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Raiders
08-07-2008, 03:09 AM
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Perhaps the most meta film to come from Hollywood in a long, long time, Steven Soderbergh's 1999 masterpiece is a film that is entirely consumed by the idea of memory. Be it the main character's or cinema's, the film breathes with the recollection and the nostalgia for a time past. From the plot which echoes Point Blank and Get Carter to the style which reflects Resnais and the New Wave to the two lead characters played by icons of the 60s, this is Soderbergh's tip-of-the-hat to cinema past, mirrored in the central tale of a criminal reflecting on previous events.

From the first frame, we can see there is a reflection and a searching ("Tell me about Jenny"). Terrence Stamp's aging criminal Wilson is released from prison and starts out on a quest to find out what happened to his now-dead daughter. He tracks down Peter Fonda's producer Valentine with whom Jenny had an affair. Immediately, Soderbergh revels in the cultural time capsule Fonda has become, forever iconicized as that late-60s rebel.

Stamp's quest is alternatively violent and humorous, but Soderbergh's film always retains an air of protracted distance. It is a style purposefully employed to show the thought process of a man looking for answers. Soderbergh's film is often temporally ambiguous, displaying images over dialogue that are connected not by actions but solely by emotions; the emotions of a man reflecting and wandering through his mind for a moment. And that's ultimately what the film is, a series of moments frozen in time adding to a singular journey.

Perhaps Soderbergh's most brilliant and meta move is his use of Ken Loach's Poor Cow as a means of giving flashbacks for Stamp as a young man. It connects the younger, more vital Wilson but also the Stamp of 1967 and these feel like intimate memories for both the character and for the director as he cribs past cinema for modern effects. It's overwhelmingly effective in allowing Soderbergh an effective and cinematic means to give a back story for his character and in one fell swoop equates Stamp with Wilson and memories with cinema. By the end, we see the regretful Stamp and we see that these earlier visions are perhaps a means of yearning. Soderbergh makes his loss not only his daughter, but the years of freedom he had. It is a subtle touch and one that ultimately grows into one of the best cinematic takes on aging and loss.

In the end, this is a film that achieves its affect almost solely through its style. Surely Soderbergh has never been better than he is here. The screenplay is at turns sad, funny and eloquent, but the regret and loneliness is something profoundly deepened by Soderbergh's constant harking of the past, both in his characters and in his stylistic influences. It is a seamless film, beautifully edited and pieced together, but one that feels ragged and disjointed, like a man set on vengeance but slowly realizing the futility. And in the end, he doesn't carry through to the bitter end because he looks into the face of his enemy and sees only himself. Both in his relationship with his daughter, and in his long forgotten dreams and youth, in that time when he still had love. Now, everything has changed, and Soderbergh makes sure we feel that disparity through his eloquent juxtapositions of the then and now. Magical filmmaking.

ledfloyd
08-07-2008, 03:11 AM
i have this sitting on top of my dvd player. i will hopefully get to it tomorrow. this has me very optimistic.

number8
08-07-2008, 03:19 AM
I love this movie. That is all.

Sven
08-07-2008, 03:24 AM
Excellent review! Must see again for any kind of responses or things to add, alas. Still, many kudos.

I think you should apply this kind of extensive writing to a film you dislike.

megladon8
08-07-2008, 03:29 AM
Really great review, Raiders. Offers up a lot for me to think about the next time I watch it.

It's actually one of the favorites of my dad and I. We've watched it 4 or 5 times together.

We both agree it's better than Payback - another vegeance movie that came out around the same time, and is also "retro", but in a different way.

Qrazy
08-07-2008, 03:51 AM
Watched it drunk and quite liked it, rewatched it sober and was underwhelmed. I quite like the use of the score and moments here and there but ultimately it just wore thin for me. The same editing that impressed me the first time around just kind of annoyed me the second time.

Raiders
08-07-2008, 01:08 PM
I think you should apply this kind of extensive writing to a film you dislike.

I have occasionally, but yeah, I usually only do about one paragraph for those. I am not very fond of writing about films I did not like.

baby doll
08-07-2008, 01:21 PM
I actually tend to prefer Soderbergh's less stylish indepedent films (sex, lies & videotape and King of the Hill) because they feel less dilletantish. Here, as in Bubble--which at least has a better script--the possibility of him doing something as singular as the filmmakers he filches from (Andrei Tarkovsky, in his remake of Solaris, is only the most obvious example) is about a billion to one since, every time he makes a film, he begins again from zero. Here, he can't even commit to one style to play dress-up with; the film is a hodgepodge of genre revenge movies, Ken Loach social realism and Alain Resnais-style formalism that betrays his lack of investment in all three. Allegedly he only makes George Clooney movies to finance his independent features, but given how half-baked they all are, I'm more likely to conclude that his four-hour Che Guevera biopic (if memory serves, a project he inherited from Terrence Malick) was just a way to fill time in between Ocean's sequels.

Sven
08-07-2008, 01:25 PM
Bubble--which at least has a better script

Heh... good one.

Duncan
08-07-2008, 01:26 PM
Huh. Good review. Can't say the movie has really stuck with me though. I remember those 60's footage flashbacks well.

Boner M
08-07-2008, 01:40 PM
I'm quite a fan of this one too, though I didn't really care for the meta-ness of it all; mainly it was the editing rhythms and abstractions that really did it for me. I wrote a review of it on the old site that I can't be bothered linking now.

ledfloyd
08-08-2008, 12:19 AM
i liked it but didn't love it. the score was great.

MadMan
08-10-2008, 10:47 PM
Fantastic movie. Everyone should see it, mainly because of Stamp, but because it does go beyond the typical "Badass seeking revenge" flick. I'd have to say that my favorite scene hands down is the "Bid your time" monologue speech that Stamp delivers to Bill Duke.

baby doll
08-11-2008, 11:55 AM
it does go beyond the typical "Badass seeking revenge" flick.What an achievement.

MadMan
08-11-2008, 07:04 PM
What an achievement.Considering those type of flicks are a dime a dozen, I'd say it is. Way to go to with the snarky comment, though. God knows we have plenty of that to go around here :P

baby doll
08-11-2008, 10:54 PM
Considering those type of flicks are a dime a dozen, I'd say it is. Way to go to with the snarky comment, though. God knows we have plenty of that to go around here :PThat's exactly my point, those films are a dime a dozen. So the fact that this film is only moderately better than any run of the mill revenge film doesn't strike me as being all that impressive.

bac0n
08-12-2008, 01:16 AM
I think my favorite parts of this movie are the scenes where soderbergh managed to weave in that footage from a movie Stamp did years ago when he was an Australian heart throb, using it as flashbacks.

Man, Stamp was a handsome devil back in the day. Not that he's ugly now, but man...

Qrazy
08-12-2008, 01:19 AM
I think my favorite parts of this movie are the scenes where soderbergh managed to weave in that footage from a movie Stamp did years ago when he was an Australian heart throb, using it as flashbacks.

Man, Stamp was a handsome devil back in the day. Not that he's ugly now, but man...

Have you seen Toby Dammit? It's damn good.

transmogrifier
08-12-2008, 08:21 AM
Soderbergh = Out of Sight and The Limey. Everything else is just shelf-filler.

balmakboor
08-12-2008, 05:44 PM
Watched it drunk and quite liked it, rewatched it sober and was underwhelmed. I quite like the use of the score and moments here and there but ultimately it just wore thin for me. The same editing that impressed me the first time around just kind of annoyed me the second time.

That's exactly the response I had with Traffic -- except for the being drunk part that is.

Qrazy
08-13-2008, 03:44 AM
That's exactly the response I had with Traffic -- except for the being drunk part that is.

I haven't re-watched Traffic yet so I may well respond similarly. I think I may actually own it from a bargain bin but haven't re-watched it. Dunno if I want to.

MadMan
08-10-2009, 08:16 PM
That's exactly my point, those films are a dime a dozen. So the fact that this film is only moderately better than any run of the mill revenge film doesn't strike me as being all that impressive.Well that's your problem then, not mine. Can't really help you there.