Match Cut Directors Consensus - John McTiernan

[dreamdead]

Welcome to week 11 of the directors consensus, where we show some love or hate to John McTiernan. Rules and such are here (http://match-cut.org/showpost.php?p=122142&postcount=1), but basically assign 1-10 (including half points if you desire) to his filmography, starting with his earliest to most recent films.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/mctiernan.jpg

[dreamdead]

Predator -- 6 (good and cheesy, with just enough technical artistry to keep things from becoming stale)
Die Hard -- 8.5 (the standard for action films)
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 5 (ehhhhhhhhh)

I've seen Last Action Hero, but memory holds little remembrance.

[Boner M]

Predator - 7
Die Hard - 8.5
Last Action Hero - 7
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 7

[Kurosawa Fan]

Predator - 6.0
Die Hard - 8.5
The Hunt for Red October - 7.0
Medicine Man - 4.5
Last Action Hero - 6.0
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 6.5
The 13th Warrior - 2.5
The Thomas Crown Affair - 6.0
Rollerball - 1.0

Why have I seen all but one of this man's films, when only one has wowed me? What does that say about me as a moviegoer? I'm pretty sure it's not flattering, whatever it says. Good thing I've nearly completed his oeuvre but haven't seen a thing by Rohmer. :|

EDIT: Crap, forgot about Medicine Man

[Sven]

Predator - 7
Die Hard - 6
Hunt for Red October - 3
Medicine Man - 3
Last Action Hero - 7
Die Hard WAV - 7
Rollerball - 1
Basic - 4

[Yxklyx]

Die Hard - 8
The Hunt for Red October - 8

[Ezee E]

Predator - 8.5
Die Hard - 8
Hunt for Red October - 6
Medicine Man - 4
Last Action Hero - 1
Die Hard: With A Vengeance - 9
Thomas Crown Affair - 6

I'm going with K-Fan on this as far as why have I seen so much of this guy's stuff?

[B-side]

Predator- 6

[D_Davis]

Predator - 8
Die Hard - 10
Die Hard WAV - 5

[The Mike]

Predator - 10
Die Hard - 10
The Hunt for Red October - 9
Last Action Hero - 8.5
Die Hard With a Vengeance - 9
The Thomas Crown Affair - 8
Basic - 8

Been too long since I've seen Medicine Man. Luckily, I have it, Nomads, and 13th Warrior here, so maybe I'll give them a roll this week.

[Pop Trash]

Predator -9
Die Hard -10
The Hunt for Red October -6
Last Action Hero -7 (this really isn't as bad as people make it out to be)
Die Hard: With a Vengence -7

[Raiders]

Predator (1987) 6.0
Die Hard (1988) 7.5
The Hunt for Red October (1990) 6.5
Last Action Hero (1993) 4.0
Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995) 6.5
The 13th Warrior (1999) 7.5
Basic (2003) 3.0

[Spaceman Spiff]

Predator - 6.0
Die Hard - 7.5

Er... can't remember the rest of the trilogy that well.

[Spinal]

Die Hard - 7

[Pop Trash]

I just thought of something...Rollerball was the Speed Racer of 2002. :eek:

[Stay Puft]

Predator - 10
Die Hard - 8
Die Hard: With a Vengeance - 6.5

[Sven]

I just thought of something...Rollerball was the Speed Racer of 2002. :eek:

I commend your effort.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Predator - 9
Die Hard - 8
Die Hard With a Vengeance - 7
The 13th Warrior - 8

Huh. I kinda like the guy.

[MadMan]

Predator(1987)-9.5
Die Hard(1988)-10.0
The Hunt For Red October(1990)-9.0
Last Action Hero(1993)-7.0
Die Hard With a Vengeance(1995)-8.5
The Thomas Crown Affair(1999)-8.0

He's one of my favorite action directors, but the only other ones of his I would consider seeing are Nomads and Basic.

[Rowland]

Predator - 9
Die Hard - 8
The Hunt for Red October - 8
Last Action Hero - 7
Die Hard With a Vengeance - 7

[soitgoes...]

Predator (1987) - 4.5
Die Hard (1988) - 7.5
The Hunt for Red October (1990) - 7.5
Medicine Man (1992) - 5.0
Last Action Hero (1993) - 2.5
Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995) - 4.5
The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) - 4.0
Rollerball (2002) - 1.0
Basic (2003) - 4.5

[soitgoes...]

Rollerball is now set up to be the worst rated movie in Match-cut history. Someone finish 'er off!

[Rowland]

Where's Slant's Ed Gonzalez when you need him? I think he was the only critic to give Rollerball a positive score.

[Raiders]

Where's Slant's Ed Gonzalez when you need him? I think he was the only critic to give Rollerball a positive score.

It was a very backhanded "positive" at that, too.

[Bosco B Thug]

DH is awesome and all, but I think I'm gonna go hard on it here... it's freakin' Godard's fault.

Die Hard - 6.5
Die Hard With a Vengeance - 5.5

[Morris Schæffer]

Predator - 8.5
Die Hard - 10
The Hunt for Red October - 9.0
Last Action Hero - 4.5
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 8.0
The 13th Warrior - 2.0
The Thomas Crown Affair - 7.0

[eternity]

Predator- 6
Die Hard- 6
The Hunt for Red October- 5
Last Action Hero- 10
Die Hard With a Vengeance- 4
The Thomas Crown Affair- 7.5
Rollerball- 1

[EvilShoe]

Predator - 9
Die Hard - 10
The Hunt for Red October - 7
Medicine Man - 3
Last Action Hero - 7
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 8
The 13th Warrior - 4
The Thomas Crown Affair - 6.5
Rollerball - 1
Basic - 2.5

[Raiders]

I guess I'm alone in thinking The 13th Warrior is likely his most elegantly made movie?

:P

[Dead & Messed Up]

I guess I'm alone in thinking The 13th Warrior is likely his most elegantly made movie?

:P

I'd agree with this. I'm a big fan of the flick, and it has a little more panache than his regular meat-and-potatoes approach.

[Grouchy]

Predator - 10
Die Hard - 10
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 7

[thefourthwall]

Predator* has two state governers in it. :eek:
Die Hard - 9.5
The Hunt for Red October - 9
Medicine Man - 8
Last Action Hero - 6.5
Die Hard with a Vengeance - 8
The Thomas Crown Affair - 7

My first viewing experience with Predator was when I was 15 and baby-sitting. I wasn't allowed to watch R movies without my parents permission until I was 17, but the parents told me their kids could watch anything in the house (which included 9 1/2 weeks!). When the 7 and 9 year olds decided they wanted to watch Predator, I didn't feel like I could tell them that my parents didn't allow me to watch those movies. So, whenever I think about the film, I'm filled with a deep sense of guilt, and thus doubt that I can rate it objectively.

[Sxottlan]

For my money, McTiernan's work in the late 80's just couldn't be beat.

Predator: 10
Die Hard: 10
The Hunt for Red October: 9
The Last Action Hero: 5 (probably could actually stand to watch this again)
Die Hard with a Vengeance: 6

[Ivan Drago]

Rollerball is now set up to be the worst rated movie in Match-cut history. Someone finish 'er off!

Will do.

Predator 6
Rollerball 1 (ZERO if I could)


I just thought of something...Rollerball was the Speed Racer of 2002. :eek:

Err...how? At least Speed Racer was decent.

[Ezee E]

Heh, kind of want to see this Rollerball now.

[eternity]

Heh, kind of want to see this Rollerball now.

Keith Olbermann was even talking shit about it on his show yesterday. It's really quite unbelievable.

[soitgoes...]

Heh, kind of want to see this Rollerball now.
Don't. There's a difference between campy bad and just plain bad. This one falls under the latter category.

[Sycophant]

Err...how? At least Speed Racer was decent.

You have apparently forgotten every word and idea in Pop Trash's first 400 posts.

Also, I haven't seen one goddamned film from this guy. Apparently, when I talk about missing out on iconic American action cinema in the eighties, I'm just saying I haven't seen any McTiernan films.

[MadMan]

You have apparently forgotten every word and idea in Pop Trash's first 400 posts.

Also, I haven't seen one goddamned film from this guy. Apparently, when I talk about missing out on iconic American action cinema in the eighties, I'm just saying I haven't seen any McTiernan films.Watch Predator first. I have this strange feeling that you will really dig it. Or absolutely hate it. Regardless, watch it.

[Sycophant]

I think I'll be checking out the Die Hard films first. Plans to marathon them with my friends have been in the works for over a year.

[Pop Trash]

Err...how? At least Speed Racer was decent.
I was semi-kidding. I was just looking for an excuse to trash on Speed Racer by comparing it to Rollerball. I actually haven't seen Rollerball nor do I ever intend to.

[Sycophant]

You have apparently forgotten every word and idea in Pop Trash's first 500 posts and every 5 posts thereafter.

Fixed.

[Rowland]

I love Predator so goddamn much. Sure, I watched it once a month from the ages 7-10, and at least once a year until I was about 20, so I'm a bit biased... but seriously, it kicks so much ass.

Predator 2 is underrated as well. And fuck AVP.

[Dead & Messed Up]

I love Predator so goddamn much. Sure, I watched it once a month from the ages 7-10, and at least once a year until I was about 20, so I'm a bit biased... but seriously, it kicks so much ass.

Predator 2 is underrated as well. And fuck AVP.


Had me at the beginning, lost me at Predator 2, then swooped in for the win at the end.

[MadMan]

I think I'll be checking out the Die Hard films first. Plans to marathon them with my friends have been in the works for over a year.Nice. I love of all them, even the second one, which I feel is the weakest of the bunch. My favorite is the first, but I have a strong soft spot for the third film.

And Rowland I really dug Predator 2 as well. You really can't go wrong with Danny Glover v. the Pred and Gary Busey being, well, Gary Busey.

[Grouchy]

And Rowland I really dug Predator 2 as well. You really can't go wrong with Danny Glover v. the Pred and Gary Busey being, well, Gary Busey.
And Rubén Blades!

I also like Predator 2 a lot.

[dreamdead]

Die Hard - 8.4583 (24)
Predator - 7.7727 (22)
The Hunt for Red October - 7.2667 (15)
Die Hard With a Vengeance - 6.7619 (21)
The Thomas Crown Affair - 6.6667 (9)
Last Action Hero - 6 (15)
The 13th Warrior - 4.8 (5)
Medicine Man - 4.5833 (6)
Basic - 4.4 (5)
Rollerball - 1 (6)
Average = 5.771

Completists: Evilshoe
Biggest Fan: The Mike
Biggest Haters: Sven and soitgoes...

[Kurosawa Fan]

Rollerball is officially the worst film Match Cut has ever seen!

:pritch:

[Pop Trash]

Rollerball is officially the worst film Match Cut has ever seen!

:pritch:
Anybody have a top ten of these?

[MadMan]

And Rubén Blades!

I also like Predator 2 a lot.Yeah, I forgot all about him. He's awesome. Loved him in OUATIM.