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Watashi
09-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVnJazoZdsU)

If I hate Kevin Smith and all his movies, why on earth do I want to see this movie?

Oh yeah, Elizabeth Banks doing full frontal. Duh.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 12:03 AM
Oh yeah, Elizabeth Banks doing full frontal. Duh.

I just read in Entertainment Weekly that neither lead has any nudity in this film. So I think this is one of those internet rumors to boost box office.

Spinal
09-03-2008, 01:27 AM
*sees Seth Rogan*

*stops watching trailer*

God, enough with that guy already.

Milky Joe
09-03-2008, 02:07 AM
*sees Seth Rogen*

*continues watching trailer*

Consider me in the seat already.

Sven
09-03-2008, 02:17 AM
*sees Seth Rogan*

*stops watching trailer*

God, enough with that guy already.


*sees Seth Rogen*

*continues watching trailer*

Consider me in the seat already.

One of you guys gets rep. Guess which one.

Raiders
09-03-2008, 02:33 AM
One of you guys gets rep. Guess which one.

The cranky one.

Melville
09-03-2008, 02:44 AM
The cranky one.
Heh. I hate Seth Rogen and his milk-gurgling voice as much as the next guy, but that seems like an odd thing to rep.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 02:47 AM
*sees Seth Rogan*

*stops watching trailer*

God, enough with that guy already.

Exactly what I said after Pineapple Express. Minus the stops watching trailer bit.

Sven
09-03-2008, 04:26 AM
Heh. I hate Seth Rogen and his milk-gurgling voice as much as the next guy, but that seems like an odd thing to rep.

Why rep if not for humorously issuing a sentiment that one whole-heartedly sides with?

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:35 AM
I think Seth Rogen is one of the more humble guys in the business right now.

I don't get why he gets this level of hatred.

Sven
09-03-2008, 05:40 AM
I think Seth Rogen is one of the more humble guys in the business right now.
What does humility have to do with anything?

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:41 AM
What does humility have to do with anything?
A lot. You'd be surprised.

Again, why do you dislike the guy?

Sven
09-03-2008, 05:43 AM
Again, why do you dislike the guy?

I'll give you a hint: it has to do with his work.

I'm sure he's a nice guy. But I don't gauge an actor's presence in a film on whether or not (s)he is an amiable person.

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:46 AM
I'll give you a hint: it has to do with his work.

I'm sure he's a nice guy. But I don't gauge an actor's presence in a film on whether or not they are amiable people.

Dude, his primetime career has JUST started. Most of the movies he's doing right now are stuff he wrote back in high school so of course they're going to be juvenile. I think he's funny as hell, but I'm sure he will move on and branch out from his typical pathetic loser typecast.

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:47 AM
Also he's a big supporter of voice acting (even though he hasn't done anything really good) which is a always a plus for me.

Dead & Messed Up
09-03-2008, 05:48 AM
A lot. You'd be surprised.

Again, why do you dislike the guy?

I doubt it's out-and-out dislike. The guy's just oversaturated right now.

I don't mind, though, because Elizabeth Banks will be my wife one day, and I feel I should support her movies until then.

Sven
09-03-2008, 05:48 AM
What does any of that have to do with his humility?

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:49 AM
What does any of that have to do with his humility?

We're talking about his work, not his personality.

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:52 AM
Oh, and speaking of humility, I do gauge an actor's presence in a film on whether or not he or she is an amiable person.

Sven
09-03-2008, 05:56 AM
We're talking about his work, not his personality.

You are confusing me. I hope you have a good night, though!

Watashi
09-03-2008, 05:57 AM
You are confusing me. I hope you have a good night, though!
You're confusing me too.

I have to work in a couple of hours, so I probably won't have a good night.

chrisnu
09-03-2008, 06:04 AM
This looks stupid. I also get really tired of the "have your cake and eat it too" jokes regarding being prudish when it's a movie about making a porno, and you're supposed to be titillated at the same time. I guess that's America for you.

Watashi
09-03-2008, 06:06 AM
By the by, I'm sure the movie will be terrible because it's Kevin Smith.

Sven
09-03-2008, 06:08 AM
I have to work in a couple of hours, so I probably won't have a good night.

Sad.

You say "he's humble"
I say "what does that have to do with why I should like him?"
You say "his career is just starting and he's hilarious and does cartoons, even though his movies were written by a teenager and are juvenile and he's always a pathetic loser!"
I say "what does that have to do with his being humble?"

Do you see where the lines are being crossed here? You can like actors for their off-screen personalities (or rather, the constructions of their off-screen personalities, as many big names have PR in mind), that's fine. Whatever. I think it's ill-advised and ultimately can never be satisfying if you approach it honestly, but that's me. Is it really that hard to believe that the guy's schtick is not for everyone?

transmogrifier
09-03-2008, 07:35 AM
I'm with Wats on this. Seth Rogen is an amiable, engaging screen personality. No range, of course, but same could be said for any number of actors. I too, don't understand how he, of all actors, can even begin to generate such animosity.

Ezee E
09-03-2008, 12:15 PM
I enjoy Rogen for what he has done so far. He's not ridiculously obnoxious like Jonah Hill.

As for his range, I saw his work in Freaks & Geeks and I don't see him going any further then comedies. Perhaps we'll see in the more dramatic Apatow movie that comes out next year, in which he plays a failing comedian that begins to rip others off.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 12:58 PM
No animosity on my part, just sick of seeing him. It's much like Will Ferrell in his comedies, in that it's not so much that he doesn't have much range, but he doesn't even try. He's just content bringing himself to the movie and couldn't care less about a character. It's boring. Really boring. I'm sure he's a nice guy, and if he is then I'm glad he's successful. But I'm tired of him. Although his presence in this film is fine considering I wouldn't pay to see another Kevin Smith movie anyway.

Ezee E
09-03-2008, 01:11 PM
Will this thread make Weitzman cry?

Melville
09-03-2008, 01:12 PM
Why rep if not for humorously issuing a sentiment that one whole-heartedly sides with?
Oh, humor's good. I guess I just missed the humor in this case.

As for Seth Rogen, I don't really mind his over-saturation or his one-note shtick. I just find his voice and the cadence of his delivery really irritating.

Sven
09-03-2008, 02:03 PM
I don't think anybody's professed any animosity. Nobody's foaming at the mouth here.

Boner M
09-03-2008, 02:25 PM
I once met Seth Rogen IRL and said I love him in all his movies. Then he called me a 'sycophantic cretin'.

Diagnosis = BAD ACTOR.

D_Davis
09-03-2008, 04:13 PM
I'd rather watch a genuine porn flick.

Raiders
09-03-2008, 04:37 PM
I'd rather watch a genuine porn flick.

These don't star Elizabeth Banks. Therefore, they fail.

D_Davis
09-03-2008, 04:58 PM
These don't star Elizabeth Banks. Therefore, they fail.

There are better lookin' chicks than her in porn.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 05:00 PM
There are better lookin' chicks than her in porn.

That's absurd. To even insinuate that there are gorgeous women in porn is fairly ridiculous.

Duncan
09-03-2008, 05:07 PM
You guys are watching the wrong porn.

Ezee E
09-03-2008, 05:21 PM
I guess gorgeous has to be better defined.

Raiders
09-03-2008, 05:29 PM
There are better lookin' chicks than her in porn.

I can't claim to have seen it all, but I've seen enough to know that this is not true.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 05:29 PM
I can't help but see every woman in porn as trashy. It's a fault of their profession.

*shrug*

Raiders
09-03-2008, 05:34 PM
Here's the poster that the MPAA banned from theatre lobbies:

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=22848

Grouchy
09-03-2008, 06:26 PM
I can't help but see every woman in porn as trashy. It's a fault of their profession.

*shrug*
Nah. Tabitha Stevens, Tawnee Stone... There are good-looking women in porn.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 06:29 PM
Nah. Tabitha Stevens, Tawnee Stone... There are good-looking women in porn.

Not saying they aren't good looking, but they still have a trashiness about them that works against them when comparing them to other actresses.

Duncan
09-03-2008, 06:31 PM
Elizabeth Banks doesn't have a trashy quality to her? Did you not see The 40-Year Old Virgin?

D_Davis
09-03-2008, 06:34 PM
Elizabeth Banks doesn't have a trashy quality to her? Did you not see The 40-Year Old Virgin?

And Slither?

I thought white-trash chic was kind of her thing.

She's like the trailer park Charlize Theron.

Raiders
09-03-2008, 06:57 PM
And Slither?

I thought white-trash chic was kind of her thing.

She's like the trailer park Charlize Theron.

No. Just... no. She's the farthest thing from white trash or trailer park. One or two movie roles does not define someone as "trashy," not to mention she's the opposite of trashy in Slither. In fact, she's pretty much the most wholesome thing in that movie.

Kurosawa Fan
09-03-2008, 06:59 PM
No. Just... no. She's the farthest thing from white trash or trailer park. One or two movie roles does not define someone as "trashy," not to mention she's the opposite of trashy in Slither. In fact, she's pretty much the most wholesome thing in that movie.

Thank you. I feel like I've gone crazy. Elizabeth Banks trashy? What the hell woman are you guys looking at?

Sycophant
09-03-2008, 07:18 PM
Elizabeth Banks is not trashy. That's absurd.

But there are also some porn performers I wouldn't describe as trashy either, so what the hell do I know?

Winston*
09-03-2008, 07:29 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm telling you this right now, I am not masturbating to a Kevin Smith movie.

Dead & Messed Up
09-03-2008, 07:35 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm telling you this right now, I am not masturbating to a Kevin Smith movie.

Thank you for telling me.

Ezee E
09-03-2008, 08:59 PM
I think Elizabeth Banks will finally get her due in Zack and Miri...

This could lead to two things. One being that she continues to take these types of movies, and more romcoms, and ends up like Kate Hudson.

Or... Yeah, she'll probably go that route. :(

I just watched the preview, and for the first time ever, I want to see a Kevin Smith movie in theaters.

transmogrifier
09-03-2008, 09:10 PM
I like Elizabeth Banks, I like Maggie Gyllenhaal, I like Zooey Deschanel, but the slavering that goes on over their attractiveness on the internet is a source of great amusement to me - it's not a million miles away from the elevation of Bette Davis to gay icon in terms of a niche group trying to stake a claim of cultural independence.

They seem like nice, decent, good-looking women. But that's about it.

number8
09-04-2008, 03:19 AM
All of you seem to miss the fact that Katie Morgan is in this movie.

That's all I care about.

Raiders
09-06-2008, 01:38 PM
I like Elizabeth Banks, I like Maggie Gyllenhaal, I like Zooey Deschanel, but the slavering that goes on over their attractiveness on the internet is a source of great amusement to me - it's not a million miles away from the elevation of Bette Davis to gay icon in terms of a niche group trying to stake a claim of cultural independence.

They seem like nice, decent, good-looking women. But that's about it.

Well, for my part, I do the same thing to beautiful women I know as well.

megladon8
09-06-2008, 02:36 PM
I like that Elizabeth Banks looks really nice naturally.

She doesn't need pounds of make-up caked on her face to look like a pretty woman, and she doesn't have the "blonde bimbo" thing going on either.

She's a pretty, classy lady. And she seems to be a pretty good actress, though I'd be interested to see her do a wider variety of projects. Perhaps tackle something a little more dramatic.

number8
10-04-2008, 08:00 AM
Kevin Smith's best movie.

There. I guess I said it. It was really easy to say, though.

Ezee E
10-04-2008, 01:30 PM
Kevin Smith's best movie.

There. I guess I said it. It was really easy to say, though.
Considering this is the first movie of his I'm actually wanting to see, I can only assume the statement is true.

Ezee E
10-31-2008, 09:11 PM
Disappointing.

While it's obvious to know where the movie will head in the end, why does it do so in such a horrible way? The movie starts off solid, and Elizabeth Banks/Seth Rogen do a fine job with their characters. Justin Long is the highlight of the so-so supporting characters, while Craig Robinson is just an extended role from everything we've seen him in thus far. The laughs work, and we don't get any extended talks about movies. Instead, that's reserved for creative porno titles.

It all leads up to what I think should've just been the final scene of the movie. I'll spoiler the rest. Yes, they make love. We all knew it would happen. It's done in a good way too. A satisfying end. Instead, we have fifteen minutes of them having to realize that they were in love with each other all along, and there had to be a little conflict along the way. And when it finally does work out, one more curveball is thrown, and it's basically the same scene we saw before, only reversed. Eyerolling.

And that scene just made it much worse in my mind.

Rogen is at his best here, limited to actually following a script. Elizabeth Banks continues to show that she'll probably be one of the more sought after actresses in a few years.

trotchky
10-31-2008, 09:18 PM
Kind of loved this, actually. It's Kevin Smith's best movie since, at least, Chasing Amy! Kevin, I'm considering this a formal apology for Clerks 2; thank you.

Watashi
11-02-2008, 01:51 AM
Never again, Kevin Smith. Never again.

Ezee E
11-02-2008, 02:14 AM
Yeah, I'm dropping my score even lower now after thinking about it over a day.

number8
11-02-2008, 06:50 AM
Kind of loved this, actually. It's Kevin Smith's best movie since, at least, Chasing Amy! Kevin, I'm considering this a formal apology for Clerks 2; thank you.

Pretty much.

Pop Trash
11-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Watched it last night. It was pretty good. I'd give it a generous 7/10 (or "good" on my scale) but again I feel like I'm being generous since I like Smith's blue collar P.O.V. It was fairly predictable to the point of being "When Harry and Sally Made a Porno" as far as the plot went. I do think Seth Roegan was more unlikeable and assholish than in any other movie I've seen him in, at least until Smith magically made him cuddly in the third act. Smith did create a good sense of working class people struggling with bills, the power being turned off, etc. and a nice use of Pittsburgh in the Winter seeming like a desolate tundra. The jokes are hit or miss here but the audience I saw it with seemed to be roaring, especially at the:

anal sex to shit all over the guy from Clerks joke. I chuckled at it but the dude in the audience in front of me practically gave that gag a standing ovation.

Overall not bad, but it kind of squanders its good premise. You kind of feel the movie could do more with it. Hell, I almost think Roegan himself might have written a better film with that premise. He's become just as good of a comedic screenwriter as Smith at this point. I think Smith is still spinning his wheels as a filmmaker, much like a lot of Woody Allen's and Wes Anderson's output, they still do good work but you feel like they need to get out of their safe zones and really try something new the way the Coens and PT Anderson did last year with No Country and TWB Blood.

Winston*
11-02-2008, 09:20 PM
Pretty much.

I thought you liked Clerks II?

number8
11-02-2008, 09:40 PM
I thought you liked Clerks II?

...No?

Watashi
11-02-2008, 11:19 PM
The shit joke is one of the stupidest scenes of the year. It's not gross or funny. It's just pointlessly juvenile. Only Kevin Smith fans would laugh at something like that.

trotchky
11-02-2008, 11:35 PM
I dunno man, I don't think I'd agree that it's pointless--it was sort of meant to top off the scene, or be a scatological representation of how low their situation had gotten; like the donkey scene in Clerks 2 but so, so much shorter, thank god. It's also a lot less juvenile than the donkey scene for that reason--whereas that reveled in its own (faux) transgressiveness for as long as possible, this was as blunt and frank as the rest of the film's gags. Like Chuck Palahniuk, Kevin Smith deals with grotesque things that are right in front of our faces, which is why his shit works when he doesn't try to be a showman and cheat the audience.

Amnesiac
11-02-2008, 11:52 PM
Hm. "Scatological representation". I'll remember that one if I'm ever in a position where I feel compelled to justify a film's toilet humor. :P

Haven't seen the film yet. Really want to but, unfortunately, I haven't managed to take a trip down to the theater to see this (or Pride and Glory, W.. Religulous, Passchendale) yet. Good to hear some positive feedback, though.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 01:29 AM
Well, I'm not much of a Kevin Smith fan really, but my wife and I thoroughly enjoyed Zack and Miri, even the shit scene. I'd say it is my second favorite out of four Smith films I've liked:

1. Chasing Amy
2. Zack and Miri Make a Porno
3. Clerks
4. Dogma

I found it a surprisingly romantic and old-fashioned movie. It has a lot of raunchy dialog and nudity and scenes like the shit scene and the one in the hallway between Zack and Lester, which saved the ending from otherwise being too sugary sweet.

It actually felt nostalgic and reactionary in its depiction of porn in 70s/early 80s plot-based terms. Everything from the use of Star Wars characters to the 70s music playing on the boombox to the use of Traci Lords seemed like a throwback to a happier time for porn. I imagine Smith has similarly nostalgic feelings for the porn he grew up with to those that P.T. Anderson expressed in Boogie Nights. Zack and Miri has the same sort of porn-production-as-happy-family-making-wholesome-couples-product that Anderson's film had before it turned dark. Oddly though, two of the markers that indicated the darkening of porn in Anderson's film -- video and anal -- are gleefully incorporated here. Zack and Miri thus plays like how Smith wishes the second half of Boogie Nights had played out in real life.

Pop Trash
11-03-2008, 01:40 AM
Well, I'm not much of a Kevin Smith fan really, but my wife and I thoroughly enjoyed Zack and Miri, even the shit scene. I'd say it is my second favorite out of four Smith films I've liked:

1. Chasing Amy
2. Zack and Miri Make a Porno
3. Clerks
4. Dogma

I found it a surprisingly romantic and old-fashioned movie. It has a lot of raunchy dialog and nudity and scenes like the shit scene and the one in the hallway between Zack and Lester, which saved the ending from otherwise being too sugary sweet.

It actually felt nostalgic and reactionary in its depiction of porn in 70s/early 80s plot-based terms. Everything from the use of Star Wars characters to the 70s music playing on the boombox to the use of Traci Lords seemed like a throwback to a happier time for porn. I imagine Smith has similarly nostalgic feelings for the porn he grew up with to those that P.T. Anderson expressed in Boogie Nights. Zack and Miri has the same sort of porn-production-as-happy-family-making-wholesome-couples-product that Anderson's film had before it turned dark. Oddly though, two of the markers that indicated the darkening of porn in Anderson's film -- video and anal -- are gleefully incorporated here. Zack and Miri thus plays like how Smith wishes the second half of Boogie Nights had played out in real life.

Before the hyperbole gets out of control here...Zack and Miri (which again, I liked, more or less) is no Boogie Nights.

Watashi
11-03-2008, 02:00 AM
It's like we're connected... (http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/zackandmiri.htm)

Ezee E
11-03-2008, 02:13 AM
It's like we're connected... (http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/zackandmiri.htm)
Well said Chaw. You're horrible at writing, but you got it right here.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 02:16 AM
Before the hyperbole gets out of control here...Zack and Miri (which again, I liked, more or less) is no Boogie Nights.

Well, I think Boogie Nights has its problems too. But I didn't say Zack and Miri is a Boogie Nights. I said Smith and Anderson seem to have a similar nostalgia for 70s/early 80s porn. Hell, so do I for that matter.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 02:25 AM
Well said Chaw. You're horrible at writing, but you got it right here.

I've never read Chaw before -- despite all the talk about him around here. But, if that review is any indication, you're right. He is one horrible writer.

Ezee E
11-03-2008, 03:38 AM
I've never read Chaw before -- despite all the talk about him around here. But, if that review is any indication, you're right. He is one horrible writer.
And that's not even him at his loudest.

megladon8
11-03-2008, 04:08 AM
So this may be a stupid question, but what's the nudity level like in this movie?

I just want to know who it is and isn't safe/comfortable to see it with.

Watashi
11-03-2008, 04:09 AM
So this may be a stupid question, but what's the nudity level like in this movie?

I just want to know who it is and isn't safe/comfortable to see it with.
You see pretty much see the whole shabang.

megladon8
11-03-2008, 04:13 AM
You see pretty much see the whole shabang.


Yeah but frequently?

And really graphic sex?

The Mike
11-03-2008, 04:19 AM
Yeah but frequently?

And really graphic sex?

Full frontal both genders, but neither during action. Boobs. As "graphic" of sex as you can have with an R rating.

Basically Skinemax style stuff. The discussions are what's really risque.

Watashi
11-03-2008, 04:19 AM
Yeah but frequently?

And really graphic sex?
During the porn shoot scenes, yeah. Nothing as bad you would find on the internet, but for a mainstream comedy, it's pretty graphic. You also see Jason Mewes' dick and balls.

Milky Joe
11-03-2008, 04:20 AM
Zack and Miri is a musty relic from a stagnant, incurious mind that's been noodling around since Dogma, spinning down into a pathetic pageant of self-justifications for his alleged cleverness and popularity.

Ouch. Being not familiar with Chaw's reviews before this and having not seen the movie in question, I thought that review was finely written. It actually makes me rethink going to see this.

megladon8
11-03-2008, 04:21 AM
You also see Jason Mewes' dick and balls.


Well, maybe I'll pass on this one.

The Mike
11-03-2008, 04:25 AM
The shit joke is one of the stupidest scenes of the year. It's not gross or funny. It's just pointlessly juvenile. Only Kevin Smith fans would laugh at something like that.

I agree with this.

Outside of this kind of obviously Smith sex/toilet stuff, it seemed more like a cliched-Apatow-wannabe. Which is actually a good thing.

Banks continues to entertain me, and Craig Robinson stole the show.

I laughed, and it might be something I revisit thanks to the cast.

number8
11-03-2008, 05:02 AM
Well, maybe I'll pass on this one.

Homophobe.

Skitch
11-03-2008, 11:39 AM
I'm seeing it tonight.

Skitch
11-03-2008, 11:42 AM
Only Kevin Smith fans would laugh at something like that.

Is it hard to get pizza delivery way up there on that mountain?

Ezee E
11-03-2008, 11:49 AM
Well, maybe I'll pass on this one.
Katie Morgan's are the only boobs you get to see.

And basically in a Skinamax porn.

The Mike
11-03-2008, 12:52 PM
Katie Morgan's are the only boobs you get to see.No, there was one other set during the "auditions".

Still too few. :sad:

Duncan
11-03-2008, 03:23 PM
As far as actual writing goes, I think Chaw is one of the best. He's caustic, funny, highly intelligent, and often dissects aspects of films that get glossed over by other critics. And about 2 years ago he was still genuinely thoughtful. Lately he's so predictably spiteful.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 05:43 PM
I should add that I agree with most of Chaw's points. Zack and Miri reminds me of Knocked Up in how I enjoyed it in the moment only to see it curdle before my eyes in retrospect. I don't share Chaw's venom though. Zack and Miri is ultimately a muddle-headed dick flick that seems to think it's a sensitive chick flick with a lot of awkwardness and, I think, unintentional offensiveness mixed in. I did think it was often very funny though and not at all mean-spirited -- although the scenes with the two gay men came close. I'm also not going to be too hard on Smith for being juvenile or for being a pretty crappy writer/director. I knew all of those things well before the lights went down.

D_Davis
11-03-2008, 05:47 PM
I'm also not going to be too hard on Smith for being juvenile or for being a pretty crappy writer/director. I knew all of those things well before the lights went down.

Are there any other directors whose work you will see even if you know they are crappy and juvenile?

trotchky
11-03-2008, 05:54 PM
Smith is a really good director of actors.

Kurosawa Fan
11-03-2008, 05:55 PM
Smith is a really good director of actors.

Ugh. I vehemently disagree.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 05:55 PM
Are there any other directors whose work you will see even if you know they are crappy and juvenile?

Any that still manage to entertain me, to make me laugh. I used to check out each new John Hughes flick for instance.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 06:03 PM
Ugh. I vehemently disagree.

Vehemently? Other than Miri being trapped in a male fantasy, it was the characters and performances that won me over. I also thought Chasing Amy, after a klutzy start, settled in to be a well-acted little movie.

Kurosawa Fan
11-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Vehemently? Other than Miri being trapped in a male fantasy, it was the characters and performances that won me over. I also thought Chasing Amy, after a klutzy start, settled in to be a well-acted little movie.

Haven't seen Zack and Miri, but based on his other films, I usually find the performances to be pretty poor for the most part. Off the top of my head, I'd say Clare Forlani and Jason London in Mallrats, Ben Affleck and Joey Lauren Adams in Chasing Amy, Linda Fiorentino and Chris Rock in Dogma, are all poor performances. Saying he's great with actors is absurd from where I stand.

Winston*
11-03-2008, 06:17 PM
You can't really blame Kevin Smith for getting a bad performance out of Chris Rock. Chris Rock gives a bad performance directed by Neil LaBute.

Ezee E
11-03-2008, 06:22 PM
Chris Rock's only not-annoying role is in the movie he directed himself. Er... the second one. Definitely not the first one.

balmakboor
11-03-2008, 06:27 PM
Chris Rock's only not-annoying role is in the movie he directed himself. Er... the second one. Definitely not the first one.

The only Chris Rock performance I enjoyed was when he got fired from a cannon through the spinning blades of a fan.

Kurosawa Fan
11-03-2008, 06:46 PM
You can't really blame Kevin Smith for getting a bad performance out of Chris Rock. Chris Rock gives a bad performance directed by Neil LaBute.

Then I blame him for casting Chris Rock.

number8
11-03-2008, 07:33 PM
Any that still manage to entertain me, to make me laugh. I used to check out each new John Hughes flick for instance.

And what is Kevin Smith if not a John Hughes, if John Hughes was into comic books and fart jokes?

Skitch
11-04-2008, 01:05 AM
That was a rom-com for males.

I approve. Though I must say, I am surprised the sorta anti-Smith crowd is giving this the thumbs up.

megladon8
11-04-2008, 01:40 AM
Katie Morgan has horrendous chesticles.

Ezee E
11-04-2008, 01:45 AM
Katie Morgan has horrendous chesticles.
Obviously fake, but there's something I dig about her.

megladon8
11-04-2008, 01:47 AM
Obviously fake, but there's something I dig about her.


Enormous-breasted blonde trash slutiness?

Ezee E
11-04-2008, 01:51 AM
Enormous-breasted blonde trash slutiness?
No. Just, no.

8, where you at?

Watashi
11-04-2008, 01:52 AM
Katie Morgan was the best part of the movie.

number8
11-04-2008, 01:53 AM
Katie Morgan was the best part of the movie.

Finally, some sense out of you. She's adorable.

Spinal
11-04-2008, 02:04 AM
Katie Morgan was the best part of the movie.

This is the sole thing that tempts me at all to see this movie.

Watashi
11-04-2008, 02:07 AM
This is the sole thing that tempts me at all to see this movie.
Don't do it.

Spinal
11-04-2008, 02:09 AM
Don't do it.

Oh, I've rarely been more confident that I would hate a film. I'm just saying I'm pro-Katie Morgan.

megladon8
11-04-2008, 02:24 AM
I'm not anti-Katie Morgan. She may very well have an adorable personality and be a fun actress to watch.

But I don't find her attractive in the least. I'd rather screw the hole in my pants.

Rowland
11-04-2008, 04:00 AM
But I don't find her attractive in the least. I'd rather screw the hole in my pants.It's probably her temperament and performing abilities that people respond to most, as I think is the case with most successful pornstars.

The Mike
11-04-2008, 04:09 AM
While she might not be the most twitterpating thing I've seen, if I've got a choice between non-blood-related vagina and hole in pants, I choose vagina.

Ezee E
11-04-2008, 04:30 AM
While she might not be the most twitterpating thing I've seen, if I've got a choice between non-blood-related vagina and hole in pants, I choose vagina.
Repped for truth.

ledfloyd
11-04-2008, 04:47 AM
she has the ugliest boobs ever.

Qrazy
11-04-2008, 05:12 AM
While she might not be the most twitterpating thing I've seen, if I've got a choice between non-blood-related vagina and hole in pants, I choose vagina.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/lawana1999/American_Werewolf.jpg

'Meet me in the parking lot.'

megladon8
11-04-2008, 06:09 AM
she has the ugliest boobs ever.


Yes. This.

Plus she's just not hot by my standards. Blondes with huge tits = not my thing.

number8
11-04-2008, 03:16 PM
I really don't care how ugly her boobs are. I'm a personality guy. Katie Morgan has that I-act-ditzy-and-flirty-but-I'm-really-smart-and-witty thing going on. That's cute.

Ezee E
11-04-2008, 04:00 PM
I really don't care how ugly her boobs are. I'm a personality guy. Katie Morgan has that I-act-ditzy-and-flirty-but-I'm-really-smart-and-witty thing going on. That's cute.
I was hoping that the "smart" part would be used more in the movie. It wasn't.

Skitch
11-05-2008, 12:15 AM
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/lawana1999/American_Werewolf.jpg

'Meet me in the parking lot.'

My penis is officially just for show. Thanks.

Dead & Messed Up
11-16-2008, 06:00 PM
Saw it last night...

I enjoyed it. Yes, Zack and Miri is male wish fulfillment as rendered through the prism of vulgarity and doe-eyed romanticism. Yes, it could be called facile and pandering. Yes, it contains more of Smith's unsuccessful racial gags.

But there's a part of my defense system that weakens when Justin Long recounts a porno film called "Shut Your Mouth or I'm Gonna Fuck It." And the foundation splinters further when Craig Robinson takes a more active role (God bless that man). By the end, I found myself once again engaged and interested in the story of a slovenly schlub who almost effortlessly gets the girl of his dreams.

It's certainly not his best film, but Zack and Miri is a fun li'l flick with some solid laughs. And too many balls.

number8
11-16-2008, 07:20 PM
"I don't think you're in my demographic."
"Why, who's your demographic?"
"Do you like pussy?"
"I love pussy."
"Then not you."

Dead & Messed Up
11-16-2008, 08:08 PM
"...and then Revenge of the Shit! The all-anal final chapter!"

:: pause ::

"Fuck you motherfuckers."

Skitch
11-17-2008, 11:12 AM
"...and then Revenge of the Shit! The all-anal final chapter!"

:: pause ::

"Fuck you motherfuckers."


lmao...I loved that...

Dukefrukem
02-07-2009, 09:18 PM
bwhahahahahaha!!!

"i'll tell you what happened. that chick frosted me like a fucking cake!"

Bosco B Thug
02-08-2009, 11:47 PM
Wow, yeah, this was kind of weak. First Kevin Smith film, so I wasn't expecting anything nor was I expecting nothing. Banks is such a babe and I still like Seth Rogen, but I feel bad for them for they were probably thinking they were gonna be in a film that was actually subversive and insightful. Likeable enough, I guess, but I did start feeling hostile towards the film once the ridiculous "Three months later..." card went up and the film completely gives in to irrepressed formula.