OK Trek Heads

[Qrazy]

Well I've started making my way through the films. I know of the odd film curse but I've also heard it's a bunch of bullpooie so I'm here to ask you for the honest to goodness low down on the Star Trek universe. So rate/rank the film series if you would be so kind.

I've seen Kahn and The Journey Home.

[Raiders]

I - 5.5
II - 7.5
III - 4.0
IV - 7.0
V - 3.5
VI - 7.5
Generations - 5.0

I am a believer in 'ze curse. I have never bothered with any of the Next Generation films outside Generations which was kind of the segue. Nicholas Meyer's two contributions are definitely my favorites.

[Qrazy]

I - 5.5
II - 7.5
III - 4.0
IV - 7.0
V - 3.5
IV - 7.5
Generations - 5.0

I am a believer in 'ze curse. I have never bothered with any of the Next Generation films outside Generations which was kind of the segue. Nicholas Meyer's two contributions are definitely my favorites.

Have you seen Time After Time? I'm thinking of checking it out.

[Sven]

Can you believe I've never seen a single Star Trek movie? I can.

[Winston*]

I have never bothered with any of the Next Generation films outside Generations which was kind of the segue.

And I've never seen an Original Star Trek film but have seen every Next Generation film. Together we could join forces to create one Star Trek geek.

[Raiders]

Have you seen Time After Time? I'm thinking of checking it out.

Yeah. It's great.

[D_Davis]

First Contact is my favorite. It's just a good space opera, Trek or not. It totally has the atmosphere of a golden-era SF novel.

[Raiders]

First Contact is my favorite. It's just a good space opera, Trek or not. It totally has the atmosphere of a golden-era SF novel.

I thought this of Undiscovered Country. I need to see First Contact, and most tell me it is the only Next Gen film worth watching.

[soitgoes...]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 2.0
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - 7.5
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock - 3.5
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - 7.0
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - 2.0
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - 3.0
Star Trek: Generations - 4.0
Star Trek: First Contact - 6.5
Star Trek: Insurrection - 2.5
Star Trek: Nemesis - 5.5

[Raiders]

tar Trek IV: The Undiscovered Country - 3.0


Jeez. Seriously?

[balmakboor]

I've seen these, but only because my wife's like the world's biggest Trekkie:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 4
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - 8
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock - 3
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - 8
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - 2

Shatner is such a doofus. He really is and V proves it. I even met him once in Santa Barbara at a horse show.

[Qrazy]

How does everyone feel about the new Trek film's cast list? I can't say I'm too keen.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/

I actually like members of the cast on an individual actor basis but I don't picture them in these roles at all.

[Qrazy]

Jeez. Seriously?

Why are you all writing IV for 6? Is there something I should know or are you all just terrible with Roman numerals?

[soitgoes...]

Jeez. Seriously?
They just seemed too old by then. It didn't work for me. Also the fact that I'm not in any way a fan of Star Trek or any of it's offspring probably has something to do with the general low scores overall. I saw most of these with my dad who's a big Trekkie.

[soitgoes...]

Why are you all writing IV for 6? Is there something I should know or are you all just terrible with Roman numerals?Uh, or a mistype?

[Qrazy]

Uh, or a mistype?

Well multiple people did it...

[balmakboor]

Well multiple people did it...

If others are like me, they just start their post by copying and pasting from some prior post, typos and all, and then modifying the ratings. I hate typing.

[soitgoes...]

Well multiple people did it...Well that's my excuse. It's just a coincidence that Raiders did it as well. Either that or we're just fucking with you.

[bac0n]

I - Kinda slow and anti-climactic, but the most pure sci-fi of the bunch. Worst Shatner hairpiece of the entire franchise. 3.5/5

II - Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! 4/5

III - Spoooooooooooooooock! 3/5

IV - Double dumb-ass to you! 4/5. Worth the price of admission to see a beligerent Bones arguing with late 80s surgeons.

V - Shatner tries to recreate the comedic vibe of IV. Epic fail. 2/5

VI - Nice compromise between KHAAAAAAN and Double Dumb-ass, plus Handsome Actor George Takei finally gets his own fucking ship. Took the bastards six damned movies to do it, but better late than never, I guess. 3.5/5

Generations - Fine, except for the parts with Shatner. Some of the parts are of particular interest with a head full of LSD. 3/5

First Contact - FINALLY, they make a badass out of Worf. 4/5

Insurrection - Don't bother. Seriously. 2/5

The Other One With Young Picard, Can't remember The Name and It's Not Worth My Time to Look It Up on IMDB. 2/5 - plays out like a poorly written episode of Voyageur.

[origami_mustache]

I saw Generations as a kid at those free summer screenings.
...this is all I can remember unfortunately:

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jboo/guinan.jpg

:lol:

[Melville]

Generations was awful, First Contact was pretty good, and I don't really remember the rest.

[megladon8]

First Contact is my favorite. It's just a good space opera, Trek or not. It totally has the atmosphere of a golden-era SF novel.


Repped.

First Contact is amazing. And the Borg scare the crap out of me. Pretty much space zombies.


Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 7.5
The Wrath of Khan - 10
The Search for Spock - 5.5
The Voyage Home - 8
The Final Frontier - 5
The Undiscovered Country - 8.5
Generations - 6
First Contact - 9
Insurrection - 5.5
Nemesis - 4.5

On the whole, a pretty great series. Definitely has its gems and its weakpoints, but I enjoy them all to some degree.

[Watashi]

I can't believe I'm the only one who think The Motion Picture is the best.

[D_Davis]

I can't believe I'm the only one who think The Motion Picture is the best.

I've never seen it as an adult. I've been wanting to watch it recently.

[Pop Trash]

How does everyone feel about the new Trek film's cast list? I can't say I'm too keen.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/

I actually like members of the cast on an individual actor basis but I don't picture them in these roles at all.

Simon Pegg and John Cho are inspired casting. I have no opinion on the dudes playing Kirk and Spock.

[Qrazy]

Simon Pegg and John Cho are inspired casting. I have no opinion on the dudes playing Kirk and Spock.

They seem more Galaxy Quest than Star Trek to me. Star Trek has a sense of humor but it also has a sense of dignity that at it's best lends it an air of sci-fi credibility.

The cast also just seems way too young on average.

[soitgoes...]

They seem more Galaxy Quest than Star Trek to me. Star Trek has a sense of humor but it also has a sense of dignity that at it's best lends it an air of sci-fi credibility.

The cast also just seems way too young on average.Isn't it supposed to be the original characters, only when they first enter Starfleet?

[Qrazy]

Isn't it supposed to be the original characters, only when they first enter Starfleet?

Is it? I don't know. They just seem young to be operating a starship to me. If they're only cadets that's reasonable but somehow I doubt it.

[soitgoes...]

Is it? I don't know. They just seem young to be operating a starship to me. If they're only cadets that's reasonable but somehow I doubt it.It is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29)

[Qrazy]

It is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_%28film%29)

Ah, still seem too young to have the responsibility of commanding and operating a spacecraft imo.

[soitgoes...]

Ah, still seem too young to have the responsibility of commanding and operating a spacecraft imo.Most of the main actors will be between 29-38 when this is released. The Original Series had the main actors between 30-45 years old. I don't see it as much of a stretch that they'd be operating spacecraft 5 years before they were going where no man had gone before in the 60's.

[megladon8]

Well, I always thought "Star Trek"'s crews were supposed to be the future of military/navy?

People join these pretty young. Is it unusual to have a young pilot/captain of a ship?

Sorry, I honestly know nothing of the military, so it's just a guess.

[Qrazy]

Most of the main actors will be between 29-38 when this is released. The Original Series had the main actors between 30-45 years old. I don't see it as much of a stretch that they'd be operating spacecraft 5 years before they were going where no man had gone before in the 60's.

I don't care how old the actors are, they look and feel too young to me... perhaps it's less their age and more of a Hollywood sheen. I don't know but Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, John Cho and Zoe Saldana amongst others all feel really young to me. Also it blows my mind that Winona Ryder is 37 years old she's a huge babyface as well... looks late 20's if that.


To answer Meg's question Captain is O-5 ranking... so on average about 39 years old give or take. Although there are certainly many exceptions.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promotions/l/blofficerprom.htm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080711111258AA49D1 p

Join at 18:

Private (E-2) - 6 months
Private First Class (E-3) - 1 year
Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 18 months
Sergeant (E-5) - 4.2 years
Staff Sergeant (E-6) - 8.5 years
Sergeant First Class (E-7) - 13.6 years
Master Sergeant/First Sergeant (E-8) - 17 years
Sergeant Major (E-9) - 20.8 years

Officer, start at 23:

O-2: 18months
O-3: 4 years
O-4: 10 years
O-5: 16 years
O-6: 22 years

[Morris Schæffer]

I can't believe I'm the only one who think The Motion Picture is the best.

That is whacked out!:crazy:;)

[Sycophant]

I've only seen Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan and I hated it.

[D_Davis]

They seem more Galaxy Quest than Star Trek to me. Star Trek has a sense of humor but it also has a sense of dignity that at it's best lends it an air of sci-fi credibility.


That's exactly how I feel. Simply because of the cast, I can't help but think of this new Trek film as being a spoof or a farce. If they really want to reboot the franchise, I think it would be best to cast unknowns.

They don't need stars, the name STAR TREK is bigger than any movie star they could possible sign on.

[Mysterious Dude]

I don't think any of the Star Trek movies have been particularly great. 2, 3, 6 and First Contact are good. 4 and Generations are okay.

[Kurosawa Fan]

I've seen the one with the humpback whales. It wasn't good.

[Morris Schæffer]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - *
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - ***½
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock - **
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - ***
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - ½
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - ***
Star Trek: Generations - **½
Star Trek: First Contact - ***½
Star Trek: Insurrection - **
Star Trek: Nemesis - *½

I'm totally pumped for the next one by the way. Oh sure, there's trepidation as well, but it would appear that Trek is finally being groomed for Blockbusterdom with a huge budget, a director who can actually direct some visual pizzaz and a summer release date. Well, I'm immensely curious to see how that is going to pan out.


They don't need stars, the name STAR TREK is bigger than any movie star they could possible sign on.

The cast isn't exactly filled to the brim with A listers. Simon Pegg? Chris Pine? Anton Yelchin? Nonetheless, like Qrazy, I'm currently undecided whether this cast is great or not although some of these are really kinda cool.

Nevertheless, I still disagree with the bold statement. Star Trek hasn't really been huge for a looooong time. Yeah, the dorks keep it alive and I'm glad for that, but with The Abrams flick, Trek will venture into the uncharted waters of blockbuster country. It's a new, exciting direction for this venerable franchise and one cannot help but feel that if this approach fails as well, the possibility of more Trek movies will suddenly seem agonizingly remote.

In that sense, a few big names wouldn't be such a bad deal really. Especially considering that this one carries a budget north of 100 million. It does, in a way, feel like a last ditch attempt by Paramount to position Star Trek as a player, a force to be reckoned with. It stands to reason then that Star Trek really hasn't been as "huge" as you claim.

[Pop Trash]

Ah, still seem too young to have the responsibility of commanding and operating a spacecraft imo.
Isn't Simon Pegg in his 30s? I mean the cast really doesn't seem much younger than the cast of the original series in the late 1960s. Plus in the military you can be a commanding officer (like a Major or Captain) by the time you are in your mid to late 20s. I don't see what the problem is here.

[Teh Sausage]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 7.5
Star Trek II: The Wrath of KHAAAN - 8.5
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock - 7.0
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - 7.0
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - don't remember well; it's crap though
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - 6.0
Star Trek: Generations - 5.0
Star Trek: First Contact - 6.5
Star Trek: Insurrection - see Final Frontier
Star Trek: Nemesis - 5.5

The first four are the best. I love the Spock Trilogy, even though the flaws of the last two are more apparent to me now. The Motion Picture is actually quite fascinating - it's the only one in the series that comes close to being Hard SF, though the pace drags at times. It seems to be trying to be like 2001 and it doesn't entirely work, though I'd take that over a number of successful but senseless sci-fi movies.

While I find the first six movies to be more entertaining than the original series, it's the complete opposite with Picard's crew. With the exception of First Contact, those movies just feel like extended episodes of the show. First Contact feels more like a film, but in my opinion still not very good. I used to love it, but now I see it's just an action movie with Trek characters. It also bothered me that they screwed up mythology to make the film work - why do they have a Borg Queen if they're a Collective, and have no gender? They used to be chilling symbols of conformity, but they lost some of that in First Contact...in fact, that movie didn't feel like Star Trek to me, but rather a blockbuster designed for everybody else.

I don't really watch Star Trek anymore. Um, honest.:|

[Qrazy]

Plus in the military you can be a commanding officer (like a Major or Captain) by the time you are in your mid to late 20s. I don't see what the problem is here.

Did you even read my post about this? No, that is not the norm.

[Qrazy]

It also bothered me that they screwed up mythology to make the film work - why do they have a Borg Queen if they're a Collective, and have no gender?

Struck me as something like an ant colony, I can't say it bothered me. Ender's Game has a similar alien collective layout.

[Qrazy]

My God who on the film's crew thought the blood sfx in zero g's in Undiscovered Country were a good idea?

Other than that, quality film. I liked it about the same as Kahn with First Contact coming in third.

[Qrazy]

Alright folks let's rank all the Star Wars and Star Trek films together in order of preference.

[Sycophant]

Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith = ST2: The Wrath of Khan > The Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones

[Mysterious Dude]

1. Star Trek (the original series)
2. Star Wars
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. Star Trek: The Next Generation
5. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
6. Star Trek IV: The Undiscovered Country
7. Return of the Jedi
8. Star Trek: First Contact
9. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
10. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
11. Star Trek: Voyager
12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
13. Star Trek: Generations
14. Star Trek: Insurrection
15. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
16. Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith
17. Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
18. Star Trek: Nemesis

Didn't see enough of Deep Space 9 or Enterprise to include them.

The last three Star Wars films are so equally bad that it's hard for me to rank them.

[Qrazy]

Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith = ST2: The Wrath of Khan > The Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones

Is there a new Kaiba out yet?

[Sycophant]

Is there a new Kaiba out yet?
One aired last week but it hasn't been fansubbed yet. At the rate Ureshii moves, with episode 10 having aired on the 11th, it shouldn't be too much longer.

[Sxottlan]

My ratings:

The Motion Picture - Director's Cut: ****
The Wrath of Khan: ****
The Search for Spock: ***
The Voyage Home: ****
The Final Frontier: *1/2
The Undiscovered Country: ***1/2
Generations: **1/2
First Contact: **1/2
Insurrection: *1/2
Nemesis: **

[Qrazy]

Yeah. It's great.

Just watched it, wasn't a fan.

[Morris Schæffer]

Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith = ST2: The Wrath of Khan > The Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones

I think I agree with this, except I would still put "Sith" ahead of "Wrath of Khan" though not by much.

Also, TNG > original series.

[bac0n]

This thread put me on the jones for First Contact. I saw it at Best Buy when I was shopping for other things, noticed it was $10, so I snatched it. I just got done watching it now. Man, this movie kicks ass. Right up there with Khaaaan in terms of awesomeness. Might even grow to beat it with enough viewings.

[Qrazy]

Well I watched all ten films. Two, Six and Ten were certainly the highlights with the rest falling somewhere after. I enjoyed all of them though, some were weak but I didn't find any of them to be genuinely awful. Five, nemesis and insurrection were by far the least interesting.

[soitgoes...]

Well I watched all ten films. Two, Six and Ten were certainly the highlights with the rest falling somewhere after. I enjoyed all of them though, some were weak but I didn't find any of them to be genuinely awful. Five, nemesis and insurrection were by far the least interesting.Isn't Nemesis the tenth one?

[Qrazy]

Isn't Nemesis the tenth one?

Yes.

[soitgoes...]

Yes.If 2, 6 and 10 are the highlights, and Nemesis is one of the least interesting, and Nemesis is the 10th one, then you're fucking with me/us.

[Qrazy]

If 2, 6 and 10 are the highlights, and Nemesis is one of the least interesting, and Nemesis is the 10th one, then you're fucking with me/us.

Haha my bad I meant 8.

[soitgoes...]

Haha my bad I meant 8.
I figured. I just wanted to fuck with you. ;)

[Qrazy]

I figured. I just wanted to fuck with you. ;)

Pay back (unintentional) for the IV IV.