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B-side
09-27-2008, 09:43 AM
Just finished Teorema, my first Pasolini. A great, great film. I'm anxious to see Salò if only to have a stance on it.
Mysterious Dude
09-27-2008, 02:00 PM
Accattone (1961) ***
Mamma Roma (1962) ****
The Gospel According to St. Matthew (1964) ****
Oedipus Rex (1967) ****
The Decameron (1971) ****
Salò (1975) [zero stars]
Kurious Jorge v3.1
09-27-2008, 05:12 PM
Accattone - 79
Momma Roma - 88
La Riccotta - 72
Gospel According to St. Matthew - 91
Hawks and Sparrows - 77
Porcile - 20
Teorema - 72
Arabian Nights - 55
Salo - 40

Porcile is garbage. Salo is pretty awful as well.
eternity
09-27-2008, 07:45 PM
Salo - 3

It seemed completely devoid of substance, and I was incredibly indifferent to everything about it. If it weren't for Morricone's score, it'd probably be a 0 only because it would be completely devoid of any positives, though it must be repeated that I didn't have nearly as much of a problem with its torture..
Spinal
09-27-2008, 09:42 PM
Mandatory post defending the artistic intentions of Salo which have been well documented and are quite clear and powerful when watching the film.
B-side
09-27-2008, 09:51 PM
Mandatory post defending the artistic intentions of Salo which have been well documented and are quite clear and powerful when watching the film.

Why do you think it is that so many people don't see the artistic intentions behind it? Or, for that matter, if they do see the intentions, why do you think it's so hard for them to like the film? Besides the obvious lack of appeal of some of the situations, of course...
Epistemophobia
09-27-2008, 10:39 PM
Ranked:

Teorema
Il Decameron
Mamma Roma
Oedipus Rex
The Gospel According to St. Matthew
Hawks and Sparrows
Medea
Arabian Nights
The Canterbury Tales
Salò

I actually didn't like him at first, but he's grown on me. As I've said before, I don't hate Salò. It just does little for me.
B-side
09-27-2008, 11:05 PM
Ranked:

Teorema
Il Decameron
Mamma Roma
Oedipus Rex
The Gospel According to St. Matthew
Hawks and Sparrows
Medea
Arabian Nights
The Canterbury Tales
Salò

I actually didn't like him at first, but he's grown on me. As I've said before, I don't hate Salò. It just does little for me.

Teorema has a decent chance of going up on a 2nd viewing. I've read analysis that calls it critique of the Italian middle class, but I read it as more of a relative mockery of religion. That could be way off base, but it kinda seemed like it. The messiah comes in and seduces the bodies and minds of the family, but not before they've given themselves to him. He's quiet and attractive, but he doesn't force anything. He's simply there. If you remember, he was never the one that started the seduction. So when he leaves, the family is lost and confused. The daughter goes catatonic, the mother goes silent and eats nettles, the father strips naked and travels the desert(I'm working on this) and the son questions his artistic integrity and throws himself wholly into his art.
SirNewt
09-28-2008, 02:23 AM
Why do you think it is that so many people don't see the artistic intentions behind it? Or, for that matter, if they do see the intentions, why do you think it's so hard for them to like the film? Besides the obvious lack of appeal of some of the situations, of course...

Sometimes, whether you like a piece of art or not is irrelevant. Sometimes the inability to dismiss it is enough to validate it.
Spinal
09-28-2008, 02:29 AM
Why do you think it is that so many people don't see the artistic intentions behind it? Or, for that matter, if they do see the intentions, why do you think it's so hard for them to like the film? Besides the obvious lack of appeal of some of the situations, of course...

Probably because there's no likable, relatable characters there to assure us that everything will be OK or at least offer some kind of clear resistance to the atrocities that are being committed.
B-side
09-28-2008, 03:41 AM
Sometimes, whether you like a piece of art or not is irrelevant. Sometimes the inability to dismiss it is enough to validate it.

I suppose.


Probably because there's no likable, relatable characters there to assure us that everything will be OK or at least offer some kind of clear resistance to the atrocities that are being committed.

Since when are those things necessary?
Derek
09-28-2008, 03:54 AM
Since when are those things necessary?

Heh. You haven't been around MatchCut long, have you? :)

Salo, or The 120 Days of Sodom - 8.5
Accattone - 8.5
The Gospel According to St. Matthew - 8.0
Oedipus Rex - 6.5
Medea - 6.5
The Hawks and the Sparrows - 6.0
Teorema - 6.0
B-side
09-28-2008, 08:34 AM
Heh. You haven't been around MatchCut long, have you? :)

Salo, or The 120 Days of Sodom - 8.5
Accattone - 8.5
The Gospel According to St. Matthew - 8.0
Oedipus Rex - 6.5
Medea - 6.5
The Hawks and the Sparrows - 6.0
Teorema - 6.0

No.:P

But still, what do you mean, exactly?
Ezee E
09-28-2008, 12:09 PM
Only seen The Gospel... which was nothing more than mediocre. I'll try Salo because of the craziness. We'll see after that.

Look for him on next year's consensus most likely.
B-side
09-29-2008, 08:25 AM
Only seen The Gospel... which was nothing more than mediocre. I'll try Salo because of the craziness. We'll see after that.

Look for him on next year's consensus most likely.

Interesting. I've been told The Gospel is among his best.
B-side
09-30-2008, 12:11 AM
:pritch:
Yxklyx
09-30-2008, 12:12 AM
Accattone - 7
Mamma Roma - 8
The Hawks and the Sparrows - 4
Teorema - 8
origami_mustache
09-30-2008, 03:11 AM
Mama Roma - 9.5
"La Ricotta" from Ro.Go.Pa.G. - 9
Accattone - 8
Porcile - 8
Teorema - 8
Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom - 4 libertines one cup
The Hawks and The Sparrows - 6.5
Oedipus Rex - 5
SirNewt
09-30-2008, 09:58 PM
Interesting. I've been told The Gospel is among his best.

Well, after he died, I think it was Rossellini who said something like "Poor Pasolini if only he'd kept writing films instead of trying to make them."
B-side
10-01-2008, 12:27 AM
Well, after he died, I think it was Rossellini who said something like "Poor Pasolini if only he'd kept writing films instead of trying to make them."

I'm not sure I understand.
SirNewt
10-01-2008, 01:07 AM
I'm not sure I understand.


Well, after he (Pasolini) died, I think it was Rossellini who said something like "Poor Pasolini if only he'd kept writing films instead of trying to make (direct) them."

I meant to imply that perhaps Pasolini's best just isn't all that great.
B-side
10-01-2008, 03:59 AM
Well, after he (Pasolini) died, I think it was Rossellini who said something like "Poor Pasolini if only he'd kept writing films instead of trying to make (direct) them."

I meant to imply that perhaps Pasolini's best just isn't all that great.

You sly dog, you.