Kick-Ass

[Watashi]

Christopher Mintz-Plasse (McLovin from Superbad) is in negotiations and Chloe Moretz (Dirty Sexy Money) has been cast in Mathew Vaughn’s big screen adaptation of Mark Millar’s comic book Kick-Ass.

Based on the creator-owned comic from Marvel’s Icon imprint, the story follows a a 15-year-old boy named Dave Lizewski who attempts to become a real-life superhero. The catch is that he has no powers or any of the stereotypical reasons for choosing to fight crime. The screenplay was written by the Stardust team of Jane Goldman and Matthew Vaughn. The violent nature of the source material and obvious issues with the useage of the title in marketing has caused Hollywood studios to pass on the project. Some studios showed interest but wanted Vaughn to either tone down the violence or raise the age of the lead character. Vaughn believed in the project so much that he raised $30 million from private investors to produce the project independently.

Mintz-Plasse is not in line for the lead role, but instead that of the Red Mist, an angry teenage son of a mobster who is out to uncover Kick-Ass’ true identity. Moretz’s character is described by THR as “a ferocious, potty-mouthed 11-year-old who chops down crime thugs with a ninja sword.” Vaughn is also talking to “several high-profile stars” to play the parents or mobsters. The main character, Dave Lizewski, has not yet been cast. Vaughn hopes to begin production in the fall.

Mark Millar is also the creator of Wanted, and writer on many successful Marvel comics titles such as Spiderman, Wolverine, X-Men, Civil War, The Ultimates, Marvel Knights Spider-Man, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four.

I'm one of the few who liked Wanted and Stardust and I really dig the premise (it's an idea I've had for a film years ago) so I'm looking forward to this if it ever moves forward.

[number8]

The book is terrible. Maybe Vaughn can do something cool with it.

[Acapelli]

the book is awesome

discuss

[Acapelli]

well i don't actually think it's awesome, since nothing much has really happened, but it's definitely got me interested to see where it goes

[Skitch]

I will have to look into this book.

[EyesWideOpen]

The book is indeed awesome.

[Ezee E]

I have not, and will not be reading the book.

[Kurosawa Fan]

I like books.

[D_Davis]

I like books.

nerd.

[Kurosawa Fan]

I also like Nerds.

[D_Davis]

I also like Nerds.

nerd lover.

[Kurosawa Fan]

nerd lover.

I also like lovers.

[Qrazy]

I also like lovers.

Pussy.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Pussy.

Yep, that too.

[number8]

well i don't actually think it's awesome, since nothing much has really happened...

Exactly why it's terrible. Three issues in and all we see is some idiot punk kid getting severely and violently beat up and then hyping it up on MySpace. I already know where this is going: nowhere near the realistic look at superhero wannabes that Millar promises. Typical him, really, to derail his own concepts.

[Acapelli]

Exactly why it's terrible. Three issues in and all we see is some idiot punk kid getting severely and violently beat up and then hyping it up on MySpace. I already know where this is going: nowhere near the realistic look at superhero wannabes that Millar promises. Typical him, really, to derail his own concepts.
the current fantastic 4 arc took four issues to finally get somewhere, so i'll give him one more

[Skitch]

Myspace in a comic book? Super pass.

[Watashi]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/kickassofficial1-440x293.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/redmistaicn.jpg

I'm sure this will be ridiculously silly, but I'm sure I will love it.

[number8]

No.

[Watashi]

No.
Maybe Vaughn will pull the same that Timur did with Wanted and take the basic idea of the book and turn into his own creation? I liked the film Wanted, but couldn't get into the book at all.

[Watashi]

Teaser trailer. (http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#A9q7FP/www.firstshowing.net/2009/11/10/awesome-early-teaser-trailer-for-matthew-vaughns-kick-ass//)

Looks like fun.

[Dukefrukem]

This trailer is awesome.

could they have found a kid that looks MORE like andy samberg

[Watashi]

Cool poster.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz27374dd8.jpg

[MadMan]

The teaser is fairly funny. I might actually want to see this.

[megladon8]

I just really have no interest in this movie at all.

[Spun Lepton]

My ... Space ... ???

[Ivan Drago]

Looks like a lot of fun.

[KK2.0]

Mystery Men 2.

i actually enjoyed MM, though

[MadMan]

Mystery Men 2.

i actually enjoyed MM, thoughAs did I. Last year revisiting it resulted in me still being a fan. Funny little movie.

[number8]

I don't think the two look anything similar.

[KK2.0]

It was a loose comparison i agree, both are comedies about a ragtag of losers without powers playing superheroes, by powers i mean actual powers, not throwing spoons or being very, very angry. Although MM has a bit of fantasy in it.

[megladon8]

I kind of liked this little clip. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hvs8dGPmGio)

[Watashi]

Beyond awesome.
(http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/21/kick-ass-red-band-hit-girl-trailer/)
A little girl calling people cunts while chopping their legs off? This looks so much fun.

[Skitch]

Beyond awesome.
(http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/21/kick-ass-red-band-hit-girl-trailer/)
A little girl calling people cunts while chopping their legs off? This looks so much fun.

There are no words for that, except KICK ASS. Really. :lol:

[number8]

I agree with this comment.


I hate this type of shit. Tee hee, it's a little girl, but she can kick butt and she uses salty language!

[eternity]

It's the salty language she's using and the levels of butt that she is kicking that makes it what it is. It's a delicate artform, but Hit-Girl is nailin' it. Cunt.

[Acapelli]

don't worry about 8, he's biased against the source material

[number8]

Indeed, as I am with most things shitty.

[ContinentalOp]

Hey, that's the same little girl that was in 500 Days of Summer. She seems like she's going to be equally annoying and unconvincing here.

[BuffaloWilder]

To be fair, the source material is pretty bad.

[Acapelli]

To be fair, the source material is pretty bad.
nah

[BuffaloWilder]

Main character says gets his balls electrocuted, and pisses himself, and says 'fuck' a lot. Little girl says fuck a lot, and stabs people. You know Red Mist is a bad guy because he smokes lots of weed. Characters all sound the same - like something that's trying to be an approximation of real speech, mostly through lots of "salty language," but that misses the mark by just that much. John Romita Jr. doing the artwork, with his alien faces that have giant lips. Surprisingly, nobody mugs and says, "this is my face while I'm fucking you in the ass!"

And, so on and so forth.

[megladon8]

Yeah, the source material is pretty fucking awful.

[Acapelli]

Main character says gets his balls electrocuted, and pisses himself, and says 'fuck' a lot. Little girl says fuck a lot, and stabs people. You know Red Mist is a bad guy because he smokes lots of weed. Characters all sound the same - like something that's trying to be an approximation of real speech, mostly through lots of "salty language," but that misses the mark by just that much. John Romita Jr. doing the artwork, with his alien faces that have giant lips. Surprisingly, nobody mugs and says, "this is my face while I'm fucking you in the ass!"

And, so on and so forth.
i can't take your opinion seriously if you diss jrjr's art

ok that's a lie, but seriously jrjr is one of my favorite artist's currently working

[Dukefrukem]

just saw this... wow... im there.

[D_Davis]

If I didn't know better, I'd assume this was made by the folks over at Ain't it Cool News, just so that could write the headline, "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! THIS MOVIE KICKS ASS!!!!"

[megladon8]

If I didn't know better, I'd assume this was made by the folks over at Ain't it Cool News, just so that could write the headline, "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! THIS MOVIE KICKS ASS!!!!"





If Harry Knowles wrote the film, it would probably have more depth and genuine "cool" factor than what Mark Miller did.

[number8]

And more cunnilingus.

[Ivan Drago]

If I didn't know better, I'd assume this was made by the folks over at Ain't it Cool News, just so that could write the headline, "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! THIS MOVIE KICKS ASS!!!!"




DAVIS! Welcome back! :)

[Thirdmango]

I just saw the preview for this today, have known about it for a while but I'm super excited about it.

[number8]

I hope this movie doesn't end the same way as the comic.

I doubt it, but, you know.

[megladon8]

IGN gave it 5 stars and said it's the best superhero movie ever made.

Considering the source material, I find this very hard to believe unless it was completely re-written from the ground up.

[EyesWideOpen]

IGN gave it 5 stars and said it's the best superhero movie ever made.

Considering the source material, I find this very hard to believe unless it was completely re-written from the ground up.

For someone who hates the source material you sure do bring it up fucking constantly.

[Spun Lepton]

Early review from SXSW is negative.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2010/03/sxsw-2010-kickass-maybe-not-so-much-.html

[megladon8]

For someone who hates the source material you sure do bring it up fucking constantly.


Yeah, how dare I bring up the book on which the movie's based. Surely the comparison isn't supposed to be made.


EDIT: And funny thing is upon an advanced search it seems I've only talked about the source material three times. Stop crying.

[number8]

Reviews seem to be really positive.

By the way, has anyone mentioned that the book really fucking sucks donkey dick? Cause it does.

[megladon8]

Reviews seem to be really positive.

By the way, has anyone mentioned that the book really fucking sucks donkey dick? Cause it does.


I didn't know you saw it.

I've actually read two negative reviews (three now, counting your summation here :P) and one hugely positive one.

I'm guessing overall the reviews won't be too good.

[Acapelli]

this person liked it

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources. com/2010/03/10/committed-kick-ass-and-why-violence-is-a-feminist-issue/

[number8]

I didn't know you saw it.

I've actually read two negative reviews (three now, counting your summation here :P) and one hugely positive one.

I'm guessing overall the reviews won't be too good.

I haven't seen it. I said book.

[megladon8]

I haven't seen it. I said book.


You know what? Shut up.

[Spun Lepton]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAthe little girl said cuntHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgod that's so clever and funnyHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHoh god my sideHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

:|

[EyesWideOpen]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAthe little girl said cuntHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgod that's so clever and funnyHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHoh god my sideHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

:|

About as funny and clever as a picture of a shark with a tongue sticking out.

[Winston*]

About as funny and clever as a picture of a shark with a tongue sticking out.
Shark is funnier.

[megladon8]

About as funny and clever as a picture of a shark with a tongue sticking out.


What the hell is with your hostility here?

[EyesWideOpen]

What the hell is with your hostility here?

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/20/f6/42/the-hostility-tray.jpg

[megladon8]

OK then.

[Skitch]

I'm so confused.

Oh, and Empire gave a perfect 5 stars.

[Ivan Drago]

EWO isn't a morning person.

[Rowland]

I had a dream that this received terrible reviews. True story, sadly enough.

[Watashi]

I had a dream that this received terrible reviews. True story, sadly enough.
How odd.

[Ezee E]

What the hell is with your hostility here?
I laughed.

[Boner M]

This was kinda lame, from its forced 'irreverence', fanboy-baiting (Hit-Girl is a fucking terrible, one-note character), and its eventual moralising. I'm guessing it's pretty much entirely the source material's fault.

Cage rocks, tho.

[Rowland]

I've been rooting for this to be better than I anticipated it'd be, since I rather liked Vaughn's Stardust after his debut film, the overrated Layer Cake, left me underwhelmed. But yeah, can't say your reaction surprises me.

[balmakboor]

Beyond awesome.
(http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/21/kick-ass-red-band-hit-girl-trailer/)
A little girl calling people cunts while chopping their legs off? This looks so much fun.

I'm sold. Actually, I've been really looking forward to this ever since I saw Diary of a Wimpy Kid. It was mostly insufferable, but every time Chloë Moretz showed up it turned near great. The girl's got something special.

Of course, I've also been a Nic Cage fan since Valley Girl -- yeah, I saw that in a theater and everything.

[Winston*]

Ebert gave this one star and I think he spoiled the movie in his review.

[Watashi]

This was really stupid and boring.

The film should have all been about Nic Cage and Hit Girl vs. Marc Strong and McLovin.

Every scene involving Kick-Ass and his embarrassingly awful friends and male-fantasy love subplot was painful to watch.

[Boner M]

The more I think about this film, the more I want to blow up the internet.

[Watashi]

The most offensive and god-awful scene was when the film went into full-on first-person Call of Duty mode in the middle of a fight scene. It was like the film just stopped and said "fuck it... this film is pretty much a video game fantasy anyway, why not go all the way".

[Watashi]

The more I think about this film, the more I want to blow up the internet.

I said in another post that the script was written by pasting random Ain't It Cool News talkbackers posts in one incoherent mess.

[Boner M]

I said in another post that the script was written by pasting random Ain't It Cool News talkbackers posts in one incoherent mess.
Good call.

Also annoying? Aging critics amending their out-of-touch-ness via painfully desperate reviews of whatever youth market product they see:


Kick-Ass is a rabid puppy of a movie, energetically bounding off the screen and into your lap, where it proceeds to chew off your face.

http://geneseevolley.files.wordpress. com/2009/08/gary.jpg

[Watashi]

Harry Knowles rebuttal of Ebert's negative review is hilarious to read. (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44670)

It's so sad that this man gets taken seriously.

[Skitch]

Harry Knowles rebuttal of Ebert's negative review is hilarious to read. (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44670)

It's so sad that this man gets taken seriously.

Its like drunk rambling. :)

[[ETM]]

This is a kick-ass passage from Ebert:


Let's say you're a big fan of the original comic book, and you think the movie does it justice. You know what? You inhabit a world I am so very not interested in. A movie camera makes a record of whatever is placed in front of it, and in this case, it shows [spoiler]. Now tell me all about the context.

[Pop Trash]

I have a feeling this is going to be like Sin City, 300, and Zombieland where every party I attend for the next six months will have some douchey guy rambling about how awesome this movie is.

I also can't wait for the umpteen descriptions of this movie as: "It kicks ass!"

[D_Davis]

Like I said earlier, this film is tailor made for Ain't it Cool News.

[EyesWideOpen]

Does every comment about this movie have to involve putting down the people who enjoyed it?

[Fezzik]

Does every comment about this movie have to involve putting down the people who enjoyed it?

That's just how things are done nowadays, and its not just with movies. The best way to bolster your own position is to denigrate those who disagree, that way you not only get points for your own position, you also get points for taking away the credibility of those with a dissenting position.

It's like getting double points.

Sad, but true.

(Edited to add: And no, I haven't seen the movie yet. Just was answering the question :D)

[balmakboor]

I'm still trying to decide whether I'll see this or The Runaways this weekend. I think I'm leaning toward Joan Jett.

[balmakboor]

These bits from Ebert's review really underline what I expect to find in the movie:

"...only Nic Cage could seem to shoot a small girl point-blank and make it, well, funny...Chloe Grace Moretz has presence and appeal."

[Rowland]

Four stars from Chaw. Can't say I'm surprised.

[Skitch]

Does every comment about this movie have to involve putting down the people who enjoyed it?

Well, if Boondock Saints and Michael Bay taught me anything, its that reguardless of your level of enjoyment or actual thoughts on said films, if you don't hate them passionately, you're obviously exactly like some loud jock drunk jackass someone heard at a party somewhere.

:|

EDIT: I too, have not seen this movie yet.

[Pop Trash]

"We live in a world where people offended to their very core by the acidic humor of "Greenberg" won't think twice about letting their 12-year-olds lap up "Kick-Ass," right after they get done rewatching " Watchmen.""
-Michael Phillips

Word.

EDIT: I am curious about it and will probably see it.

[Skitch]

Word.


I quite enjoy your current sig/ratings, sir. Kudos.

[Watashi]

I guess I'm cynical, but the violence was way too cartoonish to be taken as any sort of controversy. Some limbs get hacked off and one guy explodes, but most of the violence is just kids getting beat up in video game fashion.

[Boner M]

Hit Girl (Chloë Grace Moretz) is destined to be an icon, a more popular tattoo-parlour fave than Calvin in evoking the cheerful, insouciant lawlessness of misdirected youth.
VOM VOM VOM

[[ETM]]

Well, if Boondock Saints and Michael Bay taught me anything, its that reguardless of your level of enjoyment or actual thoughts on said films, if you don't hate them passionately, you're obviously exactly like some loud jock drunk jackass someone heard at a party somewhere.

:|

You just lie about seeing them to everyone who can't be trusted with keeping it a secret.

[eternity]

The amount of hate this film is getting now makes me want to see it. Millar sucks (a lot a lot a lot) but it seems like Wanted was at least tolerated, which I couldn't stand. A film with such a hyperbolic reaction must be worth my time, right?

[number8]

Ebert's reaction:


OMG. Harry Knowles warns I am in danger of being a grown-up, 'cause I didn't "get" Kick-Ass

[Skitch]

Ebert's reaction:

Is that what he was trying to say? I couldn't even discern what the fuck HK's point was. It read to me like, "Hey Ebert!! When you were a kid you had stuff and things and todays kids have things and stuff too, so Kick-Ass YEAH!!!"

:D

[Spun Lepton]

Is that what he was trying to say? I couldn't even discern what the fuck HK's point was. It read to me like, "Hey Ebert!! When you were a kid you had stuff and things and todays kids have things and stuff too, so Kick-Ass YEAH!!!"

:D

Harry Knowles is a tool.

It probably goes without saying. He's become a regular at Minneapolis's big sci-fi convention, much to my chagrin. He and his father were there one year, both in wheelchairs because of their obesity. Knowles Sr. had to be in his 60s.

At the end of the convention, during the closing ceremonies, they were asked to say something to the audience. Knowles Sr. got out of his wheelchair and slowly walked up to the podium to give his speech. It didn't look especially easy for him.
Harry Jr. couldn't be bothered, they had the announcer walk the mic down to him, and he gave his self-satisfied "thank you" speech from the first row. I'd already had some distain for him after seeing how he acted like a goddamn primadonna during the convention, and that was the final straw for me.

Harry Knowles is a tool.

/off-topic rant

[Ezee E]

"We live in a world where people offended to their very core by the acidic humor of "Greenberg" won't think twice about letting their 12-year-olds lap up "Kick-Ass," right after they get done rewatching " Watchmen.""
-Michael Phillips

Word.

EDIT: I am curious about it and will probably see it.
I'd like to think that a parent that has seen Greenberg probably wouldn't want their kids to see Kick-Ass for the reason that it's simply dumb. Not because of its violence.

[Derek]

He and his father were there one year, both in wheelchairs because of their obesity.

Actually, he fell while pushing a heavy cart of memorabilia at a nerd convention. I believe you can read more about it in the dictionary under "irony".

[transmogrifier]

Actually, he fell while pushing a heavy cart of memorabilia at a nerd convention. I believe you can read more about it in the dictionary under "irony".

Is that the edition written by Alanis Morrisette? :)

[Watashi]

The more I think about this film, the more I wish it never existed.

What a stupid, stupid movie.

[number8]

That's how AICN started. It's actually a ridiculous story. He crushed his spine being run over by his own cart of nerd stuff that he was pushing himself and rolled backwards when he fell. He created the site while stuck in the hospital bed.

[Skitch]

Harry Knowles is a tool.

I was pretty indifferent to the fellow, not knowing much of his actual writings, but I haven't visited AICN much due to flaggrant overuse of the exclamation point. This response to Ebert's review (which I've avoided because I heard there was a spoiler) has placed Mr. Knowles squarely on my douchebag list.

[Spun Lepton]

Okay, perhaps I judged him too harshly on the not-getting-out-of-the-wheelchair thing. Doesn't excuse his primadonna behavior throughout the convention, however.

[Ezee E]

But I remind you that there was a time, when Martin Scorsese was under fire for having a 13 year old Jodie Foster play a whore in TAXI DRIVER - which is more or less about a man that in the end is a hero for taking violent action to protect that girl.

At that time there were critics that wanted to hang Marty. You were not one of them. I remember that time because as a 6 year old I can remember watching you and Gene defend Scorsese and you were my heroes.


Comparing Kick Ass to Taxi Driver is a no-no.

[Derek]

Is that the edition written by Alanis Morrisette? :)

No, I'd a nerd being crushed by a giant cart full of nerdy memorabilia he's pushing around fits the actual definition of irony. :)

I really do think.

Thank god neg rep is gone.

[B-side]

irony


an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

By this definition, Alanis' usage of the term is appropriate.

[Derek]

irony



By this definition, Alanis' usage of the term is appropriate.

Here (http://fgk.hanau.net/articles/ironic.html)'s a pretty accurate tally of her mostly failed attempts.

[B-side]

Here (http://fgk.hanau.net/articles/ironic.html)'s a pretty accurate tally of her mostly failed attempts.

Eh. There's too much wiggle room to call her attempts outright failures. I'd say she seems to stretch the definition past its breaking point, but if we're going by the definition I posted, she's not entirely off. Then again, I could be retarded, so I'll grant you some credence.

[B-side]

OK, this one isn't ironic in any sense of the word:


"It's meeting the man of my dreams/ And then meeting his beautiful wife."

[B-side]

Neither is this:


"A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break."

[Derek]

Eh. There's too much wiggle room to call her attempts outright failures. I'd say she seems to stretch the definition past its breaking point, but if we're going by the definition I posted, she's not entirely off. Then again, I could be retarded, so I'll grant you some credence.

You know what, I'm just glad that a thread about Kick-Ass splintered off into a discussion about the definition of irony in relation to Harry Knowles being crippled by nerdy memorabilia and a 13-year old Alanis Morissette song.

*hugs Match-Cut*

[B-side]

OK, you may be onto something here. If she's to get any credit, it's credit tied to a bunch of concessions.

[B-side]

You know what, I'm just glad that a thread about Kick-Ass splintered off into a discussion about the definition of irony in relation to Harry Knowles being crippled by nerdy memorabilia and a 13-year old Alanis Morissette song.

*hugs Match-Cut*

:lol:

[lovejuice]

Like it for its mad logic and perversity.

This is a sort of movies Tarantino shits out every morning after breakfast. Yet Vaughn seems to have trouble balancing stuffs. Kick-Ass feels like two or three separated movies competing for the running time. They both have their weak and strong points. (Except for the high-school love comedy with gay plot device. That is uber-lame.)

I like the idea of putting superhero in a realistic/fanboyist context. Kick-Ass's first successful act of vigilante is pretty sweet. I wish the whole movie were built around that concept.

The Kick-Ass movie, however, is defeated by another movie starring Nic Cage and his daughter as real superheroes. By itself, I like that movie too. This is among rare chances violence in action film makes me uncomfortable -- in a good, social commentary way, I guess.

On top of that, it's nice seeing Cage in something half-decent.

[balmakboor]

Here (http://fgk.hanau.net/articles/ironic.html)'s a pretty accurate tally of her mostly failed attempts.

Thanks for posting this. I'd read somewhere long ago that her ironies in the song were mostly not sound examples of irony, but long since forgot where I read it. I think of this though every time I hear the song. Then I think to myself, "Who cares? The song still rocks."

[transmogrifier]

I don't think that Knowles being crushed by nerd memorabilia is irony simply because, if he was going to get crushed by anything, nerd memorabilia would have been pretty high up the list of possible candidates, given his hobbies.

Now, if he had been taking that memorabilia to the dump so that he could turn over a new leaf, grow up and end his geek obsession, but ended up being crushed by it and then the resulting injury led him to creating AICN and becoming the premier geek in the world...that would be irony IMO.

[angrycinephile]

At that time there were critics that wanted to hang Marty. You were not one of them. I remember that time because as a 6 year old I can remember watching you and Gene defend Scorsese and you were my heroes.

What? This doesn't make any sense.

Why would a 6-year old Harry Knowles care about Siskel and Ebert's opinions regarding a 13-year old actress portraying a prostitute? You don't even know what a prostitute is at that age.

[Thirdmango]

I liked it but I knew I would like it before hand. That said I didn't love it. I went more lovey dovey over some of the trailers. I was disappointed that the love part of the movie didn't follow the book. I think I liked the first half of the movie more then the second half. Overall probably around 3 stars.

[Ezee E]

What? This doesn't make any sense.

Why would a 6-year old Harry Knowles care about Siskel and Ebert's opinions regarding a 13-year old actress portraying a prostitute? You don't even know what a prostitute is at that age.
The other great point that I forgot to address. Glad someone found it though. Ridiculous.

[D_Davis]

Harry Knowles knew more about movies when he was a zygote than anyone here at Match Cut will know during their entire lives.

[megladon8]

Harry Knowles knew more about movies when he was a zygote than anyone here at Match Cut will know during their entire lives.


I would argue with this statement.

But even if he did/does, being knowledgeable doesn't excuse you from acting like an arsehole.

[eternity]

Can't use my free employee passes for TWO WEEKS. Dickinbiscuits.

[Derek]

I don't think that Knowles being crushed by nerd memorabilia is irony simply because, if he was going to get crushed by anything, nerd memorabilia would have been pretty high up the list of possible candidates, given his hobbies.

I think our difference in thinking comes down to you thinking that him being crushed by something is a likely possibility whereas I do not.

Return to a successful use of irony in "Ironic": A man afraid of flying his whole life dies in a plane crash on his very first flight. To me this irony, but by your logic, you would so it's not ironic because if he was going to die in a crash, a plane crash would be pretty high up the list of possibilities.

[Derek]

I would argue with this statement.

I think the battery on your sarcasm detector needs to be changed. :)

[transmogrifier]

Return to a successful use of irony in "Ironic": A man afraid of flying his whole life dies in a plane crash on his very first flight. To me this irony, but by your logic, you would so it's not ironic because if he was going to die in a crash, a plane crash would be pretty high up the list of possibilities.

I don't think that is a good example of irony.

Let's say a man is afraid of flying. He has to travel across country. He decides to take a car. He dies in a car crash on the way. That is irony.

Or, a man was afraid of flying his whole life, and refused to step on a single plane...and he is killed sitting in his lounge when a plane lands on his house. That is irony.

To me, irony involves an outcome that is contrary to initial intentions through dumb luck, and has a darkly humorous outcome.

The example above, the man doesn't like flying, decides to fly anyway, and he dies. He intended to face his fear and risk (as he saw it) death, and he ended up dying. There is no inherent sense of contradiction there.

In other words, Morrisette didn't know crap.

[Derek]

I don't think that is a good example of irony.

Let's say a man is afraid of flying. He has to travel across country. He decides to take a car. He dies in a car crash on the way. That is irony.

Or, a man was afraid of flying his whole life, and refused to step on a single plane...and he is killed sitting in his lounge when a plane lands on his house. That is irony.

To me, irony involves an outcome that is contrary to initial intentions through dumb luck, and has a darkly humorous outcome.

The example above, the man doesn't like flying, decides to fly anyway, and he dies. He intended to face his fear and risk (as he saw it) death, and he ended up dying. There is no inherent sense of contradiction there.

In other words, Morrisette didn't know crap.

She didn't for the most part, but I think that's one that actually works.

He's afraid of flying, a fear that most people would say is irrational because the likelihood of dying in a plane crash is statistically less than dying in a car crash. After a life of not flying, he is somehow talked into taking a trip on a plane, which is, in reality, not a risky decision. One would expect that the trip would go smoothly because probably something like 99.999% on plane trips do not result in a crash, yet the man's irrational fear is justified precisely at the time when he chooses to confront it.

The expectation is that the trip would go smoothly and the man would realize his fear was for nothing. The result is that he dies in what must be considered a highly unlikely event, thus the opposite of expectations. Hence, it's ironic.

[Winston*]

You know what, I'm just glad that a thread about Kick-Ass splintered off into a discussion about the definition of irony in relation to Harry Knowles being crippled by nerdy memorabilia and a 13-year old Alanis Morissette song.

Who would have thought it figures?

[transmogrifier]

She didn't for the most part, but I think that's one that actually works.

He's afraid of flying, a fear that most people would say is irrational because the likelihood of dying in a plane crash is statistically less than dying in a car crash. After a life of not flying, he is somehow talked into taking a trip on a plane, which is, in reality, not a risky decision. One would expect that the trip would go smoothly because probably something like 99.999% on plane trips do not result in a crash, yet the man's irrational fear is justified precisely at the time when he chooses to confront it.

The expectation is that the trip would go smoothly and the man would realize his fear was for nothing. The result is that he dies in what must be considered a highly unlikely event, thus the opposite of expectations. Hence, it's ironic.

But he wouldn't have died if he hadn't ever got on the plane in the first place. The fact that he did increased his chances of dying in a plane crash from 0 to a shade above zero. The fact that his actions knowingly increased the chances of the ultimate result occuring weakens it as irony. It's more of a horrible coincidence than anything.

I love this discussion, btw.

[Winston*]

I think the key point over whether or not the plane crash is ironic is not mentioned in the song. If he finally changed his mind and went into the plane with confidence saying "I was a big silly for worrying all those years, this is going to be fine" then it's ironic. It he went under duress and was worrying and shaking in his seat the whole time, then it's not.

[Boner M]

This discussion has singlehandedly justified the existence of Kick-Ass. Good job guys.

[Derek]

But he wouldn't have died if he hadn't ever got on the plane in the first place. The fact that he did increased his chances of dying in a plane crash from 0 to a shade above zero. The fact that his actions knowingly increased the chances of the ultimate result occuring weakens it as irony. It's more of a horrible coincidence than anything.

True, "the fact that his actions knowingly increased the chances of the ultimate result occuring weakens it as irony" BUT the fact that the chances increase by such a miniscule amount is precisely the reason that it only weakens it as irony by a miniscule amount.

Had the man had a fear of sky-diving and died in a sky-diving accident after say, his wife talked him to do it after years of refusal, the fact that the risk factor is HIGH is what makes it weak as irony. You have to account for the fear of flying being a mostly irrational fear...for an example let's heighten the irrationality. Instead of a fear of flying, let's make it a fear going outside ones home. A man has stayed inside his home for 30 years and refused his family's pleas to leave the house, get fresh air, meet new people, what have you. After all this time, he agrees to meet with a therapist who happens to be young and beautiful and over time they fall in love. She accepts his decision to stay indoor, yet as more time passes, he decides to go outside to please her. While he's out for the first time, he catches cold and dies soon after from freak complications.

Now, you could say that he increased his likelihood of catching cold by entering the outside world and exposing himself to germs, but as the likelihood of someone catching cold and dying is a 1 in a billion chance, it'd be hard to say it's weak as irony. It's ironic because a man lives years with an illogical fear, yet when finally up and follows logic and goes outside, it costs him, his life. How is this not ironic?


I love this discussion, btw.

Ditto. :)

[Derek]

This discussion has singlehandedly justified the existence of Kick-Ass. Good job guys.

I wonder if we've officially set the record for derailing a thread further from its original intent than any other without moderators telling us to knock it off.

[Spinal]

Match-Cut secret: you can get away with a lot more if you do it in threads for films that the mods have very little interest in seeing.

[Sxottlan]

I quite enjoyed this film.

[Qrazy]

Had the man had a fear of sky-diving and died in a sky-diving accident after say, his wife talked him to do it after years of refusal, the fact that the risk factor is HIGH is what makes it weak as irony.

The risk factor is not high. Roughly 25-35 people die each year out of roughly 2-3 million jumps. One skydiving report I read estimates risk of death at 1 in 100,000.

[number8]

This thread kicks ass.









:)

[Derek]

The risk factor is not high. Roughly 25-35 people die each year out of roughly 2-3 million jumps. One skydiving report I read estimates risk of death at 1 in 100,000.

Then please feel free to retroactively change my example to something that is, in your opinion, a high risk activity.

[Derek]

Match-Cut secret: you can get away with a lot more if you do it in threads for films that the mods have very little interest in seeing.

:lol:

That's what I was assuming.

[D_Davis]

I would argue with this statement.

But even if he did/does, being knowledgeable doesn't excuse you from acting like an arsehole.


I think the battery on your sarcasm detector needs to be changed. :)

:lol:

[EyesWideOpen]

I liked it but I knew I would like it before hand. That said I didn't love it. I went more lovey dovey over some of the trailers. I was disappointed that the love part of the movie didn't follow the book. I think I liked the first half of the movie more then the second half. Overall probably around 3 stars.

That's exactly my opinion on the film to a tee. Loved the first half pretty let down by the second half and the changes made to the source material. I didn't like the animated segment which I was expecting to love since I'm a big Romita Jr. fan and he mentioned that he's spent every free moment he's had over the last year working on it. Also a little let down by the watering down of most of the violence from the book since all of the articles I've read mentioned how violent it was.

The worst part of the movie was the jetpack flight over New York, it looked ridiculous. Also disappointing they didn't use the Hit-Girl reaction to Big Daddy dying scene from the source because that was the best panel in the book.

[Pop Trash]

For all the buzz about this movie, it couldn't beat How to Train Your Dragon this weekend. So much for hipster nihilism.

[[ETM]]

I just saw a series of screencaps from a video where someone pours lighter fluid on a kitten and burns it alive. Made me think of "Kick Ass".

[Winston*]

;255633']I just saw a series of screencaps from a video where someone pours lighter fluid on a kitten and burns it alive. Made me think of "Kick Ass".

WTF?

[Winston*]

Man, Nic Cage is hilarious in this. Thought the film as a whole was pretty funny. Could've done without the Matthew Perry movie romance sub-plot. Not really seeing anything here to get all outraged about.

[Derek]

Man, Nic Cage is hilarious in this.

Yeah, he was particularly great during the whole torture sequence when he kept screaming out to his daughter. It almost felt like they just rolled the cameras and told him to yell out whatever he wanted.


Thought the film as a whole was pretty funny. Could've done without the Matthew Perry movie romance sub-plot. Not really seeing anything here to get all outraged about.

Yeah, ironically, this wasn't as bad as I expected. I thought Hit Girl was pretty lame, particularly at the beginning, and the forced irreverence boner mentioned was annoying, but I thought a lot of the development with Dave, particularly in the first half was done well. Not that good, but not as calculated as I thought it'd be either.

[Winston*]

I liked Hit Girl fine. She's like the human equivalent of the carrots in Shoot Em Up.

[NickGlass]

I was surprised by the amount of set-ups for critical commentary and baffled by how often the opportunity to be at least moderately intelligent was squandered in favor of violence and cursing children. Terribly obnoxious.

[Henry Gale]

Of all things, the movie is just so surprisingly bland and all over the place. It's deliberately in-your-face every single second, but when doing so, it never feels like it knows whether it wants to be a perverse take on the genre or simply The Most Badass Superhero Flick Ever. The idea that it's supposed to be set in a world where superheroes exist in fiction and a kid tries to do it for real doesn't gel with the way the villains and situations are played so cartoonishly. At a certain point it feels no different from any other superhero movie that defies logic or draws things broadly, it's just a little more profane and gory.

Also, no one has seemed to mention how badly put together it looks. I realize it was made independently, but even aside from the way a lot of the effects were composed, the way it was shot just seemed to do it no favours. Even aside from the previously mentioned awful first-person part to some of the horrible green screen stuff in Strong's apartment, any parts that have no effects attached still manage to have such an ugly look to them.

The weirdest part for me is that I actually like the comic. It just feels like here the littlest bits of real emotion that the source developed to make what was happening feel real were sacrificed here to build the story in a more comedic way (like the mother's death basically being played for laughs). I also think that if the movie had stuck to building up Kick-Ass and waiting to reveal Hit-Girl and Big Daddy like the comic did, it wouldn't feel like such a drag when the film version throws us back to the titular character.

I've heard the reactions of, "Oh c'mon, but it's so fun! It's not meant to be taken seriously!", but the movie being referred to never made it clear enough to me what it was I was supposed to be finding enjoyment in or when I was supposed to find room for putting realism or emotional weight aside with the violence. It's has no sense of the tone it wants to have or may need to make itself effective entertainment.

Somehow Nicolas Cage delivering a performance that both comes across as and has been described by him as an homage to the Adam West-Batman ends up being a genuine, memorable and hilarious performance (and maybe the only such one in the film). I don't know what that says exactly, but I wish it was a tidbit about a movie I liked more otherwise.

**

[Winston*]

I thought the tone was pretty clear. It's a straight up comedy the whole way through. There's no point where you're supposed to be emotionally invested in these characters IMO.

[Skitch]

This was funny. Overall, pretty harmless. I was a bit surprised, the way this film was talked up on its violence and vulgarity, I didn't find it that "over-the-top" on the R-rated stuff.

[number8]

I was surprised by the amount of set-ups for critical commentary and baffled by how often the opportunity to be at least moderately intelligent was squandered in favor of violence and cursing children.

This can either be a criticism of this movie or a description of most of Mark Millar's comics.

[Adam]

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[Adam]

This wasn't particularly good, but it was less obnoxious than it could've been


The most offensive and god-awful scene was when the film went into full-on first-person Call of Duty mode in the middle of a fight scene. It was like the film just stopped and said "fuck it... this film is pretty much a video game fantasy anyway, why not go all the way".

I think you're talking about the nightvision rescue scene which, for whatever reason, I found incredibly well-done and involving. Definitely felt like there was enough to like here to form some kind of balance with all the cringe-worthy high school angst or bits of slice and dicery set to Joan Jett and the Banana Splits. I can kind of get behind Ebert in saying the movie gets too mean spirited and nasty at times, though. And it's ironic they actually namecheck John Woo at one point because there's absolutely no weight whatsoever in the splatterific deaths of anonymous goons in Kick-Ass. But still - Mark Strong and Nic Cage, guys

Also - the first half is edited in pretty glorious comic book fashion; something I've seen other films fail miserably at

[Ezee E]

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Not really. Seems to happen a lot.

[eternity]

This movie is not remotely funny or awesome in any way. That said, I fucking loved it.

EDIT: I hate the book too. I'm not going to explain what I assume is going to be perceived as an apeshit analysis until I actually have time to do so...unless if I forget. I'll probably forget.

[Winston*]

That's a post with words in it, eternity.

[megladon8]

I had some fun with it. There were a few points where I was laughing pretty hard. But they were balanced by a few groan-inducing moments.

Was surprisingly well shot. I really liked the look of the movie.

Overall it was nothing I will ever rank among the best, but it was very entertaining to see with a few friends last night.

[megladon8]

I have to ask - was something done to Mark Strong's eyes for this movie? Contacts? Maybe even a little CGI?

Or does he just have very strange eyes?

[megladon8]

I was also surprised by how Funny Games-esque this was. In fact, I thought it accomplished Funny Games' critical commentary of its audience better than Haneke's film did.

[Adam]

I agree with you, but I think that effect was unintentional

[lovejuice]

I was also surprised by how Funny Games-esque this was. In fact, I thought it accomplished Funny Games' critical commentary of its audience better than Haneke's film did.
that might go a bit too far, but i agree, it has some of the best used violences in film. having hero-ish characters like Big Daddy and Hit Girl performs the act does make me uncomfortable in a nice, social-commentary way. (which reminds me the alternative ending to funny game might actually work.)

for those of you who don't know, it involves the family gets the upper hand and maim and kill the two attackers. or at least, that is what i heard.

[megladon8]

I agree with you, but I think that effect was unintentional


I don't.

I thought it was pretty clear that Hit Girl's violence (and love of it) was pretty messed up.

They just managed to make it simultaneously funny, and sickening. Which was quite an accomplishment.

I'm surprised how much more successful the film was at communicating the story's "meta-ness" than the comic book was.

[NickGlass]

that might go a bit too far, but i agree, it has some of the best used violences in film. having hero-ish characters like Big Daddy and Hit Girl performs the act does make me uncomfortable in a nice, social-commentary way. (which reminds me the alternative ending to funny game might actually work.)

for those of you who don't know, it involves the family gets the upper hand and maim and kill the two attackers. or at least, that is what i heard.

That ending would have been awful.


I thought it was pretty clear that Hit Girl's violence (and love of it) was pretty messed up.

Please give evidence.


They just managed to make it simultaneously funny, and sickening. Which was quite an accomplishment.

Bwhuh?

[Boner M]

OMG, the sequel to this has to be called Nick-Glass.

[NickGlass]

OMG, the sequel to this has to be called Nick-Glass.

I'll never give them the rights.

[number8]

I'll never give them the rights.

Unfortunately, it's not creator-owned. All usernames created under board activity are strictly work-for-hire, so Match-Cut owns your character. And we have a development deal with LGF.

[Chac Mool]

This is actually a very good movie. In addition to the technical gloss and excellent acting (Nic Cage!), what I most enjoyed is how uncompromising it is. It doesn't pander to the lowest common denominator, keeping a breezy and ironic tone throughout, but it also doesn't pander to critics or fans of "good films" with heavy-handed moralizing.

Case in point: Hit Girl. Her penchant for violence and foul mouth are obviously intended to make a point (no one in their right mind can really argue different), but the movie doesn't moralize -- it simply shows, and lets the audience draw their own conclusions.

All in all, another good movie from Matthew Vaughn. This guy has talent.

[number8]

Comic sequel announced. Millar is calling it KICK-ASS 2: BALLS TO THE WALLS.

I realize that could very well be a joke, but it's not.

[BuffaloWilder]

How did they make such a good film out of such a shitty, shitty comic? This shouldn't be.

But it is.

[Mal]

After watching this, I thought it was simply very, very boring and mildly disturbing.

Now after reading what the comic actually contained in relation to Big Daddy/Hit-Girl... I'm even more disappointed that the film removed elements that would have been more rightfully disturbing and added commentary on why exactly an 11-year old is slicing and dicing ala Kill Bill. No no, we can't have things in a movie that would actually make the audience think and challenge their perception of these home grown superheroes. Pathetic.

[MadMan]

I think the movie was pretty damn good, and so far is the best movie I've seen this year (out of 9 flicks). And hey, Nic Cage was one of the coolest things about the whole movie, as well. The humor did work, and I think some of the more serious elements came into play, although I agree that the movie could have dived into those a bit more. In the end, I think the term "Action-comedy" can be applied, so I'm not really surprised it didn't have a lot of depth.

Oh and I think that Hit Girl and Big Daddy paid dearly for their revenge plot. The irony is that even though Kick-Ass got Big Daddy killed, if it wasn't for him Hit Girl would have been murdered by Frank.

I'm not shocked there's going to be a sequel, as the ending leaves it wide open. I hear that the comic book is a tad different, and therefore I would like to read it sometime.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Stupid Kick-Ass.

For a while it was a reasonable, light riff on Spider-Man, and then it dovetailed into Hit Girl: The Movie, in which a masked hero viciously murdered people who were simply defending themselves from her, with her upper lip eternally curled in a forced sneer. Despite the idea that the film is "mute" on the topic of the heroes' methods, I would imagine that filming them like Chow Yun-Fat, giving them pulsing action music, and thieving arias from 28 Days Later and Sunshine (two superior genre pictures) points to a perception of the heroes as, well, heroic, in that most banal sense of the word: they are heroes because the author believes they are.

A real satire would've spent more time on the inherent hypocrisies the mains ignore. Linger a bit more on the effects. Take the time to appreciate their stupid rationalizations. But Vaughn's more interested in the aesthetic of the story, of appreciating the disconnect of his imagery without ever truly considering it.

Ugh.

Admittedly, I did get pumped a few times. When Kick-Ass took down that gang not through skill, but through his brazen faith in his hero status. When Red Mist realized the consequences of his betrayal. Certainly the first time Nicolas Cage affected Adam West. Vaughn's candy colors are a nice break from grittydark fare. I don't think the movie merits hate; just full-on frustration.

C

[Dukefrukem]

This made me laugh a few times, but I'd never watch it again... It started getting cheesey during the Rasul scene. I also didn't realize Cage had such a huge rule.

[Ezee E]

Nic Cage is just awesome to watch in this.

Outside of a silly romance plot, I enjoyed this from beginning to end.

Could Clark Duke go away? I have yet to find him remotely funny in anything.

[[ETM]]

In all honesty, the most positive thing I can say about this film is that it introduced me to Lyndsy Fonseca...
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This is about the sexiest thing I've seen in quite some time.

[megladon8]

Wow, they weren't even attempting subtlety with that.

She might as well have just videotaped herself going down on a guy.

[Sxottlan]

She might as well have just videotaped herself going down on a guy.

Yes she really should have.

EDIT: Just what the hell was that video for anyway?

[[ETM]]

Just what the hell was that video for anyway?

Do you honestly care?:lol:

[Sxottlan]

;279306']Do you honestly care?:lol:

I need context! :frustrated:

[[ETM]]

I need context! :frustrated:

Look at it this way - she's 23 yet she plays a high school student in Kick-Ass. I see this video as a "I'm not a little girl" plea, and voila: she got the role in the new Nikita TV show.

[Kurosawa Fan]

Watched this tonight, didn't care for it. I can't get on board with a film that applauds violence and vigilantism like this one. Had it stayed ridiculous and comedic in tone, it would have settled better and got a mild passing grade, but the dark and dramatic shift just kind of turned my stomach.

[BuffaloWilder]

I'm all for violence and vigilantism, however.

[Dead & Messed Up]

Watched this tonight, didn't care for it. I can't get on board with a film that applauds violence and vigilantism like this one. Had it stayed ridiculous and comedic in tone, it would have settled better and got a mild passing grade, but the dark and dramatic shift just kind of turned my stomach.

It starts to believe in itself towards the halfway point, and that's a critical misjudgment by the creators.

[Dukefrukem]

It starts to believe in itself towards the halfway point, and that's a critical misjudgment by the creators.

This sums it up for me as well. It happened right around the first time we see Hit Girl in action. Violence for the mere sake of violence? Even the whore, who was just trying to save herself, fell victim to a brutal and probably unnecessary kill.

[[ETM]]

This sums it up for me as well. It happened right around the first time we see Hit Girl in action. Violence for the mere sake of violence? Even the whore, who was just trying to save herself, fell victim to a brutal and probably unnecessary kill.

Yes, I fully agree with both you and KF.

[transmogrifier]

Kind of boring, really. Not really funny, the violence is just sort of there, like designer sheets in a porn film, and the story goes nowhere. Red Mist is a total plot convenience.

[Yxklyx]

I liked this a lot! Wasn't boring at all.

[DavidSeven]

This was a pretty terrible movie. Not an ounce of honesty in the whole damn thing. Just a bunch of geek pandering for the sake of geek pandering.

[Dukefrukem]

This was a pretty terrible movie. Not an ounce of honesty in the whole damn thing. Just a bunch of geek pandering for the sake of geek pandering.

It's not ENTIRELY terrible. The first quarter is entertaining and then of course there's any scene with Cage.

[megladon8]

I still find this to be one of the most morally confused films I've seen in quite some time.

[Pop Trash]

This was a pretty terrible movie. Not an ounce of honesty in the whole damn thing. Just a bunch of geek pandering for the sake of geek pandering.

Truer words have never been spoken. This is on my list of movies that I get funny looks at social functions for not liking. See also: Zombieland & The Hangover.

[megladon8]

Truer words have never been spoken. This is on my list of movies that I get funny looks at social functions for not liking. See also: Zombieland & The Hangover.



Just watched The Hangover last night.

It had some funny moments but I was like "what was all the fuss about?"

[NickGlass]

Truer words have never been spoken. This is on my list of movies that I get funny looks at social functions for not liking. See also: Zombieland & The Hangover.


You're not hanging out with the right people.

[Dead & Messed Up]

My dad was talking about this the other day. He said he enjoyed it, I said I didn't much like it, and we both agreed that Hit-Girl was a sociopath.

[Pop Trash]

You're not hanging out with the right people.

Quite possibly. But sometimes I'd rather hangout with my dudes and brohs than my other friends who are often annoyingly twee and like to celebrate Morrissey's birthday for no good reason.

[Morris Schæffer]

I thought it rawked. It's what I would define "no-holds-barred." Violent, twisted, cool and very enjoyable. I thought it felt fresh in the landscape of comicbook movies. In fact, one of my faves of 2010.

[Yxklyx]

I found it refreshing and original and it broke a taboo in film-making. It's a modern day super hero film as it reveals how mired in 50s sensibilities other films from the genre are. While typical super heroes have had their quirks, Hit Girl realistically portrays the depravity that you'd expect from a modern day super hero.

[Boner M]

While typical super heroes have had their quirks, Hit Girl realistically portrays the depravity that you'd expect from a modern day super hero.
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"We at the network want a girl with attitude. She's edgy. You've heard the expression "let's get busy"? Well, this is a girl who gets biz-zay."

[EyesWideOpen]

This film ended up making over $100 million worldwide and cost less then 30 so they're moving forward with a sequel. Vaughn busy doing X-Men: First Class 2 so he will just be producing.

[Boner M]

Oh right, this movie exists.

[Winston*]

Oh right, this movie exists.

I am now reminded of the scene where an on fire Nicolas Cage is screaming out staccato nonsense and I am happy.

[Dukefrukem]

This film ended up making over $100 million worldwide and cost less then 30 so they're moving forward with a sequel. Vaughn busy doing X-Men: First Class 2 so he will just be producing.

Is that in production or just pre-production?

[number8]

Pre. Jennifer Lawrence has to finish shooting Catching Fire first.

[number8]

After putting it off for so long, I finally watched this movie today.

It was terrible.

[Morris Schæffer]

After putting it off for so long, I finally watched this movie today.

It was terrible.

Why?

[Watashi]

After putting it off for so long, I finally watched this movie today.

It was terrible.
Yup. I don't know who to hate more: Mark Millar or Matthew Vaughn.

[number8]

I'm going to put the blame on Vaughn, at least for how much I hated the movie. As juvenile as Millar's source material is, which is entirely evident from the first half of the movie, he at least had the decency to acknowledge that these are awful people who delude themselves into thinking they're superheroes, whereas the film seems to celebrate them as actual "heroes."

For example, in the movie, Kick-ass absurdly gets the girl, whereas in the comic, when he reveals to her that he's not gay, she cusses him out and hooks up with a new guy to get the dude to beat him up at school as revenge for the deception. RIGHTLY SO. Kick-ass himself is a little shit who tries to beat up people just for spraying graffiti and he calls them "homos" as an insult while fighting them.

Also in the comic, Big Daddy gives Hit-Girl cocaine and tells her that it's a super-strength compound designed by scientists.

It's still stupid and Millar seems to have done it solely to make his characters edgy and nothing else (ala Wanted), but again, at least it doesn't try to present them as good guys.

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[Morris Schæffer]

Sorry, I asked you why, but never checked back. I never read the comic so that's insight (excess baggage?) I don't have. To me, the characters of Kickass are heroes, they are presented as such and I think it works. Why can't they be merely good guys? Aren't the majority of such characters good guys anyway? Not saying that's more interesting than the comic, but I suppose I don't get why the movie needs to acknowledge these protagonists as awful people. I guess Big Daddy training his daughter to be a merciless killer is a bit sick, as are his methods, but I didn't take offence.

[Dukefrukem]

I thought you responded to report that Jim Carrey has signed on for Kick-ass 2.

*yawn*

[Morris Schæffer]

I thought you responded to report that Jim Carrey has signed on for Kick-ass 2.

*yawn*

I did look for a kickass 2 thread to post exactly that, but couldn't find one and so I ended up responding to number8 instead. :)