View Full Version : The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012)
megladon8
07-22-2008, 12:48 PM
David Goyer revealed in an interview with MTV that "...while nothing is concrete, both a villain and a theme have been bandied about."
I think it's interesting that his seems much more psyched about the apparent theme they are going for, rather than the villain.
The interview is here. (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/07/21/exclusive-david-goyer-says-he-knows-the-theme-for-batman-3/)
Ezee E
07-22-2008, 01:32 PM
Did Goyer have any involvement in 2 at all?
megladon8
07-22-2008, 01:44 PM
Did Goyer have any involvement in 2 at all?
Yes, he came up with a lot of the story.
I'm pretty sure that the stuff involving...
The two boats, one with criminals, the other with citizens, was his idea. Though if I remember correctly, in his original script he had that as the main conflict of the film.
I figure the Nolans took story elements from him, then wrote their own dialogue and "depth" into the story, since his scripts tend to be pretty piss-poor.
Dukefrukem
07-22-2008, 01:58 PM
I haven't seen Dark Knight yet... but I'm guessing
Two Face?
Kurosawa Fan
07-22-2008, 03:30 PM
I haven't seen Dark Knight yet... but I'm guessing
Two Face?
Good guess.
Ezee E
07-22-2008, 03:42 PM
Good guess.
Might as well not even see the movie at this point. Good work duke.
Dukefrukem
07-22-2008, 03:46 PM
funny. but they could always throw a 2nd or 3rd villian in. i dunno if anything happened at the end of dark knight so...
Spinal
07-22-2008, 03:47 PM
And so it begins ...
Kurosawa Fan
07-22-2008, 03:48 PM
And so it begins ...
That was the first movie. Get with it. We're talking about number three here.
ledfloyd
07-22-2008, 11:08 PM
i'm kind of hoping for black mask. they did ra's al ghul and scarecrow, so i'm not sure that's too obscure for them. the riddler seems like the obvious choice. as long as they don't do the penguin.
MadMan
07-23-2008, 04:54 AM
I think the Penguin done right could make for an effective villain, but since they are going for "more realism" The Riddler would make a great deal more sense.
Grouchy
07-23-2008, 11:20 PM
i'm kind of hoping for black mask. they did ra's al ghul and scarecrow, so i'm not sure that's too obscure for them. the riddler seems like the obvious choice. as long as they don't do the penguin.
Wow, Black Mask is a pretty good idea - wouldn't have thought of that. I'd like Penguin as a supporting villain, it's not like he's a fantasy character in the comic, just in the Burton movies, but Nolan has already said he doesn't like it.
I'd like the Riddler but...
I hope they don't make his alter ego that guy that worked at Wayne Enterprises. Edward Nygma is an assertive, egomaniac type of person.
If Two-Face is not actually dead but being hidden by Gordon and Batman in Arkham... I'd go for that.
A third Batman movie would HAVE to include Robin. It's the next natural step - Batman/Wayne as a reluctant father figure.
megladon8
07-23-2008, 11:22 PM
Robin just wouldn't fit in this world.
Nolan's Batman is so very against putting anyone else in danger, to then take a child and put their life on the line would make no sense with what has already been established.
Also, Aaron Eckhart has agreed to do another film, so I guess we haven't seen the last of Two-Face.
Grouchy
07-23-2008, 11:28 PM
Robin just wouldn't fit in this world.
Nolan's Batman is so very against putting anyone else in danger, to then take a child and put their life on the line would make no sense with what has already been established.
This is true.
What if Robin just took the choice into his own hands and proved so able at it that Batman would have no choice but to accept his help? In the comics, I always get the vibe that it was Alfred the one who was dead-set against jeopardizing a young life, while Batman related more to how Dick Grayson felt - which is why he felt like a dick about the Jason Todd thing. In the movies it could be the other way around.
I'm just going wild with speculation here. Most likely the Nolan brothers don't want anything to do with Robin, given how realistic they want to keep the whole thing.
D_Davis
07-24-2008, 02:46 AM
Robin just wouldn't fit in this world.
Nolan's Batman is so very against putting anyone else in danger, to then take a child and put their life on the line would make no sense with what has already been established.
This is an interesting observation - good call.
EyesWideOpen
07-24-2008, 02:52 AM
Their is zero chance of Robin being in the next film.
Ivan Drago
07-24-2008, 03:01 AM
Also, Aaron Eckhart has agreed to do another film, so I guess we haven't seen the last of Two-Face.
Woah really? Do you have a link?
megladon8
07-24-2008, 03:27 AM
Woah really? Do you have a link?
It was on IMDB today...
Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman Film
23 July 2008 9:10 AM, PDT | From wenn.com | See recent WENN news
Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".
Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.
He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."
Grouchy
07-24-2008, 03:59 AM
He's only saying he WOULD do a third movie. Nobody has ASKED him to yet.
Ezee E
07-24-2008, 04:17 AM
And it's IMDB.
Two-Face could certainly be living though as I think about it. I just hope they don't go that route.
My idea would be going along the lines of Mad Hatter with a mind-controlling theme or Poison Ivy with some EPA shiz, maybe get one of the creatures involved in that way, Man-Bat being the best. But still, blegh. If Heath were around, sure, Joker. But...
MadMan
07-24-2008, 05:20 AM
And it's IMDB.
Two-Face could certainly be living though as I think about it. I just hope they don't go that route.
My idea would be going along the lines of Mad Hatter with a mind-controlling theme or Poison Ivy with some EPA shiz, maybe get one of the creatures involved in that way, Man-Bat being the best. But still, blegh. If Heath were around, sure, Joker. But...Poison Ivy would make for a terrible villain. Mad Hatter could only work as a secondary villain, seeing as how he never really was anything more than that. Although based off of the old animated series Mad Hatter was really cool, and he would actually fit in somewhat with the current attempts to keep the movies realistic.
Dukefrukem
07-24-2008, 11:26 AM
And it's IMDB.
Two-Face could certainly be living though as I think about it. I just hope they don't go that route.
My idea would be going along the lines of Mad Hatter with a mind-controlling theme or Poison Ivy with some EPA shiz, maybe get one of the creatures involved in that way, Man-Bat being the best. But still, blegh. If Heath were around, sure, Joker. But...
You think we had enough Two Face in Dark Knight? I don't. I was disappointing. I thought they were just gonna setup Two Face's role in the third film but they ended up pulling a Spiderman 3 on us. I want more Two Face before i see any other villain.
Sycophant
07-24-2008, 02:33 PM
I'm glad at least the film didn't preoccupy itself with setting up a third film. It did work fairly well resolving itself without beating us with "COME BACK IN THREE YEARS FOR MORE ZANINESS!" If Two-Face shows up again, meh.
Kurosawa Fan
07-24-2008, 02:53 PM
I'm glad at least the film didn't preoccupy itself with setting up a third film. It did work fairly well resolving itself without beating us with "COME BACK IN THREE YEARS FOR MORE ZANINESS!" If Two-Face shows up again, meh.
Agreed. He was fairly lame the first time around, let's not go for round two.
Skitch
07-24-2008, 09:38 PM
As bad as The Batman animated show (the new one! the new one!) can be, the only way I could accept a Robin in this Nolanverse is if it were handled the way Batgirl was handled in said animated show. That is, she does her own thing, Batman refusing to train her, till it becomes unavoidable, and he realizes if he doesn't, they'll keep doing it on their own. THEN he RELUCTANTLY agrees to train the Robin.
Maybe at the very end of the film...that way, someone else can take over, and completely ruin everything Nolan has created. ;)
EDIT: I would be very ok with Two-Face being in the third.
SirNewt
07-25-2008, 06:46 AM
I just don't see how they can make a third. The Joker was beautifully contradictory. He was compelled to stand against batman because he could but in the end he had to validate himself. (I don't think you can ponder the philosophy of super heroes better than this script did). And, Ledger played it for all he could. You cannot top that. Also, these films have kept the overarching conflict very cerebral so far and so that leaves you a handful of choices because they have to match wits with Wayne and at the same time teach him something about Batman. Return of Raz via lazerus pit or Freeze, neither of which would seem to work in Noland's world. Maybe, The Dark Knight Returns would work. He would just have to leap ahead thirty years which doesn't seem like it would work either.
Dead & Messed Up
07-25-2008, 06:59 AM
Well, what is the third film going to be about?
That is to say, the first film is about Batman's training and mastery of fear. So the logical villains were R'as and Scarecrow. The second film is about escalation - what Batman provokes from the city. So we get two people fighting for that escalation: Harvey Dent and the Joker.
The third film will probably be about Batman trying to find out what side of the law he's really on, since the cops are now after him in full-force. That suggests, to me, Catwoman, who also frequently towed the line between legal and illegal.
It would also do something to offset the sausage quotient in Gotham.
DavidSeven
07-25-2008, 07:39 AM
Burton/Keaton stepped away after two features. Perhaps Nolan/Bale will do the same. I'm sure both have generated enough good will from The Dark Knight, commercially and critically, to do what they want for a long time.
ledfloyd
07-26-2008, 01:04 AM
what do people think about talia al ghul playing some role in the third film?
SirNewt
07-26-2008, 03:41 AM
what do people think about talia al ghul playing some role in the third film?
Good call says I. It would escalate the romance situation into something more sinister/complex without the need for Catwoman. As I said bringing back Raz or somehow making Freeze work in Nolan's universe are the only two ways I can see of keeping the mental battlefield strong. So making a Raz resurrection work in Nolanland and bringing in Talia would possibly satisfy me.
Qrazy
07-26-2008, 08:09 AM
Well, what is the third film going to be about?
That is to say, the first film is about Batman's training and mastery of fear. So the logical villains were R'as and Scarecrow. The second film is about escalation - what Batman provokes from the city. So we get two people fighting for that escalation: Harvey Dent and the Joker.
The third film will probably be about Batman trying to find out what side of the law he's really on, since the cops are now after him in full-force. That suggests, to me, Catwoman, who also frequently towed the line between legal and illegal.
It would also do something to offset the sausage quotient in Gotham.
I'd say the third film should have him questioning his role in everything resulting in him either giving up vigilante status and hanging up the costume by films end (symbol lives on perhaps to be taken up by someone else) or dying (although not obviously so that he could still be alive). Two Face (if what I heard is true) and Catwoman could be the primary antagonists... with Catwoman being mixed.
SirNewt
07-27-2008, 04:48 AM
I'd say the third film should have him questioning his role in everything resulting in him either giving up vigilante status and hanging up the costume by films end (symbol lives on perhaps to be taken up by someone else) or dying (although not obviously so that he could still be alive). Two Face (if what I heard is true) and Catwoman could be the primary antagonists... with Catwoman being mixed.
This I like. It would allow for a Dark Knight Returns film which we all want anyway.
Qrazy
07-27-2008, 06:05 AM
This I like. It would allow for a Dark Knight Returns film which we all want anyway.
What's the story with that? I don't know much about it. It takes place 30 years later or something?
megladon8
07-27-2008, 12:46 PM
What's the story with that? I don't know much about it. It takes place 30 years later or something?
Yeah, it's actually an "ElseWorlds" story if I remember correctly - doesn't actually have anything to do with the real Batman world.
It's 20 years into an alternate future, and Batman's been retired for a while. He comes back into the game to fight the Mutants (a vicious gang of genetically altered, well, mutants) and the return of the Joker (who has also aged quite a bit).
It also sees a new Robin, a 13 year old girl named Carrie Kelley. While a lot of the story is seen through her eyes, sort of worshipping Batman, she actually becomes an intrinsic part of the plot later on.
It's a fantastic read, and IMO only slightly less brilliant than Miller's "Batman: Year One".
Interestingly, one of Miller's greatest influences in writing the dialogue for Batman in "DKR" was Clint Eastwood - specifically, Dirty Harry.
Then, about 10 years ago, Eastwood actually said that he really liked the story, and was considering an offer to both direct and star in a film version of the book, but nothing came of it, and of course now he's too old and I'm sure his interest has subsided.
Melville
07-27-2008, 03:51 PM
the Mutants (a vicious gang of genetically altered, well, mutants)
They were genetically altered? As far as I know, they were just teenage thugs.
But, yeah, the comic is good stuff. It covers a lot of the same ground as The Dark Knight movie, including Batman impersonators, Batman causing an escalation of violence (the Joker comes out of a catatonic state because he sees Batman on TV), Batman employing totalitarian methods, duality in Batman and his enemies, and so on, but it does so in an ultra-pulpy way that's loaded with political satire.
Edit: Now that I think of it, Qrazy might find the whole thing too glibly pulpy.
origami_mustache
07-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Riddler + Catwoman seems like the only combo that could compete with topping Joker+Twoface and remain somewhat realistic.
Acapelli
07-27-2008, 04:44 PM
i think trying to top tdk would be an awful way to go about the sequel. they should bring it down to the street level, have batman develop his detective skills even further (which was shown a bit in in tdk)
origami_mustache
07-27-2008, 05:14 PM
i think trying to top tdk would be an awful way to go about the sequel. they should bring it down to the street level, have batman develop his detective skills even further (which was shown a bit in in tdk)
zzzzzzzzzzzz
Dead & Messed Up
07-27-2008, 06:09 PM
I didn't really care for The Dark Knight Returns. Its themes were interesting, but the deviations with Superman and Green Arrow were boring to me, and the future-shock world of mutants and Orwellian news coverage seemed like ideas that Miller awkwardly fit into Gotham.
I was much more satisfied by Year One and The Long Halloween.
Lucky
07-27-2008, 08:30 PM
Weren't there rumors during production of TDK that they were looking for an actress to cast as Harley Quinn? With The Joker out of the picture they might drop that idea for a third movie, though.
Qrazy
07-27-2008, 10:18 PM
They were genetically altered? As far as I know, they were just teenage thugs.
But, yeah, the comic is good stuff. It covers a lot of the same ground as The Dark Knight movie, including Batman impersonators, Batman causing an escalation of violence (the Joker comes out of a catatonic state because he sees Batman on TV), Batman employing totalitarian methods, duality in Batman and his enemies, and so on, but it does so in an ultra-pulpy way that's loaded with political satire.
Edit: Now that I think of it, Qrazy might find the whole thing too glibly pulpy.
You may be right but I tend to enjoy pulp as long as it has a style which speaks to me... I think I'll start with Watchmen and Sandman before this though... graphic novels are a fairly large artistic blindspot for me.
Melville
07-27-2008, 10:26 PM
Sandman
It sucks.
If you're just starting out with comics, I recommend Jimmy Corrigan over any of the famous superhero stuff. It's way more formally interesting, it has black humor that should be right up your alley, and it has a more affecting story.
Dukefrukem
07-27-2008, 10:36 PM
is Morgan Freeman out of the third film? I remember him saying that he wasn't going to work for Wayne as long as he had the device around, but inputting the password destroyed it right?
Acapelli
07-27-2008, 11:32 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzz
this is exactly why the studios wouldn't go through with it
Ezee E
07-27-2008, 11:44 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzz
Wats' idea of doing something like Seven would be pretty damn cool if set in Gotham with a villain like Man-Bat or Mad Hatter behind it all.
megladon8
07-28-2008, 01:53 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzz
Wait...you'd find it boring to watch a Batman detective movie?
origami_mustache
07-28-2008, 02:11 AM
Wait...you'd find it boring to watch a Batman detective movie?
I was kind of joking, although I don't find Batman's character very interesting; I have always been much more interested in the villains in comic/horror/fantasy films. Actually I think it would pretty interesting to do a Batman noir variation or something like that, and it is probably a better alternative to trying to top The Dark Knight, but I can't see the studios going for that as Acapelli has already pointed out.
Ezee E
07-28-2008, 03:37 AM
I was kind of joking, although I don't find Batman's character very interesting; I have always been much more interested in the villains in comic/horror/fantasy films. Actually I think it would pretty interesting to do a Batman noir variation or something like that, and it is probably a better alternative to trying to top The Dark Knight, but I can't see the studios going for that as Acapelli has already pointed out.
It'd be a wild approach, but you could definitely fit in some chase scenes. Take a look at The Departed, a cat & mouse movie that has only one, maybe two explosions in it.
Seven, a police procedural, is gripping the whole way through.
It'd be a unique, and won't ever happen, but it could easily work.
Qrazy
07-28-2008, 04:12 AM
It sucks.
If you're just starting out with comics, I recommend Jimmy Corrigan over any of the famous superhero stuff. It's way more formally interesting, it has black humor that should be right up your alley, and it has a more affecting story.
Nice, I'm on it.
megladon8
07-28-2008, 04:20 AM
My Batman script is a detective story.
Has my own twist on the Joker origin.
/nerd
Sycophant
07-28-2008, 04:38 AM
My Batman script is a detective story.
Has my own twist on the Joker origin.
/nerdDo people who write Batman scripts consider themselves fanfic writers?
megladon8
07-28-2008, 04:41 AM
Do people who write Batman scripts consider themselves fanfic writers?
I guess so.
I wrote it for a drama class that I didn't take seriously, but I thought it was kind of neat.
origami_mustache
07-28-2008, 07:21 AM
Anyone else hear the rumor of Daniel Day-Lewis taking on The Joker role in the next film? I don't think it will happen by any means, but I am curious as to how people would respond to this. Would it be a disservice to Ledger or a great tribute replacing him with an actor of DDL's caliber.
Qrazy
07-28-2008, 07:31 AM
Anyone else hear the rumor of Daniel Day-Lewis taking on The Joker role in the next film? I don't think it will happen by any means, but I am curious as to how people would respond to this. Would it be a disservice to Ledger or a great tribute replacing him with an actor of DDL's caliber.
If they had to bring him back DDL would be a good choice but personally I'd just let him lie and bring in a different villain. In fact I wish Holmes had come back for Dawes, I don't like recast roles in sequels/trilogies... better to write the character out and write a new one in... Coppola got around Brando in Godfather Part II and around Duvall in Part III.
Winston*
07-28-2008, 07:31 AM
Anyone else hear the rumor of Daniel Day-Lewis taking on The Joker role in the next film?
I'm going to go out on a limb here to peg that as fanboy wishful thinking.
origami_mustache
07-28-2008, 03:23 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here to peg that as fanboy wishful thinking.
no doubt
Dukefrukem
07-28-2008, 05:06 PM
If they had to bring him back DDL would be a good choice but personally I'd just let him lie and bring in a different villain. In fact I wish Holmes had come back for Dawes, I don't like recast roles in sequels/trilogies... better to write the character out and write a new one in... Coppola got around Brando in Godfather Part II and around Duvall in Part III.
I don't agree they should let him die. He took control of the city too well in DK and even though he claimed to not have a master plan, he definitely did and it caused massive chaos. I think he should have a small role in the 3rd film.
Qrazy
07-28-2008, 05:36 PM
I don't agree they should let him die. He took control of the city too well in DK and even though he claimed to not have a master plan, he definitely did and it caused massive chaos. I think he should have a small role in the 3rd film.
As I said I don't like role recasting particularly when the performance was that good... and a small role would just be superfluous in my mind. It works for someone like Scarecrow because he's something of a limp-wristed villian to begin with. A small role for Joker wouldn't make sense to me though unless he became something like Batman's Hannibal Lecter in Arkham... dispensing advice to deal with the new threat but secretly manipulating Batman in order to escape.
origami_mustache
07-28-2008, 05:39 PM
I think he should have a small role in the 3rd film.
I hate the thought of seeing someone else play The Joker, but in terms of what is best for the story, I think utilizing his character in a small way to introduce somewhat similar villains like Harley Quinn, The Riddler, and even The Mad Hatter is a good option.
Qrazy
07-28-2008, 05:51 PM
I hate the thought of seeing someone else play The Joker, but in terms of what is best for the story, I think utilizing his character in a small way to introduce somewhat similar villains like Harley Quinn, The Riddler, and even The Mad Hatter is a good option.
I think we should just avoid all those villians since they're so similar (Why so similar?). Introduce Catwoman for sure (there was even a cat line in The Dark Knight in relation to his weaponry... will this work on dogs? It will work on cats.) and then either resurrect Two-face or bring in The Penguin.
origami_mustache
07-28-2008, 05:55 PM
and then either resurrect Two-face or bring in The Penguin.
yeah, if Two-face is actually dead that was an incredibly weak death scene.
Qrazy
07-28-2008, 05:59 PM
yeah, if Two-face is actually dead that was an incredibly weak death scene.
Yeah personally I felt Eckhardt could have been a little crazier. He was great as Dent but as Two-face he seemed more grief stricken than crazy... which is fine if all you're doing is exacting revenge but if you're going to begin a life of supervilliany it helps to crazy it up a bit.
SirNewt
07-29-2008, 02:28 AM
Yeah, it's actually an "ElseWorlds" story if I remember correctly - doesn't actually have anything to do with the real Batman world.
It's 20 years into an alternate future, and Batman's been retired for a while. He comes back into the game to fight the Mutants (a vicious gang of genetically altered, well, mutants) and the return of the Joker (who has also aged quite a bit).
It also sees a new Robin, a 13 year old girl named Carrie Kelley. While a lot of the story is seen through her eyes, sort of worshipping Batman, she actually becomes an intrinsic part of the plot later on.
It's a fantastic read, and IMO only slightly less brilliant than Miller's "Batman: Year One".
Interestingly, one of Miller's greatest influences in writing the dialogue for Batman in "DKR" was Clint Eastwood - specifically, Dirty Harry.
Then, about 10 years ago, Eastwood actually said that he really liked the story, and was considering an offer to both direct and star in a film version of the book, but nothing came of it, and of course now he's too old and I'm sure his interest has subsided.
Steal my thunder why don't you. :cool: Eastwood would've been a great old Wayne.
You may be right but I tend to enjoy pulp as long as it has a style which speaks to me... I think I'll start with Watchmen and Sandman before this though... graphic novels are a fairly large artistic blindspot for me.
Same, as far as comics go I've read the first year of The Spirit and The Dark Knight Returns. That's pretty much it. I have/had intentions of reading more. . . really I do/did.
is Morgan Freeman out of the third film? I remember him saying that he wasn't going to work for Wayne as long as he had the device around, but inputting the password destroyed it right?
Yes, and he gave a knowing smile indicating his satisfaction.
I'm going to go out on a limb here to peg that as fanboy wishful thinking.
Winston kicks ass as usual.
I think we should just avoid all those villians since they're so similar (Why so similar?). Introduce Catwoman for sure (there was even a cat line in The Dark Knight in relation to his weaponry... will this work on dogs? It will work on cats.) and then either resurrect Two-face or bring in The Penguin.
Yes, I still say Freeze is a great villain but I guess he wouldn't work in this Batman.
SirNewt
07-29-2008, 02:32 AM
Yeah personally I felt Eckhardt could have been a little crazier. He was great as Dent but as Two-face he seemed more grief stricken than crazy... which is fine if all you're doing is exacting revenge but if you're going to begin a life of supervilliany it helps to crazy it up a bit.
Let's not forget that in this situation he was maybe out of his league.
http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ledger-as-joker.jpg
They tried the whole crazy duo thing with the Riddler and Two Face and they just came off as assholes.
Qrazy
07-29-2008, 03:13 AM
Let's not forget that in this situation he was maybe out of his league.
http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ledger-as-joker.jpg
They tried the whole crazy duo thing with the Riddler and Two Face and they just came off as assholes.
Yeah true I guess Ras Al Ghul (sp?) and Scarecrow weren't that crazy and they still worked as villians... but there's something about a guy that has half his face melted off where I just expect a little more psychosis.
origami_mustache
07-29-2008, 12:07 PM
Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin. :lol:
Ezee E
07-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin. :lol:
That was rumoured during the time when Crispin Glover was going to be the Joker.
Grouchy
07-29-2008, 06:45 PM
I'd just like to point out that when people consider Riddler a Joker stand-in villain, they're probably being influenced by Jim Carrey's performance in Batman Forever, but the character is much more interesting than that. In Schumacher's world, every villain is a Joker wannabe and Two-Face doesn't even respect the coin's results.
In fact, the Riddler is a cool, collected master thief. He's not even a killer, he doesn't kill anybody, which makes him inmediately different from the Joker. All Riddler wants is to pit his intelligence against that of the Batman and fool him and the police with clues. In the comics, he's also one of the very few villains (others being Hugo Strange and R'as Al Ghul) to have single-handedly figured out Batman's secret identity.
Dead & Messed Up
07-29-2008, 10:30 PM
I'd just like to point out that when people consider Riddler a Joker stand-in villain, they're probably being influenced by Jim Carrey's performance in Batman Forever, but the character is much more interesting than that. In Schumacher's world, every villain is a Joker wannabe and Two-Face doesn't even respect the coin's results.
In fact, the Riddler is a cool, collected master thief. He's not even a killer, he doesn't kill anybody, which makes him inmediately different from the Joker. All Riddler wants is to pit his intelligence against that of the Batman and fool him and the police with clues. In the comics, he's also one of the very few villains (others being Hugo Strange and R'as Al Ghul) to have single-handedly figured out Batman's secret identity.
Of course, the trick then is to establish the stakes. Because no fatalities means less tension, especially after the blood-soaked sprees of The Dark Knight.
I like the idea of scaling back, but will that be as immediately compelling?
Ezee E
07-30-2008, 05:00 AM
Of course, the trick then is to establish the stakes. Because no fatalities means less tension, especially after the blood-soaked sprees of The Dark Knight.
I like the idea of scaling back, but will that be as immediately compelling?
Perhaps unsolved murders leads to a Gotham riot or something.
If they pay me, I'll damn well figure a way out. :)
MadMan
07-30-2008, 07:07 AM
In all honesty I'm expecting a rather scaled back third film, especially since the second film will be nearly impossible to top. Which is why perhaps a third film shouldn't happen at all, although God knows apparently there's the Hollywood compulsion to make trilogies (and then go beyond three films when the first three make tons of money, of course).
Qrazy
07-30-2008, 12:13 PM
If they make a third film (the original cast and crew), given the fact we're all having such trouble coming up with solid villians and plot, I predict it won't be made for a while and if and when it is it will be the Godfather Part III of the series.
Maybe after Terminator salvation the studio will hand the reigns off to McG and he'll become the new Schumacher with the franchise.
megladon8
07-30-2008, 04:55 PM
Both Angelina Jolie and Julie Newmar want Jolie to play Catwoman (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2008/07/27/2008-07-27_batman_icon_julie_newmar_sa ys_angelina_j.html)
I'm not sure whether they are interested in having Jolie front her own "Catwoman" movie, or if they want her as part of Nolan's franchise, but...blech.
number8
07-30-2008, 08:37 PM
The fact that my Batman castings from 5 years ago are turning into these rumors are both cool and unsettling.
Grouchy
07-31-2008, 12:42 AM
The fact that my Batman castings from 5 years ago are turning into these rumors are both cool and unsettling.
Crispin Glover's Joker and Ray Liotta's Two-Face didn't come through, though.
I still agree with you that Timothy Spall should be Penguin, but if you ask me about the Riddler, it should be Sam Rockwell and not Jude Law.
Jesus, for some reason I remember all those castings pretty clearly.
MadMan
07-31-2008, 12:48 AM
Crispin Glover's Joker and Ray Liotta's Two-Face didn't come through, though.
I still agree with you that Timothy Spall should be Penguin, but if you ask me about the Riddler, it should be Sam Rockwell and not Jude Law.
Jesus, for some reason I remember all those castings pretty clearly.I would love to see Sam Rockwell as the Riddler. That would be awesome.
megladon8
07-31-2008, 12:48 AM
Hell, Sam Rockwell could probably do a pretty wicked Joker.
Ezee E
07-31-2008, 01:39 AM
Hell, Sam Rockwell could probably do a pretty wicked Joker.
Sam Rockwell would do a pretty damn good anything.
number8
07-31-2008, 02:10 AM
Crispin Glover's Joker and Ray Liotta's Two-Face didn't come through, though.
Yes, and I don't think Jolie would come true as well, but it's just the fact that they come up in casting rumors, you know?
Eerie too that my castings became a topic of conversation during dinner at San Diego a few nights ago with the group. I had forgotten many of them but Barty and Watashi apparently remember pretty well.
I still like Hugo Weaving as Freeze and Ian Holm as Mad Hatter. Like, a lot.
MadMan
07-31-2008, 02:23 AM
I really donno about Weaving as Freeze. But Ian Holm as the Mad Hatter? Hell yeah that could work.
Dukefrukem
07-31-2008, 02:47 AM
I like Hugo Weaving as Freeze! I think I have such a bad taste from Arnold as freeze that I would automatically assume it would be something like that... But there's no way in hell it would. I can see a crazed obsessed Weaving playing the part, but how would they bring forth his nickname? They're not gonna make him walk around in a helmet.
Ezee E
07-31-2008, 02:56 AM
Martin Short IS The Mad Hatter people.
Ezee E
07-31-2008, 03:17 AM
Also, Ary, I don't know if it was just you that came up with those rumors, because someone I know that isn't even Match Cut related talked about Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin for Batman 3.
MadMan
07-31-2008, 03:29 AM
Martin Short IS The Mad Hatter people.Eh, that's too obvious and cliche. Plus Short really isn't much of an actor. He's alright as a comedian though.
PSH could work as the Penguin, but I'm not too high on him playing the part.
number8
07-31-2008, 04:11 AM
Also, Ary, I don't know if it was just you that came up with those rumors, because someone I know that isn't even Match Cut related talked about Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin for Batman 3.
I never said PSH as Penguin, though. Actually I think that's an awful choice.
Timothy Spall fo sho.
SirNewt
07-31-2008, 04:31 AM
I like Hugo Weaving as Freeze! I think I have such a bad taste from Arnold as freeze that I would automatically assume it would be something like that... But there's no way in hell it would. I can see a crazed obsessed Weaving playing the part, but how would they bring forth his nickname? They're not gonna make him walk around in a helmet.
They would have to: at least I think so. Just think of freeze without the strength suite and helmet. It's kind of boring. I remember as a kid watching an episode of the old batman show (I didn't watch many). But, my brother told me Freeze was in it so I stuck through the lame weirdness to see him. It turned out he was just a mastermind hiding in a cold building that sustained him. He wasn't menacing because he was basically handicapped and he wasn't a good mastermind because comics have provided so much better (Brainiac).
So that's the inherint problem with freeze being in Nolan's universe. His villains, while remaining realistic have been faithful to the comics. Freeze without his gun and strength suite is just dull.
Now this might work. Give Freeze one of those new SARCOS exosuites and start from there. The military connection worked for Wayne and Ironman why not Freeze?
Also, I thought of this. Introduce an ancillary hero. Most DC heros wouldn't work in Nolanland but maybe skip Robin and go straight to Nighthawk. Nighthawk would prove himself capable and Batman would accept him as a reluctant ally. They wouldn't team up per say but maybe chance encounters?
Grouchy
07-31-2008, 05:02 AM
Also, I thought of this. Introduce an ancillary hero. Most DC heros wouldn't work in Nolanland but maybe skip Robin and go straight to Nighthawk. Nighthawk would prove himself capable and Batman would accept him as a reluctant ally. They wouldn't team up per say but maybe chance encounters?
I think you mean Nightwing. So, you're basically saying, do the Dick Grayson circus story but have Grayson be already on his 20s or so, like in Batman Forever, so he puts on the Nightwing suit? Hm. That could work around the fact that Nolan's Wayne doesn't look like he could ever put a kid in danger.
I was thinking the other day (and I spoke about that in my review) about how Nolan is basically doing alternate, more realistic versions of the characters. Scarecrow hasn't got a full-on scarecrow costume, he's just a crazy shrink with a mask. Ra's Al Ghul is seemingly not inmortal. The Joker doesn't have his face disfigured like a clown with acid, he has a Glasgow smile and self-applies clown make up. It even makes more sense that Two Face would die within weeks of being born, because, seriously, how could you live so much with half your face destroyed?
I can't say, if I ever did a Batman movie, I'd want that level of realism. But it works for Nolan. Maybe because he fears audiences aren't going to buy into the more nuanced drama if he opens the door to fantasy?
Dukefrukem
07-31-2008, 07:18 AM
I dony like the idea of Batman getting help here. And now that SirNewt mentions it, I don't like a Freeze villain.
Qrazy
07-31-2008, 07:40 AM
I can't say, if I ever did a Batman movie, I'd want that level of realism. But it works for Nolan. Maybe because he fears audiences aren't going to buy into the more nuanced drama if he opens the door to fantasy?
Nah I think he just prefers 'realism'. It's his style.
number8
07-31-2008, 07:34 PM
I did like the insinuation that Ra's immortality is an illusion trick, that they just had several people over generations taking up the Ra's Al Ghul moniker (which is obviously a stage name if you know Arabic).
SirNewt
08-01-2008, 07:33 AM
I think you mean Nightwing. So, you're basically saying, do the Dick Grayson circus story but have Grayson be already on his 20s or so, like in Batman Forever, so he puts on the Nightwing suit? Hm. That could work around the fact that Nolan's Wayne doesn't look like he could ever put a kid in danger.
I was thinking the other day (and I spoke about that in my review) about how Nolan is basically doing alternate, more realistic versions of the characters. Scarecrow hasn't got a full-on scarecrow costume, he's just a crazy shrink with a mask. Ra's Al Ghul is seemingly not inmortal. The Joker doesn't have his face disfigured like a clown with acid, he has a Glasgow smile and self-applies clown make up. It even makes more sense that Two Face would die within weeks of being born, because, seriously, how could you live so much with half your face destroyed?
I can't say, if I ever did a Batman movie, I'd want that level of realism. But it works for Nolan. Maybe because he fears audiences aren't going to buy into the more nuanced drama if he opens the door to fantasy?
ooops, yeah, Nightwing. The most knowledge I have of batman is from the New Adventures of Batman and Superman cartoon of the nineties. Actually my knowledge of most comic heroes is superficial in the same way.
I dony like the idea of Batman getting help here. And now that SirNewt mentions it, I don't like a Freeze villain.
The issue wouldn't be so much about their alliance but of the right of other humans to become vigilantes. You could dig into the ideas Nolan has hit on so far. If Nightwing was capable, and kept to a strict moral code, even perhaps a stricter one than Batman, the question one of the impersonator's asks at the beginning of 'The Dark Knight', "what gives you the right and not me?" would gain some serious validity.
Actually, the more I think about it the more I think this is the next necessary step. If the third film is to escalate, bringing in mass vigilantism and all the effective ugliness that can spawn is an excellent way to do that.
Nah I think he just prefers 'realism'. It's his style.
Maybe but realism narrows the interpretation a bit therefore, making it easier to choose a direction. Perhaps Burton, Shumaker and all the animated/live action interpreters have shown us before that full fantasy can go many was and many of those interpretations easily breed discomfort with viewers.
megladon8
08-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Johnny Depp for The Riddler, and Philip Seymour Hoffman for The Penguin?
Well, the producers want it. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2480975/Batman-sequel-to-The-Dark-Knight-Johnny-Depp-to-play-The-Riddler.html)
Dukefrukem
08-01-2008, 04:29 PM
I can see Depp pulling it off big time.
Dead & Messed Up
08-01-2008, 10:13 PM
Johnny Depp for The Riddler, and Philip Seymour Hoffman for The Penguin?
Well, the producers want it. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2480975/Batman-sequel-to-The-Dark-Knight-Johnny-Depp-to-play-The-Riddler.html)
The producers should save their breath. Let the Nolans and Goyer figure out the right direction for the next film. The studio trusted them this far, and they're near a billion in box office revenue for the two films.
Qrazy
08-01-2008, 10:52 PM
The producers should save their breath. Let the Nolans and Goyer figure out the right direction for the next film. The studio trusted them this far, and they're near a billion in box office revenue for the two films.
It must feel good to make back your budget in a little over a week.
megladon8
08-25-2008, 09:18 PM
Cher for Catwoman? (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017852.html)
Yikes.
Dead & Messed Up
08-25-2008, 09:35 PM
Cher for Catwoman? (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017852.html)
Yikes.
I don't buy that for a second. The source is a studio exec, probably some tertiary producer with dollar signs in his eyes.
megladon8
08-25-2008, 09:38 PM
I don't buy that for a second. The source is a studio exec, probably some tertiary producer with dollar signs in his eyes.
The mere idea that someone published an article connecting Cher and the Nolan Batman movies was enough to give me an ear infection.
Lasse
08-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Cher for Catwoman? (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017852.html)
Yikes.
:lol:
No way. No. Way.
Ezee E
08-26-2008, 03:52 AM
But then they could put up Oscar-Winner...
Sycophant
08-26-2008, 04:27 AM
Timothy Spall fo sho.
I like that idea.
So, guys, wanna get this thread up to 100 pages of anticipation before the film is even properly announced?
megladon8
08-26-2008, 11:21 AM
I like that idea.
So, guys, wanna get this thread up to 100 pages of anticipation before the film is even properly announced?
80% of the posts will be number8 and I.
Honestly, I think the third movie will bomb.
Well, maybe not an all-out bomb, but I bet it'll break even and not much more.
WB will spend unheard-of amounts marketing and developing it, and by the time it's released, the general public will be so tired of superhero movies that it won't do as well as predicted.
Then, I believe, we will see the official (and quick) decline of this subgenre.
Skitch
08-26-2008, 12:01 PM
I disagree with every thing you said there, meg.
Srsly?
megladon8
08-26-2008, 12:05 PM
I disagree with every thing you said there, meg.
Srsly?
Yes, definitely.
I just don't think superhero movies are going to hold audiences' interest for very much longer, especially with the enormous line-up Marvel has over the next few years.
The third Batman movie is not going to touch The Dark Knight's success.
I think The Dark Knight was a case of the right movie coming out at the perfect time.
EyesWideOpen
08-26-2008, 12:44 PM
80% of the posts will be number8 and I.
Honestly, I think the third movie will bomb.
Well, maybe not an all-out bomb, but I bet it'll break even and not much more.
WB will spend unheard-of amounts marketing and developing it, and by the time it's released, the general public will be so tired of superhero movies that it won't do as well as predicted.
Then, I believe, we will see the official (and quick) decline of this subgenre.
It'll never happen.
Their is zero chance of a third Batman film "bombing". It will surely not make as much money as The Dark Knight which was a rarity as far as moneymakers go but it will still make a ton.
Sycophant
08-26-2008, 04:02 PM
I think someone probably said something similar to when the second Spider-Man film came out. The Dark Knight benefited from the Ledger buzz, true, but a third film will still do boffo business if it comes out in the next four years, which it will.
Ezee E
08-26-2008, 04:08 PM
I think someone probably said something similar to when the second Spider-Man film came out. The Dark Knight benefited from the Ledger buzz, true, but a third film will still do boffo business if it comes out in the next four years, which it will.
Syc is right. The superhero genre has been going strong for eight years. The ratio of good to bad may be changing, but every three-four years there's another great one that just keeps them coming.
This year, we've had two.
I expect Wolverine to at least be above average. Iron Man 2 in 2010 has the opportunity to be better than the first for the same reason as Dark Knight.
Nope, not anytime in the near future at least.
transmogrifier
08-26-2008, 10:23 PM
Then, I believe, we will see the official (and quick) decline of this subgenre.
Don't tease.
Qrazy
08-26-2008, 11:45 PM
80% of the posts will be number8 and I.
Honestly, I think the third movie will bomb.
Well, maybe not an all-out bomb, but I bet it'll break even and not much more.
WB will spend unheard-of amounts marketing and developing it, and by the time it's released, the general public will be so tired of superhero movies that it won't do as well as predicted.
Then, I believe, we will see the official (and quick) decline of this subgenre.
And I predict that everything you just said will not come to pass.
Dukefrukem
09-09-2008, 02:43 PM
Caine, Depp and Hoffman address the casting rumors.
by Jim Vejvoda
September 8, 2008 - Either Michael Caine believes all the Batman 3 casting gossip that he reads in the British tabloids, or he knows something we don't. Well, now we know it, too, because he's blabbed about it.
In a chat with MTV, the actor who portrays Alfred the butler in Christopher Nolan's Batman films said, "They've already got (the villains) in mind. ... It's Johnny Depp as The Riddler. And The Penguin is Philip Seymour Hoffman. I read it in the paper."
But before you completely dismiss this comment as a glib throwaway line, Caine revealed, ""I was with [a Warner Bros.] executive and I said, 'Are we going to make another one?' They said yeah. I said, 'How the hell are we going to top Heath [Ledger as The Joker]? And he says 'I'll tell you how you top Heath — Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin.' I said, '(Expletive), they've done it again!'"
hmm
Ezee E
09-09-2008, 04:05 PM
hmm
And that's probably a joke too.
Grouchy
09-09-2008, 05:25 PM
I think that Michael Caine is too skilled at British humor for Yankee tabloids. Everything he just said there smells of irony. "I read it in the paper" and "They've done it again!". Come on. He's just getting a laugh.
number8
09-09-2008, 07:42 PM
Yeah, really. It's a joke.
Sycophant
09-09-2008, 08:18 PM
Yeah, if you can't figure out whether or not that's a joke, just imagine Michael Caine saying it.
MadMan
09-10-2008, 08:07 PM
Michael Caine should be in more comedies. The guy has a natural and rather sharp wit.
Sxottlan
10-07-2008, 08:43 AM
Who IGN doesn't (http://stars.ign.com/articles/916/916194p1.html) want in a possible third film.
I agree with most of them. Although there's no reason to not have some scaled back Killer Croc. Like some big background thug with a skin problem or something.
SirNewt
10-17-2008, 01:15 AM
Who IGN doesn't (http://stars.ign.com/articles/916/916194p1.html) want in a possible third film.
I agree with most of them. Although there's no reason to not have some scaled back Killer Croc. Like some big background thug with a skin problem or something.
I pretty much agree with those. I don't think Nolan & company would even think about any of those except maybe Robin and a return Ras.
Dukefrukem
12-18-2008, 01:44 PM
Eddie is Riddler in new Batman, SHIA LABEOUF, to play Robin. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2048300.ece)
megladon8
12-18-2008, 01:46 PM
Eddie is Riddler in new Batman, SHIA LABEOUF, to play Robin. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2048300.ece)
It's B.S.
Dukefrukem
12-18-2008, 01:46 PM
It's B.S.
yeh i just saw it in the dark knight thread... my b
megladon8
01-30-2009, 12:20 PM
Is the script already being written? (http://movies.ign.com/articles/949/949553p1.html)
number8
03-10-2009, 07:20 AM
I can't believe this batshit rumor is actually being reported on several sites.
Apparently, due to his Terminator outburst, Chris Nolan and WB want to replace Bale as Batman for the third movie, with Sam Worthington as the top choice.
In other news, my dick shoots cheetos.
Sxottlan
03-10-2009, 09:48 AM
In other news, my dick shoots cheetos.
Seek. Medical. Attention.
megladon8
03-10-2009, 01:40 PM
Screw re-casting.
Re-boot the series.
Dead & Messed Up
03-10-2009, 04:51 PM
Screw re-casting.
Re-boot the series.
You know, they should get the director of Phone Booth and Tigerland. He's got a cool, gritty style that'd be great for Batman.
EvilShoe
03-10-2009, 04:53 PM
You know, they should get the director of Phone Booth and Tigerland. He's got a cool, gritty style that'd be great for Batman.
You may not realize, but that director has in fact already made Batman movies.
Dead & Messed Up
03-10-2009, 04:57 PM
You may not realize, but that director has in fact already made Batman movies.
Oh?
Sycophant
03-10-2009, 04:57 PM
While I was trying to wake up this morning, I somehow took Meg's suggestion of a "reboot" seriously. Then I started dreaming of a modern-day adaptation of sixties TV Batman and got all excited. Waking sobriety has now told me that's not going to happen, and I'm sadder for it.
megladon8
03-10-2009, 04:58 PM
While I was trying to wake up this morning, I somehow took Meg's suggestion of a "reboot" seriously. Then I started dreaming of a modern-day adaptation of sixties TV Batman and got all excited. Waking sobriety has now told me that's not going to happen, and I'm sadder for it.
That was kind of what Schumacher was trying to do.
Sycophant
03-10-2009, 04:59 PM
You know, I should probably watch those Schumacher films.
megladon8
03-10-2009, 05:04 PM
You know, I should probably watch those Schumacher films.
They're both terrible...but they're fun terrible :)
Jim Carrey plays The Riddler as The Joker. Tommy Lee Jones gives one of the worst performances of all time as Two-Face. Arnold Schwarzenegger is...Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze. Uma Thurman gives Tommy Lee Jones a run for his money. Bane is basically a wookie.
MadMan
03-10-2009, 05:20 PM
They're both terrible...but they're fun terrible :)
Jim Carrey plays The Riddler as The Joker. Tommy Lee Jones gives one of the worst performances of all time as Two-Face. Arnold Schwarzenegger is...Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze. Uma Thurman gives Tommy Lee Jones a run for his money. Bane is basically a wookie.Best summary of those two films, ever. Batman and Robin is a gloriously hilarious trainwreck of a movie. A solid amount of talent involved, and all of it is wasted. The other film, Batman Forever at least had some decent moments to prevent it from being completely shitty.
Ezee E
03-10-2009, 05:53 PM
Mr. Freeze has some of the best lines ever.
Sycophant
03-10-2009, 05:55 PM
I haven't seen the Burton films yet, but if presented with the choice between those or the Schumacher films at this very moment, I would so take the Schumacher films. You guys are selling me on them so hard.
number8
03-10-2009, 05:56 PM
Still the best supervillain threat ever:
"Prepare for a bitter harvest. Winter has come at last."
Oh, I'm sorry. Wait... Here it is...
Best supervillain threat ever:
"Prepaiah foah bitter hahvust -- VINTER HAZ KHAAM AT LAAZ!!11!!!!"
Ezee E
03-10-2009, 06:00 PM
Cop #1: Please show some mercy!
Mr. Freeze: Mercy? I'm afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy.
Mr. Freeze: Tonight, hell freezes over!
Mr. Freeze: Ice to see you!
This one made me laugh out loud reading it.
Mr. Freeze: What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!
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Mr. Freeze: In this universe, there's only one absolute... everything freezes!
Mr. Freeze: Cool party!
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Mr. Freeze: Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom.
Mr. Freeze: Let's kick some ice!
Ivan Drago
03-10-2009, 06:58 PM
YOOR NAHT SENDING ME TO THA COOLAH!
Skitch
03-10-2009, 08:15 PM
*spares all, shoots self in face*
Dukefrukem
03-11-2009, 01:25 AM
I got a boner when I saw this thread was bumped and now it's more flacid than that time I was Uma Thurman's eye wrangler.
megladon8
03-11-2009, 01:32 AM
The really amazing thing about Batman & Robin is that the entire script is one-liners.
I'm not kidding. The entire "story" is told through one-liners. I don't think there's any real dialogue in the film.
It really did deserve some kind of recognition for that.
The Mike
03-11-2009, 01:43 AM
I spent like the last 14 minutes trying to type "Schumacher's Batman > Burton's Batman" and click "Submit Reply", but I just couldn't do it. :cry:
Mr. Freeze has some of the best lines ever.
YES.
Dukefrukem
03-11-2009, 03:56 AM
YES.
"Alrigt Everyone... Chill...." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNaDZIrxh-0)
number8
03-11-2009, 05:49 AM
I spent like the last 14 minutes trying to type "Schumacher's Batman > Burton's Batman" and click "Submit Reply", but I just couldn't do it. :cry:
I'l do it.
Schumacher's Batman > Burton's Batman. Any day.
lovejuice
03-11-2009, 02:38 PM
I spent like the last 14 minutes trying to type "Schumacher's Batman > Burton's Batman" and click "Submit Reply", but I just couldn't do it. :cry:
the same happens to me with "nolan's batman" greater than "burton's batman" :crazy:
Amnesiac
04-05-2009, 04:06 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/darkknight/gallery_435-1.jpg
megladon8
04-05-2009, 04:57 AM
Who are those guys?
Amnesiac
04-05-2009, 05:20 AM
The fight choreographers who worked on the film, I believe.
transmogrifier
04-05-2009, 05:43 AM
Who are those guys?
Someone's kids they signed over to Nolan 15 odd years ago. They've been raised well.
Amnesiac
04-05-2009, 05:47 AM
Someone's kids they signed over to Nolan 15 odd years ago. They've been raised well.
Haha.
Dukefrukem
04-10-2009, 12:58 AM
hahahaha (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1884973)
Dukefrukem
06-23-2009, 12:23 PM
Bale: "I truly don't know whether we will even see another Batman movie."
Interviewer: "Does that sadden you?... that Chris doesn't feel like doing it?"
Bale: "He would need to find story that is good enough and if he can't find that then it wouldn't happen."
Interviewer: "Any conceivable way you would do a third film with a different director?"
Bale: "I don't even want to think about it. I don't know if there will be a third... "I'm even a step away from having to consider that."
Weird comments.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/batman_3/news/?a=8141
number8
06-23-2009, 07:01 PM
It's not weird. Nolan doesn't think he can top The Dark Knight, while Bale is contractually obligated to do a third film, with or without him. Bale has no choice. But WB is scared shitless of replacing Nolan because he's widely recognized as a big part of the success. So it's probably just going to be in limbo for a while.
The best thing is for everybody to fucking let it go already. It's not gonna happen just because you keep asking Bale about it.
megladon8
06-23-2009, 09:18 PM
Yeah this is the third time I've read peoples' speculation that Bale might not be back.
HE WILL BE BACK REGARDLESS OF ANY CHANGES TO THE CREATIVE TEAM.
He signed a contract for three movies, and if there's anything that Hollywood studios are anal as hell about, it's contracts.
If there's a third movie (which I guarantee there will be, with or without Nolan) Bale WILL be Batman.
DavidSeven
06-23-2009, 09:27 PM
I don't think Warners makes another Batman film in Nolan's continuity if he doesn't come back. I also don't think there's a director worth his salt who would want to do Batman 3 in Nolan's continuity due to The Dark Knight's intimidating success. Thus, forcing Bale to return wouldn't make much sense and probably won't happen. If Nolan is serious about not coming back, this thing idles for several years before getting a complete reboot later on without Bale.
megladon8
06-23-2009, 09:30 PM
Let's not forget, Nolan said these exact same things about Batman Begins.
He needs a refresher - a non Batman-related movie - before diving back into it.
I really have no doubt that both he and Bale will return for one more Bat-flick.
DavidSeven
06-23-2009, 09:57 PM
I think Nolan is better of letting go of this franchise. Why will he come back? He will never top the commercial or critical success of TDK. Does he even have anything left to say with this character? Nolan leaped from a question mark to relevance in one summer. His career is set, and he really has no use for this franchise anymore. He should do like Burton and walk away while he's ahead.
megladon8
06-23-2009, 10:00 PM
What makes you think he has nothing left to say with the character?
And Nolan doesn't strike me as the kind of filmmaker who only strives to outdo the financial success of his last films. I think he'll make it if he feels that he and his brother Jonathan have a good story to tell. And I don't see why they would already be out of ideas.
DavidSeven
06-23-2009, 10:12 PM
Well, I think they took the character to thematic depths that probably won't and shouldn't be exceeded by future Batman films within the same continuity. And I wasn't really talking about outdoing the financial success of prior films. It just seems that he has already peaked within Batman universe in an artistic and substantive sense. Personally, I think we saw the same thing happen with The Godfather Part II, The Empire Strikes Back, and even Batman Returns. We all know how the follow-ups to those films turned out. He's in a position where he will get financing for whatever he wants for the next 5-10 years, so why come back? I don't know anything about Nolan and won't try to guess what motivates him, but maybe he doesn't want to be perceived in the same way as Raimi and Lucas. I really don't know what the guy will do, but I think it's in his best interest to walk away.
right_for_the_moment
06-23-2009, 10:31 PM
If Nolan does make a couple more Batman movies, wouldn't he essentially achieve Eastwood status at Warner Brothers and basically have free range to make any and all movies that he wants? I mean he already is getting $200 million to make Inception and hardly anyone knows a thing about that.
If I were in his shoes, that would seem like a pretty intriguing prospect, especially considering that his Batman movies aren't Charlie's Angels-like fluff. I bet that he'd be allowed to push the envelope even further in a third Batman
megladon8
06-23-2009, 10:42 PM
I always thought a Michael Mann Batman movie would be spectacular. And funny enough, as most know, Nolan's main stylistic and contextual inspiration for The Dark Knight was Mann's Heat.
I'm not sure who I'd want to take over.
Honestly, if it's just going to be a trilogy, I will repeat that Nolan should finish it. Make one more, cap it off, I'm sure he and Jonathan can come up with something great to finish it off with.
But if it's going to be more films, it'd be cool to do something like Batman: Gotham Knight attempted. Have each installment produced by an entirely different creative team, so every film is different in style, tone and story.
This could also take care of bringing the Joker back with a different actor. It would be an entirely new take on the Joker, and so they'd have carte blanche to do whatever they want with whomever they want.
Though if Nolan came back and really was set on bringing back the Joker, I'd honestly vote for Joseph Gordon Levitt. An incredible young actor with intensity and ability to be ferocious and devious. He also looks a lot like the late Ledger, and with the make-up could probably pull it off quite well.
Dead & Messed Up
06-23-2009, 10:46 PM
I think it'd be fun to have a third one that discusses how intractable Wayne has become from his Batman persona. That was one thread brought up at the end of Batman Begins ("This is your mask") but not expounded upon in The Dark Knight. That's why I'd like the idea of the Riddler as a significant antagonist, because he's similarly (as described in the comics) stuck inside his persona - he can't actualize himself in any other way. And that psychosis transfers easily to that theme.
It's also a thematic idea that could open the door to Catwoman, since, as a villain, she's intentionally riffing on Wayne's dual identity. Have one trying to seek out who Batman really is, while the other is violently against the idea of revealing that persona.
It's not as viscerally compelling as the previous entry, but I'd like a film that returns to focus on Bruce's inherent dilemmas as the Caped Crusader.
:)
number8
06-23-2009, 10:49 PM
In recent years, I've come to agree with Ed Brubaker that the idea of Batman being his true personality and Bruce Wayne the mask is total bullshit.
megladon8
06-23-2009, 10:52 PM
In recent years, I've come to agree with Ed Brubaker that the idea of Batman being his true personality and Bruce Wayne the mask is total bullshit.
Why?
number8
06-23-2009, 11:06 PM
Because it's simply not true. His relationship with Alfred, the family he's built with Dick Grayson and Tim Drake, that's all Bruce Wayne, not Batman. As futile as his quest is, Batman is an optimist who wants to see Gotham get better. That's because behind that avenging persona is a Bruce Wayne who doesn't want to see more orphans like him, and what's keeping him sane all these years is a Bruce Wayne who does have friends, lovers and a happy family. That was really the point Brubaker set out to prove when he started the Bruce Wayne: Fugitive crossover--that Batman being his primary personality makes him unbalanced and ineffective, not to mention hurtful to his allies.
Which is why I strongly believe a 3rd movie needs a Robin.
megladon8
06-23-2009, 11:08 PM
I think it all depends on what story you're reading, and that creative team's particular take on the character.
I've read stories that go both ways - Batman as the dominant persona with Bruce Wayne a psychotic loner, and vice versa. And it's worked both ways.
Good writing is good writing regardless of the take on the characters or universe.
number8
06-23-2009, 11:12 PM
Good writing is good writing regardless of the take on the characters or universe.
Sure, but what does that have to do with it? I just think the theory of Batman being the true personality is false. And simplistic.
megladon8
06-23-2009, 11:17 PM
Sure, but what does that have to do with it? I just think the theory of Batman being the true personality is false. And simplistic.
I've read Batman stories with this idea behind them that were pretty fantastic.
There's no one definitive vision of the character. Not yours, Ed Brubaker's Christopher Nolan's or mine.
To say that a particular aspect you don't agree with is completely false is like asserting your interpretation of the material as definitive.
Even though I agree with what you wrote, I also think that the moment that was first referenced - when Rachel says to Bruce "this is your mask" was very true of the character at that point in time in the narrative.
In the comics the character of Bruce Wayne has grown to take on friends, allies, and even a kind of surrogate family. But for the first few years of his time as Batman, I think his anger was still very much a fuel for his actions, and because of this what Rachel said was true - again - at that point in time.
Dead & Messed Up
06-23-2009, 11:18 PM
Sure, but what does that have to do with it? I just think the theory of Batman being the true personality is false. And simplistic.
That wasn't necessarily my judgment; my broader point is that there's a fascinating theme worth exploring, and one intrinsic to the Batman mythos that has not yet really been explored by Nolan and co.
number8
06-23-2009, 11:28 PM
There's no one definitive vision of the character. Not yours, Ed Brubaker's Christopher Nolan's or mine.
To say that a particular aspect you don't agree with is completely false is like asserting your interpretation of the material as definitive.
Well yeah. Everything is subjective, which is why there's no point saying so anymore. This is what I believe, so this is what I consider to be the truth.
number8
06-23-2009, 11:29 PM
That wasn't necessarily my judgment; my broader point is that there's a fascinating theme worth exploring, and one intrinsic to the Batman mythos that has not yet really been explored by Nolan and co.
I know, I wasn't saying otherwise, just stating my belief. I agree that that's worth exploring. With Robin.
Dead & Messed Up
06-23-2009, 11:44 PM
I know, I wasn't saying otherwise, just stating my belief. I agree that that's worth exploring. With Robin.
I don't know about Robin. I have so much trouble believing that Bruce Wayne would knowingly put a child in harm's way, especially after encountering violent sociopaths like the Joker, Two-Face, and R'as.
Of course, that could mean a darker version of Robin - I haven't read enough of him in the comics to know how they treat him. I just know that in the animated series and Forever, Batman's just kind of like, "Well, I don't know okay sure why not."
megladon8
06-23-2009, 11:45 PM
"Dark Victory" is awesome.
I think it's much better than the overrated "The Long Halloween".
Dead & Messed Up
06-23-2009, 11:50 PM
"Dark Victory" is awesome.
I think it's much better than the overrated "The Long Halloween".
I think the reverse. "Dark Victory" read to me like depreciation on the overall concept of "Long Halloween."
Dukefrukem
06-23-2009, 11:52 PM
I think Nolan is better of letting go of this franchise. Why will he come back? He will never top the commercial or critical success of TDK. Does he even have anything left to say with this character? Nolan leaped from a question mark to relevance in one summer. His career is set, and he really has no use for this franchise anymore. He should do like Burton and walk away while he's ahead.
The Dark Knight was never nominated for the academy award; best picture.
number8
06-24-2009, 12:03 AM
I think the reverse. "Dark Victory" read to me like depreciation on the overall concept of "Long Halloween."
I don't think either hold up all that well on successive reads, but I think Dark Victory is still the better of the two. Admittedly, the plot in both are whack. Long Halloween is best for the Harvey Dent characterization, and Dark Victory for Robin.
Come to think of it, Dark Victory's take on why Batman needs a Robin would fit really well after The Dark Knight.
Ezee E
06-24-2009, 01:15 AM
I think a younger Robin should be used if anything. Chris O'Donnell as Robin in Forever would be like having Joseph Gordon-Levitt do it now. I say go with someone just entering middle school.
They could still bring back the Joker. Have his face disfigured in prison, and he comes back as Michael Shannon.
The Mike
06-24-2009, 02:30 AM
The best way to get people to buzz about and then see a third film is to have someone else play The Joker.
Sycophant
06-24-2009, 02:36 AM
The best way to get people to buzz about and then see a third film is to have someone else play The Joker.
That's a good point. Though I'm not looking for all the media hullabaloo and fanboy wailing and indignation that would surround it.
Derek
06-24-2009, 03:12 AM
Though I'm not looking for all the media hullabaloo and fanboy wailing and indignation that would surround it.
Post-Dark Knight, you're going to get that regardless. Personally, I'm with D7 in hoping than Nolan realizes he hit his peak and moves on, but if they do make a third film (with or without him), I'm on board with E's idea for Michael Shannon.
transmogrifier
06-24-2009, 03:31 AM
Post-Dark Knight, you're going to get that regardless. Personally, I'm with D7 in hoping than Nolan realizes he hit his peak.......
....with Memento, and has since been spinning his wheels with flabby, inert, glossy, "deep" B-movies.
megladon8
06-24-2009, 03:47 AM
I like B-movies.
transmogrifier
06-24-2009, 04:03 AM
I like B-movies.
Perhaps you missed all the qualifying adjectives up there.
megladon8
06-24-2009, 04:04 AM
Perhaps you missed all the qualifying adjectives up there.
No just chose to ignore them.
I still like B movies.
Amnesiac
06-24-2009, 04:52 AM
What if someone not only likes flabby, inert, glossy, "deep" B-movies but prefers them?
With extra flab, if possible.
number8
06-24-2009, 06:48 AM
Memento is Nolan's worst film.
transmogrifier
06-24-2009, 06:53 AM
Memento is Nolan's worst film.
The Questionable Taste thread is calling......
number8
06-24-2009, 06:59 AM
I answered its call. It questioned my taste, and then discovered that it is righteous.
It frankly agreed with me that the idea of liking Memento over superior films like The Following or The Prestige is ridiculous.
transmogrifier
06-24-2009, 07:05 AM
I answered its call. It questioned my taste, and then discovered that it is righteous.
It frankly agreed with me that the idea of liking Memento over superior films like The Following or The Prestige is ridiculous.
You almost escaped on a technicality (I haven't seen The Following), but on appeal, you were convicted and executed immediately for crimes against good taste. The Prestige? Just the sound of the title makes me start to nod off.
number8
06-24-2009, 07:11 AM
I'll go see if Bowie-Tesla can't conjure you up some attention span.
transmogrifier
06-24-2009, 08:02 AM
I'll go see if Bowie-Tesla can't conjure you up some attention span.
Sorry, what? I fell to sleep thinking about Nolan movies. More effective than booze and counting sheep.
Ezee E
06-24-2009, 10:28 AM
People seem to forget Insomnia.
transmogrifier
06-24-2009, 11:55 AM
People seem to forget Insomnia.
There's a reason for that.
Ezee E
06-24-2009, 12:26 PM
There's a reason for that.
Understandable too. I remember nothing about that movie except a pretty good chase scene in the fog.
Grouchy
06-24-2009, 06:03 PM
Because it's simply not true. His relationship with Alfred, the family he's built with Dick Grayson and Tim Drake, that's all Bruce Wayne, not Batman.
I'm not sure about that. All of the people that could be considered his friends or family (Alfred, Dick, Tim, Gordon, Barbara, etc.) all know him first as Batman. The one exception could've been Lucius Fox, but that was changed on the movie series. Besides, the "Bruce Wayne is the real mask" angle refers to the Wayne known by the public and his occasional flames. I think, in costume or not, the Wayne that's down on the Batcave is really the Batman persona.
I agree with you that the third movie needs Robin and it would be foolish to ignore that. I agree with meg that, knowing Warner, the third movie is gonna be made whether Nolan wants to direct it or not.
Derek
06-24-2009, 06:06 PM
....with Memento, and has since been spinning his wheels with flabby, inert, glossy, "deep" B-movies.
Well, I hate Insomnia and dislike Batman Begins and The Prestige, so you're not far off.
Derek
06-24-2009, 06:07 PM
Understandable too. I remember nothing about that movie except a pretty good chase scene in the fog.
I don't know why Al Pacino didn't just eat that up as well.
DavidSeven
06-24-2009, 06:45 PM
I'm probably with Derek in thinking that Nolan started off great with Memento, did a bunch of middling stuff afterward (including Batman Begins), and then reemerged with The Dark Knight.
Rowland
06-25-2009, 02:04 AM
Memento is a masterpiece, one of the best films of the 00's, while nothing else afterward has struck me either as better than good. I'd still like to catch up with The Prestige though.
Acapelli
06-25-2009, 03:32 AM
the prestige is so awesome
number8
06-25-2009, 03:47 AM
The Prestige is the movie Michael Mann wishes he has the talent to make.
Raiders
06-25-2009, 03:51 AM
The Prestige is the movie Michael Mann wishes he has the talent to make.
I have no idea why Michael Mann would wish to be less talented than he is, but if you say so...
Watashi
06-25-2009, 03:52 AM
The Prestige is the movie Michael Mann wishes he has the talent to make.
I don't see The Prestige being a film that would even interest Michael Mann.
number8
06-25-2009, 03:56 AM
I don't see The Prestige being a film that would even interest Michael Mann.
That's probably true, but I wish Christopher Nolan would remake The Last of the Mohicans. Make it good this time.
Dead & Messed Up
06-25-2009, 04:50 AM
The Prestige was fun and clever, but I never found it all that compelling. Oh, except when we learn that
Jackman was literally killing himself every night to top Bale. That was an interesting moral and physical conundrum.
Morris Schæffer
06-25-2009, 10:47 AM
Memento is Nolan's worst film.
I think I agree.
transmogrifier
06-25-2009, 09:32 PM
That's probably true, but I wish Christopher Nolan would remake The Last of the Mohicans. Make it good this time.
As opposed to the masterpiece it is now? Yeah, sounds about right. "Good" is as much as we could hope for with Nolan. Bland, wholesome, kind of boring "good".
Qrazy
06-25-2009, 11:36 PM
You're both right and wrong (Trans and 8). Memento is his best and he has consistently made good films since.
Amnesiac
06-30-2009, 07:10 AM
This has nothing to do with the next film but some of you might find it interesting.
Last of Heath
Heath Ledger "was always hesitant to be in a summer blockbuster with the dolls and action figures and everything else that comes with one of those movies," the late actor's friend and agent, Steven Alexander, tells Peter Biskind in an upcoming Vanity Fair. "He was afraid it would define him and limit his choices."
Alexander and other confidantes tell Biskind that "one of the reasons Ledger agreed to do The Dark Knight was that it would be such a long shoot it would give him an excuse to turn down other offers. Ledger had a pay-or-play deal on The Dark Knight -- meaning he'd get compensated no matter what -- so he felt he had the freedom to do whatever he wanted as the Joker."
He hoped in fact, that "his performance would be so far-out he'd be fired, and thus become the beneficiary of a lengthy, paid vacation."
Which is why his Joker performance was so great. Because Ledger didn't care. The best creative work always....okay, often comes out of a fuck-it mindset. Worry about what you're going to create or whether or not you'll be good enough and you're dead.
Source (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/06/last_of_heath.php).
trotchky
06-30-2009, 07:51 AM
Worry about what you're going to create or whether or not you'll be good enough and you're dead.
It's ironic, because Ledger actually is dead.
Dukefrukem
07-24-2009, 07:53 PM
Oldman was asked about when the next Batman movie is coming out. Surprisingly, Oldman was open. He said he thinks they shoot next year, so look for the next BATMAN flick to come out the year after 2011 (his words).
"But you didn't hear it from me," with a laugh.
i wish
megladon8
07-25-2009, 07:52 PM
Looks like this may be for real. (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0895093/)
Dead & Messed Up
07-25-2009, 08:49 PM
Looks like this may be for real. (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0895093/)
The studio will undoubtedly move on the project in the next two years. Nolan's the variable.
Dukefrukem
07-26-2009, 07:21 PM
If it begins shooting next year, (which to me is way too good to be true) then we're looking at a 2011 release?
Ezee E
07-30-2009, 11:39 AM
I think Gary Oldman's statement is about as reliable as Quentin Tarantino's statements about the 50 movies he'll never make.
megladon8
07-30-2009, 05:06 PM
I think Gary Oldman's statement is about as reliable as Quentin Tarantino's statements about the 50 movies he'll never make.
Bale seems to have confirmed it as well, so maybe the studio is moving behind the scenes, and with-or-without Nolan.
Grouchy
07-31-2009, 01:35 AM
Bale seems to have confirmed it as well, so maybe the studio is moving behind the scenes, and with-or-without Nolan.
Most likely with, after Nolan finishes with Inception and maybe even another project.
I mean, these things get a long time to get made. Word one from the screenplay probably won't be written until four of five months from now.
BuffaloWilder
07-31-2009, 07:29 AM
....with Memento, and has since been spinning his wheels with flabby, inert, glossy, "deep" B-movies.
I do not think you understand what being a B-movie entails.
:|
Skitch
08-28-2009, 11:31 AM
Megan Fox has signed up to play Catwoman in the next "Batman" movie.
That's what UK paper The Sun is reporting.
Columnist George Smart says the "Transformers" star is set to follow in the footsteps of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry in donning the skintight catsuit.
"All the other stars who have reinvented the Batman films are back on board," he reports. "(Including) Christian Bale, Michael Caine, and director Christopher Nolan."
Smart says shooting is scheduled to start next year, with the film slated for release in 2011.
Huh.
Ivan Drago
08-28-2009, 01:30 PM
Tell me that's just a rumor.
Acapelli
08-28-2009, 02:09 PM
they're the same paper that reported cher would be catwoman last year
EvilShoe
08-28-2009, 02:14 PM
they're the same paper that reported cher would be catwoman last year
Does this mean she's out? :sad:
Still a great cast, if we're to believe The Sun: Megan Fox as Catwoman, Shia LaBeouf as Robin, and Eddie Murphy as The Riddler.
Lazlo
08-28-2009, 02:33 PM
Here's the more interesting (and plausible) rumor of the week:
AICN reported that "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" Director Christopher Nolan could very well shoot his next Batman film entirely in IMAX after the success of the IMAX-filmed segments of "The Dark Knight".
During 'Knight' promotion, Nolan stated how much he really enjoyed working in the format and would love to have done more with it on 'Knight'. However technical limitations with the equipment (namely size, weight, noise, availability, maintenance issues, etc.) meant he could only do certain segments with it.
The site however comes up with an interesting theory - the reason Nolan jumped onto doing next Summer's sci-fi drama "Inception" rather than a 'Knight' follow-up was not only to take a short reprieve (ala shooting "The Prestige" between 'Begins' and 'Knight'), but to allow time to create a few new IMAX cameras made to his specs - ones that would likely allow more freedom and speed on his part while still yielding the same quality.
AICN nevertheless specifically says right now this is rumor only for now. While it does sound reasonably plausible, is it true? I think many would like it to be (including the filmmakers) but I'd be sceptical.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/15000/new-batman-rumors-galore
I think it would be awesome, but the technical issues with IMAX might be hard to get around, even with Nolan's (and probably Pfister's) input on the camera design.
megladon8
08-28-2009, 02:40 PM
I want Wally Pfister to shoot every movie made for the rest of eternity.
Ezee E
08-28-2009, 05:56 PM
I want Wally Pfister to shoot every movie made for the rest of eternity.
So no Deakins? :(
Sycophant
08-28-2009, 05:58 PM
Eddie Murphy as the Riddler should be fun. Don't know if it would be, but it certainly should be.
number8
08-28-2009, 06:15 PM
The Sun reports that my dick has signed on to play Killer Croc.
The Sun reports that my dick has signed on to play Killer Croc.
So are they looking at just showing Killer Croc as an embryo?
BuffaloWilder
08-28-2009, 08:59 PM
http://members.airsoftcanada.com/digital_assasin/Forum%20Stuff/Misc/oh_snap.gif
BuffaloWilder
08-28-2009, 09:00 PM
I want Wally Pfister to shoot every movie made for the rest of eternity.
Yes, Pfister's one of my current favorite cinematographers, right now as well.
Skitch
08-29-2009, 01:39 PM
Hey, I don't believe The Sun anymore than IMDB. I just reporting something I saw. At this point, I wouldn't believe anything unless its from the mouth of Nolan himself.
Spun Lepton
08-29-2009, 08:11 PM
Dunno if anybody has heard, but the studio has denied the rumor that Megan Fox will be playing Catwoman. They say they don't even have a script yet to start casting.
Dukefrukem
03-10-2010, 06:13 PM
being written by brother Jonathan (MEMENTO, THE PRESTIGE, THE DARK KNIGHT) based on a story by David Goyer (who is now writing SUPERMAN)
“Without getting into specifics, the key thing that makes the third film a great possibility for us is that we want to finish our story,” he said. “And in viewing it as the finishing of a story rather than infinitely blowing up the balloon and expanding the story.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/03/christopher-nolan-takes-flight-with-superman-we-have-a-fantastic-story-1.html
Sycophant
03-10-2010, 06:20 PM
Batman goan die?
megladon8
03-11-2010, 12:07 AM
Very good to hear that this is underway.
Hopefully it'll cap off what has so far been one of the best movie trilogies ever.
Dead & Messed Up
03-11-2010, 02:50 AM
:pritch:
megladon8
03-11-2010, 02:54 AM
:pritch:
Indeed.
I kind of want to fly down to L.A. so we can see this together. Dressed as Batman and Catwoman.
Dead & Messed Up
03-11-2010, 03:04 AM
Indeed.
I kind of want to fly down to L.A. so we can see this together. Dressed as Batman and Catwoman.
...I'll be Two-Face. How about that?
megladon8
03-11-2010, 03:05 AM
...I'll be Two-Face. How about that?
My plan was that you were going to be Batman in that duo.
Is that still a problem?
Dead & Messed Up
03-11-2010, 03:07 AM
My plan was that you were going to be Batman in that duo.
Is that still a problem?
Okay, stop that.
:P
The Mike
03-11-2010, 04:07 AM
How come no one ever lets meeeeeeeeee be Catwoman? :sad:
BuffaloWilder
03-11-2010, 04:16 AM
Batman won't die, but he will have his back broken by either Bane or a very Bane-like figure. Thus, Robin.
number8
03-11-2010, 04:27 AM
Here's the most interesting part of that interview for me:
His villain choices to date have steered clear of strongly supernatural or super-science characters (no Man-Bat, Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy, for instance) but he shook his head when asked if that was a trajectory he would continue.
MAD HATTER!!!
megladon8
03-11-2010, 04:42 AM
How come no one ever lets meeeeeeeeee be Catwoman? :sad:
OK fine...you can be Catwoman, I'll be Poison Ive.
Deal?
8 can be Mad Hatter if he so pleases, but we'll ignore him because we're sexy bitches.
Ezee E
03-11-2010, 04:46 AM
Here's the most interesting part of that interview for me:
MAD HATTER!!!
We all know it'll be Riddler.
Dead & Messed Up
03-11-2010, 04:58 AM
NO ROBIN.
megladon8
03-11-2010, 05:07 AM
I doubt there'll be Robin. But even if there is, I have 110% faith that the Nolans have read "Dark Victory" and/or know what would make the character an interesting, likable and logical entry into their Batman universe.
And I'm actually kind of hoping the next villain isn't Riddler, because he's like, totally not one of Batman's more interesting villains.
And does anyone else care to give mad props to the Nolans for having Scarecrow return in The Dark Knight (albeit for a brief scene)? I love that they didn't go with the "kill off the villains, act like they never existed in the next movie" formula that most of the other superhero franchises have gone with.
They really seem to have embraced the serialized nature of the source material, and adapted it to cinema beautifully.
Barty
03-11-2010, 05:33 AM
Whoever the villian is, they should be the hero of the story, and Batman would be the villian to Gotham; to play off the ending to TDK
Dead & Messed Up
03-11-2010, 07:10 AM
I doubt there'll be Robin. But even if there is, I have 110% faith that the Nolans have read "Dark Victory" and/or know what would make the character an interesting, likable and logical entry into their Batman universe.
And I'm actually kind of hoping the next villain isn't Riddler, because he's like, totally not one of Batman's more interesting villains.
Who'd you like to see?
I've thought it over a few times, and I wouldn't put it past the Nolans to give Riddler some added oomph. Still, there's quite a few villains to draw from, including Deadshot, the Penguin, Hush, and the Ventriloquist, that don't break the relative realism of the Nolan Batverse. Catwoman possibly, if only because that's a name that will catch attention.
I also would be okay with them offering someone else a chance to play the Joker for a couple of scenes. Sacrilege, I know.
And does anyone else care to give mad props to the Nolans for having Scarecrow return in The Dark Knight (albeit for a brief scene)? I love that they didn't go with the "kill off the villains, act like they never existed in the next movie" formula that most of the other superhero franchises have gone with.
I also liked how the trial scene with Maroni name-checked Carmine Falcone's loss of power following the events of the previous film.
Skitch
03-11-2010, 09:54 AM
I would guess Riddler the villian, Catwoman the ambiguous, and Batman the bad guy for the first half of the film. I would prefer Hatter.
After Alice, I pray Depp is no where near Bat-chise. I'm weary of his look-at-me-I'm-craaazy schtick of late.
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