The Incredible Hulk [Archive]

megladon8

11-17-2007, 05:26 AM

*excited*

Indeed.

I'm one of the few who not only liked the first Hulk, but thought it was one of the best of the recent explosion of superhero movies.

I hope they don't mess this one up. Letterrier may be able to film a good action sequence, but I have yet to be impressed by any of his movies as a whole - though Unleashed had its moments.

I don't want this to turn into a mindless HULK SMASH movie with a cookie-cutter plot.

Winston*

11-17-2007, 05:29 AM

I predict I will like this movie more than the first one.

number8

11-17-2007, 05:31 AM

Lame.

(The poster, not the movie...)

megladon8

11-17-2007, 05:32 AM

I predict I will like this movie more than the first one.

I could totally see you sitting hunched over a crystal ball with a purple, jewel-encrusted turbon, conjuring up that repsonse :)

megladon8

11-17-2007, 05:33 AM

Lame.

(The poster, not the movie...)

Do you mean the actual look of the Hulk, or just the general design of the poster?

If it's the latter, then yeh, I agree.

And I'm glad they didn't go with the long-haired Hulk. I heard there was speculation they might, and that's just about as bad as the long-haired Superman.

MadMan

11-17-2007, 05:57 AM

I could totally see you sitting hunched over a crystal ball with a purple, jewel-encrusted turbon, conjuring up that repsonse :)So that means Winston is Johnny Carson? I wonder if he holds letters up to his head before making a prediction. :P

number8

11-17-2007, 06:04 AM

Do you mean the actual look of the Hulk, or just the general design of the poster?

If it's the latter, then yeh, I agree.

And I'm glad they didn't go with the long-haired Hulk. I heard there was speculation they might, and that's just about as bad as the long-haired Superman.

The poster tells me nothing other than it's the Hulk, which is a DUH. Plus it's a damn drawing instead of the real thing. Might as well be a poster for the next Hulk crossover comic.

And it is long haired Hulk. Not mullet-long like the one Supes had, but they showed the CG model at Comic Con and he had hair covering his eyes. It's long compared to the army hair Ang Lee's had.

D_Davis

11-17-2007, 04:39 PM

Rowland

11-17-2007, 06:21 PM

be just another throw away super hero film like the Fantastic Four and Electra.At least this one has a comparatively talented filmmaker directing it, so if it's just a pure popcorn movie, it should be a well-crafted one.

Morris Schæffer

11-18-2007, 08:46 AM

At least this one has a comparatively talented filmmaker directing it, so if it's just a pure popcorn movie, it should be a well-crafted one.

I can't speak of Tim Story, but I'll take Reign of Fire and The X-Files: Fight the Future over anything Letterier has done.

lovejuice

11-21-2007, 01:05 AM

I predict that this film will possess none of the qualities that enjoyed so much about Ang Lee's film, and will, in fact, be just another throw away super hero film like the Fantastic Four and Electra.

i've never known you like the first one so much. from what i remember, aren't you an anti-super hero sort of guy? what make lee's film better than others?

Grouchy

11-21-2007, 03:30 AM

The first one is amazing, but I predict they'll try their best to go with a completely different approach with the second one.

Eh, I have faith in it, with the guy behind the Transporter movies and Danny the Dog directing. I'm a lot more thrilled with Iron Man, of course.

megladon8

11-22-2007, 05:04 AM

Anyone have any information about when we'll see a trailer?

D_Davis

11-22-2007, 05:12 AM

i've never known you like the first one so much. from what i remember, aren't you an anti-super hero sort of guy? what make lee's film better than others?

Yeah - I am not a fan of movies based off of the majority of American super heroes.

For me, the Lee's Hulk worked because of the pacing, the tone, and the atmosphere. Lee really nailed the look and feel of a comic book, while still making an Ang Lee film. It's melodramatic at times, goofy at others, bombastic when it needed to be, and subtle when the moment calls for it. I love how the momentum and the tension builds to a boil, and then the action kicks in and it becomes a relentless chase sequence. Each moment flows from one sequence to the next, and through the clever editing which mimics the page layouts of a comic book, I feel as though Lee actually had a vision, and executed everything in his film to meet this vision. All too often, I find super hero films to be nothing by fan service, but Lee's film felt like an Ang Lee film, not a generic super hero film.

megladon8

11-22-2007, 05:13 AM

D_Davis

11-22-2007, 05:20 AM

D, would you say that you all-out dislike the entirety of American supeheroes, or you've just gotten tired of the characters and the way the stories are told?

I know once you said you felt you had "outgrown" the superhero genre. I am just wondering if the entire concept of superheroes doesn't appeal to you anymore, or you're just sick of the same pold conventions used over and over?

If it's the latter, I have some books I'd love to recommend if you're interested :)

I am tired of the same old heroes. I am sick to death of the old Marvel and DC characters. Let them die already. Retire the old, and bring in some new. But they can't die, and when they do, a year later, they decide it was some alternate universe or the some god comes and brings everything back.

Super heroes can still be awesome. The Matrix is a super hero film, and it totally rules.

I've out grown the standard Marvel and DC heroes because I think they are boring and tired, but I am always up for a fresh story in which a super hero fights a super evil. Most of the kung fu films I love are "super hero" films.

megladon8

11-22-2007, 05:27 AM

I am tired of the same old heroes. I am sick to death of the old Marvel and DC characters. Let them die already. Retire the old, and bring in some new. But they can't die, and when they do, a year later, they decide it was some alternate universe or the some god comes and brings everything back.

Super heroes can still be awesome. The Matrix is a super hero film, and it totally rules.

I've out grown the standard Marvel and DC heroes because I think they are boring and tired, but I am always up for a fresh story in which a super hero fights a super evil. Most of the kung fu films I love are "super hero" films.

Cool.

I am glad you had the response you did. I don't think it's possible for anyone to really totally outlive the concept of a "superhero"...it's too inspiring and interesting a concept to ever be completely destroyed. I agree about the characters though...I am actually finding that a lot of independent superhero comics and second-tier superheroes are becoming much more interesting than your typical Spider-Man's and Batman's.

I would love for you to read the previous run of Captain Marvel (the Marvel version)...started around 2002 I believe, and ended after like 26 issues.

It's a completely different character from the Mar-Vell character that used to be published. He is Genis, and he is pretty much omnipotent - he knows what is happening in every corner of the universe at all times. It's a really cool story of how powers can actually destroy someone, and for a sci-fi fan, I think it would be just the type of comic you'd like.

D_Davis

11-22-2007, 01:44 PM

I would love for you to read the previous run of Captain Marvel (the Marvel version)...started around 2002 I believe, and ended after like 26 issues.

Is this in a trade?

number8

11-22-2007, 05:18 PM

I would give up my left testicle if Davis doesn't like the current Iron Fist series.

megladon8

11-22-2007, 05:42 PM

Is this in a trade?

Yes, several.

Starts off with a trade called "Nothing to Lose", then goes to "Coven", "Crazy Like a Fox", and finally "Odyssey".

D_Davis

11-22-2007, 07:33 PM

I would give up my left testicle if Davis doesn't like the current Iron Fist series.

It's good, no?

megladon8

12-19-2007, 05:09 AM

I like this image...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/megladon8/theincrediblehulk1.jpg

...it has realistic looking textures, but the design is totally cartoonish. It's a neat combination. I look forward to seeing it in motion.

This poster, however, is a little weird...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/megladon8/incrediblehulk-poster2.jpg

I thought they were trying to distance themselves from the original Hulk?

Sycophant

12-19-2007, 06:35 AM

Goofiest use of the numeral 2 ever?

EvilShoe

12-19-2007, 07:50 AM

There's no way that poster is real.

Ivan Drago

12-19-2007, 05:06 PM

I agree, it's fake. It's gotta be.

KK2.0

12-19-2007, 06:13 PM

That's totally fake, they used a teaser image of the first movie if i'm not mistaken.

The first one looks fake too, i agree with 8 that it could be a poster for the comic, not the movie.

Henry Gale

12-19-2007, 07:59 PM

Wasn't that first pic just a detailed sketch of what they were going for that Letterrier unveiled at Comic-Con or something?

number8

12-19-2007, 08:01 PM

Wasn't that first pic just a detailed sketch of what they were going for that Letterrier unveiled at Comic-Con or something?

It was the pic they unveiled at Comic Con, but it's of the design.

Henry Gale

12-19-2007, 08:05 PM

It was the pic they unveiled at Comic Con, but it's of the design.

Oh ok, it just looked more like a drawing than an actual CG rendering to me.

Saya

12-28-2007, 12:01 PM

The first pics of Norton from the new Hulk movie:

http://i13.tinypic.com/8c0gopy.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/8gjgj7m.jpg

megladon8

12-28-2007, 05:56 PM

Looks good!

Acapelli

01-09-2008, 09:42 PM

I had no idea Tim Roth was playing Abomination and William Hurt was playing General Ross. Less excited about Liv Tyler playing Betsy Ross, but so far this is shaping up to be pretty good.

bac0n

01-09-2008, 10:04 PM

Wow, that picture of Banner in the Gamma Ray Thinger looks right out of the 70s TV show.

Acapelli

01-09-2008, 10:27 PM

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2496/2182newstoryimage973508qg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rowland

01-09-2008, 10:33 PM

Hah... the old television show had more visual atmosphere.

Skitch

01-14-2008, 11:50 AM

Had to watch Lee's Hulk last night...I think it gets better with repeat viewings. I really like it...now.

Grouchy

01-16-2008, 12:18 AM

Hah... the old television show had more visual atmosphere.
Huh, one of those is a screenshot and the other a production still.

KK2.0

01-19-2008, 09:40 PM

Had to watch Lee's Hulk last night...I think it gets better with repeat viewings. I really like it...now.

Not that i hate it now but the film's problems seemed more grating with later views. Still, one of the best superhero movies to me.

And these production stills look nice.

number8

01-20-2008, 09:41 PM

CONFIRMED: Robert Downey Jr's in this, as Iron Man! :eek:

It's not just a walk-in cameo. He has an actual scene with Hurt's General Ross.

Watashi

01-20-2008, 09:45 PM

Don't you mean as Tony Stark? I heard he's not in costume at all in his appearance.

number8

01-20-2008, 09:49 PM

Don't you mean as Tony Stark? I heard he's not in costume at all in his appearance.

I was gonna call semantics, but I suppose it does matter.

I dunno. William Hurt said that it's Iron Man, but it makes more sense if it's Stark. The thing is, this movie comes out a month after Iron Man, so in real time, Stark's already Iron Man.

However, the latest trailer suggests that he stops being a weapons contractor in IM, so I guess he'd have no business dealing with Gen. Ross.... Maybe Hulk takes place before Iron Man.

Grouchy

01-20-2008, 10:07 PM

CONFIRMED: Robert Downey Jr's in this, as Iron Man! :eek:

It's not just a walk-in cameo. He has an actual scene with Hurt's General Ross.
Awesome.

Dukefrukem

01-21-2008, 02:39 PM

CONFIRMED: Robert Downey Jr's in this, as Iron Man! :eek:

It's not just a walk-in cameo. He has an actual scene with Hurt's General Ross.

link?

Ezee E

01-22-2008, 02:52 AM

link?
Surprisingly, he did not post justpressplay.net this time.

Sycophant

01-22-2008, 06:23 AM

Surprisingly, he did not post justpressplay.net this time.But he totally wrote something about it (http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/the-incredible-hulk/news/iron-man-is-in-the-incredible-hulk.html) there.

Dukefrukem

01-22-2008, 12:16 PM

sweet

edit: lol @ related movies in the bottom right

megladon8

01-22-2008, 06:17 PM

So is there like, ever going to be a teaser or a trailer or anything for this movie?

Or is it just going to suddenly appear in theatres?

Henry Gale

01-22-2008, 07:58 PM

So is there like, ever going to be a teaser or a trailer or anything for this movie?

Or is it just going to suddenly appear in theatres?

I know, really. Every time I see this thread bumped I assume that it's because of a link to a teaser thinking "it's about time", but then nothing and then the same thing happens a few days later and so on (and maybe even the same thing until June).

It's possible that with the success of Cloverfield's marketing the studio here is going even more experimental. Not just a trailer without a title, but just a trailer that doesn't... exist! :eek: Fans just go to the theatre when it's (quietly) released, bootleg the movie, bring it home, edit up some teasers themselves and get the word out for the masses to know everyone's favourite angry green guy is back! Genius!

But uh *clears throat* yeah... they'll probably have one out there soon.

Skitch

01-24-2008, 03:52 PM

On the upside, waiting to release a trailer closer to date, means it won't be (hopefully) spoiled or old news...

Henry Gale

02-19-2008, 06:53 PM

The Incredible Hulk Trailer Coming Early March
Source: Superhero Hype!
February 19, 2008

Superhero Hype! reports that we'll be seeing the first trailer for Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk in just a few weeks, while the company is also planning just one in-house release for the latter part of 2009 (unlike two this year - Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk).

Between this and the Indy 4 one, I find it pretty odd how close to the release dates some of these first trailers are coming out recently.

I mean some smaller movies don't start to get noticed by the general public until they start showing ads on TV, but these are supposed to be the big blockbusters the studios want everyone to know about way in advance. A couple of people I know didn't have any idea there was a new Indiana Jones movie coming until I told them they had the trailer out last week. They were even more shocked when I told them it was coming out in a little over 3 months.

megladon8

02-19-2008, 06:55 PM

They sure did take their sweet-ass time.

I may be impatient due to today's trend of releasing a trailer 12+ months ahead of the release, but with the movie coming out in June, it seems weird we'll just be getting our first look at it in March.

Sycophant

02-19-2008, 07:06 PM

This is a curious trend, as press for films like The Dark Knight and Star Trek have massive viral marketing campaigns, constant "leaks" of material and teases of information at every possible turn, one-plus years in advance. Perhaps the studios are curious about how the opposite strategy works out for these big-budget, guaranteed blockbluster pictures. If they can get similar results out of smaller effort, we may see more of this. Maybe it even lends them a sense of urgency? People are much less likely to feel like they've already seen the film if they haven't been bomarded by marketing for nigh on two years.

KK2.0

02-19-2008, 08:18 PM

It's just me guessing wildly, but since Tim Burton's Batman studios build so much hype for these blockbusters that they hardly match those expectations, if they're trying some sort of low-profile marketing campaign, perhaps it's wiser to do so with Hulk since there was a major disappointment with the previous movie.

Ezee E

02-19-2008, 08:34 PM

It is a bit bizarre that we're just seeing some trailers. It seemed like there were previews on TV for I Am Legend a good three months before it came out, and it did huge.

Morris Schæffer

02-27-2008, 05:10 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/images/cover/large/2.jpg

http://www.empireonline.com/images/cover/large/1.jpg

Kurosawa Fan

02-27-2008, 05:13 PM

This is the best part about those pictures:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2980/fuckparishiltonsq6.jpg

dreamdead

02-27-2008, 05:21 PM

Morris Schæffer

02-27-2008, 05:36 PM

This is the best part about those pictures:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2980/fuckparishiltonsq6.jpg

Aw, you gotta admit William Hurt looks astoundingly fierce.:lol:

number8

02-27-2008, 05:42 PM

The more I see of this film, the more bored I get by it. It's too pointless to tell the origin story again, even if they gloss it. Will this film even attempt at anything beyond conventionality and stuff blowin' up real good?

It doesn't seem like it, from the script draft I read. But Leterrier said it's gone through many rewrites since that draft, so we'll see.

Grouchy

02-27-2008, 11:11 PM

Wait - does it tell the origin story again?

If so, it sucks. What's the script draft you read like?

Skitch

02-28-2008, 01:18 PM

Amazing how small Norton's arms look...compared to how enormous he was in AHX.

Skitch

02-28-2008, 01:18 PM

Wait - does it tell the origin story again?

If so, it sucks.

Yeah, that's reasonable. :|

KK2.0

02-28-2008, 04:31 PM

the most curious aspect of this movie to me, is that they filmed scenes at a slum near my parent's home in Rio de Janeiro. =P

Grouchy

02-28-2008, 06:02 PM

Yeah, that's reasonable. :|
Well, no need to remake a great movie that's not even 5 years old yet.

lovejuice

02-28-2008, 06:10 PM

count me in as another who's not so enthralled by lee's vision, but damn! that movie deserves more respect.

number8

02-29-2008, 06:04 PM

Wait - does it tell the origin story again?

If so, it sucks. What's the script draft you read like?

No, the draft I read started with Banner in South America and he's been hiding for the past 5 years, trying to concoct a cure. But Tim Roth's special forces character finds out where he is and attacks so he has to run and sneak back to the US, to the lab where The Hulk was born. It doesn't retell the origin. We find out about it through Banner retracing what happened to him.

Grouchy

03-01-2008, 05:31 AM

No, the draft I read started with Banner in South America and he's been hiding for the past 5 years, trying to concoct a cure. But Tim Roth's special forces character finds out where he is and attacks so he has to run and sneak back to the US, to the lab where The Hulk was born. It doesn't retell the origin. We find out about it through Banner retracing what happened to him.
Good.

megladon8

03-01-2008, 11:14 PM

They keep insisting that it's not a sequel...but if it begins in South America, with Banner having been there for the past 5 years...um...does anyone else see the problem here?

number8

03-10-2008, 06:42 PM

Trailer premieres on cable this Wednesday.

Here (http://www.justpressplay.net/viewarticle/a-little-peek-at-the-hulk-trailer/)'s a commercial for it. Looks pretty cool, actually.

megladon8

03-10-2008, 09:20 PM

:lol:

I love how we now have commercials for commercials.

Grouchy

03-11-2008, 12:36 AM

:lol:

I love how we now have commercials for commercials.
Hahah yeah, I thought the same thing.

megladon8

03-11-2008, 11:24 PM

I still want to know how they intend it to be clear to the audience that it's not a sequel, when it begins in the same area the last film ended, and says "5 years later", when it's actually 5 years since the last film.

Do they just mean that it's not tonally similar to the first film?

Because my understanding was that this was a reinterpretation of the franchise.

number8

03-12-2008, 01:43 AM

Fuck the audience.

megladon8

03-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Something I've been wondering about for a while now is the SFX used on Hulk in this movie.

I remember back in '03 with Lee's film, the effects used were a HUGE deal. There were TV specials, news items, and the like all detailing how the effects used were so groundbreaking, because they were trying to make the Hulk look real.

But I've heard absolutely nothing along these lines with the new film.

Is it just that technology has advanced enough over the past 5 years that they can make him look real without it being a big deal anymore?

Or is it not going to be as "advanced" as the original movie?

Because, while there were scenes in Lee's film where he didn't quite fit in (lighting wasn't working, movement was stilted) there are also scenes that looked fantastic. Hulk's skin interacted with water and dust wonderfully, and at times it really did look real.

Rowland

03-12-2008, 06:43 PM

Is it just that technology has advanced enough over the past 5 years that they can make him look real without it being a big deal anymore?I think most of that was just marketing. Hulk's effects weren't really anymore impressive than most of what was out at the time. Heck, the Hulk Dogs looked like shit. These days, such effects are so ubiquitous that marketing it as markedly superior would be blatantly disingenuous.

Watashi

03-12-2008, 11:09 PM

Trailer (http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1583143&vid=215625)

Looks cool. Abomination looks kinda underwhelming.

Watashi

03-12-2008, 11:12 PM

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2008/abomination.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2008/hulk.jpg

Wryan

03-12-2008, 11:41 PM

Not bad. I'd see it.

EvilShoe

03-12-2008, 11:48 PM

Didn't care much for it.
Looks fairly standard.

Stay Puft

03-12-2008, 11:56 PM

Someone let me know when there's a link to a website that doesn't hate the rest of the world.

Henry Gale

03-13-2008, 12:24 AM

Someone let me know when there's a link to a website that doesn't hate the rest of the world.

Try clicking the HD link or going to mtv.ca (not sure if they have the same kind of regional restrictions).

megladon8

03-13-2008, 12:57 AM

Someone let me know when there's a link to a website that doesn't hate the rest of the world.

I seriously hate this.

What the hell is the deal with all this "copyright restrictions" shit?

They're really shooting themselves in the foort by only allowing U.S. citizens to see the footage. What, like only Americans watch movies?

Fuck you, America.

number8

03-13-2008, 01:05 AM

Meh.

megladon8

03-13-2008, 01:05 AM

Here's the trailer with Spanish subs and titles. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ueymi43feG8)

That dialogue is freaking horrible.

Ivan Drago

03-13-2008, 01:59 AM

I just saw it on VH1. Doesn't look too bad, but the visual effects are a step down from the first movie.

Wryan

03-13-2008, 02:09 AM

I just saw it on VH1. Doesn't look too bad, but the visual effects are a step down from the first movie.

I thought you said "VHS" for a second there and said, outloud, "How the fuck...?!"

Henry Gale

03-13-2008, 02:11 AM

Again, I'm Canadian but I clicked on the HD link on the US MTV site and it worked fine, a little choppy for my computer but definately watchable. But even to watch it smoother and smaller I just went to the Canadian MTV site.

I thought the trailer was just alright though.

megladon8

03-13-2008, 03:07 AM

megladon8

03-13-2008, 03:16 AM

And judging from that picture - and the grainy version of the trailer which I saw on YouTube - it looks like they really modelled The Hulk's face off of Edward Norton.

I like that.

I think Abomination looks pretty badass. And I'm always for Tim Roth getting more work.

But the dialogue seemed pretty atrocious, and I'm not the biggest Edward Norton fan.

So, we'll see. I'm expecting a pretty generic "things going boom" action movie, which will be a step down from the original movie which was anything but generic.

Henry Gale

03-13-2008, 05:27 AM

I've been all over the Canadian MTV site and can't find the video anywhere.

Can you post a link, please?

I just changed the ".com" in the US link to ".ca" and it showed up in the player's playlist.

But I'm sure there are tons of mirrors up by now.

Morris Schæffer

03-13-2008, 04:30 PM

Looks like sufficient fun, but I guess it does look a tad bland even with that cast. Still, how can it not with Letterier at the helm (shut up Rowland ;)? Then again, Hulk just bores me as a character and I lose the connection when he transforms from Banner into said monster. I don't buy the transformation, that it's one and the same person. I actually think the transformations in the Bixby/Ferrigno TV show were more effective. OKay, so perhaps not exactly true to the source, but dramatically a bit more credible. Close up of Banner's green-ified pupils, that agonizing high-piercing sound and clothes being torn apart.

KK2.0

03-13-2008, 09:23 PM

i'm in Brazil and the link worked fine, maybe those with problems need to update plugins and/or browser...

Dunno if it's Letterier's fault but it looks more low-budget than Lee's Hulk. the CGI monsters were ok, but Norton falling from the Helicopter looked so fake. Anyway, i still enjoyed the trailer enough to look foward to it.

megladon8

04-01-2008, 06:28 PM

Norton is being a douchebag once again.

There are problems in the editing room, and there have already been 5 different takes of the movie.

Upon being told that he would no longer be involved in editing the "final" cut, Norton has threatened to remove himself completely from all publicity for the film.

Watashi

04-01-2008, 06:56 PM

megladon8

04-01-2008, 07:00 PM

How does that make him a douche? He's only doing on what he signed on to do. If I had final cut on something and studios were tampering my film, I'd threaten to leave too.

This film will probably suck due to studio interference, but I'm glad Norton is not backing down.

But when did he get "final cut" on the film?

I understood it as him getting input in the editing process...not him becoming the editor.

Watashi

04-01-2008, 07:03 PM

But when did he get "final cut" on the film?

I understood it as him getting input in the editing process...not him becoming the editor.
Most A-list actors have final cut on a film, especially considering Norton is both writing and producing the film. The editor doesn't have any say in what the final cut is.

Sycophant

04-01-2008, 07:05 PM

Editors = powerless.

megladon8

04-01-2008, 07:06 PM

Most A-list actors have final cut on a film, especially considering Norton is both writing and producing the film. The editor doesn't have any say in what the final cut is.

But again, wasn't his whole acquisition of all these parts of the creative process a result of his douchebaggery?

Maybe I've just been misinformed all these years, but I always thought Norton was supposed to be quite a control freak and incredibly hard to work or even associate with.

Sycophant

04-01-2008, 07:07 PM

I hope there's a difference between douchebag and control freak.

megladon8

04-01-2008, 07:09 PM

I hope there's a difference between douchebag and control freak.

Of course there is.

But there are different levels of control freak.

Kubrick was a control freak.

But Norton's a whiney control freak.

number8

04-01-2008, 10:56 PM

I believe that was always his terms when he agreed to do the film, that he would write and produce the film and it'd be in his vision. Honestly, he even pretty much directed the movie on set. Leterrier's just a muscle-for-hire on this film.

Rowland

04-01-2008, 11:58 PM

EvilShoe

04-02-2008, 12:12 AM

Of all the projects Norton could've controlled, he picked this.
Odd.

dreamdead

04-10-2008, 06:29 PM

New York Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/movies/10hulk.html?_r=1&ref=movies&oref=slogin) studying the process of bringing Hulk back. Kinda interesting; especially Lee's comments...

DavidSeven

04-10-2008, 08:15 PM

LOS ANGELES — Bad buzz. Creative infighting. Superhero gridlock at the multiplex. For Marvel Studios, handling gamma rays is starting to look like a cakewalk compared to turning “The Incredible Hulk” into a movie franchise.

There's a couple words that seem to follow Norton around a lot.

EvilShoe

04-10-2008, 09:00 PM

There's a couple words that seem to follow Norton around a lot.
Gamma rays?

DavidSeven

04-10-2008, 09:12 PM

Gamma rays?

We were actually looking for handling and turning. Handling. And. Turning.

EvilShoe

04-10-2008, 09:23 PM

We were actually looking for handling and turning. Handling. And. Turning.
Damn. :frustrated:
I used to be good at these games.

Watashi

04-14-2008, 09:33 PM

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/866/866368/the-incredible-hulk-20080414010125119-000.jpg

Yeah.... that's all I'm going to say about that.

This film will be terrible.

Watashi

04-14-2008, 09:35 PM

Also, if you look real closely, it says "screenplay by Edward Harrison", which of course is Norton's real name.

You can really tell he wants his name off this project.

Sven

04-14-2008, 09:36 PM

I'm hoping the Roth and Hurt factors make up for the Norton factor. I have little hope, though. Leterrier is not good.

DavidSeven

04-16-2008, 03:32 PM

'The Incredible Hulk': Behind-the-Scenes Drama (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20191802,00.html)

Grouchy

04-16-2008, 05:06 PM

So I'm not alone in being annoyed by Ed Norton?

The guy's a very good actor, but he's under the ilusion that he's also some kind of blockbustin' star that can control his own projects. Only the likes of Steve McQueen and Kirk Douglas can earn my respect at trying to overrun the directors. And that's only because of testosterone power.

Rowland

04-16-2008, 07:39 PM

Why all the jeans, Norton? Bleeech.

megladon8

04-20-2008, 09:00 PM

Saw a slightly different trailer for this last night at Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

It was exactly the same as the first one, but ended with Hulk coming out of the darkness and giving a big growl towards the screen.

It was a good close-up look of Hulk himself. Looks more comic-booky than the one in Lee's film, but maintains the realistic level of detail and tissue/muscle interaction.

I'm a little disappointed that it doesn't look like Norton at all - I thought it was a really cool effect when they made Hulk look a bit like Bana in the last film.

Watashi

04-20-2008, 09:57 PM

After reading a ton of info at the panel at the NYCC, my faith in this project has somewhat restored. It looks like Norton is happy with the final cut and the footage shown looks quite nice. Plus the Tony Stark scene sounds completely kickass.

Watashi

04-20-2008, 09:59 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/images/cover/large/10.jpg

rocus

04-21-2008, 07:23 PM

I understand that I'm not breaking new ground here, but I've never heard a good answer from Hulk fans: where do you get 5 foot tall jeans?

number8

04-21-2008, 09:57 PM

I understand that I'm not breaking new ground here, but I've never heard a good answer from Hulk fans: where do you get 5 foot tall jeans?

Stan Lee sells wholesale.

Watashi

04-21-2008, 10:08 PM

Stan Lee sells wholesale.
Hey Ary, why haven't you updated JPP recently? I usually read your stuff on a daily basis.

number8

04-21-2008, 10:10 PM

Hey Ary, why haven't you updated JPP recently? I usually read your stuff on a daily basis.

I just moved to a new place! Been a crazy week. I'm going to hit up my posting quota again starting today, right after I finish typing up my WKW interview.

Watashi

04-21-2008, 10:11 PM

I just moved to a new place! Been a crazy week. I'm going to hit up my posting quota again starting today, right after I finish typing up my WKW interview.
Still in San Fran, I assume?

number8

04-21-2008, 10:17 PM

Still in San Fran, I assume?

Sort of. I moved to this island only a couple of miles off the city's coast:

http://www.inetours.com/images/Snglimgs/Treasure_Island_Aerial.jpg

About 10 minutes bus ride through the bridge to downtown San Francisco.

Ezee E

04-21-2008, 11:42 PM

Sort of. I moved to this island only a couple of miles off the city's coast:

http://www.inetours.com/images/Snglimgs/Treasure_Island_Aerial.jpg

About 10 minutes bus ride through the bridge to downtown San Francisco.
D'oh. Not quite Alcatraz.

megladon8

04-30-2008, 07:29 PM

New trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/theincrediblehulk/large.html).

The dialogue is atrocious.

Sven

05-01-2008, 12:07 AM

Huh. Looks alright, I guess. We'll see.

Watashi

05-01-2008, 01:09 AM

Tim Roth ftw.

lovejuice

05-05-2008, 04:03 PM

New trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/theincrediblehulk/large.html).

The dialogue is atrocious.

what's the deal with the bad guy? does he has some kinda interesting back story?

Sycophant

05-05-2008, 04:04 PM

Saw the trailer in front of Iron Man. The murmur of "Good, 'cause the first one sucked" pained me deeply, especially considering how bland and ugly this one looks by its trailer.

Grouchy

05-05-2008, 08:02 PM

what's the deal with the bad guy? does he has some kinda interesting back story?
That's Abomination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_%28comics%29).

Dukefrukem

05-05-2008, 08:04 PM

That's Abomination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_%28comics%29).

Abomination looks badass in the trailer. I like the way he he looks.

number8

05-05-2008, 08:07 PM

Abomination looks retarded. No, I'm sorry, this entire movie looks retarded to me.

Sycophant

05-05-2008, 08:08 PM

Abomination looks retarded. No, I'm sorry, this entire movie looks retarded to me.This.

Ezee E

05-05-2008, 08:44 PM

Abomination looks retarded. No, I'm sorry, this entire movie looks retarded to me.
Pretty much.

monolith94

05-06-2008, 04:06 AM

What's striking to me is the casting of Edward Norton. Norton doesn't do "angry". He does understated. He does low-key. When he does get upset, he's more whiny than anything. He doesn't have the kind of deep, primal rage that Bana had. And that's kind of key for a Hulk film.

Dead & Messed Up

05-06-2008, 04:15 AM

I've already seen one Hulk movie in my life. I figure one is plenty.

Acapelli

05-06-2008, 06:08 AM

I think it actually looks pretty cool.

lovejuice

05-08-2008, 05:07 AM

That's Abomination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_%28comics%29).

isn't that a bit lame though? hulk vs. a bigger hulk.

Grouchy

05-08-2008, 05:46 AM

isn't that a bit lame though? hulk vs. a bigger hulk.
Yeah, exactly. Well, you gotta write a new comic-book every month. Heh.

Not that it changes anything, but Iron Man just fought a bigger Iron Man in the new movie.

Ezee E

05-08-2008, 12:39 PM

Yeah. Saw this one during Iron Man.

No way I'm seeing this unless it surprises everyone with good reviews.

transmogrifier

05-08-2008, 02:06 PM

That's Abomination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_%28comics%29).

Later, the Abomination is briefly lost in space, [4] but is then retrieved by the U.S. military, and revived by MODOK and General Ross. In this third association with Ross, Abomination is forced to battle the Hulk, but turns against MODOK, who atomizes him.[5] His atomized body reconstitutes itself with the disembodied mind of Tyrannus. This amalgamated being forces Bruce Banner to try to cure this condition, but the procedure goes wrong, leaving Tyrannus in the Abomination body and returning Blonsky to human form.[6] Tyrannus briefly operates as the Abomination and attacks Wonder Man,[7] until Ghaur and Llyra restore Tyrannus to normal. Blonsky again becomes the Abomination, but as a mindless beast, and battles She-Hulk and Spider-Man in New York.[8] He later recovers his mental faculties and is hired to steal toxic waste from the Yucca Flats research center, but is caught off guard and doused in toxic waste by the Hulk.[9]

:crazy:

Exhibit 1 in my "Comic books are silly" case.

lovejuice

05-08-2008, 03:16 PM

Yeah, exactly. Well, you gotta write a new comic-book every month. Heh.

Not that it changes anything, but Iron Man just fought a bigger Iron Man in the new movie.

in my book, robotic suit is already hundred times cooler than biological, green blob of...um... abomination.

number8

05-08-2008, 03:34 PM

Yeah. Saw this one during Iron Man.

No way I'm seeing this unless it surprises everyone with good reviews.

What saddens me is that I predict tons of good reviews just on the merit that it's more in line with what comic book fans expect of a Hulk movie than Ang Lee's film.

What cock.

Ezee E

05-08-2008, 04:56 PM

What saddens me is that I predict tons of good reviews just on the merit that it's more in line with what comic book fans expect of a Hulk movie than Ang Lee's film.

What cock.
I don't know. Those special effects are godawful.

I find it hilarious in the preview though when he's running through a shantytown, and then all of a sudden it's Alaska.

Morris Schæffer

05-08-2008, 05:11 PM

What saddens me is that I predict tons of good reviews just on the merit that it's more in line with what comic book fans expect of a Hulk movie than Ang Lee's film.

What cock.

Speaking of general consumers or critics?

If you meant the latter then I doubt that. And if it is more along the lines of what fans expect, which means that it'll be faithful because the fans should know, then why would you object? Can it not be different from the Lee flick and still good? Although I agree that the circumstances in which this sequel was prepped are a bit dubious and a bit of an insult to Lee's interpretation. Me, I'm not interested. Hulk bores me. Besides, the critics are out of praise because they've wasted it all on Iron Man. ;)

number8

05-08-2008, 05:22 PM

Speaking of general consumers or critics?

If you meant the latter then I doubt that. And if it is more along the lines of what fans expect, which means that it'll be faithful because the fans should know, then why would you object?

That's not what I meant. If you read a number of negative reviews of Lee's film, you'll notice a lot of critics echo fanboy sentiments. They did say things like it's long, boring, no action, Hulk's just smashing tanks, blah blah blah. Reactions from trailers alone, many fans and online blogs are already saying that it's going to be more like what a Hulk movie should be, yadda yadda. Why? Because he slugs it out with Abomination and wreck helicopters and shit? I object because the idea of a more action-oriented Hulk movie automatically being better than Lee's film is bullshit on a bicycle. But I can foresee a number of publications saying "This is what comic book fans want to see. It's the smashing action-packed adrenaline rush Ang Lee's version wasn't."

Morris Schæffer

05-08-2008, 05:32 PM

Sycophant

05-08-2008, 05:33 PM

Most criticisms of Ang Lee's Hulk make me skeptical that it was actually watched.

Watashi

05-08-2008, 05:42 PM

I'm pretty positive Norton likes and respects Lee's Hulk. It was one of the main reasons why he chose to make the film more "mediative" and feature Bana's inner green demons than just HULK smash. The studio fought him, but they ended up agreeing on a final cut that does both correctly. This is obviously a different Hulk that suits Marvel's current universe. Lee's Hulk is a good stand alone exercise but wouldn't work if branched out as an Avengers movie.

Can't people like both Hulks? If it sucks, it will suck, but by reading Norton's involvment, I think it has potential.

Watashi

05-08-2008, 05:43 PM

Most criticisms of Ang Lee's Hulk make me skeptical that it was actually watched.

Well, there is the zombie poodles, that even as a fan, I can't defend properly.

Scar

05-08-2008, 06:24 PM

Well, there is the zombie poodles, that even as a fan, I can't defend properly.

One poodle.

megladon8

05-08-2008, 07:28 PM

I thought the Lee flick had plenty of action scenes to be fair, including the more ridiculous and overblown kind. The "dramatic" scenes had little impact on me, but perhaps I'm just not sold on the idea of a comic book movie oozing genuine drama. A few days ago Wats discussed Iron Man and how a second viewing made him appreciate the drama a lot more. I read that and honestly went "Drama?! What Drama?!!"

Eh...it's a little dismissive to say that a comic book movie can't "ooze genuine drama".

It's fine if they don't work for you - everyone can't like the same things - but there's a reason why Batman Begins, Iron Man and (to some) Hulk are put ahead of the pack. They deliver with both the action, and the drama/emotion.

Morris Schæffer

05-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Eh...it's a little dismissive to say that a comic book movie can't "ooze genuine drama".

It's fine if they don't work for you - everyone can't like the same things - but there's a reason why Batman Begins, Iron Man and (to some) Hulk are put ahead of the pack. They deliver with both the action, and the drama/emotion.

That was sort of implied really. Of course I'm talking from a personal perspective. Perhaps we should define genuine drama as it appears in a comic book movie. Hulk, Iron Man, Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins certainly had their more human moments that worked and I wouldn't call them effects-driven pictures either. Nor are they unripe for discussion, but their universes are still fairly breezy and optimistic. I would say that as far as comic book movies are concerned, Superman screaming "NOOOOO!!!!" when Lois dies in the 1978 original is the epitome of power in a comic book movie, but what could have been an everlasting image is undone by him simply blasting around the globe and reversing time. I'd like to argue that the way Hollywood has approached these properties, the movies you mentioned have perhaps provided about as much drama as these kinds of movies can muster and perhaps that should suffice. And perhaps that's why they've been "put ahead of the pack." There's nothing to compete with the finest of dramatic movies that aren't comicbooky in nature however.

megladon8

05-08-2008, 08:06 PM

That was sort of implied really. Of course I'm talking from a personal perspective. Perhaps we should define genuine drama as it appears in a comic book movie. Hulk, Iron Man, Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins certainly had their more human moments that worked and I wouldn't call them effects-driven pictures either. Nor are they unripe for discussion, but their universes are still fairly breezy and optimistic. I would say that as far as comic book movies are concerned, Superman screaming "NOOOOO!!!!" when Lois dies in the 1978 original is the epitome of power in a comic book movie, but what could have been an everlasting image is undone by him simply blasting around the globe and reversing time. I'd like to argue that the way Hollywood has approached these properties, the movies you mentioned have perhaps provided about as much drama as these kinds of movies can muster and perhaps that should suffice. And perhaps that's why they've been "put ahead of the pack." There's nothing to compete with the finest of dramatic movies that aren't comicbooky in nature however.

I disagree.

Superheroes are today's mythological figures. And there was certainly a great deal of drama in the old Greek myths.

This is why Hulk worked so well. Lee saw this connection between superheroes and mythology and capitalized on it, creating, in his words, "a Greek tragedy".

I think Hulk was one of the most dramatically powerful films of the decade, and that includes all genres.

I don't think superhero films have any inherent knocks against them in terms of reaching genuine dramatic power, or that only "other" movies can reach this point. This, to me, is the same as saying all summer blockbusters are soulless popcorn fare.

Winston*

05-08-2008, 08:09 PM

I disagree.

Superheroes are today's mythological figures.
When people say this. what is it supposed to mean?

megladon8

05-08-2008, 08:11 PM

When people say this. what is it supposed to mean?

Well it means nothing on its own - that's why I wrote lots more, backing it up :P

Morris Schæffer

05-08-2008, 08:36 PM

I disagree.

Superheroes are today's mythological figures. And there was certainly a great deal of drama in the old Greek myths.

This is why Hulk worked so well. Lee saw this connection between superheroes and mythology and capitalized on it, creating, in his words, "a Greek tragedy".

I think Hulk was one of the most dramatically powerful films of the decade, and that includes all genres.

More power to you if you feel that way so perhaps the problem lies with me. I know for a fact you're more of a comic afficionado than I am so that might explain why you were so devastated by Hulk. For me, there's too much discord between the Banner stuff and the action bits where he starts being attacked by mutant dogs and throwing around tanks. Perhaps a Hulk movie can be made that rattles me to my very core and reduces me to an emotional wreck, but I've yet to see it. The human factor was sort of lost when Banner transformed despite really fine FX.

Ezee E

05-08-2008, 11:44 PM

When people say this. what is it supposed to mean?
Instead of Zeus, we got Spider-Man. Makes sense to me.

megladon8

05-08-2008, 11:55 PM

More power to you if you feel that way so perhaps the problem lies with me. I know for a fact you're more of a comic afficionado than I am so that might explain why you were so devastated by Hulk. For me, there's too much discord between the Banner stuff and the action bits where he starts being attacked by mutant dogs and throwing around tanks. Perhaps a Hulk movie can be made that rattles me to my very core and reduces me to an emotional wreck, but I've yet to see it. The human factor was sort of lost when Banner transformed despite really fine FX.

I wouldn't say it rattled me to the core, or that I was "devastated".

I thought it was very, very powerful storytelling.

And I would actually say my "bias" would not be towards its comic book roots - I've actually never been much of a Hulk fan. It was the father/son dynamic that captured me.

I find this familial interaction to be a very strong theme for stories to be based around, and Ang Lee nailed it by recognizing both the inherent similarities between Greek mythology and comic books, and the omnipresent father/son drama in Greek mythology, effectively transporting these stories of betrayal between deities to a more modern setting.

It's a wonderful film, and would have been even without the Marvel license.

Grouchy

05-09-2008, 04:38 AM

More power to you if you feel that way so perhaps the problem lies with me. I know for a fact you're more of a comic afficionado than I am so that might explain why you were so devastated by Hulk. For me, there's too much discord between the Banner stuff and the action bits where he starts being attacked by mutant dogs and throwing around tanks. Perhaps a Hulk movie can be made that rattles me to my very core and reduces me to an emotional wreck, but I've yet to see it. The human factor was sort of lost when Banner transformed despite really fine FX.
You can put "drama" anywhere. If you can have it in a western where John Wayne fires with impossibly good aim and never gets hit, why shouldn't you have it on a superhero movie? The degree of fantasy doesn't change anything. They're both fiction. Drama is not exclusive for documentaries and Dogme '95. I'm not saying you think like that, but I'm trying to show the goofiness latent in your opinion.

Ivan Drago

05-13-2008, 04:59 PM

I like the first Hulk quite a bit. But I'm still trying to figure out why, with this Hulk, Letterier and everyone else is trying to pretend that the first Hulk didn't exist, when it starts right where the first Hulk left off - Bana in hiding.

megladon8

05-13-2008, 05:03 PM

number8

05-13-2008, 10:42 PM

One of the reasons is the attempt to make the Marvel movies connect. In this one the origin retelling is that Banner was trying to recreate the Captain America serum.

Grouchy

05-14-2008, 02:38 AM

One of the reasons is the attempt to make the Marvel movies connect. In this one the origin retelling is that Banner was trying to recreate the Captain America serum.
Yeah, I think it's all part of the Avengers Initiative. Hulk should definitively be a part of the movie.

lovejuice

05-14-2008, 06:29 AM

One of the reasons is the attempt to make the Marvel movies connect. In this one the origin retelling is that Banner was trying to recreate the Captain America serum.
i'll never understand american comics' and their fans' obsession with cross-over.

Scar

05-14-2008, 11:16 AM

i'll never understand american comics' and their fans' obsession with cross-over.

I have a hard time understanding Americans.

Wryan

05-14-2008, 04:07 PM

I have a hard time understanding Americans.

I'm afraid of Americans.

Ezee E

05-14-2008, 04:25 PM

I'm afraid of Americans.
I'm afraid of the world.

Ivan Drago

05-14-2008, 04:30 PM

I'm afraid of Americans.

I'm afraid of David Bowie.

Sycophant

05-14-2008, 04:41 PM

I'm afraid of fear.

megladon8

05-14-2008, 05:27 PM

I'm afraid of fear.

In order to manipulate the fears of others, you must first conquer your own.

Fezzik

05-16-2008, 05:27 PM

i'll never understand american comics' and their fans' obsession with cross-over.

While I will agree on the obsession with crossover, can Hulk/Captain America really be classified as one?

They were both in the original Avengers, and Marvel has stated that they are trying to create a single universe where all the heroes actually exist instead of being in a vacuum in their own little movie.

I think its got potential as an idea, though I think it might be a tad overambitious.

Morris Schæffer

05-25-2008, 04:41 PM

Hulk clips:

http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=551&item=10

http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=551&item=8

megladon8

05-25-2008, 10:53 PM

I loved the first clip of Hulk protecting Betty.

The second clip...that was kind of ridiculous. Leterrier definitely shows his face with that one, and it's not so good.

Qrazy

05-26-2008, 12:08 AM

Ehh looks pretty crappy, worse than Ang Lee's also crappy (but for different reasons) film.

Dead & Messed Up

05-26-2008, 12:29 AM

I disagree.

Superheroes are today's mythological figures. And there was certainly a great deal of drama in the old Greek myths.

This is why Hulk worked so well. Lee saw this connection between superheroes and mythology and capitalized on it, creating, in his words, "a Greek tragedy".

I think Hulk was one of the most dramatically powerful films of the decade, and that includes all genres.

I don't think superhero films have any inherent knocks against them in terms of reaching genuine dramatic power, or that only "other" movies can reach this point. This, to me, is the same as saying all summer blockbusters are soulless popcorn fare.

A fair point, but superheroes exist in heightened worlds that make it a little more difficult for me to connect to them emotionally (since they're a step removed from our reality). So when that does happen (Superman, Spider-Man 2, Hellboy, Batman Begins), I'm very impressed.

Of course, the best comic book film, in terms of realism and emotions, has got to be Unbreakable.

megladon8

05-26-2008, 12:36 AM

A fair point, but superheroes exist in heightened worlds that make it a little more difficult for me to connect to them emotionally (since they're a step removed from our reality). So when that does happen (Superman, Spider-Man 2, Hellboy, Batman Begins), I'm very impressed.

But it's not just superhero films that exist in different worlds.

Movies like the original Star Wars trilogy, the Indiana Jones trilogy, the Lord of the Rings films, and a few of the Star Trek films have great emotional power, and many of their worlds make Spider-Man 2 look realistic.

I don't think the reality of the world in which a film's story takes place has anything to do with its ability to connect with someone emotionally.

Dead & Messed Up

05-26-2008, 12:42 AM

But it's not just superhero films that exist in different worlds.

Movies like the original Star Wars trilogy, the Indiana Jones trilogy, the Lord of the Rings films, and a few of the Star Trek films have great emotional power, and many of their worlds make Spider-Man 2 look realistic.

I would agree, but I also think those movies take the extra time that other pulp movies do not take, and so it is after great effort that they eventually move us. Of those films, I was only moved by Empire, a bit of Jedi, and - I guess - the tail end of Return of the King.

But one advantage those pictures have over comic book films is that they take place in their own worlds, on their own terms. But it's occasionally difficult for me to invest in someone like Superman or Batman protecting us, because their absurd existence supposedly coincides with the relatively mundane (and strikingly non-dualistic) world in which we live.

I don't think the reality of the world in which a film's story takes place has anything to do with its ability to connect with someone emotionally.

What it really depends on, I suppose, is how willing a movie is willing to forego its shiny things to give us true emotional problems. This is easy with traditional drama, but I think a lot of fantasy pictures tend to get distracted.

megladon8

05-26-2008, 12:50 AM

What it really depends on, I suppose, is how willing a movie is willing to forego its shiny things to give us true emotional problems. This is easy with traditional drama, but I think a lot of fantasy pictures tend to get distracted.

Oh I completely agree, but this is a problem with the way the films are made, and not with their subject matter.

Often fantasy/sci-fi films go for spectacle rather than story-telling power, and this is where they falter.

A traditional drama can be just as cold and unable to connect with you emotionally if the filmmakers care more about the film's aesthetics than its content and richness. I think of something like The Black Dahlia, which was gorgeous to look at, but man, that was one hollow, boring movie.

It's just finding that balance, and that's something all movies need to take into account. Fantasies/sci-fi just happen to suffer more often, because they can very easily be turned into SFX extravaganzas with nothing else to offer.

Dead & Messed Up

05-26-2008, 12:54 AM

Oh I completely agree, but this is a problem with the way the films are made, and not with their subject matter.

Often fantasy/sci-fi films go for spectacle rather than story-telling power, and this is where they falter.

A traditional drama can be just as cold and unable to connect with you emotionally if the filmmakers care more about the film's aesthetics than its content and richness. I think of something like The Black Dahlia, which was gorgeous to look at, but man, that was one hollow, boring movie.

It's just finding that balance, and that's something all movies need to take into account. Fantasies/sci-fi just happen to suffer more often, because they can very easily be turned into SFX extravaganzas with nothing else to offer.

I can agree with this, especially the last line you wrote. Point of fact, this is exactly what happened in the last twenty minutes of Crystal Skull.

lovejuice

05-26-2008, 04:28 PM

Of course, the best comic book film, in terms of realism and emotions, has got to be Unbreakable.

i have grown fonder toward that film since i came here to the states. when i first watched it, i got wtf! it has a lot of background in the "superhero aspect" of american culture. i still can't stomach it, but at least i learn how to appreciate it.

megladon8

06-02-2008, 11:13 PM

This interview (http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/569136/the-incredible-hulk/videos/nycc_hulkinterview_042008.html ) with Louis Letterier and Tim Roth reveals/hints at a few neat things.

What got me excited was...

...when they spoke about the possibility of Lou Ferrigno being the voice of the Hulk when he speaks.

I think that's really cool.

megladon8

06-04-2008, 06:52 PM

OK, I'm really looking forward to this and all, but I want to know...why does Banner himself seem to be invincible?

That shot in the trailers when he dives off the helicopter, hundreds of feet down to a city street, and he's tied up...

I could understand it if he turned into the Hulk while he was falling, but it's pretty clear that he's still Banner when he hits the ground, then emerges as Hulk.

So, um...WTF?

Watashi

06-08-2008, 09:55 AM

At least the marketing is smart. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOq0BD_Eiig&fmt=18)

Grouchy

06-09-2008, 12:19 AM

At least the marketing is smart. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOq0BD_Eiig&fmt=18)
That TV spot is good, true, but I'm kind of disappointed that it spoils the Tony Stark scene.

megladon8

06-09-2008, 01:41 AM

Rowland

06-09-2008, 01:44 AM

I know I have said it before, but I still don't understand this whole "re-boot of the series" thing.

Not that I don't understand the concept. It just seems a bit silly how everyone involved claims to be trying to distance themselves from Lee's Hulk, yet this one takes place 5 years later (5 years in real time since Lee's) and begins where the last Hulk left off.It's simple, they are trying to respect the existence of Hulk while tonally reconfiguring and selling this movie as a franchise reboot to the public who reacted with indifference to the original.

EyesWideOpen

06-09-2008, 03:28 AM

Sycophant

06-09-2008, 05:17 AM

That TV spot is good, true, but I'm kind of disappointed that it spoils the Tony Stark scene.

I think half the reason Stark's in there is for marketing purposes.

Watashi

06-09-2008, 06:12 AM

In the trailer? Yeah.

In the film. No.

He was in the film even before they predicted Iron Man was going to be a success.

Raiders

06-09-2008, 02:13 PM

In the trailer? Yeah.

In the film. No.

He was in the film even before they predicted Iron Man was going to be a success.

Well, true, but I thought it was solely for the purpose of getting everyone ready for the Avengers movie, which would constitute a marketing ploy.

ledfloyd

06-09-2008, 04:52 PM

i read on newsarama that captain america will make an appearance in the flick.

megladon8

06-09-2008, 08:14 PM

A G4 interview with Louis Leterrier (http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/videos/26297/Louis_Leterrier_Talks_Hulk.htm l).

He discusses the "problem" with the cuts of the film, Ed Norton's writing credit, and some very interesting news about cameos.

transmogrifier

06-10-2008, 02:31 AM

SO it's getting good reviews......I for one am kind of glad, because Lee's angsty melodrama married to a completely awful finale is way overpraised around here.

megladon8

06-10-2008, 03:19 AM

Emanuel Levy gave it a C+ (http://emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=10096).

Watashi

06-10-2008, 04:22 AM

You can't be the new Rowland if you are linking to Emanuel fucking Levy.

number8

06-10-2008, 05:35 AM

I didn't notice Cap. And I was looking.

Omar from The Wire had a two second non-speaking cameo. Weird.

Sycophant

06-10-2008, 07:25 AM

I didn't notice Cap. And I was looking.

Omar from The Wire had a two second non-speaking cameo. Weird.Do you think they're setting him for something bigger in a future film/series? Or did Mr. Williams just really wanna be in a Marvel movie?

Ezee E

06-10-2008, 11:13 AM

Do you think they're setting him for something bigger in a future film/series? Or did Mr. Williams just really wanna be in a Marvel movie?
Not every actor makes $20 mill unfortunately. Some have to take these roles.

number8

06-10-2008, 04:32 PM

Do you think they're setting him for something bigger in a future film/series? Or did Mr. Williams just really wanna be in a Marvel movie?

Neither, I think. He was just a random black guy running away for his life while Abomination was trashing Harlem. He could be Luke Cage, but I doubt it.

Sycophant

06-10-2008, 04:36 PM

That's a pity. I guess I just figured/hoped his career was moving up in a way where he wouldn't be Black Dude #3. According to IMDb, he seems to have a lot on his slate. Hope those roles are a bit meatier.

Wryan

06-10-2008, 04:37 PM

random black guy running away for his life

Credited as such, yes?

megladon8

06-10-2008, 05:47 PM

So how was it, number8?

Fezzik

06-13-2008, 03:52 PM

I took in the midnight show.

I loved it, but I can see where it won't be everyone's cup of tea. The players were fine, and there were a LOT of little details that Marvelphiles will appreciate - they definitely set up for a sequel.

A lot more HULK SMASH in this one than the Ang Lee version, but I liked Norton's portrayal of Banner better than Bana's. He just seemed to inhabit the character better.

Tim Roth was awesome. Period. There was a nod to Captain America in some of his scenes, but I didn't see any direct references to Cap, except once:

The canister that Ross gets the super soldier serum from is imprinted with the name of the Doctor that worked on Steve Rogers

I quite liked the final fight - and its BRUTAL...they dont take prisoners. Marvel really took off the gloves, there is collateral damage and a lot of it.

And Hulk puts on the gloves...so to speak. Awesome use of a police car, big guy.

In conclusion

You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry

Kurosawa Fan

06-13-2008, 04:41 PM

Do you think they're setting him for something bigger in a future film/series? Or did Mr. Williams just really wanna be in a Marvel movie?

I'd bet a large sum that he'll be involved in the universe it a larger capacity. He's been landing small roles in several films since Omar. I'd be really surprised if he just had a quick, non-speaking cameo and that was the extent of the role he took, unless he ended up on the cutting room floor.

Watashi

06-13-2008, 05:15 PM

I didn't like it. It got pretty tedious halfway through and none of the actors showed up to work besides Roth.

Norton says there will be a uncut DVD that will feature a whopping 70 minutes of additional footage.

number8

06-13-2008, 05:19 PM

I'd bet a large sum that he'll be involved in the universe it a larger capacity. He's been landing small roles in several films since Omar. I'd be really surprised if he just had a quick, non-speaking cameo and that was the extent of the role he took, unless he ended up on the cutting room floor.

I think it's the latter. Norton is a huge fan of The Wire and wrote a role specifically for him. But a lot of scenes got cut out, as Watashi said. Ty Burrell's role as Doc Samson nearly disappeared from the movie.

Watashi

06-13-2008, 05:21 PM

Oh, and I didn't catch the Captain America reference until I read it online. Lame if you ask me.

megladon8

06-13-2008, 05:23 PM

Gale Anne Hurd said a day or two ago that Louis Leterrier was actually wrong when he said "you might get to see Captain America himself".

She said what he meant to say was that if you look closely, you'll see the Super Soldier Serum.

number8

06-13-2008, 05:30 PM

megladon8

06-13-2008, 05:57 PM

No, it was cut out. It wasn't just the serum.

The beginning of the script I read had Banner traveling to the Arctic with a gun to kill himself. He shoots himself in the head but turns into the Hulk instead of dying. It was cut out because Marvel decided it was too dark for the movie.

Leterrier said that when Banner was there, he sees Captain America's frozen body.

Oh, then I guess Gale Anne Hurd was just covering their asses because of that scene being cut out.

Leterrier seems to have shot it, though, judging by his comments.

Maybe this is a scene we'll see on the DVD?

Sxottlan

06-14-2008, 05:58 PM

Morris Schæffer

06-14-2008, 07:24 PM

Ironically, it looks like the film will make about the same (http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-06-13&p=.htm) as Lee's version for the first weekend.

I guess it'll come down to the second weekend.

Pehaps it also came down to Iron Man beating any other superhero movie to the finish. Audiences certainly embraced the Favreau movie with a passion and perhaps there was some marvel saturation, a feeling that Hulk wasn't going to measure up. Iron Man was unleashed at just the right time in theaters after a months-long drought of exciting movies. Who knows how much $$$$$$$$$ TIH might have made had it secured the May 2nd spot.

Ezee E

06-14-2008, 09:22 PM

Pehaps it also came down to Iron Man beating any other superhero movie to the finish. Audiences certainly embraced the Favreau movie with a passion and perhaps there was some marvel saturation, a feeling that Hulk wasn't going to measure up. Iron Man was unleashed at just the right time in theaters after a months-long drought of exciting movies. Who knows how much $$$$$$$$$ TIH might have made had it secured the May 2nd spot.
I'll tell you this much.

Not as much as Iron Man.

megladon8

06-15-2008, 10:03 PM

This is pretty funny. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne3YC339myg)

Not as funny as "The Guillermo Ultimatum", but it's nice to see Edward Norton make fun of himself a bit.

number8

06-15-2008, 11:28 PM

I miss Norton doing comedy.

<-- is a huge fan of Death to Smoochy.

megladon8

06-15-2008, 11:59 PM

I miss Norton doing comedy.

<-- is a huge fan of Death to Smoochy.

I never saw that one.

I should, since it's like, $1.50 most places now. (Exaggerating, I know, but it's damn cheap).

Sycophant

06-16-2008, 12:00 AM

I never saw that one.

I should, since it's like, $1.50 most places now. (Exaggerating, I know, but it's damn cheap).
Perhaps the most potent dollar-to-awesomeness possible purchase on the market right now?

megladon8

06-16-2008, 12:16 AM

Perhaps the most potent dollar-to-awesomeness possible purchase on the market right now?

Really? It's that good??

I guess I was still an RT poster back when it was released (and also 15-16 years of age), but I remember it getting very bad word of mouth.

This is the one with Robin Williams and Edward Norton, right? With the Barney-like children's character?

Winston*

06-16-2008, 12:32 AM

I wouldn't be as enthusiastic as Sycophant and number8 about it, but Death to Smoochy does indeed bring the lulz. Norton's great in it.

number8

06-16-2008, 12:58 AM

I've seen that movie so many times...

"You fucked with the wrong rhino!"

Ezee E

06-16-2008, 12:59 AM

:up: for Death to Smoochy.

Solid *** 1/2 movie. Lots of "lulz"

Kurosawa Fan

06-16-2008, 01:35 AM

Death to Smoochy is one of the most irritating, obnoxious films I've seen. Hated it.

Rowland

06-16-2008, 03:48 AM

Death to Smoochy is one of the most irritating, obnoxious films I've seen. Hated it.Thank you. I fucking hated that movie, a bunch of witless nonsense reeking of desperation. I think I laughed maybe twice.

Sven

06-16-2008, 05:13 AM

Rep to all Death to Smoochy lovers!

Milky Joe

06-16-2008, 05:30 AM

One more thumbs up for Death To Smoochy here.

"IT'S A ROCKET SHIP!!!!"

Skitch

06-16-2008, 11:47 AM

Death To Smoochy was an awful waste of talent.

Sven

06-16-2008, 12:02 PM

Death To Smoochy was an awful waste of talent.

No rep for you, sir!

Scar

06-16-2008, 12:14 PM

Rep to all Death to Smoochy lovers!

Its been bumped to the top of my Blockbuster queue!

Rowland

06-16-2008, 02:29 PM

Another Match-Cut quirk? Seriously, I think I saw it when I was 16, and even then it struck me as aiming for a lower common denominator. Making fun of Barney, penis jokes galore, Nazi conventions, pushy Irish mobsters with thick accents, and Robin Williams being MORE hyperactive than usual. I was actually uncomfortable by how awkwardly humorless it was. Weird...

Skitch

06-16-2008, 03:01 PM

No rep for you, sir!

:cry:

I cannot lie!

Lasse

06-16-2008, 04:14 PM

That clip was very funny. And I've been called crazy for liking Death To Smoochy more than once. :lol:

Looking forward to this new Hulk film.

Lasse

06-16-2008, 04:15 PM

:cry:

I cannot lie!

Do you like big butts?

lovejuice

06-16-2008, 04:25 PM

count me in as a fan for death to smoochy. there is more in this movie than people giving it credit.

Skitch

06-16-2008, 04:27 PM

Do you like big butts?

7/10

Rowland

06-16-2008, 04:28 PM

count me in as a fan for death to smoochy. there is more in this movie than people giving it credit.Like what, the satire of an exploitative corporate culture embodied by Catherine Keener in her typecast ice queen role? It's all hammer-in-the-skull obvious, and equally forced in its humor. I'd liken it to a ten-year-old screaming in my face while I force myself to appear amused out of embarrassment.

Qrazy

06-16-2008, 04:52 PM

Death to Smoochy is one of the most irritating, obnoxious films I've seen. Hated it.

This.

megladon8

06-18-2008, 02:05 AM

Wow, that was a great movie.

However, it's quite obvious - even just watching the movie and ignoring the fact that the trailer shows stuff that never happens - that it was cut to hell.

I really hope there is a DVD with some alternate, longer cuts.

But yeah, I really enjoyed that. It was fun, emotional, frightening, action-packed...everything I want in a great summer popcorn movie.

It's not Iron Man, and I didn't like it as much as Lee's vision of Hulk, but it was a great time.

Grouchy

06-18-2008, 06:54 PM

Well, I think I'm more curious about Death to Smoochy right now than any superhero movie. I've been hearing this love it / hate it stuff for years now.

lovejuice

06-18-2008, 09:31 PM

Like what, the satire of an exploitative corporate culture embodied by Catherine Keener in her typecast ice queen role? It's all hammer-in-the-skull obvious, and equally forced in its humor. I'd liken it to a ten-year-old screaming in my face while I force myself to appear amused out of embarrassment.

if anything, it gets you rep point from iosos. :P

megladon8

06-18-2008, 10:27 PM

Louis Leterrier has said that, if there is a Hulk 2, he will let the fans decide who the villain will be, by going to Comic-Con and asking the fans of the films/comics who they would like to see - Doc Samson, or The Leader.

However, this confuses me...

Isn't Doc Samson a good guy?

Acapelli

06-18-2008, 11:31 PM

megladon8

06-19-2008, 01:13 AM

hmm going over the wikipedia, they've fought numerous times, but it seems like he's never been an outright villain

His scenes are the ones I missed most from the movie.

Even watching the trailer, you could tell that he had a bigger role in the story than we saw in the theatres.

What we actually got felt like no more than "hey fanboys - we have a character named Doc Samson! Get it??"