Match Cut VS. The World VI (?) - Best Villain

[Ezee E]

I'll try to do this like we've done the previous polls.

We'll try to gather a ballot of 100+ villains from which the final vote will take place.

So, submit a list of villains you think should be on that ballot. 20 nominations per person MAX. There is no minimum.

I'll let this go on for at least a week, or until it dies out, and then move on.

Please list villain alphabetically, followed by the movie they are in.

GO!

[Qrazy]

For villians are we only including human beings? i.e. No Jaws, Alien, etc?

[Ezee E]

For villians are we only including human beings? i.e. No Jaws, Alien, etc?
Hmm... Great question, I'll go straight from the AFI rules and use that:


*Villain: For voting purposes, a "villain" was defined as a character(s) whose wickedness of mind, selfishness of character and will to power are sometimes masked by beauty and nobility, while others may rage unmasked. They can be horribly evil or grandiosely funny, but are ultimately tragic.

So, no Jaws or Alien.

[Boner M]

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[Spinal]

We have got to have a definition that includes HAL.

[Pop Trash]

Anton Chigah-No Country for Old Men
Frank Booth-Blue Velvet
Freddy Kruger-A Nightmare on Elm Street
Hannibal Lector-Silence of the Lambs
Leatherface-Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Michael Myers-Halloween
Noah Cross-Chinatown
Norman Bates-Psycho
The Terminator-The Terminator

[Pop Trash]

[QUOTE=Ezee E;80596]Hmm... Great question, I'll go straight from the AFI rules and use that:
QUOTE]

So wait...by that definition someone like Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood or Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull could be a "villain." Doesn't there have to be a protaganist here? Or are we counting movies where the main character is a tragic asshole? (There Will Be Blood, Raging Bull, The Shining, etc.)

[Winston*]

Wikipedia's definition is fantastic.
A villain is an "evil" character in a story, whether a historical narrative or, especially, a work of fiction. The villain usually is the bad guy, the character who fights against the hero.

[Spinal]

We've already put more thought into this than the Moviefone guys.

[origami_mustache]

Dracula
Hannibal Lecter
Darth Vader
Bonnie and Clyde
Leatherface (TCM)
Hans Beckert (M)
Bill the Butcher (Gangs of New York)
HAL (2001)
Shooter McGavin (Happy Gilmore)
Big Ern McCracken (Kingpin)
Wicked Witch of the West (Wizard of Oz)
Mr. Potter (It's a Wonderful Life)
Aguirre (Aguirre, the Wrath of God)
Harry Powell (Night of the Hunter)
Norma Desmond (Sunset Blvd.)
Norman Bates (Psycho)
Patrick Bateman (American Psycho)
Rico (Little Caesar)
Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
Anton Chigurh (No Country For Old Men)

[soitgoes...]

This will take some time to think up.

[Russ]

Audrey II (Little Shop of Horrors) * le sigh *
Roy Batty (Blade Runner)
Jerry Blake (The Stepfather)
Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
George W. Bush (Fahrenheit 9/11)
The citizens of Dogville (Dogville)
Cleopatra (Freaks)
Coffin Joe (At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul)
Cruella DeVil (One Hundred and One Dalmations - 1961)
Gordon Gekko (Wall Street)
Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
Hal 9000 (2001 - A Space Odyssey)
Raymond and Connie Marble (Pink Flamingos)
Leland Palmer (Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With Me)
Bobby Peru (Wild at Heart)
Nurse Ratched (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
E.P. Arnold Royalton (Speed Racer)
Scar (The Lion King)
The Wicked Witch of the West (The Wizard of Oz)
Annie Wilkes (Misery)

[Spinal]

Don Lope de Aguirre - Aguirre, the Wrath of God
Norman Bates - Psycho
Hans Beckert - M
Frank Booth - Blue Velvet
Chad - In the Company of Men
Anton Chigurh - No Country for Old Men
Archibald Cunningham - Rob Roy
Bill 'the Butcher' Cutting - Gangs of New York
Amon Goeth - Schindler's List
HAL - 2001: A Space Odyssey
Raymond Lemorne - The Vanishing (1988)
Dr. Mabuse - The Testament of Dr. Mabuse
Bill Maplewood - Happiness
Graf Orlok - Nosferatu
Paul - Funny Games
Zé Pequeno - City of God
Harry Powell - The Night of the Hunter
Albert Spica - The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
Aileen Wuornos - Monster
The Penguin - The Wrong Trousers

19 so far. Will add/edit as I can think of more.

[Spinal]

Audrey

As in Little Shop of Horrors?

[Russ]

As in Little Shop of Horrors?
That's the one.

[Spinal]

That's the one.

Nice.

[D_Davis]

Pai Mei (pick a film)
Pak Mei (Fist of the White Lotus)
Agent Smith
Jason
Legion (Exorcist 1 and 3)
Bill (Kill Bill)
Frank (Once Upon a Time in the West)
Mother (Dead Alive)
Bob (Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me)
Hans (Die Hard)
Annie Wilkes (Misery)
Herbert West (Re-Animator)
The Three Evil Masters (The Master aka The Three Evil Masters)
The Vampire (Mr. Vampire)
The Asteroid (Armageddon)
Black Demon (The Lady Hermit)
Francis (Pee Wee's Big Adventure)
The Deadites (Evil Dead 2)
Takeno (Heroes of the East)
Graham Young (Young Poisoner's Handbook)

[Watashi]

Wouldn't the humans be the villain in Armageddon? I mean, the asteroid was just floating there minding it's own business until it was blown by selfish humans who think their lives are more important than that poor asteroid.

[Spinal]

Wouldn't the humans be the villain in Armageddon?

Michael Bay is the villain as far as I'm concerned.

[Sven]

That's the one.

*ahem* it's Audrey II

[origami_mustache]

Michael Bay is the villain as far as I'm concerned.

hahahaha YES!

[D_Davis]

Wouldn't the humans be the villain in Armageddon? I mean, the asteroid was just floating there minding it's own business until it was blown by selfish humans who think their lives are more important than that poor asteroid.

Clearly the humans are the heroes, after all, Aerosmith wrote a song expressing their love for animal crackers.

[Pop Trash]

But some of these are what I mentioned before: A main character of a film can be morally bankrupt and "bad" but are they really the villain if they are the main character of the film and most of the film is through their eyes? Doesn't there have to be a sympathetic protaganist to latch on to? I'm thinking films like The Godfather, American Psycho, The Shining, Aguierre, There Will Be Blood, Monster, etc.

[chrisnu]

Bruno Anthony (Strangers on a Train)
Norman Bates (Psycho)
Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver)
Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
Chad (In the Company of Men)
Anton Chigurh (No Country for Old Men)
Noah Cross (Chinatown)
Norma Desmond (Sunset Blvd.)
Phyllis Dietrichson (Double Indemnity)
Frank (Once Upon a Time in the West)
HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey)
Adolf Hitler (Downfall)
Harry Lime (The Third Man)
Neil McCauley (Heat)
Kathie Moffat (Out of the Past)
Paul (Funny Games)
Perry Smith (In Cold Blood)
Albert Spica (The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, & Her Lover)
Evelyn Ann Thompson (The Shape of Things)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)

[Spinal]

I have a hard time categorizing Norma Desmond as a villain. Perhaps because she's too delusional for me to really think she's malicious. Great character though, no doubt.

[Grouchy]

Yeah, for a character to be a villain, there has to be a protagonist who actively fights him on the side of the good. I wouldn't call Norma Desmond or Aguirre villains, because they're clearly the protagonists. It's like saying Macbeth or Othello are villains, when they're in fact tragic heroes.

[Spinal]

Do we have to go all Robert McKee and fret over textbook definitions?

[Pop Trash]

Yeah, for a character to be a villain, there has to be a protagonist who actively fights him on the side of the good. I wouldn't call Norma Desmond or Aguirre villains, because they're clearly the protagonists. It's like saying Macbeth or Othello are villains, when they're in fact tragic heroes.
Thank you! Good sir, your reputation just went up.

[origami_mustache]

Well, although there isn't a hero to oppose them and they may be delusional, I think Desmond and Aguirre fit the given defintion:

"a "villain" was defined as a character(s) whose wickedness of mind, selfishness of character and will to power are sometimes masked by beauty and nobility, while others may rage unmasked. They can be horribly evil or grandiosely funny, but are ultimately tragic."

also I think a clearcut opposition limits it too much to superheroes and more mainstream fare. (shrugs)

[monolith94]

Chad – In the Company of Men
Clapet – Delicatessen
E. P. Arnold Royalton – Speed Racer
Farley Flavors – Shock Treatment
Freddie Clegg – The Collector
Hal – 2001: A Space Odyssey
Iago – Tragedy of Othello: The Moor of Venice, The (1952)
Jareth, The Goblin King – Labyrinth
Joan's Judges – The Passion of Joan of Arc
Khalibiev – The Love of Jeanne Ney
Karaba – Kirikou and the Sorceress
Louis – Kind Hearts & Coronets
Maleficent –Sleeping Beauty
Macbeth – Macbeth (1971)
MCP – Tron
Mongol Prince, The – The Thief of Bagdad
Roat – Wait Until Dark
Robespierre – Danton
Roy Batty – Blade Runner
'Tony' Camonte – Scarface (1932)

[monolith94]

Yeah, for a character to be a villain, there has to be a protagonist who actively fights him on the side of the good. I wouldn't call Norma Desmond or Aguirre villains, because they're clearly the protagonists. It's like saying Macbeth or Othello are villains, when they're in fact tragic heroes.
I'd agree with you on Othello, but not on Macbeth. Macbeth does have a hero who actively fights against him.

[Qrazy]

I'd agree with you on Othello, but not on Macbeth. Macbeth does have a hero who actively fights against him.

Banquo's son should have become next king, yay or nay?

[Ezee E]

Angel Eyes - The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Annie Wilkes - Misery
Anton Chigurh - No Country For Old Men
Bill the Butcher - Gangs of New York
Bill - Kill Bill
Darth Vader - Star Wars
Dr. Doom - Who Framed Roger Rabbit
HAL 9000 - 2001: A Space Odyssey
Jack Torrance - The Shining
Jesse James - The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Joker - The Dark Knight
John Doe - Seven
Legion - The Exorcist
Mola Ram - Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom
Norman Bates - Psycho
Nurse Ratched - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Ordell Robbie - Jackie Brown
Patrick Bateman - American Psycho
Stansfeld - Leon: The Professional
T-2000 - Terminator 2: Judgement Day

[Lucky]

The only original addition I really have off the top of my head is:

Maleficent - Sleeping Beauty

You guys have nailed most of the big ones, though.

[transmogrifier]

Do we have to go all Robert McKee and fret over textbook definitions?

Hi, welcome to Match-Cut, you're new here, aren't you?

[Qrazy]

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION

Portnov, the Nazi interrogator (The Ascent) - Anatoli Solonitsyn

[Watashi]

Agent Smith - The Matrix
Amon Goeth - Schindler's List
Bill the Butcher - Gangs of New York
Blue Meanie - Yellow Submarine
Bruno Anthony - Strangers on a Train
Captain James Hook - Hook
Captain Vidal - Pan's Labyrinth
Charlie Meadows - Barton Fink
Daniel Plainview - There Will Be Blood
Dr. Doom - Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Evelyn Ann Thompson - The Shape of Things
Frank - Once Upon a Time in the West
Khan - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Lady Kaede - Ran
Ratigan - The Great Mouse Detective
Roger 'Verbal' Kint - The Usual Suspects
Roy Batty - Blade Runner
Syndrome - The Incredibles
Tetsuo - Akira
John Doe - Se7en

[D_Davis]

Dammit.

I should switch something out for Khan.

That is a great pick, one I totally overlooked.

[Ezee E]

Evelyn Ann Thompson is a great freakin' pick too.

[Raiders]

Audrey II: Little Shop of Horrors
Blake, Jerry: The Stepfather
Booth, Frank: Blue Velvet
Cramer, Adam: The Intruder
Darth Vader: Star Wars
Frank: Once Upon a Time in the West
Fung Sheng Wu Chi: Master of the Flying Guillotine
HAL-9000: 2001: A Space Odyssey
Leatherface: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Maleficent: Sleeping Beauty
Mansley, Kent: The Iron Giant
Myers, Micheal: Halloween
Pied Piper: The Sweet Hereafter
Powell, Harry: The Night of the Hunter
Scratch: The Devil and Daniel Webster
Hot Fuzz:
Skinner, Simon
Syndrome: The Incredibles

[Sven]

I think your Hot Fuzz villain should be spoilered, Raiders, as it is a twist.

[soitgoes...]

Hans Beckert - M
Jaibo - Los Olvidados
Bruno Anthony - Stranger on a Train
Harry Powell - The Night of the Hunter
Truck Driver - Duel
Travis Bickle - Taxi Driver
Michael Myers - Halloween
Iwao Enokizu - Vengeance Is Mine
The Emperor - RotJ
Carter Burke - Aliens
Al Capone - The Untouchables
Hannibal Lector - Silence of the Lambs
Benny - Benny's Video
Archibald Cunningham - Rob Roy
John Doe - Se7en
Paul - Funny Games
George Bush - Fahrenheit 9/11
Mick Taylor - Wolf Creek

[Melville]

Frank Booth - Blue Velvet
Noah Cross - Chinatown
Chad - In the Company of Men
Amon Goeth - Schindler's List
Dr. Mabuse - The Testament of Dr. Mabuse
Harry Lime - The Third Man
Bill the Butcher - Gangs of New York
Darth Vader - Star Wars
Joker - The Mask of the Phantasm
Tetsuo - Akira
Hannibal Lector - Silence of the Lambs
Police Captain Hank Quinlan - Touch of Evil
Michael Corleone - Godfather Part II
Minnie Castevet - Rosemary's Baby

[balmakboor]

Amon Goeth - Schindler's List
Bill 'The Butcher' Cutting - Gangs of New York
Burke - Blow Out
Colonel Walter E. Kurtz - Apocalypse Now
Darth Vader - Star Wars
Freddy Krueger - A Nightmare on Elm Street
HAL 9000 - 2001: A Space Odyssey
Hannibal Lecter - The Silence of the Lambs
Henry F. Potter - It's a Wonderful Life
Joan Crawford - Mommie Dearest
Kommandant Bernsdorff - The 49th Parallel
Leatherface - The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Minnie and Roman Castevet - Rosemary's Baby
Mr. Blonde - Reservoir Dogs
Noah Cross - Chinatown
Phyllis Dietrichson - Double Indemnity
Robert E. Lee 'Bob' Ewell - To Kill a Mockingbird
Sgt. Tony Meserve - Casualties of War
Truck - Duel
Wicked Witch of the West - The Wizard of Oz

[soitgoes...]

Truck - Duel

I went with truck driver, but still good call.

[Raiders]

Adding:

Alby the Cruel, 9 Deaths of the Ninja

[origami_mustache]

pretty sure no one is more despicable than the fascist libertines in Salo

[Ezee E]

Need more voting!

[Spinal]

For your consideration ...

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[Mysterious Dude]

Yamazaki Asami - Audition
Norman Bates - Psycho
Captain Bligh (Charles Laughton) - Mutiny on the Bounty
Cesar & Ugolin - Jean de Florette
Chad - In the Company of Men
Christof (Ed Harris) - The Truman Show
Dr. Frank-N-Furter - The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Amon Goeth - Schindler's List
Sgt. Hartman (R. Lee Ermey) - Full Metal Jacket
Kakihara - Ichi the Killer
Bobby Kent (Nick Stahl) - Bully
Brother Lavin (Henry Czerny) - The Boys of St. Vincent
Don Logan (Ben Kingsley) - Sexy Beast
Waldo Lydecker (Clifton Webb) - Laura
Harry Powell - The Night of the Hunter
Hank Quinlan (Orson Welles) - Touch of Evil
Nurse Ratched - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Jack D. Ripper - Dr. Strangelove
Mrs. Robinson - The Graduate
Emma Small (Mercedes McCambridge) - Johnny Guitar

[balmakboor]

Need more voting!

Can we toss in some more? I had to throw a lot away.

[Ezee E]

Everyone may now add 10 extra villains.

For those who haven't voted, you get 30 villains.

PLEASE PUT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER

[Mysterious Dude]

Alex & Eric - Elephant
Arthur Burns (Danny Huston) - The Proposition
Mrs. Danvers - Rebecca
Adenoid Hynkel - The Great Dictator
Mrs. Iselin (Angela Lansbury) - The Manchurian Candidate
Count Orlok - Nosferatu
Paul - Funny Games
The Penguin - The Wrong Trousers
Carl Showalter (Steve Buscemi) - Fargo
The Terminator - The Terminator

[Ezee E]

Alex DeLarge - A Clockwork orange
Antonio Salieri - Amadeus
Carter Burke - Aliens
Daniel Plainview - There Will Be Blood
Death - The Seventh Seal
Emperor Palpatine - Return of the Jedi
Hitchhiker - The Hitcher (will correct name soon)
La Tenia - Irreversible
Liberty Valence - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
Lord of Darkness - Legend

[Russ]

Caligula - Caligula
Dr. Evil – Austin Powers
Dr. Phibes – The Abominable Dr. Phibes
Jaffar – The Thief of Bagdad (1940)
Hedley Lamarr – Blazing Saddles
Lester Long – Clay Pigeons
Mountain Man and Toothless Man - Deliverance
Warden Samuel Norton – The Shawshank Redemption
Rhoda Penmark – The Bad Seed
Matty Walker – Body Heat

[Ezee E]

Caligula - Caligula
Dr. Evil – Austin Powers
Dr. Phibes – The Abominable Dr. Phibes
Jaffar – The Thief of Bagdad (1940)
Hedley Lamarr – Blazing Saddles
Lester Long – Clay Pigeons
Mountain Man and Toothless Man - Deliverance
Warden Samuel Norton – The Shawshank Redemption
Rhoda Penmark – The Bad Seed
Matty Walker – Body Heat

Great one with Deliverance

[origami_mustache]

additional 10:

Police Captain Hank Quinlan - Touch of Evil
Scar - Lion King
John Doe - Seven
Tom Powers - The Public Enemy
Dr. Evil - Austin Powers
Gen. Jack D. Ripper - Dr. Strangelove
Alex DeLarge - A Clockwork Orange
Death - The Seventh Seal
Adenoid Hynkel - The Great Dictator
Jack Torrance - The Shining

[chrisnu]

Bill - Kill Bill
Alex DeLarge - A Clockwork Orange
John Doe - Seven
Don Logan - Sexy Beast
Barry Lyndon - Barry Lyndon
Daniel Plainview - There Will Be Blood
Jack D. Ripper - Dr. Strangelove
Alexander Sebastian - Notorious
Carl Showalter - Fargo
Jack Torrance - The Shining

[Ezee E]

I'll probably start the ballot on Monday.

[balmakboor]

Bill -- Kill Bill
The Black Knight - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Lord Bullingdon - Barry Lyndon
Mum - Dead Alive
Police Captain Hank Quinlan - Touch of Evil
Nurse Ratched - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Jack D. Ripper - Dr Strangelove
Mrs. Robinson - The Graduate
Scar - Lion King
Victor Ziegler - Eyes Wide Shut


The Villians of Barry Lyndon and Eyes Wide Shut are clearly "all the best people" and my two choices are their representatives.

[origami_mustache]

The Black Knight - Monty Python and the Holy Grail


LMAO good one

[Ezee E]

Consider this closed.