H2 (Zombie) [Archive]

Bosco B Thug

05-10-2009, 09:18 PM

This movie is going to be ridiculous. Wacky ridiculous.

It honestly looks like Zombie's taking this to his old cartoonish horror places.

I like Michael's vagrant look, surprisingly.

That one revolving shot of Michael stabbing down behind the hospital glass shield is pretty cool.

Sheri Moon as Ghost Mommy as Simone Simon in The Curse of the Cat People is amazing. Amazingly something, that is.

I hope I end up liking this one. Really. I feel as if Zombie's not doing himself any favors by having done this movie, though. A bit scared for him.

Dukefrukem

05-10-2009, 09:25 PM

I don't think it looks to cartoony horror. Def not like any of the House of 1000 Corpses bad. HIs first Halloween was hyped beyond belief and the voice over in this trailer sounds like they're trying to do the same thing. I'm going into this movie with equal expectations from the first.

Spun Lepton

05-10-2009, 10:11 PM

megladon8

05-10-2009, 10:19 PM

This is how I interpreted the voice-over in the trailer...

"Rob Zombie completes his extreme vision of a terrifying legend...that is, unless this one does really well, and we decide to make a third movie."

So yeah. I HATE Sheri Moon Zombie and I wish she would never act again. She's dreadful in everything, and in this she looks Razzie-worthy.

Scout Taylor Compton is pretty awful, too.

I'll see it, but I don't have any expectations at all. Hopefully it won't drag on as much as the last one.

Dead & Messed Up

05-10-2009, 10:22 PM

This is clearly what the world is in need of.

D_Davis

05-10-2009, 11:00 PM

I really enjoyed Zombie's Halloween, and this one looks pretty cool as well.

Bosco B Thug

05-11-2009, 02:21 AM

I really enjoyed Zombie's Halloween, and this one looks pretty cool as well.
Despite the tone I gave off in my first post, I think this looks pretty cool as well. Gothic and eccentric.

I hear this thing's gonna be even more loaded with cameos and peripheral characters (of Zombie-esque "local color") than the first one, too. He has a production blog somewhere where he just posts random ass pics while sounding so excited about how this film is turning out (as production blogs are want to be). This movie's going to be such a freaking mess. :lol:

The Mike

05-11-2009, 02:31 AM

Urge to kill...rising.

Bosco B Thug

05-11-2009, 02:46 AM

Urge to kill...rising. http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr226/zombiezombie/al.jpg

Witness the enthusiasm. (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.List AllCustom&friendId=28735418&swapped=true)

Sycophant

05-11-2009, 03:10 AM

My first thought was "Wow, Rob Zombie looks a lot like Malcolm McDowell."

Grouchy

05-11-2009, 03:54 AM

I'd watch anything by Zombie, and yet this one just seems so fucking unnecessary.

Even if that teaser is good, which it is, it still doesn't make me want to see it. At least his first remake had a different angle, which were the flashback to Mike's childhood.

number8

05-11-2009, 07:07 AM

Well... Uh, awesome that Dr. Loomis got his eyes back?

Wryan

05-11-2009, 04:09 PM

Well... Uh, awesome that Dr. Loomis got his eyes back?

Alternate dimension. Done. Moving on.

Sycophant

05-11-2009, 04:13 PM

Maybe we can get a series of webisodes explaining the reclamation of Dr. Loomis's eyesight? Then they can be packaged together on a special, promotional making-of DVD with another short film made from scenes off the cutting room floor!

Spun Lepton

05-11-2009, 09:14 PM

EvilShoe

05-11-2009, 09:17 PM

Wait, what's all this about Loomis having gone blind...
I thought he was killed in the previous one?

number8

05-11-2009, 10:49 PM

Wait, what's all this about Loomis having gone blind...
I thought he was killed in the previous one?

If I remember correctly, Michael squeezed Loomis' head and poked his eyes out with his thumbs. Am I wrong?

EvilShoe

05-11-2009, 11:04 PM

If I remember correctly, Michael squeezed Loomis' head and poked his eyes out with his thumbs. Am I wrong?
You're more likely to be right: I haven't seen the movie. I just read somewhere he got killed off.

Spun Lepton

05-11-2009, 11:04 PM

If I remember correctly, Michael squeezed Loomis' head and poked his eyes out with his thumbs. Am I wrong?

I thought Loomis was fine at the end. But, then again, I was kind of drunk when I watched it.

The Mike

05-12-2009, 12:48 AM

"This movie looks bad and I hate some of the cast."

"I'll see it and help it succeed."

:|
If it makes you feel better, I'll see it opening night, hate it, bitch about it, buy the DVD the day it comes out, and then hate it and bitch about it more.

Fucking addiction. :sad:

Dukefrukem

05-12-2009, 12:50 AM

holy shit...

make a match cut banner for this!

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr226/zombiezombie/hospital.jpg

Sycophant

05-12-2009, 12:51 AM

Ew, no.

The Mike

05-12-2009, 12:52 AM

Ew, no.

Seconded. It'd make me swear everytime I log on.

Dukefrukem

05-12-2009, 01:14 AM

alright. well how bout this one?

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr226/zombiezombie/giant.jpg

Ezee E

05-12-2009, 01:19 AM

Kind of represents Match Cut well doesn't it?

Spun Lepton

05-12-2009, 01:22 AM

If it makes you feel better, I'll see it opening night, hate it, bitch about it, buy the DVD the day it comes out, and then hate it and bitch about it more.

Fucking addiction. :sad:

Will you be one of those screaming, "Why won't this franchise DIE?!" when you're purchasing part 7, too?

The Mike

05-12-2009, 01:36 AM

Will you be one of those screaming, "Why won't this franchise DIE?!" when you're purchasing part 7, too?

I only have two spots left on my Halloween shelf, so I'll have to upgrade my pad, but....yes.

MadMan

05-12-2009, 02:31 AM

I liked the first one, which was a remake of the original classic, well enough. But this sequel to the remake feels un-necessary and kind of pointless.

This kind of ties into Halloween II, the sequel to the original classic, so I guess don't read this if you don't want that movie spoiled. And hey I liked Halloween II. And the Halloween remake. I have my reasons :P
Gotta love that the sequel seems to carry on the tradition of the originals, where Michael and Sam Loomis both get killed off or something along those lines, only guess what! Both are back for the next movie. Sure it only happened once with Loomis, but Michael can be considered immortal at this point.

But hey, no Thorn curse this time, right? That's a plus ;)

Dukefrukem

07-14-2009, 01:30 AM

fan made art... fucking awesome

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/997/h2wallpaper071009.jpg

The Mike

07-14-2009, 01:49 AM

This movie makes me want to burn my soul.

Ezee E

07-14-2009, 03:43 AM

Looks like the cover of Dark Harvest.

MadMan

07-14-2009, 08:22 AM

I have to also note that even though I feel this movie is utterly pointless, I will be seeing it in theaters. But for free, though. I'm curious as to how it turn out, although expectations will be very low. Yey for contradicting myself :pritch:

Milky Joe

08-24-2009, 01:24 AM

(Having seen the trailer before Basterds) This movie actually looks pretty cool. Malcolm McDowell, Brad Dourif, AND Dayton Callie? I will be there. Maybe not in theaters, but somewhere, some time, I will see this.

Ivan Drago

08-24-2009, 01:34 AM

This and The Final Destination have midnight showings on the 28th near me.

I'm still trying to process that.

Dukefrukem

08-24-2009, 11:26 AM

Rob Zombie was interviewed by Howard Stern and he said this isn't a remake of Halloween 2. He said he re-wrote the whole thing...

number8

08-24-2009, 11:42 AM

Kind of obvious, since it takes place 2 years after the first movie.

Dukefrukem

08-24-2009, 11:57 AM

Kind of obvious, since it takes place 2 years after the first movie.

Didn't know that.

number8

08-24-2009, 07:58 PM

Here, this is actually pretty interesting:

http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/movie-news/5764-rob-zombie-glad-for-qhalloween-iiq-trailer-leak.html

Pop Trash

08-24-2009, 08:05 PM

Kind of obvious, since it takes place 2 years after the first movie.

I like the original sequel (geez it's so weird we are getting remakes of sequels) in part because it starts off immediately after the first one ends. It's pretty original for that.

number8

08-24-2009, 10:46 PM

I like the original sequel (geez it's so weird we are getting remakes of sequels) in part because it starts off immediately after the first one ends. It's pretty original for that.

It's funny to me that many people don't realize that Carpenter didn't direct it.

Rowland

08-24-2009, 11:02 PM

It's funny to me that many people don't realize that Carpenter didn't direct it.But he did co-write it with Debra Hill, and it's the script that renders it an awful sequel, more so than Rosenthal's passable direction.

Mal

08-24-2009, 11:34 PM

Shit sandwich.

Scar

08-25-2009, 12:02 AM

I'm game. I love the remake.

MadMan

08-25-2009, 03:28 AM

But he did co-write it with Debra Hill, and it's the script that renders it an awful sequel, more so than Rosenthal's passable direction.I'm starting to think that I'm the only one who doesn't mind that the script featured Myers being revealed as being Laurie's brother, with the whole cult angle thrown in. But then again I'm a stanch defender of Halloween II, as I found it to be creepy and a very solid sequel. Still need to see all of Halloween III, which according to some is underrated, and H20 which I hear isn't half bad. I will never see 8, 4 was awful, and I saw enough of 5 and 6 on AMC to convince me never to watch them all the way through.

Pop Trash

08-25-2009, 03:52 AM

But he did co-write it with Debra Hill, and it's the script that renders it an awful sequel, more so than Rosenthal's passable direction.
Disagree. It's one of the better of the slasher franchise sequels from the 80s (along with Nightmare 3 and Friday the 13th 4) I don't remember anything worse about the script than part one and the direction is quite good (lots of stedicam long takes) to the point where I wonder if Carpenter didn't just ghost direct lots of it (ala Spielberg on Poltergeist). He probably just didn't want to direct it himself so he wouldn't have to be there everyday calling the shots in production and post, so he could work on other projects.

Pop Trash

08-25-2009, 03:54 AM

I will never see 8, 4 was awful, and I saw enough of 5 and 6 on AMC to convince me never to watch them all the way through.

This is true. I remember liking it when I was kid, but a rewatch proved it to be quite shitty.

Spun Lepton

08-25-2009, 04:05 AM

Disagree. It's one of the better of the slasher franchise sequels from the 80s (along with Nightmare 3 and Friday the 13th 4) I don't remember anything worse about the script than part one and the direction is quite good (lots of stedicam long takes) to the point where I wonder if Carpenter didn't just ghost direct lots of it (ala Spielberg on Poltergeist). He probably just didn't want to direct it himself so he wouldn't have to be there everyday calling the shots in production and post, so he could work on other projects.

Rosenthal directed the bulk of it, and apparently Carpenter went back and re-shot a few of the death scenes to make them gorier. Rosenthal has even gone on record to say that Carpenter's pick-ups ruined the pacing of the scenes.

Dead & Messed Up

08-25-2009, 07:10 AM

I'll probably hit a matinee showing of this, since I find Zombie's remake a fascinating (if not successful) attempt to legitimately "reboot" a franchise. In the modern remake era, it's probably the only one besides Dawn of the Dead that's worth a damn.

Rowland

08-25-2009, 08:07 AM

Sxottlan

08-25-2009, 08:45 AM

So Michael Myers is now the size of Andre the Giant?

Then again what do I know? I've never seen any of these and what I saw of the seemingly 70 minute Halloween Water, or whatever the hell it was called, made me never what to bother.

Grouchy

08-25-2009, 09:12 AM

I also didn't mind the "Laurie is his sister" angle in the original sequel. It kept the character of Mike Myers interesting and it added some possibilities for the story that unfortunately weren't used.

It probably also made him less scary since we know where he's coming from now instead of the "pure evil" of the first movie. But that's what Horror sequels are condemned to do with their monsters.

Dukefrukem

08-25-2009, 12:25 PM

Halloween 2 retroactively fucked up everything that made the original so special. If you don't see how making Jamie his sister, and making him some sort of druid assassin, were ridiculous ideas in light of the original, than you didn't understand the original Halloween. I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for nearly every awful creative decision made with its sequel. I have never read a defense that even half-way convinced me otherwise.

I remember being seriously dumbfounded by some of the opening scenes. MOre specifically, the one where a cop car skids into an innocent trick-or-treat pedestrian AND making it the The Most Arbitrary Explosion in Cinema History (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScxr4nJvMc).

The Mike

08-25-2009, 01:19 PM

Halloween 2 retroactively fucked up everything that made the original so special. If you don't see how making Jamie his sister, and making him some sort of druid assassin, were ridiculous ideas in light of the original, than you didn't understand the original Halloween. I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for nearly every awful creative decision made with its sequel. I have never read a defense that even half-way convinced me otherwise.

I agree completely. Hell, Carpenter himself admits he was drunk when he wrote it and that it was a bad move.

That said, it doesn't piss on the original as much as Zombie's remake did, so at least that's nice.

Rowland

08-25-2009, 03:43 PM

I agree completely. Hell, Carpenter himself admits he was drunk when he wrote it and that it was a bad move.

That said, it doesn't piss on the original as much as Zombie's remake did, so at least that's nice.Nah, the sequel is a much worse movie, and taints the original by attempting to continue right where it left off, mimic its aesthetic, and star the same leads. At least Zombie's film is honest about being a new vision, one that would have benefited even further by not including Carpenter's theme music.

Rowland

08-25-2009, 03:45 PM

I remember being seriously dumbfounded by some of the opening scenes. MOre specifically, the one where a cop car skids into an innocent trick-or-treat pedestrian AND making it the The Most Arbitrary Explosion in Cinema History (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScxr4nJvMc).Not to mention Michael just walking into a random house and killing some girl for the hell of it, or the kid chewing on a razor blade, a completely arbitrary bit of nasty business.

The Mike

08-25-2009, 10:55 PM

At least Zombie's film is honest about being a new vision, one that would have benefited even further by not including Carpenter's theme music. Or title, or mask, or character names.

"New vision" is one thing, "movie with an entirely different theme that doesn't understand the point of the original" is another.

Sycophant

08-25-2009, 11:00 PM

I haven't seen anything from the original series, nor the Zombie remake. But I thought some of the images in the trailer looked pretty nifty.

Spun Lepton

08-25-2009, 11:42 PM

I haven't seen anything from the original series, nor the Zombie remake. But I thought some of the images in the trailer looked pretty nifty.

See the first one, at least, Sycophant. It's a lovely exercise in tension and suspense.

number8

08-25-2009, 11:50 PM

By the by, no comment on the leaked trailer?

Here, this is actually pretty interesting:

http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/movie-news/5764-rob-zombie-glad-for-qhalloween-iiq-trailer-leak.html

Spun Lepton

08-25-2009, 11:53 PM

By the by, no comment on the leaked trailer?

Didn't change my attitude toward the movie. (*shrug*)

Sycophant

08-25-2009, 11:53 PM

I've been meaning to see more John Carpenter in general. I'll prioritize Halloween.

Scar

08-25-2009, 11:54 PM

By the by, no comment on the leaked trailer?

Me likey....

megladon8

08-25-2009, 11:59 PM

I kinda can't wait for this now.

Dead & Messed Up

08-26-2009, 12:06 AM

Hey, it shows more Brad Dourif, and I always support that.

number8

08-26-2009, 12:09 AM

Hey, it shows more Brad Dourif, and I always support that.

My sentiment exactly.

Skitch

08-26-2009, 12:25 AM

I'll pass.

Ezee E

08-26-2009, 12:59 AM

More Dourif sure, but it still looks like the slasher that Zombie was hating on.

MadMan

08-26-2009, 04:39 PM

I think it still looks good, and maybe even a bit on the freaky side, actually. But the trailer simply re-enforced me going to see it in theaters, anyways.

The Mike

08-29-2009, 05:20 AM

This movie is quite possibly the most difficult thing I've ever sat through. There's no way anyone will ever convince me that actual effort went into the writing and making of this film. It was a fucking disgraceful cash grab that only proves further that Zombie has no interest in making a horror movie that has any respect for the material he's adapting, not to mention the viewer.

Honest to god, this is the worst film in the Halloween series. I'd recommend watching fucking Tina Williams bounce around talking about her neon heart in the Fifth flick a thousand times before I would recommend this to anyone.

Spun Lepton

08-29-2009, 05:38 AM

Wow, if The Mike doesn't like it ... that's a pretty bad sign.

:D

Dukefrukem

08-31-2009, 12:28 PM

This is really dissapointing...

number8

08-31-2009, 08:20 PM

Halloween 3D is announced. Zombie's not directing.

jenniferofthejungle

08-31-2009, 08:39 PM

Wow, if The Mike doesn't like it ... that's a pretty bad sign.

:D

I love The Mike. :D

origami_mustache

09-01-2009, 02:21 AM

Zombie has no interest in making a horror movie that has any respect for the material he's adapting, not to mention the viewer.

Why should he have any respect for the original material or his audience? Obviously this isn't a cash grab if he isn't worried about keeping the viewers happy. I love how he makes Halloween his own. Every character in his movies are a piece of Zombie, or someone he'd probably hang out with. I mean I suppose I agree the plot is completely useless, but I don't see how that is any different from any other Halloween movie or horror movie for that matter. Rob Zombie's Michael Meyer's is brutal and his Halloween films are oozing with style. H2's cinematography and surreal goth dream imagery are incredible and the sound design in both movies are among the best I've ever heard. I'm in total agreement that his films are flawed and there is usually a lot of bad acting, but compared to the rest of the horror industry, I think Zombie's films are on another level. I guess if you are a fan of the other Halloween films then you might not like Zombie's take on it at all, but I don't happen to be a fan of the originals.

The Mike

09-01-2009, 03:17 AM

Why should he have any respect for the original material or his audience?Are you serious? I mean, the audience point is debatable, but why should he respect the original material? It's NOT a cash grab if he's not worried about keeping the viewers happy?

Zombie's approach to Halloween shows no interest in telling the story of or even understanding Michael Myers, Sam Loomis, Laurie Strode, or anyone else from Carpenter's film, shows no interest in recreating the mood of the original film, and most importantly shows no interest in preserving the theme of the original film. It is not, in any way other than name, a version of Halloween. This wouldn't matter a bit, if the movie was any kind of good, but it's pathetically inept in every way. It wouldn't matter as much if he even understood what Halloween was fucking about, but there's no way that anyone will convince me after these two films that he has a clue in his brain on how to tell a fucking story that's not vicious and inhuman and makes one feel bad that there are humans interested in enjoying this kind of shit.

This isn't fucking Friday the 13th, or My Bloody Valentine, or any of those slasher posers. And the fact that Zombie, who claims to be a horror fan with respect for those that came before him, would turn Halloween into these two films leads me to believe that either a) he has no fucking clue what he's doing; b) is a severely sick human being who either needs mental help or drug treatment; or b) knows it's a way to get his name out there and get money in his pocket, and really doesn't care about anything else despite his fake image.

Bah. Fuck these films.

Spun Lepton

09-01-2009, 03:20 AM

Why should he have any respect for ... his audience?

:| Unless he wants to be called "The Michael Bay of Horror" he should respect his audience enough to deliver something that he thinks is entertaining and worthwhile. Doesn't seem like you think he respected you as an audience member, but you liked it anyway. Ever thought about jumping into the middle of a bukkake circle? Sounds like it might be your kinda thang.

Ezee E

09-01-2009, 04:25 AM

:| Unless he wants to be called "The Michael Bay of Horror" he should respect his audience enough to deliver something that he thinks is entertaining and worthwhile. Doesn't seem like you think he respected you as an audience member, but you liked it anyway. Ever thought about jumping into the middle of a bukkake circle? Sounds like it might be your kinda thang.
Rob Zombie has done four films. All similar in tone and style. I'm pretty sure he's doing what he thinks is entertaining.

number8

09-01-2009, 04:45 AM

I'm rewatching The Devil's Rejects. Masterpiece? Masterpiece.

Rowland

09-01-2009, 05:28 AM

Since the original Halloween is the only entry in that series worth a damn (and it's a stand-alone masterpiece at that, no question), why should Zombie worry about fidelity to the original movies? If a remake has to exist, I'd rather see it filtered through a new vision, rather than mere mimicry. The original film already exists, so whatever, let Zombie get his freak on.

Dead & Messed Up

09-01-2009, 05:30 AM

Zombie's approach to Halloween shows no interest in telling the story of or even understanding Michael Myers, Sam Loomis, Laurie Strode, or anyone else from Carpenter's film, shows no interest in recreating the mood of the original film, and most importantly shows no interest in preserving the theme of the original film. It is not, in any way other than name, a version of Halloween.

Well, this doesn't matter a bit, if--

It wouldn't matter as much if he even understood what Halloween was fucking about, but there's no way that anyone will convince me after these two films that he has a clue in his brain on how to tell a fucking story that's not vicious and inhuman and makes one feel bad that there are humans interested in enjoying this kind of shit.

Well, he certainly enjoys it, and the first rule of storytelling is to entertain yourself.

Let's hope he's having a ball.

:)

This isn't fucking Friday the 13th, or My Bloody Valentine, or any of those slasher posers. And the fact that Zombie, who claims to be a horror fan with respect for those that came before him, would turn Halloween into these two films leads me to believe that either a) he has no fucking clue what he's doing; b) is a severely sick human being who either needs mental help or drug treatment; or b) knows it's a way to get his name out there and get money in his pocket, and really doesn't care about anything else despite his fake image.

Honestly, I'd go for option (d) people gave him a shitload of money to rejuvenate a franchise however he wanted, so he indulged his own interests under the banner of Halloween.

Besides, Mike, lighten up. You do have the power to ignore these things. Last time I checked, the original is just as good as ever.

origami_mustache

09-01-2009, 06:28 AM

Zombie's approach to Halloween shows no interest in telling the story of or even understanding Michael Myers, Sam Loomis, Laurie Strode, or anyone else from Carpenter's film, shows no interest in recreating the mood of the original film, and most importantly shows no interest in preserving the theme of the original film. It is not, in any way other than name, a version of Halloween. This wouldn't matter a bit, if the movie was any kind of good, but it's pathetically inept in every way. It wouldn't matter as much if he even understood what Halloween was fucking about, but there's no way that anyone will convince me after these two films that he has a clue in his brain on how to tell a fucking story that's not vicious and inhuman and makes one feel bad that there are humans interested in enjoying this kind of shit.

.

It's "Rob Zombie's" Halloween...The more different from the original, the better in my opinion, otherwise what is the point in making a reimagining/remake, whatever you want to call it. God forbid, someone be creative or different (for better of for worse) with a mainstream franchise. He doesn't have to have any sort of understanding of these characters, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

:| Unless he wants to be called "The Michael Bay of Horror" he should respect his audience enough to deliver something that he thinks is entertaining and worthwhile. Doesn't seem like you think he respected you as an audience member, but you liked it anyway. Ever thought about jumping into the middle of a bukkake circle? Sounds like it might be your kinda thang.

I think he respected me and anyone else who enjoyed it. Perhaps he wasn't respecting the fanboys who get their panties in a bunch when their favorite franchises are tampered with.

Spun Lepton

09-01-2009, 07:30 AM

I think he respected me and anyone else who enjoyed it. Perhaps he wasn't respecting the fanboys who get their panties in a bunch when their favorite franchises are tampered with.

I'm more of a Thing man, myself.

/not a double-entendre, shut up

Dukefrukem

09-01-2009, 12:42 PM

Halloween 3D is announced. Zombie's not directing.

Rumor has it they're talkin to STEVE MINER.

number8

09-01-2009, 08:51 PM

If you don't mind me pimping...

In which I try to rip Rob Zombie a new one gently. (http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/movie-news/5798-the-qhalloweenq-trap-looking-for-that-old-zombie.html)

D_Davis

09-01-2009, 09:38 PM

Usually, when I see the phrase "doesn't respect the audience/source material," used on-line, I take it to mean "doesn't please the fanboys."

MadMan

09-02-2009, 03:25 AM

So tonight I finally saw this, and I have to say that its a rather mixed bag. There are some strong elements (the psychological driven dreams, the awesome ending, the fact that it is indeed disturbing). But at the same time, I don't care for the fact that they turned Loomis into an asshole, and the kills felt way too overdone. Which may be part of my problem with modern horror, which often goes overboard in its display of violence. I also found this sequel to be rather pointless, where as the remake actually had a theme and followed it well.

However, Zombie certainly has some talent and does know what he is doing. I'm still interested in seeing the rest of the movies he's made.

Bosco B Thug

09-08-2009, 07:05 PM

and the kills felt way too overdone. Which may be part of my problem with modern horror, which often goes overboard in its display of violence. Agreed. This movie takes too much liberties with brutal violence for brutal violence's sake, and the film feels dumber for it.

Yuck, some of those kills...

his Halloween films are oozing with style. H2's cinematography and surreal goth dream imagery are incredible and the sound design in both movies are among the best I've ever heard. But also agreed with this. There are definitely some virtuoso moments here.

His directing can be very artful. Makes me think I should re-visit his filmography...

This isn't bad. I might even say I like it. Not terribly smart and probably well into "Dumb" territory, and not consistent enough with its stabs (pun not intended, but this has to be the stabbiest movie I've ever seen) at formalism (but they are there, and I admired them greatly), but it's effective and well-made.

The film's main story involving Laurie is interesting and perceptive (Myers' random killing less so), Zombie's melodrama works well off the first film's, and there is thematic territory tread about the unshakeable shame of "white-trash" upbringing and simultaneous resignation to its pleasures and "prestige" (plus some extra stuff regarding morbid American culture and media exploitation - I personally enjoyed the film's what-the-hell revisionism with Loomis).

The fantasy sequences were hit and miss, but at times it seemed like Zombie totally attempting to bring honest-to-god avant-garde-style video art to the big screen.

Dukefrukem

11-06-2014, 12:48 AM

There, the Halloween franchise is complete. And this might be the worst installment of them all. Should be called: Halloween II: Michael Myers with a Beard- Just completely uninspired. Everything from the White Horse to the smirk ending. Not sure if Zombie just didn't have any passion for this project (since he was contractually obligated) but this really is an original story that falls flat. Why would Micheal, go to a party where his sister was, kill one of her friends, only to leave the party, return to the house where she's staying, kill the cop and her friend, and then wait for her to return to the house? And why oh why was this 2 hours long?????

megladon8

11-07-2014, 05:33 PM

Not sure "uninspired" really applies, regardless of whether you like the film or not.

It's far and away the most original Myers story in the franchise since Carpenter's original. That Zombie tried to do something original and different with the story and character of Myers is commendable.

Skitch

11-07-2014, 07:38 PM

Yeah I think Season of the Witch and H2 are the best of the series.

Dead & Messed Up

11-07-2014, 08:00 PM

Yeah I think Season of the Witch and H2 are the best of the series.

Match Cut.

Henry Gale

11-07-2014, 08:01 PM

I never saw either of Zombie's Myers films, but always seemed to hear promising things about the Director's Cut of this second one.

Anyone have a recommendation for which is preferable with the first film? I know they have drastically different endings, and I'm not sure I want to watch more than one version of either of these.