declared, "Pig Dream is a film so full of life (and so respectful of Brian De Palma's filmography, which Bird is inspired by thematically as well as in approach) that only a hipster nihilist could dislike it. It's the greatest portrayal of the human spirit since Kenny Ortega's High School Musical 2."

This post is almost as incomprehensible as your Quick Change rating. Quite impressive.

MacGuffin
06-18-2010, 06:32 AM
This post is almost as incomprehensible as your Quick Change rating. Quite impressive.

Sorry. :sad:

eternity
06-18-2010, 10:11 AM
That was gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooood.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 08:19 PM
It was excellent. It was funny, exciting, deeply moving, and just a great time visiting old friends.

Toy Story 2 is still my favorite.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 09:47 PM
Awesome. Armond White is just loving this and has become a parody of himself. He pans (http://www.nypress.com/article-21357-bored-game.html) Toy Story 3 and praises (http://www.nypress.com/article-21356-jonah-hex.html) Jonah Hex. You have to read both reviews. Both Neveldine and Taylor have dismissed the film after it was completely rewritten from their original draft. Guess White doesn't care.

Armond has balls, though, for this manuever. Big fucking balls.

Watashi
06-18-2010, 10:13 PM
I think this film will be received well around here. It feels like an updated polished version of The Brave Little Toaster with similar climaxes (a lot of Pixar staff also worked on Toaster).

Ivan Drago
06-18-2010, 10:55 PM
The toys wage battle with the daycare center’s cynical veteran cast-offs: Hamm the Piggy Bank pig, Lotsa Hugs and Big Baby. But none of these digital-cartoon characters reflect human experience; it’s essentially a bored game that only the brainwashed will buy into. Besides, Transformers 2 already explored the same plot to greater thrill and opulence.


Jonah Hex does for the western what the Crank movies do for the urban action film; simultaneously commenting on genre practice. (Film scholars should explore the coincidence of this villain’s initials and how he viciously brands Q.T. into the side of Jonah’s face, eternally scarring his identity.)

http://skepticalteacher.files.wordpre ss.com/2009/07/facepalm1.jpg

Watashi
06-18-2010, 11:19 PM
It's like he doesn't even see the movie. Hamm is the villain? Wha?

Spun Lepton
06-19-2010, 12:27 AM
http://skepticalteacher.files.wordpre ss.com/2009/07/facepalm1.jpg

As if we expected otherwise.

lovejuice
06-19-2010, 12:27 AM
It was excellent. It was funny, exciting, deeply moving, and just a great time visiting old friends.

Toy Story 2 is still my favorite.
what robs it of its 1/2 *?

eternity
06-19-2010, 12:30 AM
Only thing that prevents it from being perfect with me is how a surprising amount of it is nearly identical to Toy Story 2. Doesn't take much to know what I'm referring to.

eternity
06-19-2010, 12:30 AM
It's like he doesn't even see the movie. Hamm is the villain? Wha?
He's the villain in all of Andy's imaginary stories. :/

Spun Lepton
06-19-2010, 12:35 AM
I stopped going to White's site, I don't want to give that troll any more hits.

eternity
06-19-2010, 12:37 AM
I stopped going to White's site, I don't want to give that troll any more hits.
Armond's argument is much more sound than Cole Smithey's, which boils down to "it's not the movie I want it to be; it doesn't have 3D gimmicks and it's too sad."

balmakboor
06-19-2010, 02:59 AM
What irks me more than White's opinions here is that the reviews are so badly written. Tell me again. Does he get paid for this stuff?

I plan on seeing Toy Story 3 with the family on Sunday by the way. Really looking foward to it. We rewatched the first two and everything to get ready.

eternity
06-19-2010, 03:07 AM
Isn't the

hand holding

scene one of the most devastating things you've ever seen? I just couldn't handle it.

Spun Lepton
06-19-2010, 03:20 AM
What irks me more than White's opinions here is that the reviews are so badly written. Tell me again. Does he get paid for this stuff?

It probably partially depends on how many hits his reviews get.

balmakboor
06-19-2010, 03:27 AM
It probably partially depends on how many hits his reviews get.

I wonder if this weird contrarian move with these two movies is genuine or a stunt to get a lot of hits. Because, yes, of course you are right. He earns his pay because he's a firebrand and draws plenty of readers to the New York Press every Friday.

Spun Lepton
06-19-2010, 03:41 AM
I wonder if this weird contrarian move with these two movies is genuine or a stunt to get a lot of hits. Because, yes, of course you are right. He earns his pay because he's a firebrand and draws plenty of readers to the New York Press every Friday.

Stunt. It's all a stunt to get hits. He is a troll.

Watashi
06-19-2010, 03:55 AM
what robs it of its 1/2 *?
It recycles a few gags from part 2 (I thought the fake-out opening was done better in 2) and it takes a while for it to really get going. Once they arrive at the daycare, it's all pure excellence.

Derek
06-19-2010, 04:01 AM
this weird contrarian move

But there's nothing weird about it. White has diminished into little than a loudmouth contrarian whose goal seems less and less to judge a film on its own merits than to examine it in relation to how other critics and audiences in general have responded to it. What's amusing is that his strategy is so transparent and his writing so turgid that he has become as conservative and predictable as much of the critical community he "rebels" against. Contrarianism in criticism can be useful when part of a greater strategy of challenging the status quo, but when its simply an egotistical exercise pitting one's own profound realizations against the mindless majority, it's simply annoying.

Sxottlan
06-19-2010, 04:06 AM
Only thing that prevents it from being perfect with me is how a surprising amount of it is nearly identical to Toy Story 2.

I've been trying to put my finger on what it is that's bothering me about this movie and I think this could be it. Otherwise, I quite liked it.

Watashi
06-19-2010, 04:24 AM
But there's nothing weird about it. White has diminished into little than a loudmouth contrarian whose goal seems less and less to judge a film on its own merits than to examine it in relation to how other critics and audiences in general have responded to it. What's amusing is that his strategy is so transparent and his writing so turgid that he has become as conservative and predictable as much of the critical community he "rebels" against. Contrarianism in criticism can be useful when part of a greater strategy of challenging the status quo, but when its simply an egotistical exercise pitting one's own profound realizations against the mindless majority, it's simply annoying.
Indeed. White's problems with being a writer is that he can never write a review without taking a potshot at other films and its audience. I wouldn't mind White's contrariness if he actually stuck to the film within the review instead of going off in little tangents. This makes him inconsistent and unprofessional. In his two reviews, he complains about Toy Story 3 celebrating brand-name consumerism (even though the two main stars are original creations) and then champions Transformers 2 as a more thrilling plot which is nothing BUT brand-name consumerism. He points fingers at critics and audiences saying that we are being suckered without paying for it "politically, aesthetically or spiritually" (whatever that means) and then champions Jonah Hex not really for the film, but the writers Neveldine and Taylor who White so blindly loves. Except that the script is not even fully theirs and have since denounced it.

BuffaloWilder
06-19-2010, 05:36 AM
From the comments section of the Jonah Hex review -


I hope that you do not read the pitiful, insulting comments that people leave. I know I wouldn't be able to take it. Love your comment about "true art." Awesome review.

Sven. No.

B-side
06-19-2010, 05:58 AM
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6636/armond.jpg

Watashi
06-19-2010, 08:14 AM
It's people like Sven who keep Armond employed.

*rolls up newspaper*

Bad Sven. Bad!

Watashi
06-19-2010, 08:16 AM
Also, awesome review? Did you read the whole, "True art is watching hot-chick Megan Fox (as Lilah the hooker) fearlessly staring at the most grotesque side of Jonah’s face as if coming to grips with her own exploitation. Beautiful and brilliant" part?

The hell, man. You're losing it.

Watashi
06-19-2010, 08:20 AM
After reading White's review for Jennifer's Body, Transformers 2, and now Jonah Hex, it's clear that he just wants to bang Megan Fox. End of review.

Winston*
06-19-2010, 12:31 PM
I don't care if he likes this movie or hates that movie, but I really don't like when White and other reviewers play the "if you like this movie you're a stupid person" card. It's a fucking movie, get some perspective.

Sven
06-19-2010, 07:53 PM
I don't care if he likes this movie or hates that movie, but I really don't like when White and other reviewers play the "if you like this movie you're a stupid person" card. It's a fucking movie, get some perspective.

I think a hefty dose of perspective would be useful to all parties involved.

megladon8
06-19-2010, 07:56 PM
I don't like how Armond White gets away with being so blatantly racist.

The man has serious issues. I don't know how he ever got (let alone retains) a job in professional journalism.

Sven
06-19-2010, 07:57 PM
I don't like how Armond White gets away with being so blatantly racist.

Examples?

I guess I'm all for turning this thread into another Armond train, since everyone else seems to be okay with that.

Sven
06-19-2010, 08:00 PM
Did you read the whole, "True art is watching ...


Love your comment about "true art."

For a dude accusing the reviewer of not watching his movies, it sure sounds like you're responding to my writing without actually reading it.

Watashi
06-19-2010, 08:01 PM
For a dude accusing the reviewer of not watching his movies, it sure sounds like you're responding to my writing without actually reading it.
I saw that, Svenny.

I want to know why you love it.

Sven
06-19-2010, 08:08 PM
I want to know why you love it.

Why not? Isn't that what people look for in movies? When critics look back on films, they often entertain projections. Like when noting the homosexual subtext of Pillow Talk, for example. Or when historians make note of the small moments in Monroe's films that foreshadow her demise. He offers an example of a moment that he finds effective because of the way it jumps off the 2-dimensional screen and becomes applicable to life and culture and calls it art. Isn't that what critics are supposed to do?

Pop Trash
06-19-2010, 08:25 PM
My issue is that Pixar seems to exemplify the type of humanist, anti-'hipster-nihilism' Spielberg-esque filmmaking White always wants to champion. I'm perfectly fine with him wanting to dis on filmmakers like PT Anderson, Tarantino, David Fincher, etc. (really most of the Gen-X filmmakers that started in the 90s) for being too fashionably nihilistic, but his hatred of Pixar seems to go against his own taste for more humane films (like those by Mike Leigh and Wes Anderson for example). I mean isn't Wall-E pretty much the ET of the '00s? Unless he just doesn't like animation, which he should concede if that is indeed his true problem.

Rowland
06-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I mean isn't Wall-E pretty much the ET of the '00s? I dunno, of all Pixar's movies, Wall-E can easily be construed as the most fashionably nihilistic in its vision, if you're looking to apply such a label.

Sven
06-19-2010, 08:31 PM
I mean isn't Wall-E pretty much the ET of the '00s?

Can you honestly say "ET = Wall-E"? What do they have in common that makes them the exact same movie? I'd suggest that you've set yourself up a pretty misleading equation.

Pop Trash
06-19-2010, 08:42 PM
Can you honestly say "ET = Wall-E"? What do they have in common that makes them the exact same movie? I'd suggest that you've set yourself up a pretty misleading equation.

Ummm...I never said they were the "exact same movie" so try not to misquote me Sven. They have similarities:

-both popular family films well received by both critics and audiences
-both contain an 'alien' from outerspace discovering and collecting data from Earth
-both Wall-E and ET (SPOILER here but haven't we all seen these?) 'die' and are then resurrected before the end of the film, generating a heart-string tugging climax that could be interpreted as an analogue to the Christian resurrection tale

They have differences as well; the obvious one being that ET is truly Elliot's tale and Wall-E lacks a strong human protagonist.

Sven
06-19-2010, 08:45 PM
Ummm...I never said they were the "exact same movie" so try not to misquote me Sven. They have similarities:

I was attempting to humorously imply that suggesting that liking one necessarily means liking the other is rather ridiculous. It was a deliberate exaggerated paraphrase, rather than a misquote. Sorry I wasn't funny enough to make that clear. :sad:

megladon8
06-19-2010, 10:41 PM
Examples?

I guess I'm all for turning this thread into another Armond train, since everyone else seems to be okay with that.


Any time he demeans the white hipster crowd in New York City (or big cities in general) in defense of some mission against "hipster nihilism".

Like Watashi wrote a few posts back, so often his reviews just turn into insulting tangents on groups of people he finds to be annoying. He should be writing something for style/culture, because he's clearly more interested in bashing the people who see the movies, than in talking about the movie itself.

In this way, I feel I never really know what his opinion on a movie truly is beyond "did / didn't like it", because he spends so little time looking at the movie itself. He'd rather just troll.

number8
06-19-2010, 11:41 PM
Oh, Armond White doesn't like something everyone else loves? Rage.

Yawn.

Let's talk about the movie. Devastating third act, but I'm kind of ambivalent about the middle. It's expertly assembled, but I don't think the issue of abandonment really connects with the prison break plot, unlike Toy Story 2's exploration of the same theme tied with Woody's leaving to a museum, which is much more symbolic than daycare. Mostly, it feels like a retread of Toy Story 2. Even the villain of both movies have the exact same tragic motive of cynical existentialism, the whole "we're toys so we get discarded, no child can truly love us forever" speech.

It would go against the positive message of the series, but a part of me wished that the toys would stay in the landfill and build a new life as trash, accepting the fact that yes, in real life, toys get discarded every day. But then you wouldn't have that gutpunch of an ending.

Also, HOW FUCKING AWESOME IS IT THAT TOTORO IS A CHARACTER IN THIS MOVIE?

balmakboor
06-19-2010, 11:51 PM
Devastating third act, but I'm kind of ambivalent about the middle..

Also, HOW FUCKING AWESOME IS IT THAT TOTORO IS A CHARACTER IN THIS MOVIE?

Not encouraging to me that you had problems with the 2nd act. In my opinion, Pixar has screwed up three recent 2nd acts, namely The Incredibles, Wall-E, and Up.

Btw, how big of a character is Totoro? My daughter has been dying with anticipation ever since she noticed that the character was in the movie.

BuffaloWilder
06-20-2010, 05:26 AM
In this way, I feel I never really know what his opinion on a movie truly is beyond "did / didn't like it", because he spends so little time looking at the movie itself. He'd rather just troll.

Remember when that review he did of that one movie was really all about Jay Z's Empire State of Mind?

Watashi
06-20-2010, 05:28 AM
As soon as I saw Bonnie, I knew where the toys would end up being, but still that incinerator scene was absolutely brutal. The look that Buzz gives to Jessie as he reaches out and holds her hand for what could be the last time is one of the most gut-wrenching scene in any movie I've seen.

I really love the chatter telephone toy. I love how his character is a straight-up 40's film noir role.

Derek
06-20-2010, 05:38 AM
Any time he demeans the white hipster crowd in New York City (or big cities in general) in defense of some mission against "hipster nihilism".

Believe it or not, there are lots of black hipsters in big cities as well.

Sxottlan
06-20-2010, 06:43 AM
I guess I'm all for turning this thread into another Armond train, since everyone else seems to be okay with that.

Let's not.

That's just what the terrorists want us to do.

Sven
06-20-2010, 07:11 AM
Any time he demeans the white hipster crowd in New York City (or big cities in general) in defense of some mission against "hipster nihilism".

Yeah, show me a time when he singles out white hipsters specifically. I lived in BK long enough to understand the hipster demographic's frequent non-whiteness.

But I think we really ought to take Sx & 8's suggestions. For the record, I didn't start this. I agree that discussion about White has gotten pretty monotonous, however much I love to fight the good fight.

D_Davis
06-20-2010, 08:15 AM
Believe it or not, there are lots of black hipsters in big cities as well.

I saw one with a square afro the other day at the ramen shop.

number8
06-20-2010, 01:09 PM
As soon as I saw Bonnie, I knew where the toys would end up being, but still that incinerator scene was absolutely brutal. The look that Buzz gives to Jessie as he reaches out and holds her hand for what could be the last time is one of the most gut-wrenching scene in any movie I've seen.

Weirdly enough, to me the saddest moment of that scene is the wide shot of Slinky, Hamm and Rex all crawling towards each other. The wide shot carries a certain desperation to their gestures that was more powerful than the close-ups of Woody/Jesse/Buzz/Bullseye holding hands.

balmakboor
06-20-2010, 11:11 PM
A third negative review is in from Jeremy Heilman and people are starting to rip away at him as well. I wonder though if they actually read his review:

http://www.moviemartyr.com/2010/toystory3.htm

It is well written and makes some good points.

As for me, I enjoyed the movie immensely. I do wish that I'd had the option to see it in 2-D though. I'm really starting to grow tired of those stupid glasses.

Watashi
06-20-2010, 11:25 PM
Man, I really hate Jeremy Heilman. It has nothing to do with him liking or disliking a movie, but his writing style is so nauesating to me.

Spinal
06-21-2010, 12:31 AM
What's with people having this obsession with a 100% critical response? Don't be a fascist, man.

Watashi
06-21-2010, 12:37 AM
What's with people having this obsession with a 100% critical response? Don't be a fascist, man.
Who is this regarded to? Me? I don't really care. I only brought up Armond White's review because I thought it was hilarious and clearly a stunt to draw in attention.

Some of my favorite movies (Speed Racer for one) have negative critical response. 98% or 100%, the only real opinion that matters should be my own.

If you are referring to all those deadbrain idiots who negatively comments on rotten reviews, then yeah, fuck them. Most of them don't even read the review. I read Heilman's review finally and it wasn't as nauseating as I expected it to be. Most of his complaints was that a lot of the jokes/themes were a retread of Toy Story 2 which is an apt complaint.

Watashi
06-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Speaking of reviews, Weitzman wrote up his and it's very well-written and examines the film much deeper than I got out of it.

You should really see the movie before you read it:


I am, perhaps, well-known/infamous for my particular readings of the first two Toy Story films, for considering them a complex parent/child metaphor that quite brilliantly switches sides for the metaphor between the first and second films. In the first, I considered the toys to be the children to the kids that owned them, and the issues they faced were ones that children face with their parents: being "replaced" (a new baby threatening the older child), getting "lost" (a tangible fear for young minds that cannot seek their parents out when they disappear), and who's the "favorite" (the application of which for children speaks for itself). In the second, the metaphor flip-flops and the toys become the parents to the kids, and their issues are parents' issues: being left behind as your child grows up, the feeling of uselessness as your body ages and fails you, and those adults you know who refuse to get into the game of raising children because they can't handle it. I adore these films immensely, and because of that, I dreaded the news of a third Toy Story. I really didn't think there was anywhere else they could go.

Little did I know. But here's the trick: Toy Story 3 is not a parent/child metaphor. I'm sure there are elements that are evocative of it, and if we all sat down and racked our brains, I'm positive a healthy amount of parent/child reference and exploration could be gleaned from the movie. Even the director, Lee Unkrich, has equated the film's thematic journey to "empty nest" syndrome. And yet, that's not really what this movie is about, is it? Oh, sure, Toy Story 3 is still a movie that examines the relationship between toys and children, but what I realized partway through the film was that we'd thrown over the whole parent/child thing. More than any other films in the Toy Story canon, Toy Story 3 is literally ABOUT the relationship between toys and children. The metaphors are brushed aside, perhaps out of the necessity and reality of Andy's age. The parent/child metaphor came about because Andy's age made for a boxed environment where Andy's behavior could be reasonably predicted; he was a kid who liked to play with his toys. With that as a constant (albeit memorably poked and threatened to various degrees in the first two films), the emotional journeys of the toys were guided to use such permanence as a stepping stone into more analogous waters.

Toy Story 3 removes that constant, and the void shatters the delusion that the toys really are "members of the family". No matter how happy the end of the story in Toy Story 3, the realities of Andy growing up have proven that the parent/child metaphor can no longer hold water when Andy comes of appropriate age. That doesn't undercut the earlier films; they work as marvelous microcosms for these themes that have larger applications and ramifications in our human-to-human relationships. But Toy Story 3 knows the sadder truth: following the internal logic of the Toy Story world means that we will eventually have to address their lives as toys, not as parents nor as children. As toys, anthropomorphic as they may be, Woody and the gang have a unique set of needs, dreams, and disappointments. Woody's aging in Toy Story 2 was evocative of how adults grow older; everybody's aging in Toy Story 3 is far more evocative about how they don't really age. They decay.

Our main characters used to live in a world where they truly were family members, and the years of neglect only served to heighten their eagerness to return to such a status. But Toy Story 3 forces them to grasp that, as toys, their purpose and thusly their great existential successes are different from that as family members. This is the problem with Lotso, our villain. We can often look to the villain as a great highlighter of the theme, and the way Lotso reflects the theme is really quite dark and depressing (in the best of ways). In Lotso's backstory, he is replaced, which is indeed a term we've heard before. But it's not simply that he was replaced, but that he was replaced with an identical toy. This is not being abandoned; this is being existentially shattered. You are not your personage. This was used as a joke for Buzz in Toy Story 2 with the Buzz Lightyear aisle, but it carries far more weight here, where the recognition finally comes that the toys are all possessions and manufactured. This is why Lotso makes Sunnydale into the place it is; he transforms the daycare into a world where he can make his toy-based existence work for him and damn the others to things he would rather not experience. Indeed, what sets Lotso apart as a villain in the Toy Story canon is that he's the most self-aware about being a toy, utilizing instruction manuals and technology and having no moral concerns because he doesn't really exist as an autonomous creature (and therefore is bound to no one society or morality).

What's heartbreaking about all that is that Lotso is at least partially correct. A mass delusion amidst our heroes is shattered by the events of Toy Story 3. They really aren't family members; at least, not anymore. The only family they have is each other, which is why it's appropriate that Woody stay with them instead of joining Andy at college. Woody doesn't need to be a lucky rabbit's foot. Woody's decision to leave Andy (or, at least, to give Andy the opportunity to pass him on definitively) is a rueful but necessary recognition that their time together is over. And what's beautiful is that Andy is able to bring joy to Bonnie, this little girl who has such imagination and yet such a sadly-typical shyness around people she doesn't know. Toy Story 3 is the most incisive of the three movies about toys themselves, and what we learn here is that toys help us when we're children to outlet and form our own geysering wants and dreams, at a time when we're too young to funnel them into world-affecting activities. Toys build us into people. Parents build children into adults, and children build adults into parents, and in that case, all three films are connected. But really, Woody and Buzz are toys, and their greatest power is in how well they blossom forth a young mind. They did it for Andy, and now they'll do it for Bonnie. It's partially a sad ending, if only for what we look back on and wish that things could have stayed frozen in time. But since that's just so not possible, this is indeed the happiest ending we could really have asked for.

chrisnu
06-21-2010, 01:29 AM
Is this worth seeing in 3-D?

Sycophant
06-21-2010, 01:59 AM
What's with people having this obsession with a 100% critical response? Don't be a fascist, man.

Video game culture making inroads to the mainstream.

Watashi
06-21-2010, 02:17 AM
Is this worth seeing in 3-D?
Don't expect anything popping out at you, but yes, I think it is. Then again, I don't pay for the ridiculous high movie ticket prices.

Barty
06-21-2010, 02:40 AM
Toy Story 3 is really Libertarian.

Lotso = Obama

The ending is a powerful illustration of the mutual benefits of voluntary exchange. Brilliantly handled, illustrating not only the material aspects of exchange but the mental aspect of it as well. Andy doesn't receive anything physical in return, only the psychic satisfaction his former toys will be cared for. Brilliant stuff.

Mysterious Dude
06-21-2010, 03:13 AM
I have a prediction: Out of Barty's next 100 posts on this forum, a significant majority of them will be about libertarianism.

Spinal
06-21-2010, 03:44 AM
Who is this regarded to? Me?

No.

number8
06-21-2010, 01:17 PM
Right then. So here's mine (http://www.justpressplay.net/movie-reviews/40-reviews/6726-toy-story-3.html).

I dig Alex's, though.

number8
06-21-2010, 04:17 PM
By the way, Night & Day is superb.

Watashi
06-21-2010, 05:52 PM
By the way, Night & Day is superb.
It's actually called Day & Night. :)

Damn Tom Cruise.

Yes, it is superb.

ThePlashyBubbler
06-22-2010, 05:22 AM
For whatever reason, I just read Harry Knowles' unintentionally hilarious review of the film. Worth it, if only for hearing him describe a toy-maiming incident from his childhood as a "massive argument" with his dog. :lol:

eternity
06-22-2010, 08:17 AM
Toy Story 3 is really Libertarian.

Lotso = Obama

The ending is a powerful illustration of the mutual benefits of voluntary exchange. Brilliantly handled, illustrating not only the material aspects of exchange but the mental aspect of it as well. Andy doesn't receive anything physical in return, only the psychic satisfaction his former toys will be cared for. Brilliant stuff.
It's Obama's fault that all the new people in the country are doing the shitty jobs! They should be equal if they're here!

See, it's also pro-illegal immigration.

MadMan
06-22-2010, 08:24 PM
I can see it in 3D for free, but I don't see the point of it being in 3D. Plus I'm sick of movies being in 3D, although yes I am still eagerly awaiting Piranha in 3D, so go figure.

Ezee E
06-22-2010, 08:35 PM
I can see it in 3D for free, but I don't see the point of it being in 3D. Plus I'm sick of movies being in 3D, although yes I am still eagerly awaiting Piranha in 3D, so go figure.
Now you're just becoming a caricature of yourself.

MadMan
06-22-2010, 08:37 PM
Now you're just becoming a caricature of yourself.Really? I had no idea.

PS: The appeal of going to see Piranha in 3D is because its going to be hilarious and over the top, not because of the 3D. Although God knows stupid shit and gore popping out at me will be part of the funny.

number8
06-22-2010, 09:02 PM
Would people stop being so hostile towards 3D when the prices are standardized and it no longer needs glasses?

balmakboor
06-22-2010, 09:47 PM
Would people stop being so hostile towards 3D when the prices are standardized and it no longer needs glasses?

Yes.

Skitch
06-22-2010, 10:11 PM
My head about exploded when Totoro showed up. That was such a cool thing to do.

Skitch
06-22-2010, 10:19 PM
Also, HOW FUCKING AWESOME IS IT THAT TOTORO IS A CHARACTER IN THIS MOVIE?
After I finished my isle-clearing cart wheel, I suddenly got very upset that I was the only person in the theater that recognized. In my theater's defense, they were all on their cell phones or talking to their friends.

MacGuffin
06-22-2010, 10:21 PM
In my theater's defense, they were all on their cell phones or talking to their friends.

Disgusting. This is what moviegoing has become?

Skitch
06-22-2010, 10:34 PM
Disgusting. This is what moviegoing has become?
Its me, dude. Every friend I have as said the same thing: they don't have crowd issues unless I'm along. I have the worst luck. I dread going to the theater. I could sit in the front row of an empty theater, and if anyone else walks in, they WILL sit directly behind me. I wish I was joking. :(

This may have been a new standard for bad crowd though, they were exceptionally awful. My girlfriends five year old was faaaaaaar more quiet, behaved, and mature then the teens more then twice her age. Pathetic.

MacGuffin
06-22-2010, 10:48 PM
Its me, dude. Every friend I have as said the same thing: they don't have crowd issues unless I'm along. I have the worst luck. I dread going to the theater. I could sit in the front row of an empty theater, and if anyone else walks in, they WILL sit directly behind me. I wish I was joking. :(

This may have been a new standard for bad crowd though, they were exceptionally awful. My girlfriends five year old was faaaaaaar more quiet, behaved, and mature then the teens more then twice her age. Pathetic.

If you live near a city, you should just find an arthouse.

Edit: Sorry, I just realized this was the Toy Story 3 thread. Anyway, in this case, you should just find a really expensive theater in the closest city near you and see it later in the night.

Ivan Drago
06-22-2010, 10:53 PM
Would people stop being so hostile towards 3D when the prices are standardized and it no longer needs glasses?

I sure will.

Derek
06-22-2010, 11:15 PM
Really? I had no idea.

Your posts are like a snake eating itself, only the snake always considers stopping before deciding to continue anyway.

Qrazy
06-23-2010, 03:47 AM
Your posts are like a snake eating itself, only the snake always considers stopping before deciding to continue anyway.

Ahhh zees ees vut vee call zee Indeeseesive Oouroboros Syndrome clahss.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__HdhKbWj5OA/S6ko4lFjphI/AAAAAAAAAEE/h-HlUxlSXKQ/s200/crazy_professor_sims.jpg

Rowland
06-23-2010, 11:58 AM
Your posts are like a snake eating itself, only the snake always considers stopping before deciding to continue anyway.I could laugh at this, since I know I'll probably never read it again, but why bother, knowing that I will probably read a future post of yours, and laugh at that.

Henry Gale
06-23-2010, 06:58 PM
This was probably the most diverse and lively audience I've ever had for a movie. I went with my family as a sort of post-Father's Day excursion together, and I think that, aside from the movie itself, made the nostalgia of it that much more moving.

I was 5 and 9 when the first two came out, so seeing the characters all together again, although some grown up and more complex, was on its own a perfectly melancholy sort of evolution of the story for me. Andy's age with the three films line up almost perfectly with the time I've seen them for the first times, and it's a bit of a weird thing to think that much of the audience for this one wasn't even born until years after the previous ones came out.

The little kids in the theatre were hilarious, often finding ways to laugh in really over-the-top ways that made gags that weren't so funny, suddenly make everyone from teenagers, middle-aged to elderly audience members erupt in laughter. At the very end when Andy was playing with Woody for one last time, the three-year-old beside me started pulling the string on the Woody he'd brought with him, saying the cowboy phrases along with him, and then imitating all the other characters in delight during the credits afterwards. Things like that pretty much helped me to not be completely overwhelmed by the emotions of that ending.

I'm not at all sure where it would rank in the trilogy for me, because I'm not too sure that it really matters to me. This one seemed to be made all on its own for people like myself who had held the original films so deary in their childhood, and as a bonus, this third installment was there to recall what it was about 1 and 2 that were so great in the first place. It was one last time to spent with the toys, and now I'd say this trilogy is as perfect and complete as it could be.

B-side
06-24-2010, 01:32 AM
I guess I'll be the first person to chime in with a "negative" opinion. I don't have anything to say about it, really, except that it didn't do much of anything for me. I appreciated the political bent, but the jokes didn't hit very often and the sentimentality was laid on way thick. Eh.

Mysterious Dude
06-24-2010, 02:21 AM
Would people stop being so hostile towards 3D when the prices are standardized and it no longer needs glasses?
I will not see another movie in 3-D until this happens.

Qrazy
06-24-2010, 03:01 AM
I guess I'll be the first person to chime in with a "negative" opinion. I don't have anything to say about it, really, except that it didn't do much of anything for me. I appreciated the political bent, but the jokes didn't hit very often and the sentimentality was laid on way thick. Eh.

Why do you hate children?

B-side
06-24-2010, 05:00 AM
Why do you hate children?

They stretch vaginas.

MadMan
06-24-2010, 06:02 AM
Your posts are like a snake eating itself, only the snake always considers stopping before deciding to continue anyway.I have no idea what the hell this post means.

D_Davis
06-24-2010, 06:11 AM
How much does it cost to see a movie in 3D?

eternity
06-24-2010, 06:12 AM
How much does it cost to see a movie in 3D?Every theater I've been to is +$3 the normal ticket price. Might be more or less depending on the market. Most likely more.

number8
06-24-2010, 01:30 PM
My theater added only $2.

balmakboor
06-25-2010, 01:18 AM
Every theater I've been to is +$3 the normal ticket price. Might be more or less depending on the market. Most likely more.

Out theaters only add $1.00. But then the ticket price is only $6.50 to begin with.

Derek
06-25-2010, 02:46 AM
I have no idea what the hell this post means.


I can see it in 3D for free, but I don't see the point of it being in 3D. Plus I'm sick of movies being in 3D, although yes I am still eagerly awaiting Piranha in 3D, so go figure.

Your posts often negate themselves ("I really want to see [movie title], but I'll probably be too lazy to ever get around to it") or consider negating themselves but end up not doing so ("I really want to see [movie title], but I'll probably be too lazy to ever get around to it, though maybe I'll pick it up at the library and eventually see it.") or consider negating themselves but instead stay in some wishy-washy middle ground ("I really want to see [movie title], but I'll probably be too lazy to ever get around to it, though maybe I'll pick it up at the library and eventually see it, however, my local library burned down and I have to do laundry this weekend."). Or like this post above - you can see a 3D movie, but you don't see the point of 3D and you're sick of movies being in 3D though you're eagerly awaiting a specific movie in 3D. A snake, indecisively, eating itself. :)

MadMan
06-25-2010, 03:00 AM
Fair enough about being too lazy to watch a movie. However, my post about Piranha in 3D and wanting to see it doesn't mean I'm sick and tired of 3D movies. 3D can exist, but the fact that they are even apparently going to make the last two Harry Potter movies (really one movie, split into two parts) in 3D is going too far.

Derek
06-25-2010, 04:24 AM
my post about Piranha in 3D and wanting to see it doesn't mean I'm sick and tired of 3D movies. 3D can exist


Plus I'm sick of movies being in 3D

:P

Qrazy
06-25-2010, 04:46 AM
This shit is going to make the world implode.

Derek
06-25-2010, 05:00 AM
This shit is going to make the world implode.

Or not, though maybe you're right.

[/derail]

MadMan
06-25-2010, 06:56 PM
:| :P :frustrated: :lol: :pritch:

PS: On topic, I'll be seeing this either this either on Tuesday or sometime during the week after that.

Sycophant
06-25-2010, 07:13 PM
This movie has some pretty great highs, but a lot of the movie is pretty meh moment-to-moment. A lot of the jokes came off forced and flat. But overall, I liked it.

Sycophant
06-25-2010, 07:20 PM
Brave Little Toaster is undoubtedly a better film.

So little of the comedy in this movie worked. And it was so frantically paced that it all feels... I don't know. Disposable.