Green Lantern (2011)

[megladon8]

Brian Murray posted some artwork he did for the potentially maybe happening sometime down the line if things go well and they think it could make good money Green Lantern movie.

Here's a link (http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=35395) to the article, but I'll save you 2 seconds and post the images right here...

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[Grouchy]

I always thought a very good Green Lantern movie could and should be made.

It's gonna be expensive as all fuck, though.

[Acapelli]

that concept art looks pretty lame

[number8]

I can't think of a Green Lantern movie I'd like to see. I think I'd be more interested in a comedy version.

[Dukefrukem]

that concept art looks pretty lame

agreed.

[Lasse]

I know next to nothing about the character, so I'm not going to say anything for or against making a Green Lantern movie, but that concept art doesn't make me interested in a movie at all. :|

[megladon8]

I agree the artwork is pretty bland, but I'll say this...

I'm glad they're going with Hal Jordan.

The idea of having Common front these movies never sat well with me.

[Grouchy]

I agree the artwork is pretty bland, but I'll say this...

I'm glad they're going with Hal Jordan.

The idea of having Common front these movies never sat well with me.
Hal Jordan = Jim Caviezel
John Stewart = Denzel
Kyle Rayner = Jared Leto
Guy Gardner = Owen Wilson

[Acapelli]

Hal Jordan = Jim Caviezel
John Stewart = Denzel
Kyle Rayner = Jared Leto
Guy Gardner = Owen Wilson
i don't like any of these fantasy castings

[bac0n]

I think the whole idea of Hal Jordan having these powers that he never wanted thrust upon him, and then the movie exploring the whole angle of the reluctant hero could make for a good movie.

[Acapelli]

I think the whole idea of Hal Jordan having these powers that he never wanted thrust upon him, and then the movie exploring the whole angle of the reluctant hero could make for a good movie.
they might as well make a movie based on the current secret origin arc, sans any allusions to blackest night

who would play sinestro?

[bac0n]

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/dc/common_images/gallery/sinestro.jpg

http://www.cinemaartscentre.org/images/nov06/John-Waters.jpg

[MadMan]

bac0n that is just eerie and uncanny.

[Dukefrukem]

Script Review (http://latinoreview.com/script-reviews/84)

Ryan Gosling is in talks to play Hal?

[bac0n]

Script Review (http://latinoreview.com/script-reviews/84)

Ryan Gosling is in talks to play Hal?

Damn, that script looks good. And I can see Ryan Gosling as a credible Green Lantern.

[Grouchy]

Heheh, that guy's anger about the crystal meth issue is pretty funny. Not that he's wrong or anything, though.

The script sounds very good. I'm only hoping they get someone a little less wimp-looking than Gosling.

[megladon8]

Chris Evans should play Hal Jordan.

[megladon8]

Martin Campbell is in talks to direct the film. (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117999580.html?categoryid=1 3&cs=1)

That would be fantastic. He did two of the best Bond films, and I quite liked The Mask of Zorro.

[megladon8]

Well, it has a release date. (http://www.cinematical.com/2009/02/24/green-lantern-sherlock-potter-finale-nab-release-dates/)

December 17, 2010

[Watashi]

Bradley Cooper is close into being cast as Hal Jordan. (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/05/bradley-cooper-close-to-being-cast-as-the-green-lantern/)

[Acapelli]

hmm not bad

[megladon8]

Bradley Cooper is close into being cast as Hal Jordan. (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/05/bradley-cooper-close-to-being-cast-as-the-green-lantern/)


Eeeehhh...I haven't really seen anything that convinces me he could carry a movie like this. But then again, he's never been given much to work with.

He certainly isn't my first choice. But he isn't my last, either.

[Watashi]

I think it's perfect casting.

[megladon8]

I think it's perfect casting.


That's good.

I'm not sold yet, but I'm hoping for the best.

[EvilShoe]

He was one of the few things I liked about Alias. I like this casting choice.

[Morris Schæffer]

He was one of the few things I liked about Alias. I like this casting choice.

Yeah, he was cool in that. So Shoe, how about Star Trek? I'm going tonight!!!!!!

Will you see it?

[Skitch]

This smells of Daredevil/Elecktra fair.

[EvilShoe]

Yeah, he was cool in that. So Shoe, how about Star Trek? I'm going tonight!!!!!!

Will you see it?
I didn't think I'd end up seeing this in theaters, but it's hard to ignore the positive buzz.
I'll probably see it later this week, or early next week.

[Dukefrukem]

Bradley Cooper is close into being cast as Hal Jordan. (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/05/bradley-cooper-close-to-being-cast-as-the-green-lantern/)

I like it.

[number8]

He's great, and physically correct, but I dunno, Hal Jordan? Hal Jordan's... Hm.

Cooper's more like the Kyle Rayner type.

[Grouchy]

Regardless of the casting, I have a good feeling about this.

[bac0n]

He's great, and physically correct, but I dunno, Hal Jordan? Hal Jordan's... Hm.

Cooper's more like the Kyle Rayner type.

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I would expect Hal Jordan would be played by someone in their mid 30s, but according to a plot treatment I read earlier, Hal Jordan is gonna be in his 20s. So, whatever.

[megladon8]

David Caruso should be Hal Jordan.

He's got the red hair and everything.

[Acapelli]

hal isn't a redhead

[megladon8]

hal isn't a redhead


He's not blonde like Bradley Cooper, either :P

But yeah, I was thinking of Wally West for some reason.

[Fezzik]

David Caruso should be Hal Jordan.

He's got the red hair and everything.

His sunglasses shall save us all.

[number8]

"In brightest day, in blackest night,
No evil shall escape my sight
Let those who worship evil's might,
Beware my power... Green Lantern's light!"

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAHHHHHHH!!!!

[megladon8]

So now the news is that Shawn Roberts is in the running to play Hal.

My guess?

Nobody has any fucking clue who will play Hal.

[number8]

Fanmade trailer with Nathan Fillion as Hal. This is incredibly well made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs

[bac0n]

Fanmade trailer with Nathan Fillion as Hal. This is incredibly well made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs

Wow. That was frickin' awesome!

[Watashi]

What was the scene from the end from? Firefly?

[number8]

What was the scene from the end from? Firefly?

White Noise 2.

[Dukefrukem]

I love Fillion.

[bac0n]

Yeah, casting Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan would totally make my day.

[Watashi]

It's official. Ryan Reynolds is the Green Lantern. (http://www.cinematical.com/2009/07/10/breaking-ryan-reynolds-is-the-green-lantern/)

[number8]

This is going to be interesting. Pretty sure Marvel's going to go with someone else for Deadpool now, or axe the project altogether.

[Ezee E]

This is going to be interesting. Pretty sure Marvel's going to go with someone else for Deadpool now, or axe the project altogether.
I'll guess axeing it.

I'm wondering when Channing Tatum will get his franchise role.

[number8]

I'm wondering when Channing Tatum will get his franchise role.

He already has one, if G.I. Joe becomes a success.

[EvilShoe]

I think Blade: Trinity killed the chances of me ever liking Reynolds.

[Skitch]

I think Blade: Trinity killed the chances of me ever liking Reynolds.

He was the only thing worth anything in that flick. It was so bad, at least he was amusing.

[Acapelli]

This is going to be interesting. Pretty sure Marvel's going to go with someone else for Deadpool now, or axe the project altogether.
i could see him as deadpool still working, if they choose to have him in the mask/face scarred like he is in the comics. the characters are different enough for it to still work

[Fezzik]

He was the only thing worth anything in that flick. It was so bad, at least he was amusing.

Agreed. He was about the only thing that kept me from throwing things at the screen whenever Parker Posey was on it.

Plus, he called her a 'cock guzzling thunder cunt' - I mean, how can that be bad? :D

[Dukefrukem]

Ok time to catch up.

This is shitty btw. Shitty shitty shitty.

[Ivan Drago]

He's went from Van Wilder to Green Lantern. Interesting career turnaround.

[Skitch]

Rubberface to The Riddler.

[Raiders]

Just thought, as the resident Reynolds lover, I would chime in that I would much rather see him as Deadpool than Green Lantern and with the built-in fanbase he (may have) generated from the Wolverine film, I'm surprised this is the project more likely to win out.

[Ivan Drago]

Just thought, as the resident Reynolds lover, I would chime in that I would much rather see him as Deadpool than Green Lantern and with the built-in fanbase he (may) have generated from the Wolverine film, I'm surprised this is the project more likely to win out.

As would I, upon learning more about the Deadpool character. I'm surprised he chose Green Lantern as well, because I do remember him saying somewhere that Reynolds himself loves the Deadpool character.

[megladon8]

Yeah, Reynolds is a huge fan of Deadpool.

I really wish it had been Nathan Fillion. Not only would he be the perfect Hal Jordan, but he deserves a nice starring role like this.

[Acapelli]

Just thought, as the resident Reynolds lover, I would chime in that I would much rather see him as Deadpool than Green Lantern and with the built-in fanbase he (may have) generated from the Wolverine film, I'm surprised this is the project more likely to win out.
read in ew last week (i have a free subscription) that he still plans to do both

[megladon8]

Bradley Cooper didn't get the role because he tried to sound like Christian Bale's Batman. (http://www.collider.com/2009/08/27/bradley-cooper-talks-a-team-and-his-green-lantern-audition-on-the-tonight-show/)

:lol:

[bac0n]

Bradley Cooper didn't get the role because he tried to sound like Christian Bale's Batman. (http://www.collider.com/2009/08/27/bradley-cooper-talks-a-team-and-his-green-lantern-audition-on-the-tonight-show/)

:lol:

Egad. If that was what he thought Green Lantern was supposed to be like, then he had no business getting the role.

[Ezee E]

Cooper is a funny guy. He talked about how he still made gun noises when he shoots them on scene.

[Grouchy]

Cooper is a funny guy. He talked about how he still made gun noises when he shoots them on scene.
Imagine the people who got to play Jedi Knights in the new trilogy like Samuel Jackson or Ewan McGregor. How did they manage to stop saying: "shwooowsh" everytime they moved the sword?

[number8]

Imagine the people who got to play Jedi Knights in the new trilogy like Samuel Jackson or Ewan McGregor. How did they manage to stop saying: "shwooowsh" everytime they moved the sword?

They didn't. Hayden ran around the Clones set making those noises, and George Lucas walked up behind him and said, "We have a sound effects department, you know."

[megladon8]

Sinestro may be played by Jackie Earl Haley. (http://movies.ign.com/articles/103/1036235p1.html)

And Superman might make a cameo in the movie.

[EyesWideOpen]

Sinestro may be played by Jackie Earl Haley. (http://movies.ign.com/articles/103/1036235p1.html)

And Superman might make a cameo in the movie.

I refuse to care about comic book/video game movie news until they start filming because 99% of the announced movies never get made.

[Grouchy]

I refuse to care about comic book/video game movie news until they start filming because 99% of the announced movies never get made.
Nah, this one will get made.

Actually, your entire statement is untrue.

[EyesWideOpen]

Nah, this one will get made.

Actually, your entire statement is untrue.

They've been talking about Green Lantern for like three years now, originally it was gonna be a comedy with Jack Black starring. I'll believe it when I see it.

[megladon8]

They've been talking about Green Lantern for like three years now, originally it was gonna be a comedy with Jack Black starring. I'll believe it when I see it.


The fact that Ryan Reynolds signed a contract to start filming next year, and locations are being booked for the shoot, isn't enough?

[Dukefrukem]

I refuse to care about comic book/video game movie news until they start filming because 99% of the announced movies never get made.

It's still fun to discuss mr ionlycareaboutnewswhenit'soffi cial.

[EyesWideOpen]

It's still fun to discuss mr ionlycareaboutnewswhenit'soffi cial.

I know it's so fun isn't it? What do you think about the news that Angelina Jolie is gonna be Catwoman in Batman 3? That would be epic!

[megladon8]

I know it's so fun isn't it? What do you think about the news that Angelina Jolie is gonna be Catwoman in Batman 3? That would be epic!


Did she sign on? No.

Did Ryan Reynolds actually sign a contract for Green Lantern? Yes.

And it's filming next year.

It's happening.

[Dukefrukem]

Even if it wasn't happening... how cool would it be if it did!?

[bac0n]

Sinestro may be played by Jackie Earl Haley. (http://movies.ign.com/articles/103/1036235p1.html)

And Superman might make a cameo in the movie.

A script treatment that I read......had the ring pass by Clark Kent and Guy Gardner in its search for the next Green Lantern, so yeah, Superman makes a cameo, but not in his tights.
Also, I hope hope hope that Sinestro starts out as a good guy like he did in GL:Secret Origin, and doesn't go rogue until perhaps the sequel.

[number8]

The Jackie Earle Haley as Sinestro thing was a fake rumor, by the way.

[Skitch]

Tim Robbins is Senator Hammond. (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=26963)

[megladon8]

Reynolds won't be wearing the Green Lantern costume in this movie. (http://www.cinematical.com/2010/04/12/green-lantern-flies-without-a-costume/)

That is, the costume will be added with CGI later on.

[number8]

It makes sense, actually.

[megladon8]

It makes sense, actually.


Yes, because of the nature of the GL costume.

I wouldn't want to see this become a trend, though. CGI clothing.

[KK2.0]

it started with Pirates of the Caribbean in fact. Davy Jones and his crew are actors in tracking suits, costumes and makeup are entirely digital.

[Watashi]

Well, considering how awful the costumes of X-Men, Batman, and Superman have looked, it makes sense to generate the costume from scratch.

[megladon8]

Well, considering how awful the costumes of X-Men, Batman, and Superman have looked, it makes sense to generate the costume from scratch.


Whaaaa??

[number8]

Assuming you're talking about the new movies.

X-Men - The black leather thing was just lunacy. I'm not sure if Cyclops' "What'd you prefer, yellow spandex?" line helped or made it worse.

Batman - Batman Begins' costume was terrible. TDK was actually pretty cool-looking.

Superman - I can take it or leave it. Dug the shiny cape, hated the embossed logo and the belt.

[megladon8]

What the hell was terrible about the Batman Begins costume?

Aside from the non-functional neck, I liked it better than the costume in The Dark Knight.

[number8]

The cowl is disproportionately sized to the body and he looks like a fat guy wearing uncomfortable armor.

I much prefer TDK's biker-suit look.

[megladon8]

The cowl is disproportionately sized to the body and he looks like a fat guy wearing uncomfortable armor.

I much prefer TDK's biker-suit look.


Despite it being non-functional, I loved the neck of the BB costume. As Bale put it in an interview, it makes him look like a panther.


But hey, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say one of my favorite superhero costumes thus far was Daredevil. The movie sucked, but the costume hit all the right notes for real-world functionality, honoring the source material, and just lookin' good on film.

[Skitch]

Despite it being non-functional, I loved the neck of the BB costume. As Bale put it in an interview, it makes him look like a panther.


But hey, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say one of my favorite superhero costumes thus far was Daredevil. The movie sucked, but the costume hit all the right notes for real-world functionality, honoring the source material, and just lookin' good on film.

I'm with ya. I appreciate the BB suit as a 'year one' model, but agree with the upgraded TDK model. The X-Men suits looked ripped off from Torque.

[megladon8]

I never liked the costumes in X-Men, but some of the characters had specific outfits that were straight out of the comics and looked great.

Specifically in X2 and a good chunk of Wolverine...

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4320/gallerywolverine.jpg

The white muscle shirt and blue jeans are one of Wolverine's main outfits in the comics, movies and videogames. I think it's a more appropriate use of stark colour contrast than his traditional yellow and blue spandex, which - given the fairly serious tone of the movie(s) - would have been garish.

[number8]

Yeesh.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100714/EW-1112-cover-comiccon_308.jpg

[[ETM]]

I liked how the X-Men costumes worked within the reality of the films. The trouble is - when they applied that same visual style to, say, Thor, it just looks ridiculous.

And Green Lantern's mask in that pic is just... funny.

[Watashi]

Get rid of the mask, and it's a good costume.

Wait... is his hair also green? What the fuck?

[number8]

Er, no it's not.

[Wryan]

Wait... is his hair also green? What the fuck?

LIGHTING!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/en.futurama/images/thumb/b/b3/Calculon-2.JPG/300px-Calculon-2.JPG

[megladon8]

I don't see what's wrong with the costume.

He looks like Green Lantern to me.

[Grouchy]

The weird green exo-skeleton thingy: high five.

The mask: thumbs down. Seriously, no mask is ok, I think.

[Acapelli]

i wish he had the white gloves

and blake lively looks awful as carol ferris

[[ETM]]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100727/CC10-Nathan-Fillion_320.jpg

Just for laughs.

[Dukefrukem]

He's awesome.

[megladon8]

I think the white gloves would have looked terrible in a live action film.

I maintain that I see nothing wrong with the costume. He looks like Green Lantern.

[megladon8]

Wow, some very cool news/speculation for GL fans.

A supposed leak from the set of this film states that Martin Campbell and Ryan Reynolds are in talks with Warner Bros. to turn this into the next Lord of the Rings-type franchise.

That is, they are possibly going to begin filming Green Lantern 2 early next year, before the first movie is even in theatres. Then, they would do the same thing with the third movie.

They would release one movie a year for three years, and all while each will be stand-alone, they will all tell one large story.

[bac0n]

Wow, some very cool news/speculation for GL fans.

A supposed leak from the set of this film states that Martin Campbell and Ryan Reynolds are in talks with Warner Bros. to turn this into the next Lord of the Rings-type franchise.

That is, they are possibly going to begin filming Green Lantern 2 early next year, before the first movie is even in theatres. Then, they would do the same thing with the third movie.

They would release one movie a year for three years, and all while each will be stand-alone, they will all tell one large story.

What story tho? What would be cool is if they were to be able to make the first movie like Secret Origin, and the next two like Sinestro Corps War.

That would be so flippin choice.

[megladon8]

What story tho? What would be cool is if they were to be able to make the first movie like Secret Origin, and the next two like Sinestro Corps War.

That would be so flippin choice.


Not sure. All I know is that (according to Ryan Reynolds at ComicCon) the first film is definitely very much "Secret Origin"-inspired.

[Morris Schæffer]

25 secs of footage:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47434

Looks utterly goofy.

[eternity]

25 secs of footage:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47434

Looks utterly goofy.
The full body shot of Reynolds in the suit looked atrocious. Really, really atrocious.

[megladon8]

Maybe it's just Ryan Reynolds' delivery, but they seem to be playing Hal Jordan as Wally West in green.

They really cast this wrong.

[Irish]

The full body shot of Reynolds in the suit looked atrocious. Really, really atrocious.

I still don't understand why they CGI'd the costume completely.

[megladon8]

I still don't understand why they CGI'd the costume completely.


I get the impression it's because of it morphing quite often, and it having that glow to it.

But yeah...it looks terrible.

[megladon8]

I'd also like to know why a lot of it has the look of a TV show/movie.

The cinematography is really cheap looking.

[bac0n]

Wow, that footage doesn't bode well for the movie.

[[ETM]]

I'd like to know how everyone knows it looks awful from a 360p Youtube video, which is, like, five-time re-compressed VHS footage in terms of quality? I don't really see anything in there, it's pretty much a big blur.

[Grouchy]

Nah, I saw it pretty well. It looks watchable but a bit like a TV movie.

[bac0n]

Nah, I saw it pretty well. It looks watchable but a bit like a TV movie.

yeah, well put.

[bac0n]

Ya know, if they ever decide to add Guy Gardner to the franchise, I have the perfect casting:

http://www.serie-france.net/img/actus/image/dollhouse/mai_08/Ttahmoh.jpg

Tahmoh Penikett. Dye his hair red, cut it about the same length it was in BSG, and you have yourself Guy Gardner. He even has the swagger down.

[Dukefrukem]

Full trailer is being released today on ET, and also before Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1.

[number8]

Looks like an appropriate Green Lantern movie to me.

[megladon8]

Looks like an appropriate Green Lantern movie to me.


Why? You think an appropriate Green Lantern movie would suck balls?

[Watashi]

Here is the full trailer.

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Needs more Kilawog.

[Irish]

Maybe it's just Ryan Reynolds' delivery, but they seem to be playing Hal Jordan as Wally West in green.

They really cast this wrong.

The more clips I see, the more I think you're dead on.

Now you've got it in my head that a Ryan Reynolds/ Flash movie would have been 10x more interesting than this GL shite.

[Watashi]

Jensen Ackles should have played Hal.

[MadMan]

I would rather see a Wally West/The Flash movie, but then I'm a huge fan of The Flash.

That trailer was okay, I guess. Some of it had shades of the Iron Man movies.

[bac0n]

I, uh, sorta liked it. Glad they're playing up Hector Hammond as a main villain to start out.

[Acapelli]

costume looks way better in hd

blake lively does not work as carol ferris. dc does a terrible job of casting female actresses

[megladon8]

I'm just really, really hoping that not all of the dialogue (and delivery of the dialogue) is not as bad as what was shown in that trailer.

I'm warming up to the look of the movie. But I'm very, very concerned.

[BuffaloWilder]

What Megs said - I'm actually loving just how the movie looks, a least insofar as any of the more dynamic sequences we're getting shown go. But, all the character moments they're deciding to showcase - well, they look like they're from a Martin Campbell movie.


Which means they're basically undifferentiatable from any other b-movie studio-for-hire workman, actually. Campbell's funny, that way - he's an excellent, although not all that unique, craftsman. But, even in Casino Royale, whenever he tries his hand at character introspection, it just comes off as hollow and silly.

[megladon8]

I find Martin Campbell to actually be a great action director. He can put together some great set-pieces that are exciting, convincing and well shot.


All of my worries now lie with the script. I'm warming up to the incredibly artificial look of the movie - I don't think there's a single location shot in that entire trailer.

But if the dialogue is consistently as bad as what is showcased there, well...that's going to be a very bad movie.

[number8]

Ha, that trailer is great. They're going for the Silver Age doofus Hal Jordan rather than the boring Geoff Johns "can do no wrong" Jordan. Good.

[Irish]

Ha, that trailer is great. They're going for the Silver Age doofus Hal Jordan rather than the boring Geoff Johns "can do no wrong" Jordan. Good.

I think that's going to backfire on them in a big way. Comic book movies are already -- apologies in advance -- goofy enough without broad humor.

General audiences are going to have a tough time accepting this kind of premise right off the bat (guy find magic jewelry in the desert and now he has superpowers?). Broad, obvious humor isn't going to help that.

Nevermind the over-the-top clownish looking costume (there's a reason why XMen costumes looked like biker leathers and Spiderman spent so much time outside the mask. )

[Henry Gale]

To me, this looks more like Fantastic Four than... any good superhero ones from the last decade. I get serious '90s comic book movie vibes from a lot of the footage, particularly in a lot of the effects make-up.

The non-costume effects looked really nice, though.

[Watashi]

http://bit.ly/9swKeW

I can't stop laughing at this picture.

[Sven]

I can't stop laughing at this picture.

Haha. You're right. It's hilarious. It looks like it's from The Incredibles.

[Dukefrukem]

The CGI isn't finished right?

[number8]

There's a great Silver Age convention that Hal is ALWAYS getting knocked unconscious, and half the time by himself. It's a hilarious thing that I hope to see in this movie.

I mean, this is the Green Lantern I want to see.

http://luchins.com/dickery/GL33cockpunch.jpg

http://luchins.com/dickery/JLA62hal_yellow_tile.jpg

http://luchins.com/dickery/GL5hal_KOed.jpg

[bac0n]

Well once upon a time there were rumors of them creating a Green Lantern movie as a comedy, with Jack Black playing Hal. I'm sure it would have included lots of slapstick moments like that.

Needless to say, that idea went over like a fart in church.

[megladon8]

It's amazing how the crappiness of that costume would be reduced 1000 fold by removing the mask.

[DavidSeven]

People Magazine (Time Warner) announces Ryan Reynolds is the Sexiest Man Alive the same day that the trailer for The Green Lantern (Warner Bros.) makes its debut. What an incredible coincidence! Synergy schmynergy!

[Irish]

People Magazine (Time Warner) announces Ryan Reynolds is the Sexiest Man Alive the same day that the trailer for The Green Lantern (Warner Bros.) makes its debut. What an incredible coincidence! Synergy schmynergy!

:lol:

[Grouchy]

My main problem is that when Abin Sur says "Who are you?" and the guy says "Hal Jordan", my first thought was "No you're not, you're Ryan Reynolds looking ridiculous in green photoshop".

[megladon8]

Is anyone else bothered by Blake Lively's delivery?

"This test is important!"

That was just...awful.

Then even worse..."you have the power to overcome fear!"

Blech...

Again, I hope this isn't indicative of all the dialogue in the movie.

[Grouchy]

The entire trailer is a piece of shit. I say the sooner we accept that, the sooner we move on with our lives and stuff.

[megladon8]

The entire trailer is a piece of shit. I say the sooner we accept that, the sooner we move on with our lives and stuff.


It's not, though. I was actually kind of giddy seeing Oa. They really nailed it.

And the characters all look great. Sinestro, Kilawog, Hector Hammond...they got them all down to a T.

And the space stuff all looks pretty cool.

I just want at least a half-decent script.

[Ezee E]

LOL @ Sarsgaard.

[DavidSeven]

For the record, this film looks like utter poo. Lively might have compromised her upstart career in those horrendous few seconds. To think that people were paid substantial sums of money to make something look that unbelievably stupid is pretty depressing. I can't fathom how anyone could want to see this.

[megladon8]

For the record, this film looks like utter poo. Lively might have compromised her upstart career in those horrendous few seconds. To think that people were paid substantial sums of money to make something look that unbelievably stupid is pretty depressing. I can't fathom how anyone could want to see this.


You're just mister positive lately, aren't you?

:P

[Watashi]

For the record, this film looks like utter poo. Lively might have compromised her upstart career in those horrendous few seconds. To think that people were paid substantial sums of money to make something look that unbelievably stupid is pretty depressing. I can't fathom how anyone could want to see this.
I can fathom really easily. My ability to fathom overrules your inability to fathom by quite a bit.

[Fezzik]

I like to give films like this the benefit of the doubt, and I typically like Reynolds (even in movies that are less than stellar), but this looks like a piece of fucking tripe.

He never should have been cast as Hal Jordan, and Lively proves again that she just can't act.

The only DC character Reynolds should have ever been connected to is Barry Allen.

The CG I'll overlook because I wager it's unfinished.

I just hope this flops hard so RR can focus on Deadpool. Face it, thats the superhero role he was born to play.

[bac0n]

I have a feeling that even if Ryan Reynolds lays an egg and whatsernuts does too, Mark Strong's Sinestro will have enough legs to make the movie worthwhile.

And Sinestro has always been a much more interesting character than any of the (other) Lanterns.

[Dukefrukem]

I just hope this flops hard so RR can focus on Deadpool. Face it, thats the superhero role he was born to play.

A superhero that barely speaks and doesn't have an alter ego?

Is the reason why he was cast as two superheros is because one is DC and the other is Marvel?

[bac0n]

A superhero that barely speaks and doesn't have an alter ego?

You don't know much about Deadpool then. There's a reason they call him The Merc with the Mouth.

[Dukefrukem]

You don't know much about Deadpool then. There's a reason they call him The Merc with the Mouth.

That's right he's a wisecracker isn't he? Yeh I forgot.

[number8]

Wisecracker is putting it lightly. Deadpool doesn't shut up ever.

[Dukefrukem]

I guess I was thinking of the movie, didn't they staple is mouth shut?

[number8]

I guess I was thinking of the movie, didn't they staple is mouth shut?

Probably because he talks too much.

[Sven]

I love Deadpool. Been reading a lot of the old issues lately, by Nicieza and Kelly. Had no idea they were planning a film. That's not really cause for excitement.

[Fezzik]

I guess I was thinking of the movie, didn't they staple is mouth shut?


They did, but RR and the producers have come out and said that isnt the Deadpool they're making into the film.

They've also confirmed that he'll break the fourth wall like he does in the comics. I'm looking forward to the film.

[Raiders]

It's just going to be kind of awkward to have Reynolds play two comic book "heroes" in the span of (less than?) two years. He also is much better suited to Deadpool and this film looks like shit. Why must it even exist dammit???

[Irish]

It's just going to be kind of awkward to have Reynolds play two comic book "heroes" in the span of (less than?) two years.

Christian Bale did it. Kinda. Sorta.

[number8]

Chris Evans.

[Raiders]

Bale isn't really at all the same thing and Evans' projects were not nearly of the same exposure. Granted, I'm not saying it will be an actual issue here, and I'm certain the general public won't care, it just seems generally a little awkward to have two potential large multi-film comic book franchises running concurrently with the same actor as the central figure.

[number8]

What do you mean by not the same exposure? Fantastic Four was a hit and Captain America will be huge. If anything, Deadpool has nowhere near the franchise potential.

I do find it funny that people always forget that Reynolds has already played two Marvel heroes before GL.

[Raiders]

What do you mean by not the same exposure? Fantastic Four was a hit and Captain America will be huge. If anything, Deadpool has nowhere near the franchise potential.

I do find it funny that people always forget that Reynolds has already played two Marvel heroes before GL.

I forgot all about Captain America. I thought you were referencing The Losers. Yeah, I guess it is the same, though again they aren't running concurrently which is really my whole point.

[Irish]

.. it just seems generally a little awkward to have two potential large multi-film comic book franchises running concurrently with the same actor as the central figure.

Huh? How do Batman & the Terminator fall outside the scope of this statement?

[megladon8]

Huh? How do Batman & the Terminator fall outside the scope of this statement?


...because Terminator isn't a comic book, nor is John Connor a superhero?

[Raiders]

Huh? How do Batman & the Terminator fall outside the scope of this statement?

Terminator is not originally a comic book franchise and is not generally recognized as such.

[Irish]

Terminator is not originally a comic book franchise and is not generally recognized as such.

So, your distinction here is that the actor isn't wearing spandex in both films. Gotcha.

[megladon8]

So, your distinction here is that the actor isn't wearing spandex in both films. Gotcha.


That's really dumb, dude.

Your generalizations are getting to be a bit much.

[number8]

So, your distinction here is that the actor isn't wearing spandex in both films. Gotcha.

Yes. What's your point?

[Irish]

Yes. What's your point?

That I don't see a large difference between Bale playing the lead in two big franchises at the same time, and the difference between Ryan Renolds playing the lead in two very large franchises at the same time?

Three out of four of those projects originating at a comic book company is negligible to the overall point?

[megladon8]

If your beef is that they're playing roles in two big franchises, then you should also point the finger at Robert Downey Jr. for playing both Iron Man and Sherlock Holmes.

Christian Bale played Batman (a comic book superhero) and John Connor (a character from a 25 year old sci-fi franchise).

Ryan Reynolds played Deadpool (a comic book character), Hannibal King (a comic book character), and now Green Lantern (a comic book character).

I see the distinction pretty clearly.


Superheroes are the types of characters that often define someone's career, the same way that whoever plays James Bond is James Bond for life.

Bale is Batman, but he's not any other superhero.

Who should we "remember" Reynolds as? Which hero is the one that we're supposed to permanently associate his name with, the way Christopher Reeve is Superman, and even Michael Keaton is still Batman?

[number8]

I think he was arguing that there should be no beef.

[Watashi]

Harrison Ford was both Indy and Han Solo. Worked for him.

[number8]

Willem Dafoe was both Jesus and Antichrist.

[Raiders]

Actors have played different characters in concurrent franchises. That's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to a situation where two staples of the comic book universe (one for each of the biggies, DC and Marvel) are finally coming to multiplexes for the first time. They will likely be successful and spawn multiple films and Reynolds is the central figure in both. It's a relatively unique situation and one I personally think will be a little awkward. I just wonder if there would be any backlash to one film, or subsequent films, if the other sucks. Film franchises should typically make their own identity within that film universe of comic book hero films. This will complicate matters I would think.

That's all I'm saying.

[Watashi]

I really don't see Deadpool as a huge potential franchise-role. It's directed by Robert Rodriguez and will likely be very crude and go over the typical mainstream superhero fan's head.

[number8]

I really don't see Deadpool as a huge potential franchise-role. It's directed by Robert Rodriguez and will likely be very crude and go over the typical mainstream superhero fan's head.

Yeah. What I'm seeing is basically Machete with spandex. There's franchise potential, but nothing tentpole.

[DavidSeven]

I don't think the spandex point is such a throwaway one. There seems to be a sort of iconism associated with dawning a costume. It's undermined when one actor does it twice in separate roles. I think Evans doing F4 and Captain America is equally as dumb as Reynolds doing GL and Deadpool; though the negative impact will be less on the former because no one cares about F4.

[Raiders]

I don't think the spandex point is such a throwaway one. There seems to be a sort of iconism associated with dawning a costume. It's undermined when an actor does it twice in separate roles. I think Evans doing F4 and Captain America is equally as dumb as Reynolds doing GL and Deadpool; though the negative impact will be less on the former because no one cares about F4.

Not to mention Fantastic Four is just that, four central characters. It's much easier to forget he was even in it. Hell, Daniel Craig could have played Human Torch for all we know.

[DavidSeven]

Not to mention Fantastic Four is just that, four central characters. It's much easier to forget he was even in it. Hell, Daniel Craig could have played Human Torch for all we know.

:lol:

[Irish]

If your beef is that they're playing roles in two big franchises, then you should also point the finger at Robert Downey Jr. for playing both Iron Man and Sherlock Holmes.

Downey/ Iron Man/ Holmes is a good point. (Although Holmes is an existing property, like Dracular he's not an immediate franchise. He's also not an action-hero type like Iron Man, although Ritchie made him into one).

Years gone by, an actor would want a franchise for the paycheck, the bankability, and for the public exposure. When you weren't shooting a franchise movie, you could go off and actually, well, act, do serious films, remind everybody that you still had the talent. Get awards and accolades.

Doing two big franchises at the same time -- like Bale did -- is redundant from the point of view of his own career. It doesn't give him more exposure or bankability and it doesn't remind anyone he's a serious actor. When I first heard he was playing Connor, I couldn't figure out what his (or his agents') strategy was.

The difference now, I guess, is that these guys are in their prime and they have much more limited opportunities than they would have had twenty or twenty five years ago. (Most projects out there now that get funded are franchise movies or at the least based on an existing property. So the choice seems to be either: Take the big franchise role or ... sit out for 2-3 years in your prime.)

Maybe Reynolds and Bale are just trying to get everything they can while the gettin' is good.

But in a lot of ways -- time, scheduling, audience reaction -- both of them are in 'awkward' positions.

That's the way I read Raider's statement, and yeah I probably read too much into it.

[Dukefrukem]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/glHARRY.jpg

[Irish]

If that ring were real, do you think Harry would construct his own greenish wheelchair, or would he simply fly everywhere?

[Dukefrukem]

If that ring were real, do you think Harry would construct his own greenish wheelchair, or would he simply fly everywhere?

Flying would still be too taxing for him.

[bac0n]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/glHARRY.jpg

Wow, Guy Gardner has really let himself go...

[megladon8]

And another story from my friend who works for Disney...

He has another friend whom he went to school with who is working on this project - again, working on the CG animation, etc.

He saw the full movie (with effects almost fully complete) and said it's absolute SHIT.

Terrible dialogue, disjointed story, corny action. He said WB is really making a mistake investing so much money into this being a franchise, because it really, really sucks.

[number8]

I shall trust the opinion of a friend of your friend implicitly, internet person.

[megladon8]

I shall trust the opinion of a friend of your friend implicitly, internet person.


:lol:

Just thought I'd share since there has been no activity in this thread in months.

We all got together for beers and wings last night, and my Disney friend was sharing all the latest movie/animation news.

He said that the action in this movie looks like something you'd expect to see in Looney Tunes.

[number8]

He said that the action in this movie looks like something you'd expect to see in Looney Tunes.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.

[megladon8]

That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.


I think he was referring to the quality of the CGI in the action scenes looking about as detailed and crisp as hand-drawn animation.

[Acapelli]

I think he was referring to the quality of the CGI in the action scenes looking about as detailed and crisp as hand-drawn animation.
that actually sounds interesting visually

[megladon8]

Bad CGI is interesting visually?

[Dukefrukem]

Bad CGI is interesting visually?

http://bit.ly/9swKeW

[Acapelli]

no,
detailed and crisp as hand-drawn animation sounds interesting visually

remember when everyone was talking about how bad avatar's cgi was?

[Dukefrukem]

remember when everyone was talking about how bad avatar's cgi was?

Wasn't that only Meg? ;)

[megladon8]

Remember the terrible CGI in Spider-Man when he's wearing his wrestling outfit, jumping across buildings chasing the guy who shot Ben?

That is what we should expect here.

[megladon8]

Wasn't that only Meg? ;)


I never said Avatar's CGI was "bad".

All I was saying was that the CGI was not 100% photo-realistic, as Cameron was pimping it out to be.

I also withdrew those complaints when I saw the film and was blown away by the special effects.

[Dukefrukem]

I know I know... just messin'

[Raiders]

What company does your friend's friend work for? And who saw the film, your friend or his friend? I ask because no offense, but I would doubt anyone working for Rising Sun or whatever other companies are contracted for the effects work has seen the complete, fully-edited film (is it even remotely finished given some re-shoots were just done?) five months before its release, let alone some friend of yours who works for Disney who I don't think has any part in the process for this film.

[Ezee E]

WIth Ryan Reynolds behind it, I'm wondering if that's the direction it wants to go to anyways. More of a comedic, looney-tunes type of feel.

[megladon8]

What company does your friend's friend work for? And who saw the film, your friend or his friend? I ask because no offense, but I would doubt anyone working for Rising Sun or whatever other companies are contracted for the effects work has seen the complete, fully-edited film (is it even remotely finished given some re-shoots were just done?) five months before its release, let alone some friend of yours who works for Disney who I don't think has any part in the process for this film.


Friend's friend.

My friend (grew up with him) works for Disney. One of his friends from animation school now works for one of the companies producing the CGI for Green Lantern.

This is exactly what my friend said he was told:

-His friend saw the current cut of the film, which he described as being, roughly, the finished product that just still requires some F/X cleaning up, sound mastering, etc.

-The effects that ARE finished, particularly the aliens on OA and GL's suit, really don't look that great, succumbing to that fake, "shiny" look that makes them look like video game graphics

-The story and writing are awful, convoluted, and don't make much sense. He said the movie is very hard to follow once it gets into the space politics and whatnot


Yeah, I'm not saying this is scripture - that because of what a friend-of-a-friend said, the movie WILL be that way.

It's just what I've heard, and my friend is a good, honest guy. He's not the type who'd make crap up.

And since the trailer didn't inspire much hope in the movie being good, it's not hard for me to believe that, yes, the movie is a mess.

[Raiders]

Friend's friend.

My friend (grew up with him) works for Disney. One of his friends from animation school now works for one of the companies producing the CGI for Green Lantern.

This is exactly what my friend said he was told:

-His friend saw the current cut of the film, which he described as being, roughly, the finished product that just still requires some F/X cleaning up, sound mastering, etc.

-The effects that ARE finished, particularly the aliens on OA and GL's suit, really don't look that great, succumbing to that fake, "shiny" look that makes them look like video game graphics

-The story and writing are awful, convoluted, and don't make much sense. He said the movie is very hard to follow once it gets into the space politics and whatnot


Yeah, I'm not saying this is scripture - that because of what a friend-of-a-friend said, the movie WILL be that way.

It's just what I've heard, and my friend is a good, honest guy. He's not the type who'd make crap up.

And since the trailer didn't inspire much hope in the movie being good, it's not hard for me to believe that, yes, the movie is a mess.

OK. I just found it strange that someone would be claiming to have seen a current, final cut of the film. I'm not in the CG animation industry, but I don't imagine they typically get to see edited, full-length versions of the film(s) they are working on.

We'll see. If it isn't as your friend-of-a-friend said, please know I will never listen to him again.

[megladon8]

OK. I just found it strange that someone would be claiming to have seen a current, final cut of the film. I'm not in the CG animation industry, but I don't imagine they typically get to see edited, full-length versions of the film(s) they are working on.

I was under the impression that people doing CGI work do get to see the movie beforehand since they're working with the footage, no?

At least, they have some idea of the tone of the film and how it's going to turn out.



We'll see. If it isn't as your friend-of-a-friend said, please know I will never listen to him again.

:lol: Same here.

Again, sorry to repeat myself, but I wasn't meaning to provide this as solid evidence of the film's fate.

The thread's been dead for like 2 months. I thought some hearsay would do it good.

[number8]

I was under the impression that people doing CGI work do get to see the movie beforehand since they're working with the footage, no?

At least, they have some idea of the tone of the film and how it's going to turn out.

No, not really. I mean, they get to see a rough assembly that they'll be working on, but there's absolutely no reason why they would see a finalized cut, given that that's the last step and more or less unnecessary for the outsourced work.

But I do find it funny that your friend is badmouthing the CG, which his company is responsible for.

[megladon8]

Correction: friend of my friend.

It's more reliable that way.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Saying that the CG looks like a Warner Brothers cartoon made me briefly imagine Green Lantern as directed by Stephen Chow, which would be infinitely more interesting than what they're making.

[megladon8]

Saying that the CG looks like a Warner Brothers cartoon made me briefly imagine Green Lantern as directed by Stephen Chow, which would be infinitely more interesting than what they're making.


Agreed.

I would absolutely love to see some of the big heroes get off-the-wall crazy, artistically inspired and ambitious adaptations.

Get Park Chanwook to do a Batman movie. Get Yuen Woo-ping to do a Spider-Man movie. Hand off the reins of the Fantastic Four to someone like Terry Gilliam (though, of course, he'd probably never do it).

Darren Aronofsky being chosen for The Wolverine is a step in the right direction, though I seriously doubt he's going to have much creative freedom with it.

[Sycophant]

Why is this movie coming out during Mega Man 2?

[megladon8]

Why is this movie coming out during Mega Man 2?


You get rep for being the first person to catch on to that.

Congrats!

[megladon8]

Holy terrible poster designs, Batman! (http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/02/26/sneak-peek-four-green-lantern-movie-wall-posters)

[Watashi]

Those are for the action figures, Meg. Not the film. They are supposed to be targeted towards kids anyway.

[Ezee E]

Yeah, they are like the typical ones that you see in a Wal-Mart for $4.

[megladon8]

Those are for the action figures, Meg. Not the film. They are supposed to be targeted towards kids anyway.


Yeah, I know they're by NECA for games and toys and stuff.

They are just...awful.

Eh...I suppose they're not that much worse than the same posters you see for other superheroes.

[[ETM]]

I'm a designer and even I don't think those are that bad. There are some areas where the economic side always trumps the artistic. This needs to stand out next to other flashy kiddy designs, not win design awards.

[number8]

That's ten times better than some of the ones they released for The Dark Knight.

[bac0n]

*shrug*

I actually thought they were kinda neat.

[Sven]

How'd I miss that Martin Campbell directed this? My interest went up one point.

[Watashi]

New trailer (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/greenlantern/)

Man, those Oa scenes gave me total wood.

[[ETM]]

FbyJSbimX0Y

Fuck Quicktime.

[Watashi]

Amazing what a few extra months of post-production can do.

Apparently Reynolds wasn't happy that the studios rushed out a trailer last year when effects were just barely started.

[EyesWideOpen]

I'm in.

[Henry Gale]

I feel like the further back everything is shot, the more interesting it looks. Then I see the design, make-up effects and CG for each character up close, and it just looks ridiculous. Even Jordan's suit doesn't look too much better than it did in the first trailer, especially that shot where his mask disappears.

I now have little to no hope for this.

[megladon8]

That still looks bad.

The CGI costume is just such a bad idea. It looks awful.

I really wanted this to be great, and I am feeling like what Henry Gale just said - I have little to no hope in this one anymore.

[Acapelli]

my anticipation for this has skyrocketed

from less than nil to somewhat

reynolds just doesn't feel right as hal

[Sven]

I like that it's Campbell and I like that it's embracing space opera instead of lame Earth superhero stuff, which I'm so sick of. If anything, this trailer makes it look more like an animated film with live action elements, which is easier for me to swallow than the other way around.

[Ezee E]

The space opera here looks much better then Thor's.

[Watashi]

That still looks bad.

The CGI costume is just such a bad idea. It looks awful.

I really wanted this to be great, and I am feeling like what Henry Gale just said - I have little to no hope in this one anymore.
I don't know how you would do the costume in any other way.

[megladon8]

I don't know how you would do the costume in any other way.


Cloth?

Something similar in design to the Spider-Man suit?

This just looks...awful.

[Watashi]

Cloth?

Something similar in design to the Spider-Man suit?

This just looks...awful.
But the suit is a living entity. It's not a piece of clothing that Hal puts on when he wants to become Green Lantern. Making it look like a living, breathing alien suit rather than something that can be picked up at Target is a much better decision. They had to go with the CGI route. I think Hal fighting in green and black spandex would be much worse.

The mask does look silly. Hopefully they fix it.

[megladon8]

It's not the concept I don't like, it's the execution.

It looks really awkward and removes me from the movie because of it. I'm constantly thinking about "that CGI costume" while watching it.

Maybe there's still work to be done. It just doesn't look very convincing.

[Dead & Messed Up]

I'm digging it now. As Sven says, the new clip makes it less a superhero origin story and more a space opera (which the world needs more of), and Lantern-World looks awesome.

[megladon8]

I'm digging it now. As Sven says, the new clip makes it less a superhero origin story and more a space opera (which the world needs more of), and Lantern-World looks awesome.


Agreed on all accounts.

There is some stuff that really gives me a sense of "wow, this could have something", but I am still seeing a lot of the silliness that was in that first trailer.

Maybe it's just that the trailer was so bad, it's even tainting my view of the footage in a different context.

Really...whoever put that first one together needs to be fired.

[KK2.0]

this new footage was so much better, Sinestro was the moustache guy right? he looks perfect. It's been ages since i've read a Green Lantern comic.

[Morris Schæffer]

Yep, much better. Still looks kinda silly in terms of all the creatures and huge CGI monsters. Lantern World does have a sense of scope, and they're certainly upping the epic angle here complete with big motivational speeches by the, uh Upper Lantern, but here's hoping those speeches are more King Theoden than Jake Sully. Probably the latter.

[bac0n]

Yeah, that trailer raised my expectations quite a bit!

[Rowland]

I forgot that Martin Campbell is directing this. Edge of Darkness was underrated, so I hope he hits this one out of the park, at least by the standards of this sort of material.

[Wryan]

I like that wondercon footage a lot. However, the ultimate evil thing looks chintzy as all hell. Even with finished footage, I'm not sure how seriously I'll be able to take it. Also, I will rage if somewhere near the end, someone says to Hal: "Without the ring........you're nothing!" Not even once, goddamit.

I don't care about the suit. Looks fine.

[D_Davis]

Looks cool. I like that it looks kind of silly - totally captures that cosmic, Sci-Fi vibe. Green Lantern is supposed to be totally pulpy, like a '50s space opera.

[number8]

You think every comic book movie should be pulpy.

[Wryan]

"You've got pulp."
"Well, heh....well, thank you."
"I hate pulp!"

[Ezee E]

You think every comic book movie should be pulpy.
His favorite movie is Pulp Fiction.

[D_Davis]

You think every comic book movie should be pulpy.

Classic super hero stuff, yeah. Especially Green Lantern - it's all about the cosmic, pulpy adventure.

[D_Davis]

Alfred Bester, arguably the greatest of the pulp SF authors, wrote a lot of Green Lantern stories, so it makes sense.

[Morris Schæffer]

Define pulp? Is Raiders of the Lost Ark Pulp? But it's also tense, brilliant, spine-tingling, thrilling (magnificently so!). All qualities that Green Lantern will probably only posses in limited quantities. I guess there's more dramatic mileage to be gained from something earthbound such as Indy's first adventure compared to something inherently goofy as Green Lantern. I hope for something at least genuinely fun.

[megladon8]

Wait, Morris, are you saying that a movie cannot be both pulpy and brilliant, spine-tingling and tense?

"Pulpy" is a tone, not a descriptor of quality.

And yes, the Indy movies are most definitely pulpy. They're like, textbook definition pulp.

Green Lantern is no more "inherently goofy" than Indiana Jones. Both deal with the utterly fantastic and impossible.

[D_Davis]

Raiders is definitely from the pulp traditions - in its case, the cliffhanger serial adventures.

Pulp, in the most basic of terms, has to do with a number of genre-based magazines printed in the late 1800s-1950s. Stuff like Weird Tales, Amazing Stories, Astounding Stories, and the early comic books. They were called pulp magazines because of the cheap paper they were printed on. There wasn't really a set style, but out of the all of the stories and magazines a style grew.

From these there are a few staples, or conventions. You had the HPL, weird horror stuff; the hardboiled detective stuff; the sexy, adult adventure stuff; the cliffhanger stuff; and then the Sci-Fi, space opera stuff.

So in the case of Green Lantern, it followed and was part of the Sci-Fi space opera genre of the pulps, which included stories about cosmic heroes, fighting larger than life villains with great powers or gadgets. In these stories, the roles of good and evil were clearly defined. However, Alfred Bester would go on to challenge this notion with his seminal story, The Stars My Destination, which proved to be the bridge between the pulps and the new wave.

Sometimes the term is used to mean that the stories are more adventurous, and meant to be more based in fun and the fantastic, and less about dark, gritty realism. But of course that is not always the case.

It was also used mainly as a derogatory term when it was first coined. But that is not the case any more, as many of the pulp authors went on to inspire and change the very landscape of fiction.

[Morris Schæffer]

Pardon me but I don't think there's anything goofy about Indiana Jones except for the fourth one, but certainly not the first one. There's humour, but when you're on the edge of your seat most of the time, then "goofy" does not seem like an apt descriptor. But again, some movies cannot avoid a certain goofiness simply thanks to their premise. Green Lantern seems to fall into that category, but calling that a shortcoming is, admittedly, not entirely fair.

Still, Green Lantern seems quite a few notches higher than Raiders in terms of silliness so it will have an uphill battle to be all the things that the 1981 movie is and this one probably won't. Which again, is perhaps a comparison not even worth attempting in the first place. My bad.:)

[D_Davis]

pulp =/= goofy

[megladon8]

pulp =/= goofy


Exactly.

[Raiders]

Raiders is a very intentionally silly film. Many sequences are equal parts action and slapstick with Ford's expression wavering between heroic and panicked. It's an absured premise played quick and fast. It's pleasures are those of a cheap entertainment; dapper hero, damsel-in-distress, ultimate evil, supernatural powers, big stunts... and so forth. It's exciting filmmaking, but that doesn't mean it isn't, by definition, "pulpy."

Morris, go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_fiction_(genre)).

[D_Davis]

I think some people still hold onto that old derogatory definition of the word. It's been re-appropriated by the fans of the pulps. It no longer means, sub-standard fiction to be tossed out once read. Especially when you consider the impact that writers such as Lovecraft, Smith, Howard, Bester, Sturgeon, Hammett, Chandler, and the others have had on the field of popular fiction.

[D_Davis]

Temple of Doom is pretty much a perfect example of the cliffhanger, pulp story. It even makes use of "fear of the other" and the Orient so popular to writers such as Howard (racism!). Although it is more on the goofy side than Raiders is.

[Morris Schæffer]

Raiders is a very intentionally silly film. Many sequences are equal parts action and slapstick with Ford's expression wavering between heroic and panicked. It's an absured premise played quick and fast. It's pleasures are those of a cheap entertainment; dapper hero, damsel-in-distress, ultimate evil, supernatural powers, big stunts... and so forth. It's exciting filmmaking, but that doesn't mean it isn't, by definition, "pulpy."

Morris, go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_fiction_%28genre%29).

The only sequence that springs to mind is the basket one where Indy is searching for Marion and sure, there's the monkey, and I now that I think about it, Indy running out of the temple, and by a hair evading the poisonous darts, whereas minutes earlier he was Mr. Cautious during the same trap, but can we all agree that the "silly" never, ever gets the upper hand?

But yes, pulpy isn't the same as Goofy. I think I can definitely agree with that. Thanks for the link.