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Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:20 AM
With the exception of his musical documentaries and Boxcar Bertha, I have finished up Marty's filmography by dedicating these past few months of my Netflix queue directly in his favor.

Considering the old consensus thread is gone from Match Cut's old site, we can use this thread to discuss and rate his works.

What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This? - 6.5
The Big Shave - 7
Who's That Knocking at My Door - 7.5
Mean Streets - 8
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - 4
Taxi Driver - 7.5
New York, New York - 8
Raging Bull - 9.5
The King of Comedy - 8
After Hours - 8
The Color of Money - 6
The Last Temptation of Christ - 10
Goodfellas - 8
Cape Fear - 9
The Age of Innocence - 9
Casino - 3
Kundun - 8.5
Bringing Out the Dead - 8.5
Gangs of New York - 10
The Aviator - 9.5
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan - 8
The Departed - 9

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:24 AM
Most underrated film is Cape Fear.

Most overrated film is Casino.

I think Scorsese is the only director that has tackled every available genre except for science-fiction.

Boner M
11-18-2008, 12:24 AM
I owe a lot of these repeats...

Who's That Knocking at My Door - 7
Mean Streets - 8
Taxi Driver - 10
Raging Bull - 9
The King of Comedy - 9.5
After Hours - 9.5
Goodfellas - 9
Cape Fear - 6.5
The Age of Innocence - 7.5
Casino - 4
Bringing Out the Dead - 7
My Voyage to Italy - 8.5
Gangs of New York - 8
The Aviator - 6
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan - 8
The Departed - 8
Shine a Light - 5.5

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:27 AM
You can watch The Big Shave here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83i8G6o0quc).

DavidSeven
11-18-2008, 12:28 AM
Nice try, Wats. But you haven't seen It's Not Just You, Murray! (http://www.hollywoodsaloon.com/podcastEP36-3.html). The thread doesn't start until you do.

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:29 AM
Nice try, Wats. But you haven't seen It's Not Just You, Murray! (http://www.hollywoodsaloon.com/podcastEP36-3.html). The thread doesn't start until you do.
Nice. I was looking for this on YouTube.

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:30 AM
You've never seen The Last Temptation of Christ, boner?

Winston*
11-18-2008, 12:31 AM
Have you seen A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies, Watashi?

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:32 AM
Have you seen A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies, Watashi?
No. I'll get to that and My Voyage to Italy later.

Boner M
11-18-2008, 12:33 AM
You've never seen The Last Temptation of Christ, boner?
Nah. One of my biggest cinematic blind spots.

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:34 AM
Nah. One of my biggest cinematic blind spots.
But... Martin Scorsese, Peter Gabriel, David Bowie, Harry Dean Stanton...

Sycophant
11-18-2008, 12:38 AM
Taxi Driver - 8.5
Gangs of New York - 7.5 (very hazy memory, though)
The Aviator - 8.5
The Departed - 7.0

I have now owned a copy of The Last Temptation of Christ for about five years and still haven't watched it.

Yes, I suck.

Melville
11-18-2008, 12:39 AM
Mean Streets - 6.5
Taxi Driver - 10
Raging Bull - 9
The King of Comedy - 8
After Hours - 4
The Color of Money - 4
The Last Temptation of Christ - 5.5
Goodfellas - 8
The Age of Innocence - 6
Casino - 8
Bringing Out the Dead - 7
Gangs of New York - 6
The Aviator - 10
The Departed - 6

Most underrated: The Aviator
Most overrated: Goodfellas

Watashi
11-18-2008, 12:41 AM
Mean Streets - 6.5
Taxi Driver - 10
Raging Bull - 9
The King of Comedy - 8
After Hours - 4
The Color of Money - 4
The Last Temptation of Christ - 5.5
Goodfellas - 8
The Age of Innocence - 6
Casino - 8
Bringing Out the Dead - 7
Gangs of New York - 6
The Aviator - 10
The Departed - 6

Most underrated: The Aviator
Most overrated: Goodfellas

I would give you rep for you Aviator score, but then I saw your Last Temptation of Christ score....

So close.

Melville
11-18-2008, 12:42 AM
I would give you rep for you Aviator score, but then I saw your Last Temptation of Christ score....

So close.
Can't win 'em all.

Philosophe_rouge
11-18-2008, 12:42 AM
Most underrated film is Cape Fear.

Most overrated film is Casino.

I think Scorsese is the only director that has tackled every available genre except for science-fiction.
Robert Altman might have tackled just as many. Hawks up there too... and both did sci-fi.



Scorsese ratings:
Taxi Driver - 9
Raging Bull - 8
Goodfellas - 8
Casino - 6.5
Gangs of New York - 7.5
The Aviator - 5.5
The Departed - 7

Really want to see:
No Direction Home
The Age of Innocence
The Last Temptation of Christ
After Hours

Robby P
11-18-2008, 01:24 AM
His post-Goodfellas work has been consistently disappointing.

Ivan Drago
11-18-2008, 01:24 AM
Taxi Driver - 7
Raging Bull - 10
The Last Temptation of Christ - 8.5
Goodfellas - 9.5
Casino - 9.5
Gangs of New York - 8
The Aviator - 8
The Departed - 8.5

Might be my favorite filmmaker.

DavidSeven
11-18-2008, 01:50 AM
His post-Goodfellas work has been consistently disappointing.

Bringing Out the Dead emphatically says otherwise.

Milky Joe
11-18-2008, 02:24 AM
Actually taking a class on Scorsese this term.

The Big Shave - 6
Who's That Knocking at My Door - 6.5
Mean Streets - 7.5
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - 9
Taxi Driver - 8.5
New York, New York - 9.5
Raging Bull - 9
The King of Comedy - 9
After Hours - 9.5
Goodfellas - 7.5
Casino - 8.5
Gangs of New York - 7.5
The Aviator - 8.5
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan - 10
The Departed - 7

Most overrated: Goodfellas
Most underrated: Casino, After Hours, New York New York

Qrazy
11-18-2008, 02:27 AM
Still have lots to see... prioritizing these...

# Shine a Light (2008)
# No Direction Home: Bob Dylan (2005)
# Lady by the Sea: The Statue of Liberty (2004) (TV)
# "The Blues" (1 episode, 2003)
- Feel Like Going Home (2003) TV episode
# The Concert for New York City (2001) (TV) (segment "The Neighborhood")
# Bringing Out the Dead (1999)
# Mio viaggio in Italia, Il (1999)
... aka My Voyage to Italy (USA)
# Kundun (1997)
# A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies (1995) (TV)
# Made in Milan (1990)
# "Amazing Stories" (1 episode, 1986)
... aka Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories (USA: complete title)
- Mirror, Mirror (1986) TV episode
# The Last Waltz (1978)
# American Boy: A Profile of: Steven Prince (1978)
... aka American Boy
# Italianamerican (1974)
# Boxcar Bertha (1972)
# Street Scenes (1970)
# I Call First (1967)
... aka Who's That Knocking at My Door (USA: new title (longer version))
# The Big Shave (1967)
... aka The Big Shave... or, Viet '67
# What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This? (1963)
# Vesuvius VI (1959)

Ezee E
11-18-2008, 02:45 AM
What would his Western be? Spielberg and Kubrick are two other directors that are close to hitting every genre.

Also, don't forget his impressive short on New York Stories.

You should really watch his Personal Journey and Voyage to Italy. They are great for film buffs. Any commentary by Scorsese is worth listening to.

Most Overrated: Age of Innocence
Most Underrated: After Hours (just was watching this the other day, still top-notch) and Bringing Out the Dead (although it has a few flaws)


The Big Shave - 5
Who's That Knocking at My Door - 8
Mean Streets - 8
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - 6
Taxi Driver - 10
New York, New York - 8
Raging Bull - 10
The King of Comedy - 9
After Hours - 10
The Color of Money - 7
The Last Temptation of Christ - 10
Goodfellas - 10
Cape Fear - 8.5
The Age of Innocence - 6
Casino - 10
Kundun - 8
Bringing Out the Dead - 9
Gangs of New York - 10
The Aviator - 9
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan - 8
The Departed - 10

The Last Waltz - 7
Shine A Light - 7
New York Stories section - 9
Personal Journey - 9
Voyage to Italy - 9
Italianamerican - 7
The Blues episode - 8


Haven't seen that "What's A Nice Girl Like You..." or his documentary on the Statue of Liberty. But I have seen Michael Jackson's "Bad" :)

Ebert has a new book that is just Scorsese. It'll be on my wishlist for Christmas.

Milky Joe
11-18-2008, 02:45 AM
I submit that New York, New York is maybe the best musical ever made. Thoughts? Hollywood musical, at least, if there is any other kind.

Dukefrukem
11-18-2008, 02:48 AM
Taxi Driver - 8
New York, New York - 8
Raging Bull - 9
Goodfellas - 8
Cape Fear - 8
The Age of Innocence - 9
Casino - 7
Bringing Out the Dead - 8.5
Gangs of New York - 8
The Aviator - 7
The Departed - 10

DavidSeven
11-18-2008, 02:51 AM
The Big Shave - 6
It's Not Just You, Murray! - 7
Mean Streets - 10
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - 7.5
Taxi Driver - 7.5
Raging Bull - 8.5
The King of Comedy - 8
After Hours - 8.5
The Last Temptation of Christ - 10
Goodfellas - 9
The Age of Innocence - 6
Casino - 7.5
Bringing Out the Dead - 9.5
Gangs of New York - 7
The Aviator - 7
The Departed - 8.5

Ezee E
11-18-2008, 02:57 AM
This is just hilarious to listen to Some dude picks his top five Scorsese films with horrible commentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1wm_T8sPM)

megladon8
11-18-2008, 03:07 AM
Taxi Driver - 9
The Last Temptation of Christ - 5.5
Goodfellas - 10
Cape Fear - 8
Casino - 5
Bringing Out the Dead - 6
Gangs of New York - 8.5
The Departed - 9

MadMan
11-18-2008, 03:12 AM
I really must see more, but I've liked/loved everything I've seen from him so far:

Taxi Driver-95
Raging Bull-100
Goodfellas-100
Casino-97
Gangs of New York-95
The Aviator-90
The Departed-98

Overall score: 96.43

Favorite Film: Gangs of New York

Watashi
11-18-2008, 03:13 AM
Only a 90 for The Aviator?

Ezee E
11-18-2008, 03:15 AM
So what's the more bizarro film from Scorsese?

Kundun, Age of Innocence, or Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore?

Kurious Jorge v3.1
11-18-2008, 03:35 AM
Cape Fear is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. The Departed is also poop.

It's Not Just You, Murray! - 6
What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This? - 7
The Big Shave - 8.5
Mean Streets - 9
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - 5
Taxi Driver - 9
Raging Bull - 8
The King of Comedy - 7.5
After Hours - 8
The Last Temptation of Christ - 9
New York Stories - 7
Goodfellas - 7
Cape Fear - 1
An Journey through American Film - 8
Casino - too many years since I watched it
Bringing Out the Dead - 8.5
My Voayge to Italy - 9
Gangs of New York - 5
The Aviator - 6
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan - 8
The Departed - 4

Qrazy
11-18-2008, 04:07 AM
I submit that New York, New York is maybe the best musical ever made. Thoughts? Hollywood musical, at least, if there is any other kind.

I found it to be relatively fleeting and inconsequential. Didn't like it.

Milky Joe
11-18-2008, 04:32 AM
I found it to be relatively fleeting and inconsequential. Didn't like it.

Those two words describe every musical I have ever seen, except New York, New York. And maybe Une femme est une femme.

MadMan
11-18-2008, 05:44 AM
Only a 90 for The Aviator?Only 7.5 for Taxi Driver and 8.0 for Goodfellas? Plus Casino getting a 3 is a bit harsh.

Qrazy
11-18-2008, 05:58 AM
Those two words describe every musical I have ever seen, except New York, New York. And maybe Une femme est une femme.

There wasn't a scene that stood out for me. What were some of your favorite moments in it? I haven't seen that many musicals but off the top of my head Singing in the Rain, Top Hat and The Young Girls of Rochefort are all superior. Heck I think I even preferred Paint Your Wagon. Scratch that I know I did.

Milky Joe
11-18-2008, 06:23 AM
My favorite scene was probably when Liza Minnelli has just begun recording her first record, just after she and De Niro have broken it off for good, and it's just a static shot of her singing the song, and she just absolutely nails the performance--just one of the most powerful vocal performances I've ever seen, not only in terms of Minelli's ability, but also extremely powerful in terms of the character Francine Evans and what she goes through to lead up to that moment.

The two scenes that lead up to it were favorites in their own right: De Niro coming to the bar (gorgeous vivid red lighting--the cinematography in this is some of Scorsese's best) to meet Francine and the record producer, showing up late, drunk and belligerent and obnoxious as only 70s De Niro can be, and then the next scene when De Niro is stoned, and is totally meek and accommodating, which causes Francine (who's pregnant) to herself get drunk and end up going absolutely ballistic, breaking it off for good. This leads to the performance I mentioned above, when Minnelli/Francine sings that song and it's just this incredible release of all the emotional tension that has been built up brilliantly for the whole film between the two of them. Liza Minnelli is a force of nature in this film.

And there's just lots of little moments throughout. A lot of the dialogue was improvised, and it lends a natural kind of feel to the dialogue, and also a humor that couldn't have been achieved with a regular script. I laughed out loud pretty frequently.

B-side
11-18-2008, 08:06 AM
The Departed- 8
The Aviator- 9-
Gangs Of New York- 8
Casino- 9+
Goodfellas- 8
After Hours- 7+
King Of Comedy- 8
Raging Bull- 10
Taxi Driver- 8
Mean Streets- 7

Wryan
11-18-2008, 01:00 PM
I haven't seen the former, but I imagine Shine a Light wouldn't be a pox on the ass of The Last Waltz.

Wats, you gotta see Waltz before you move on to another director.

And I dunno if you've chosen your next director project, but I suggest Fellini. Hard to go wrong. Except Satyricon.

Philosophe_rouge
11-18-2008, 06:16 PM
I haven't seen the former, but I imagine Shine a Light wouldn't be a pox on the ass of The Last Waltz.

Wats, you gotta see Waltz before you move on to another director.

And I dunno if you've chosen your next director project, but I suggest Fellini. Hard to go wrong. Except Satyricon.

I sorta like Satyricon...

Wryan
11-18-2008, 06:17 PM
I sorta like Satyricon...

Some people do. Some people also enjoy urethral acupuncture.

Qrazy
11-18-2008, 07:59 PM
Satyricon is a good film. Roma is worse and even Roma has it's moments.

monolith94
11-18-2008, 09:10 PM
I submit that New York, New York is maybe the best musical ever made. Thoughts? Hollywood musical, at least, if there is any other kind.
Bollywood?

D_Davis
11-18-2008, 09:14 PM
I think Scorsese is the only director that has tackled every available genre except for science-fiction.

Miike has, and I think Tsui Hark has as well.

Raiders
11-18-2008, 09:20 PM
Scorsese has done a western?

Sven
11-18-2008, 09:24 PM
At the rate he's going, Marc Forster will have tackled (and fucked up) every genre.

Robby P
11-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Scorsese has done a western?

Well, Taxi Driver is loosely based on The Searchers, I suppose.

D_Davis
11-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Scorsese has done a western?

Last Temptation of Christ. The wild, wild East.

Winston*
11-18-2008, 10:09 PM
Gangs of New York is his most westerny, archetye wise and such. Not a western though.

Ezee E
11-18-2008, 10:11 PM
Scorsese has done a western?
Exactly what I said.

And so far the reaches don't work at all.

Pop Trash
11-18-2008, 10:17 PM
Hmmm...just for fun I'll join in on this party:

Mean Streets -7
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore -8 (way underrated)
Taxi Driver -10 (in my top five of all time)
The Last Waltz -8
Raging Bull -8
The King of Comedy -8
After Hours -8
The Last Temptation of Christ -9
New York Stories Segment -9 (best one of the bunch)
Goodfellas -9
Cape Fear -8
Casino -8
Bringing Out the Dead -8 (needs a rewatch though)
My Voyage to Italy -8
Gangs of NY -7
The Aviator -8
No Direction Home -8
The Departed -8
Shine a Light -6

Qrazy
11-18-2008, 11:02 PM
I'd be more interested in a Scorsese sci-fi than a Scorsese western.

Ezee E
11-19-2008, 12:07 AM
I'd be more interested in a Scorsese sci-fi than a Scorsese western.
I feel the other way around. Scorsese knows Westerns a lot more.

Qrazy
11-19-2008, 12:12 AM
I feel the other way around. Scorsese knows Westerns a lot more.

Since I dislike both The Age of Innocence and Last Temptation of the Christ I have little faith in his ability to do 'historical' dramas. I'd be interested to see his take on the future though.

I don't see how you can say he knows westerns more when he hasn't done a sci-fi or a western... unless you're basically saying he knows guns, violence, alienation and rugged characters but all of these things could also take place in a sci-fi if he were so inclined.

trotchky
11-19-2008, 01:02 AM
The Big Shave - 9
Mean Streets - 10
Taxi Driver - 10
After Hours - 3
The Last Temptation of Christ - 8
Gangs of New York - 10
The Aviator - 8.5
The Departed - 7

MadMan
11-19-2008, 01:08 AM
I'd be more interested in a Scorsese sci-fi than a Scorsese western.I want to see him do both.

Amnesiac
11-19-2008, 02:46 AM
The closest Scorcese has come to doing sci-fi (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2003/jul/11/news.martinscorsese).

Ivan Drago
11-19-2008, 03:47 AM
Bollywood?

I just thought of something totally random...

Can anyone imagine Martin Scorsese directing a Bollywood movie?

It'll never happen, obviously, but it'd be incredibly awesome and incredibly fucked up at the same time.

Winston*
11-19-2008, 04:44 AM
Can anyone imagine Scorsese as a trained ferret contracted to make a remake of Persona starring Timothy Spall and a tomato with a smiley face painted on it?

How crazy would that be?

Ezee E
11-19-2008, 06:33 AM
Since I dislike both The Age of Innocence and Last Temptation of the Christ I have little faith in his ability to do 'historical' dramas. I'd be interested to see his take on the future though.

I don't see how you can say he knows westerns more when he hasn't done a sci-fi or a western... unless you're basically saying he knows guns, violence, alienation and rugged characters but all of these things could also take place in a sci-fi if he were so inclined.
He knows Westerns like he knows Crime films. His Personal Journey has an entire section dedicated to them. He has reused shots of John Wayne in some of his films.

As a genre I'm speaking.

Ezee E
11-19-2008, 06:34 AM
Can anyone imagine Scorsese as a trained ferret contracted to make a remake of Persona starring Timothy Spall and a tomato with a smiley face painted on it?

How crazy would that be?
If anyone could make it good....

Watashi
11-19-2008, 09:03 AM
Cape Fear is one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

I still want Jorge to explain why he thinks this.

From what I've read on the original film, Scorsese's version sounds much better.

The entire conversation between Max and Danielle in the auditorium is one of the best Scorsese scenes. It's hard to imagine the entire scene was completely improvised and done in one take.

Qrazy
11-19-2008, 02:47 PM
I still want Jorge to explain why he thinks this.

From what I've read on the original film, Scorsese's version sounds much better.

The entire conversation between Max and Danielle in the auditorium is one of the best Scorsese scenes. It's hard to imagine the entire scene was completely improvised and done in one take.

The original is much, much better. I watched a double Mitchum bill with that and Night of the Hunter and came away satisfied. I'm with Jorge on disliking Scorsese's version a great deal.

Wryan
11-19-2008, 02:54 PM
The original is much, much better. I watched a double Mitchum bill with that and Night of the Hunter and came away satisfied. I'm with Jorge on disliking Scorsese's version a great deal.

I like Scorcese's version, not a great deal, but at least a deal. But I think I enjoy Mitchum and Peck a bit more. I heard that during one of the choreographed fights, Peck actually connected with Mitchum for real, who "felt it for days afterward." I can't imagine being actually hit by someone like young Peck. Ouchy.

That double bill must have been something. I would want to make films like Night of the Hunter if I were a filmmaker.

Qrazy
11-19-2008, 03:23 PM
I like Scorcese's version, not a great deal, but at least a deal. But I think I enjoy Mitchum and Peck a bit more. I heard that during one of the choreographed fights, Peck actually connected with Mitchum for real, who "felt it for days afterward." I can't imagine being actually hit by someone like young Peck. Ouchy.

That double bill must have been something. I would want to make films like Night of the Hunter if I were a filmmaker.

Yeah... better that than being stabbed though I suppose (Jimmy Smits - Dexter mishap - I'm assuming it's not just rumor). Actually I watched Bringing out the Dead yesterday and it was interesting to see both Omar and Greggs (The Wire) as well as Angel (Dexter) all in there from back in the day. Pretty good film but the soundtrack didn't work for me. I thought the film would have been infinitely superior with an actual score modulating mood throughout. Also I could have used less unnecessary Scorsese flourishes. Particularly The Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas-esque transitions in the ambulance between emergency locations. That didn't work at all for me. The ghost stuff on the other hand I thought worked quite well and I would have preferred if the film stayed in tune with that, more of a Leaving Las Vegas vibe. Which is not to say that it couldn't still retain much of it's humor and zaniness. The security guard in the ER was good stuff as were Cage's fellow ambulance drivers. Well Tom Sizemore was a bit much but mostly in a good way. Ax the Fear and Loathing transitions and I think his malicious psychosis would have been more effective.

Speaking of Sizemore he seems to be working a whole hell of a lot lately but making nothing but crap. Someone ought to resurrect his career. I find him to be very charismatic.

Wryan
11-19-2008, 05:25 PM
Speaking of Sizemore he seems to be working a whole hell of a lot lately but making nothing but crap. Someone ought to resurrect his career. I find him to be very charismatic.

Hasn't he had some trouble lately, following the law and stuff?

Dukefrukem
11-19-2008, 05:28 PM
Cape Fear is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. The Departed is also poop.


How is the Departed poop?!

trotchky
11-19-2008, 07:11 PM
Jack Nicholson's intonation of I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me. over footage of race riots and whatnot is a transcendent moment in Scorsese's oeuvre.

Ezee E
11-19-2008, 07:41 PM
Jack Nicholson's intonation of I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me. over footage of race riots and whatnot is a transcendent moment in Scorsese's oeuvre.
why do you say that

Spaceman Spiff
11-19-2008, 09:26 PM
The Aviator - 10

Uh wow.

Thoughts on this? I mean, I dig the movie and all but a perfect 10?

trotchky
11-19-2008, 10:03 PM
why do you say that

Because it's amazing and says a huge amount by establishing the film's tone and themes.

Melville
11-20-2008, 12:08 AM
Uh wow.

Thoughts on this? I mean, I dig the movie and all but a perfect 10?
I think it's a brilliant character study that reveals the central character by constructing the world as he experiences it. The compositions constantly emphasize Hughes' relationships to objects, imbuing them with both tactility and subjective meaning (this is seen especially in the shots of him from the perspective of objects, and in things like the exploding flash bulbs, but it is evident throughout the film). The film is also saturated with period details (of the visual and audio types) to flesh out the sense of a lived-in world—but more interestingly, its extreme stylization, most evidenced by the tinted colors that reproduce those of 30's-era movies, insists that the the film is a film. A dialectic is created: the film is an evocation of Hughes' world, and it is simultaneously an artifice. Artifice and reality mingle, and in their synthesis we see the film as Hughes' artifice; it is his, a literalization of his life story, his bravado and grand aspirations. But it is outside of his control. He himself is beyond his control, his psychological meltdowns pointing always to his lack of free will. The film's dialectic thus becomes a reification of Hughes' psyche: his super-abundant style perpetually at odds with his human frailty. The tension between these two aspects is realized in the shot of Hughes writhing, naked, with his own film projected on his back.

It's also filled with tremendous performances and dialogue, a great score, and extremely dynamic editing that gives it a constant energy (the staccato editing of the Coconut Grove scenes is particularly spectacular).

Qrazy
11-20-2008, 03:05 AM
Hasn't he had some trouble lately, following the law and stuff?

I hadn't heard about it, what's the story?

Robby P
11-20-2008, 06:21 AM
I know Sizemore has some serious addiction problems, and I believe he served time recently for a parole violation. According to wikipedia, he should have been released some time in May of this year. Great actor, though, I agree.

Benny Profane
11-29-2008, 12:56 AM
Flame away, but I just watched Mean Streets for the first time, and found it kinda meandering and pointless.

Ezee E
11-29-2008, 01:00 AM
Flame away, but I just watched Mean Streets for the first time, and found it kinda meandering and pointless.
I didn't like it the first time I saw it either, because I was expecting the immediate impact that many of his other movies had.

This, like Bringing Out the Dead, and The King of Comedy, get better for me on more viewings.

Kurosawa Fan
11-29-2008, 01:34 AM
Flame away, but I just watched Mean Streets for the first time, and found it kinda meandering and pointless.

Actually, that gets you rep from me. I've never liked it much, even after giving it a second chance. I just don't see it.

Qrazy
11-29-2008, 01:36 AM
Actually, that gets you rep from me. I've never liked it much, even after giving it a second chance. I just don't see it.

It's a film that works in episodes more than in totality for me. Every scene with De Niro is great. It's still one of his best performances.

Adam
09-25-2009, 05:15 AM
Boxcar Bertha (doesn't really count as a Scorsese flick, does it?), C
Italianamerican, B
Taxi Driver, A-
American Boy: A Profile of Steven Prince, C+
Raging Bull, A-
King of Comedy, B+
After Hours, A
Last Temptation of Christ, B+
Goodfellas, B+
Cape Fear, B
Casino, C+
Bringing Out the Dead, B
Gangs of New York, C+
The Depahted, B+

Dead & Messed Up
09-25-2009, 05:22 AM
I've seen eight of his films, and three of them were enough to make me love him unconditionally. The rest were icing on an already-fattening cake.

1. Goodfellas
2. Raging Bull
3. Bringing Out the Dead
4. Taxi Driver
5. The Last Temptation of Christ
6. The Departed
7. The Aviator
8. Gangs of New York

ledfloyd
09-25-2009, 06:23 AM
Boxcar Bertha - *1/2
Mean Streets - **
Taxi Driver - ***
The Last Waltz - ****
Raging Bull - **1/2
After Hours - ***1/2
The Last Temptation of Christ - **
Goodfellas - **1/2
The Age of Innocence - ***
Casino - **
Bringing Out the Dead - **
Gangs of New York - *
The Aviator - **1/2
No Direction Home - ***1/2
The Departed - **1/2
Shine a Light - *

Watashi
09-25-2009, 06:32 AM
You fail at rating Scorsese.

soitgoes...
09-25-2009, 07:33 AM
Boxcar Bertha (doesn't really count as a Scorsese flick, does it?), C
Why wouldn't it be a Scorsese film?

Adam
09-25-2009, 07:52 AM
Eh, I dunno. I think of it as a throwaway Corman exploitation flick more than a real scorsese film. Director-for-hire type deal and an easy gateway into Hollywood movie making

ledfloyd
09-25-2009, 08:00 AM
You fail at rating Scorsese.
taxi driver, the last waltz, after hours, the age of innocence and no direction home are the only of his films i have any desire to watch again.

StanleyK
02-11-2018, 08:41 PM
Who's That Knocking At My Door - 4
Boxcar Bertha - 5.5
Mean Streets - 8.5
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore - 2.5
Taxi Driver - 10
New York, New York - 5.5
Raging Bull - 10
The Last King of Comedy - 10
After Hours - 8.5
The Color of Money - 5.5
The Last Temptation of Christ - 4
Goodfellas - 10
Cape Fear - 7
The Age of Innocence - 7
Casino - 8.5
Kundun - 4
Bringing Out the Dead - 5.5
Gangs of New York - 7
The Aviator - 8.5
The Departed - 5.5
Shutter Island - 5.5
Hugo - 5.5
The Wolf of Wall Street - 8.5
Silence - 7

Shorts and Documentaries:

What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This? - 5.5
It's Not Just You, Murray - 5.5
The Big Shave - 5.5
Italianamerican - 5.5
The Last Waltz - 4
American Boy - 5.5
Life Lessons (New York Stories) - 8.5
Shine a Light - 4



I'm missing some of his documentaries and his latest short films (two ads and a music video, nothing I particularly care for); honestly they don't seem like something I'd enjoy.

Skitch
02-11-2018, 09:25 PM
The Last Temptation of Christ - 4
The Departed - 5.5
Shutter Island - 5.5
Hugo - 5.5


Outrageous.

baby doll
02-11-2018, 09:47 PM
Better late than never...

Mean Streets (1973) cold
Alice Doesn't Live Here Any More (1975) cold
Taxi Driver (1976) spicy
The Last Waltz (1978) cold
Raging Bull (1980) mild
The King of Comedy (1983) warm
After Hours (1985) spicy
The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) warm
New York Stories [segment "Life Lessons"] (1989) warm
GoodFellas (1990) spicy
Cape Fear (1991) mild
The Age of Innocence (1993) warm
Casino (1995) mild
Bringing Out the Dead (1999) warm
My Voyage in Italy (2000) mild
Gangs of New York (2002) mild
The Aviator (2004) warm
The Departed (2006) cold
Shutter Island (2010) cold
Hugo (2011) cold
The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) warm

StanleyK
02-12-2018, 01:42 AM
Outrageous.

I'll attempt to defend myself:

Hugo - Leans way too heavily on nostalgia for early cinema and worshiping Melies, to the point where it feels masturbatory; also the main kid is a terrible actor.
The Departed - DiCaprio's character strains believability- he's always one step ahead of everyone, outsmarts Nicholson's gang, comes up with strategies the police hadn't ever thought of, fucks Damon's wife even though there's no chemistry between them whatsoever (in an unnecessary subplot that should have been cut). They played up his competence to a degree that's incongruous with the rest of the movie. Overall it's entertaining but is like an hour too long and the ending is a mess.
Shutter Island - Fairly silly movie, but I believe that the consensus is that it's one of his weaker efforts anyway.
The Last Temptation of Christ - Yeah, I don't have anything... I just remember the movie being incredibly dull and fighting to stay awake throughout.

Dukefrukem
02-12-2018, 12:04 PM
Hugo is terrible. That rating is fine.

The Departed rating though

Skitch
02-12-2018, 12:17 PM
Including Shutter Island in my quote was an accident. I'd say that score is accurate.

Grouchy
02-12-2018, 02:02 PM
Love all four of those movies. If anything, The Departed is the worst, but they're all great.