Match Cut Directors Consensus - Tony Scott

[dreamdead]

Welcome to Week 39 of the Directors Consensus. As usual, list your ranking of the filmmaker's work from earliest to newest. This week, the other Scott; Tony Scott.

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[Watashi]

Top Gun - 4
Enemy of the State - 6
Spy Game - 5.5

[Boner M]

Top Gun - 1
True Romance - 3.5
Enemy of the State - 4.5
Deja Vu - 6.5

[Raiders]

The Hunger (1983) 4.0
Top Gun (1986) 3.5
Days of Thunder (1990) 2.5
True Romance (1993) 6.0
Crimson Tide (1995) 6.0
The Fan (1996) 3.0
Enemy of the State (1998) 5.5
Man on Fire (2004) 2.5
Deja Vu (2006) 6.0

[Pop Trash]

Top Gun- 4/10
Beverly Hills Cop 2- 2/10
Days of Thunder- 1/10
The Last Boy Scout- 1/10
True Romance- 8/10
Crimson Tide- 6/10
Enemy of the State- 6/10
Man on Fire- Turned Off/10
Domino- Turned Off/10

Possibly my least favorite "name" director not named Michael Bay. I do love me some True Romance though.

[Spinal]

The Hunger - 5.5
Top Gun - 4
Beverly Hills Cop II - 3.5
True Romance - 7.5
The Fan - 1.5

[soitgoes...]

Top Gun (1986) - 5.5
Beverly Hills Cop II (1987) - 3.0
Revenge (1990) - 5.5
The Last Boy Scout (1991) - 1.5
True Romance (1993) - 7.0
Crimson Tide (1995) - 6.5
The Fan (1996) - 1.5
Enemy of the State (1998) - 4.5
Spy Game (2001) - 5.0
Man on Fire (2004) - 3.5

[ledfloyd]

Top Gun - 5
The Last Boy Scout - 8
True Romance - 2
Enemy of the State - 6
Man on Fire - 7

[Kurious Jorge v3.1]

The Hunger - 8 (mostly for lesbian scene, Bauhaus and Bowie)
Top Gun - 1
True Romance - 1
The Fan - 2
Spy Game - 3

[MadMan]

*Top Gun(1986)-7.5
*The Last Boy Scout(1991)-8.5
*True Romance(1993)-8.5
*Enemy of the State(1998)-9.0
*Man On Fire(2004)-8.0

I really want to see The Hunger, and I'd also like to view Crimson Tide and Beat the Devil as well. The rest though I can do without. Also I think that True Romance is mostly good because of QT's script, and the cast assembled. Part of my rating is due to that awesome scene with Hopper and Walken though.

[Ezee E]

Top Gun - 2
True Romance - 6
Crimson Tide - 6
The Fan - 4
Enemy of the State - 7.5
Spy Game - 1
Man on Fire - 7
Domino - 5
Deja Vu - 3

[thefourthwall]

Top Gun--7
Days of Thunder--6.5
Crimson Tide--7.5

The only film on Netflix instant viewing that seems remotely interesting is The Hunger, but that's probably because I'm a sucker for a vampire film.

[Mysterious Dude]

One of the Missing - 7.5
True Romance - 5.5
Man on Fire - 8.0
Spy Game - 2.5
Domino - 5.5

[dreamdead]

Top Gun - 4 (Danger Zone was an uber-guilty pleasure as a youth, though)
True Romance - 6.5
The Fan - 3.5 (did NIN really need to be layered through this film that much)
Enemy of the State - 6

It was cool to see Hackman repeat his The Conversation role in Enemy of the State, but if only that film hadn't been so very... Will Smithian.

[D_Davis]

I haven't seen anything pre-True Romance in too long to vote...

True Romance - 7
The Fan - 6
Enemy of the State - 8
Man on Fire - 8

[Ezee E]

Nah, there's much worse stuff in Enemy of the State than Will Smith.

[Rowland]

The Hunger - 5.0
Top Gun - 2.5
Beverly Hills Cop II - 1.5
Revenge - 2.0
Days of Thunder - 5.5
The Last Boy Scout - 6.0
True Romance - 7.0
Spy Game - 3.0
Man on Fire - 6.5
Domino - 6.5
Deja Vu - 5.0

[B-side]

Domino- 7+
True Romance- 7

[Sven]

The Hunger - 7.5
Top Gun - 5
True Romance - 7
Enemy of the State - 7
Spy Game - 4
Man on Fire - 7
Domino - 6

Been too longer for a couple of others.

Wow. Higher than I figured.

[transmogrifier]

On balance, Tony > Ridley

Someone had to say it. And I'm glad that someone was me.

[soitgoes...]

On balance, Tony > Ridley

Someone had to say it. And I'm glad that someone was me.
As soon as baby doll logs on you'll have company.

[Boner M]

I would implore anyone who's seen True Romance a while ago and thought it was kinda cool to give it another look, and realise that it captures Tarantino at his most joylessly masturbatory. Seriously icky viewing.

[ledfloyd]

On balance, Tony > Ridley

Someone had to say it. And I'm glad that someone was me.
i don't think either one is great. but i definitely agree with this. tony at least has style.


I would implore anyone who's seen True Romance a while ago and thought it was kinda cool to give it another look, and realise that it captures Tarantino at his most joylessly masturbatory. Seriously icky viewing.
yep, it's awful.

[Morris Schæffer]

Top Gun - 5.5
Beverly Hills Cop II - 3.5
Days of Thunder - 3.0
The Last Boy Scout - 7.5
True Romance - 7.0
Crimson Tide - 7.5
The Fan - 2.0
Enemy of the State - 7.0
Spy Game - 6.5
Man on Fire - 6.0
Deja Vu - 4.0

[Sven]

Tony > Ridley > just about nobody

[baby doll]

The Hunger (1983) [5]
Top Gun (1986) [4]
True Romance (1993) [6]
Enemy of the State (1998) [5]
Man on Fire (2004) [4]
Domino (2005) [9]
Deja vu (2006) [7]

[ledfloyd]

Tony > Ridley > just about nobody
Tony > Michael Bay > Ridley

[Duncan]

Top Gun - 3.0
Days of Thunder - 2.0
The Last Boy Scout - 4.0
Spy Game - 6.0
Domino - 7.5

[Torgo]

Beverly Hills Cop II - 4/10
True Romance - 8/10
Crimson Tide - 7/10
Enemy of the State - 6/10
Deja Vu - 7/10

[origami_mustache]

Top Gun - 3
True Romance - 6
Enemy of the State - 5
Domino - 4

[trotchky]

i don't think either one is great. but i definitely agree with this. tony at least has style.

I'm not the biggest fan of either, either, but I'll take Blade Runner and Body of Lies over anything Tony Scott has directed.

[Rowland]

I would implore anyone who's seen True Romance a while ago and thought it was kinda cool to give it another look, and realise that it captures Tarantino at his most joylessly masturbatory. Seriously icky viewing.I actually think that's a large part of why it works. I didn't just think it was cool, but I was fascinated by how blatant it was as wishful self-projection.

[Silencio]

Top Gun - 2
Enemy of the State - 4
Man on Fire - 5
Domino - 4
Deja Vu - 5

[Melville]

Top Gun - 2
Days of Thunder - 2
The Last Boy Scout - 2.5
Crimson Tide - 3.5
The Fan - 2
Enemy of the State - 3

[Spinal]

I'm feeling like my Top Gun rating is too high. I haven't seen it since the 80s.

[Rowland]

I may be the only person who kinda enjoys Days of Thunder and likes it more than Top Gun. I can only attribute it to Robert Towne's scripting, all of the character actors filling in the cast, and how the races are more visually dynamic than the confusing abstraction of the flying sequences in Top Gun. The soundtrack of wailing, anthemic, 80's Bruckheimer-ian guitar solors is more catchy as well... *embarrassed*

[Raiders]

I may be the only person who kinda enjoys Days of Thunder and likes it more than Top Gun. I can only attribute it to Robert Towne's scripting, all of the character actors filling in the cast, and how the races are more visually dynamic than the confusing abstraction of the flying sequences in Top Gun. The soundtrack of wailing, anthemic, 80's Bruckheimer-ian guitar solors is more catchy as well... *embarrassed*

They're both awful. When it is that low, I don't look at it in terms of preference.

[MacGuffin]

Beverly Hills Cop II (1987) - 8
True Romance (1993) - 3
Enemy of the State (1998) - 6
Domino (2005) - 6
Deja Vu (2006) - 6

[Ivan Drago]

Domino 2
Deja Vu 6

[ledfloyd]

I'm not the biggest fan of either, either, but I'll take Blade Runner and Body of Lies over anything Tony Scott has directed.

haven't seen body of lies and doubt i ever will. i don't get blade runner at all. alien is the only ridley film i would give a positive rating.

[Rowland]

Beverly Hills Cop II (1987) - 8Whoa now, please explain.

[MacGuffin]

Whoa now, please explain.

It is hard to ruin a movie that features the best character ever.

[MacGuffin]

Actually, Rowland, I'm not sure how much I am looking forward to Beverly Hills Cop IV. I will see it for sure if it comes out. However, Axel Foley and the series is just something I grew up laughing with and will always appreciate.

[Derek]

It is hard to ruin a movie that features the best character ever.

Woah now. Judge Reinhold is great, but his greatest character is unquestionably Marshall Seymour in Vice Versa.

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[MacGuffin]

Woah now. Judge Reinhold is great, but his greatest character is unquestionably Marshall Seymour in Vice Versa.

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I was actually thinking of Axel Foley but Billy is right behind him.

[Qrazy]

haven't seen body of lies and doubt i ever will. i don't get blade runner at all. alien is the only ridley film i would give a positive rating.

The Duellists is quality.

[Rowland]

The Duellists is quality.It's much better than anything Tony has done.

[Qrazy]

It's much better than anything Tony has done.

Agreed.

[Philosophe_rouge]

The Hunger 6
Domino 8

[dreamdead]

Results:
Crimson Tide – 6.125 (8)
Man on Fire – 6.0416 (12)
True Romance – 5.975 (20)
Enemy of the State – 5.8889 (18)
The Hunger – 5.8571 (7)
Domino – 5.8333 (12)
DéjÃ* vu – 5.55 (10)
The Last Boy Scout – 4.875 (8)
Spy Game – 4.0556 (9)
Top Gun – 3.75 (20)
Beverly Hills Cop 2 – 3.6429 (7)
Days of Thunder – 3.2142 (7)
The Fan – 2.8333 (9)
Overall: 4.8955

Did Not Qualify:
One of the Missing – 7.5 (1)
Revenge – 3.75 (2)

Most viewed: Rowland and Morris
Biggest Fan: Daniel Davis
People who didn’t reward Tony Scott films with anything higher than a 3.5: Melville

[Melville]

People who didn’t reward Tony Scott films with anything higher than a 3.5: Melville
I'm totally pwning these threads.

[Ezee E]

That's the first time I've seen Crimson Tide on the top of any list.

[Rowland]

That's the first time I've seen Crimson Tide on the top of any list.I'm surprised by the high placements for Man on Fire and Domino.

[The Mike]

Sad I missed this one.

For fun....

The Hunger - 8.5
Top Gun - 6.5
The Last Boy Scout - 9.5
True Romance - 9
Crimson Tide -10
The Fan - 9
Enemy of the State - 7.5
Spy Game - 9.5
Beat the Devil - 8
Man on Fire - 5
Domino - 4
Deja Vu - 7.5


I has ADD. :lol:

[soitgoes...]

Sad I missed this one.

For fun....

The Hunger - 8.5
Top Gun - 6.5
The Last Boy Scout - 9.5
True Romance - 9
Crimson Tide -10
The Fan - 9
Enemy of the State - 7.5
Spy Game - 9.5
Beat the Devil - 8
Man on Fire - 5
Domino - 4
Deja Vu - 7.5


I has ADD. :lol:Just put it in the main consensus thread, and it should be counted at the end of the year.

EDIT: Really!?!? 9 for The Fan? 5 films over 9? Does. Not. Compute.

[transmogrifier]

That's the first time I've seen Crimson Tide on the top of any list.

And yet it's way better than our crappy consensus rating.

And Spy Game is as well.

[Yxklyx]

OK so to get into Tony Scott I should start with Crimson Tide?;)

[The Mike]

OK so to get into Tony Scott I should start with Crimson Tide?;)
That or True Romance. (Or, the two Tarantino was involved in....)

[Yxklyx]

That or True Romance. (Or, the two Tarantino was involved in....)

Actually I have caught part of Crimson Tide on TV. I remember some scenes of Viggo smoking before I knew who Viggo was.

[D_Davis]

The amount of ire thrown by Match Cut at the Scott brothers is the quirk about this place that I have the most trouble with.

Especially Ridley Scott - I think he has made some damn awesome movies. He's one of the directors who, in real life, all of my closest friends love, but according to the internets, he is a despicable hack of a director.

It's crazy I tell ya!

;)

[Ezee E]

Anyone that's directed Alien and Blade Runner deserves some respect.

I think he's a great director that tends to get a lot of mediocre scripts. G.I. Jane? Kingdom of Heaven? Yuck as scripts, but there is some amazing technical craft in both.

[D_Davis]

Anyone that's directed Alien and Blade Runner deserves some respect.

I think he's a great director that tends to get a lot of mediocre scripts. G.I. Jane? Kingdom of Heaven? Yuck as scripts, but there is some amazing technical craft in both.

I agree.

Visual panache is the main reason why I watch films, and the Scott brother deliver this in abundance.

I just dig their style.

[Sven]

I think he's a great director that tends to get a lot of mediocre scripts. G.I. Jane? Kingdom of Heaven? Yuck as scripts, but there is some amazing technical craft in both.

His scripts are what carry his good films. His craft, as a whole, is utterly commercial, without wit or originality. Kingdom of Heaven is as crafty as a really expensive deodorant commercial and GI Jane is a glorified advertisement for the Marines. Tony is far more twisted in his craft.

[Winston*]

His scripts are what carry his good films.

You think Alien's carried by its script?

[Sven]

You think Alien's carried by its script?

I misspoke, but I do not think the direction of Alien outdoes the script. The Duellists as well, I think he's in top visual form and the script is equally impressive. But in his passable films, Blade Runner (**1/2), Hannibal (****), and Matchstick Men (***), it's all in the script. The rest of his films are frequently ruined by his hackery.

[Winston*]

I misspoke, but I do not think the direction of Alien outdoes the script. The Duellists as well, I think he's in top visual form and the script is equally impressive. But in his passable films, Blade Runner (**1/2), Hannibal (****), and Matchstick Men (***), it's all in the script. The rest of his films are frequently ruined by his hackery.

Okay, then I agree I guess. Except that I think Hannibal is an awful movie with an awful script.

[D_Davis]

I think the script (or I guess the dialog, really) for Hannibal is awful, and yet it is one of my favorite Scott films, all because of how much atmosphere he creates through his shot selection and direction. I love the way the film looks; it is a masterpiece of the macabre.

[Sven]

There are very few films that I do not dare anymore to attempt an explanation as to why I like them. Hannibal is one of them. I keep watching it, thinking "This is the time that I'm going to see it for the crappy movie that it is." And each time, I love it more and more.

[D_Davis]

Hannibal is absurd, violent, scary, atmospheric, weird and beautiful in its grotesqueness. In many ways, it is exactly how I would want an adaptation of an HP Lovecraft story to turn out.

[Rowland]

I didn't find Hannibal all that grotesque. Mostly just dull and insipid, really. I'd take Silence of the Lambs any day... which reminds me that I still need to catch up with Manhunter.

[Rowland]

Speaking of Ridley, I kinda dug how he turned down the slickness for American Gangster, which looks the least like a shiny car commercial of any film he's made in decades. The single full-out action sequence in that movie, being the raid on the drug lab in the third act, was executed with exhilarating kinetic flair as well, which he also brought to Black Hawk Down, that probably being his most exciting action movie from a directorial standpoint, and also possibly his most problematic for the very same reason.

[Ezee E]

Gladiator is a silly, silly script that works for me because of the look of the movie. There's a certain beauty at the beginning of the movie as that war scene approaches, whether it's the arrows in the sky, the barbarians evolving from the forest, or the sound selection as the troops rally.

Then the work in the gladiator stadiums, each fight being better than anything in its many remake attempts (Troy, Alexander).

[Winston*]

Then the work in the gladiator stadiums, each fight being better than anything in its many remake attempts (Troy, Alexander).

The show Rome had an great one.

[Ezee E]

Speaking of Ridley, I kinda dug how he turned down the slickness for American Gangster, which looks the least like a shiny car commercial of any film he's made in decades. The single full-out action sequence in that movie, being the raid on the drug lab in the third act, was executed with exhilarating kinetic flair as well, which he also brought to Black Hawk Down, that probably being his most exciting action movie from a directorial standpoint, and also possibly his most problematic for the very same reason.
Ah, crap, I forgot all about Black Hawk Down. Its battles are as chaotic and viscerating as the scenes in Saving Private Ryan.

Damn... Yes, Ridley has some duds. But he's got skill.

Tony, I can't find much to say about him.

[Ezee E]

The show Rome had an great one.
Couldn't get past that first disc.

[eternity]

Top Gun- 1
Beverly Hills Cop 2- 5
Days of Thunder- 1
The Last Boy Scout- 3
True Romance- 6
Enemy of the State- 5
Spy Game- 5
Man on Fire- 4
Domino- 6
Deja Vu- 3

Yeah, I don't really like anything he's ever done.