X-Men: First Class (2011)

[Grouchy]

Still love the scene in the Argentinian bar.
That scene has us Argentinians laughing like maniacs.

I swear, millions of dollars go into these things and none has the time to pick up a fucking geography book.

[megladon8]

That scene has us Argentinians laughing like maniacs.

I swear, millions of dollars go into these things and none has the time to pick up a fucking geography book.


I really couldn't care less about the geography of the scene.

The script and acting were at a high point in that scene. It was probably the best scene in the movie.

[[ETM]]

I really couldn't care less about the geography of the scene.

Nice.

[Raiders]

I really couldn't care less about the geography of the scene.

Maybe not in this instance, but I am certain if a scene claimed to be set in Ottawa and featured a scene on an ocean-front sandy beach, you probably would complain.

[number8]

MEANWHILE, IN THE DESERTS OF ONTARIO...

[megladon8]

I'm confused. Exactly what geography is up for debate?

There isn't a grassy hill in Argentina?

[number8]

I'm actually not sure what Grouchy was referring to. It could be the mountain and lake, or it could be the people in the bar speaking Spanish instead of Portuguese. I'm guessing the latter?

EDIT: Google Maps says Villa Gesell, the bar's setting, is a seaside beach town, so it would be ridiculous that the scene has a giant mountain and a lake in the background. It took me 15 seconds of Googling to find that out, so I guess it's valid to sneer at the film's research.

[megladon8]

I'm guessing it's the language thing, but in that case, I don't see why the producers needed a "geography book".

I don't think we saw nearly enough of a landscape to say that there's no way that could take place in Argentina. We see Magneto walk up a grassy hill, to see the bar at the bottom. The rest of the scene is inside the bar.

[Winston*]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uoxsYn8Odvs/Tn-dZ_pIuzI/AAAAAAAAA0g/kUbNznrkaww/s1600/equismannimann032052144.jpg

Villa Gesell, Argentina:
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/50369487.jpg

[number8]

Took Winston the same amount of time, I see. Definitely a valid critique.

[Russ]

I'm actually not sure what Grouchy was referring to. It could be the mountain and lake, or it could be the people in the bar speaking Spanish instead of Portuguese. I'm guessing the latter?
Brazil is the Portuguese-speaking nation.

[number8]

Damn. Someone give me a fucking geography book.

[megladon8]

Okay, yeah, that's a pretty huge difference.

[Winston*]

Symptomatic of a lack of thought put into the film as a whole I think.

[Grouchy]

What Winston posted. It's not like I was actually offended, mind you, but it was hilarious. There's a title in the screen saying VILLA GESELL and an image that says NOT.

[Irish]

Maybe not in this instance, but I am certain if a scene claimed to be set in Ottawa and featured a scene on an ocean-front sandy beach, you probably would complain.

I remember years ago when Rumble in the Bronx came out, everybody laughed when there were mountains visible just outside the city (it was shot in Vancouver). More than just a single scene, nothing in that movie looked or felt like New York (much less the Bronx). But who cares? It's Jackie Chan.

To be honest, nobody is watching this stuff to be challenged, to think. They're in it for the entertainment.

Gaffes like this are embarrassing, sure. But to me, they're no different than the massive technical inaccuracies in a lot of dialogue (ever go to a movie with a medical doctor, engineer, or programmer and hear them burst out laughing when the jargon starts flying?).

I think the more important questions are whether that scene plays well, if it's true to the movie. I think it is. It's not so much whether someone took a pretty photo of mountains or the beach.

2 cents.

[Raiders]

I remember years ago when Rumble in the Bronx came out, everybody laughed when there were mountains visible just outside the city (it was shot in Vancouver). More than just a single scene, nothing in that movie looked or felt like New York (much less the Bronx). But who cares? It's Jackie Chan.

To be honest, nobody is watching this stuff to be challenged, to think. They're in it for the entertainment.

Gaffes like this are embarrassing, sure. But to me, they're no different than the massive technical inaccuracies in a lot of dialogue (ever go to a movie with a medical doctor, engineer, or programmer and hear them burst out laughing when the jargon starts flying?).

I think the more important questions are whether that scene plays well, if it's true to the movie. I think it is. It's not so much whether someone took a pretty photo of mountains or the beach.

2 cents.

I wasn't arguing against this, just that it is something people familiar with the locations films claim to be shot in are usually going to make a small gripe about. I don't think Grouchy was stating that this was a major detriment to the film, just that it was a point of amusement/irritation for people from Argentina.

[number8]

I love Rumble in the Bronx. Boat chase in the Hudson River, which is as wide as the Pacific Ocean, with a great view of New Jersey's snow-capped mountains and forests.

[Irish]

I wasn't arguing against this, just that it is something people familiar with the locations films claim to be shot in are usually going to make a small gripe about. I don't think Grouchy was stating that this was a major detriment to the film, just that it was a point of amusement/irritation for people from Argentina.

Oh, I know -- I quoted you but I was pretty much responding to everybody, and generally disagree with W* and 8 that this mistake makes the film more thoughtless & that pointing out the error is a criticism worth considering.

[number8]

Isn't Matthew Vaughn English? Clearly he just doesn't have any goddamn respect for Argentina. Remember the Falklands.

[[ETM]]

What Winston posted. It's not like I was actually offended, mind you, but it was hilarious. There's a title in the screen saying VILLA GESELL and an image that says NOT.

Yeah, it's like when "Casino Royale" was set in "Montenegro". I don't think I've ever seen an audience laugh so hard. Mind you, the whole film-Montenegro was highly flattering and much better than the real thing. :lol:

[Grouchy]

I'm not Spanish, but I have enough common sense to know that the modern-day Sevilla we see in Mission: Impossible II is also pretty laughable.

[number8]

By the way, this whole thing made me want to watch the bar scene again, and I did, and at one point, the bartender calls Magneto "cabron." Is that a thing in Argentina, Grouchy? I always thought it was just a Mexican slang.

[Grouchy]

By the way, this whole thing made me want to watch the bar scene again, and I did, and at one point, the bartender calls Magneto "cabron." Is that a thing in Argentina, Grouchy? I always thought it was just a Mexican slang.
Yeah, "cabrón" is Mexican. The accent and the slang used in the scene are all wrong. But compared to the giant grassy mountain I thought I wouldn't even mention that.

There are several places in Argentina where WWII war criminals hid after Nüremberg - Bariloche, Villa General Belgrano, etc. Out of all those, Villa Gesell is to my knowledge the only one where a mountain is completely out of place.

[bac0n]

Kinda reminds me of a scene from Jingle All The Way, which was shot in Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

At one point Arnie's car breaks down on the Hennepin Bridge over the Mississippi River, in Minneapolis. Arnie gets behind his dead car and begins to push. The scene then cuts to him pushing the car up to Mickey's Diner. In Saint Paul. About 10 miles east of the Hennepin Bridge.

That was good for a chuckle.

[Scar]

Kinda reminds me of a scene from Jingle All The Way, which was shot in Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

At one point Arnie's car breaks down on the Hennepin Bridge over the Mississippi River, in Minneapolis. Arnie gets behind his dead car and begins to push. The scene then cuts to him pushing the car up to Mickey's Diner. In Saint Paul. About 10 miles east of the Hennepin Bridge.

That was good for a chuckle.

Well, it is Arnold.

[Skitch]

Damn. Someone give me a fucking geography book.

It happens. Languages, geography...martial arts styles...:lol:

[Skitch]

Well, it is Arnold.

We should start a whole thread for this kind of stuff.

[megladon8]

By the way, this whole thing made me want to watch the bar scene again, and I did, and at one point, the bartender calls Magneto "cabron." Is that a thing in Argentina, Grouchy? I always thought it was just a Mexican slang.


Cabron isn't just a Mexican thing, it's a latino thing.

It's a pretty bad curse word to call a guy. Type of thing you can actually get shot over in some neighbourhoods in Puerto Rico.

[Qrazy]

Cabron isn't just a Mexican thing, it's a latino thing.

It's a pretty bad curse word to call a guy. Type of thing you can actually get shot over in some neighbourhoods in Puerto Rico.

That depends where you are. In Mexico it is often a term of endearment between two friends.

In Puerto Rico it means cuckold.

[Ezee E]

Literal spanish translation is "asshole." But, slang...

[MadMan]

My thoughts on X-Men First Class can be found here: http://madman731.blogspot.com/2012/02/mutants-in-training.html

[soitgoes...]

Literal spanish translation is "asshole." But, slang...Not sure where you came up with that. The literal Spanish translation is a male goat.

[Grouchy]

Cabron isn't just a Mexican thing, it's a latino thing.

It's a pretty bad curse word to call a guy. Type of thing you can actually get shot over in some neighbourhoods in Puerto Rico.
No, it's only used in Mexico and Cuba. In Mexico it means cuckold, because of the horns of the animal, and it Cuba it's an adjective that means you're angry.

[Spun Lepton]

In Untamed Heart, Marisa Tomei is walking home from the diner she works at, and if she had actually walked where she was shown walking in sequence, she would've been walking in circles all over Minneapolis.

In Fargo, Steve Buscemi is supposed to be driving south from Fargo to Minneapolis, but as they're coming into the city, they're driving North on 35W.

But nobody noticed but the people who live here.

[Qrazy]

No, it's only used in Mexico and Cuba. In Mexico it means cuckold, because of the horns of the animal, and it Cuba it's an adjective that means you're angry.

Don't think that's true (at least for Mexico)...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cabr%C3%B3n

I went to school with quite a few exchange students from Mexico and they'd call each other Cabron in passing and not in a negative fashion.

[Grouchy]

Don't think that's true (at least for Mexico)...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cabr%C3%B3n

I went to school with quite a few exchange students from Mexico and they'd call each other Cabron in passing and not in a negative fashion.
Well, truth be told, I've never been to Mexico or Cuba. Apparently "cabrón" is used there the same way they use "buey" or we use "boludo", as an equivalent to just saying "man".

What I do know for sure is that nowhere in Argentina "cabrón" is a common word.

[number8]

This movie is educational as fuck.

[Skitch]

What I'm learning here is that my cracker ass should never said "cabron" under any circumstances, unless I'm looking for a fight.

[megladon8]

No, it's only used in Mexico and Cuba. In Mexico it means cuckold, because of the horns of the animal, and it Cuba it's an adjective that means you're angry.


No, it's used by most all latinos.

I lived in New York city, in the Bronx, with my fiancee (now wife) for quite some time. It was like 95% latino population there. Cabron was used a lot, and was not a good word.

So I gather it has many different meanings for different denominations of Spanish people. But it is most certainly not a word only used by Cubans and Mexicans, since Jen and her family are neither.

[EyesWideOpen]

As someone who has also lived in majority Latino populated areas my whole life in my experience it can be used both ways. If said to someone you don't know then obviously like any other negative word used at a stranger it can cause problems but the main way I've seen people use the word is in a friendly or "joking" sense with people they know.

[Ezee E]

Just like asshole is used amongst english-speaking people.

Slang... Weird!